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Semblence
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Posted - 2006.06.18 00:43:00 -
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USA can still make the 2nd round, but it's an outside chance.
They need a 6 goal difference swing, that is, they need
to beat Ghana Italy to lose to the Czech's
and both to be 3-0 (or any combination adding up to 6 goals in their favour).
And that with half their first team banned. Well it's the World Cup, stranger things have happened. Best thing is it makes the games worth watching.
In Rooney news... turns out he was all healed up in about 5 days, the conspiracy theorists were right!
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Saiyar
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Posted - 2006.06.18 01:07:00 -
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Edited by: Saiyar on 18/06/2006 01:07:44
Originally by: Semblence USA can still make the 2nd round, but it's an outside chance.
They need a 6 goal difference swing, that is, they need
to beat Ghana Italy to lose to the Czech's
and both to be 3-0 (or any combination adding up to 6 goals in their favour).
Not quite if USa beat Ghana and Italy beats Cezchs the are thru no matter what the Gd.
And that with half their first team banned. Well it's the World Cup, stranger things have happened. Best thing is it makes the games worth watching.
In Rooney news... turns out he was all healed up in about 5 days, the conspiracy theorists were right!
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2006.06.18 01:13:00 -
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Tbh for the sake of other players out there, I'd be happy if US packed their bags. I mean some fotballers might even survive this World Cup
Learn to tackle guys
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Semblence
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Posted - 2006.06.18 01:47:00 -
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Pope's first yellow card was wrong, he got the ball. Otherwise the ref was well within his rights on both straight reds to Mastroeni and De Rossi.
Anyway I got the permutations wrong above, here's the right ones:
1) U.S. advances with win by 5 or more 2) U.S. advances with win and win by Italy 3) U.S. advances with win and win by Czech, if U.S goal difference is greater than Italy goal difference. 4) U.S. advances with win and tie in Italy/Czech game, if tie is a 0-0 tie or 1-1 tie and U.S. wins by 4.
Number 2 is interesting.
If the Italians' natural instinct is to go for the draw, they may end up second to Ghana, and facing Brazil in the next round. Anyway USA needs to beat a Ghana team who is also going for glory so the odds are against them but it's not as gloomy as I first thought for the USA.
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Epsilon 1
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Posted - 2006.06.18 02:58:00 -
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Originally by: Luc Boye Tbh for the sake of other players out there, I'd be happy if US packed their bags. I mean some fotballers might even survive this World Cup
Learn to tackle guys
They fit scramblers and WCS at the same time
Originally by: Steven Gerrard Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2006.06.18 06:14:00 -
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Originally by: Semblence Pope's first yellow card was wrong, he got the ball.
Learn the rules. Some tackles are illegal whether you get the ball or not. ________________________________________________
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2006.06.18 06:17:00 -
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Originally by: Semblence
2) U.S. advances with win and win by Italy Number 2 is interesting.
TBH what'd be most interesting of all is Italy-Czech republic being a draw. That would mean that the USA and Ghana both need to win, and a draw wouldn't do either of them any good. True, the USA win would have to be by four goals, but hey - what a game to watch that would be ________________________________________________
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Coahim Madden
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Posted - 2006.06.18 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: Coahim Madden on 18/06/2006 12:02:05 http://youtube.com/watch?v=1BFS2mdDUEA&search=Costa%20de%20Marfil
Love how he makes up a song with every goal. -------
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Stubnitz
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Posted - 2006.06.18 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Coahim Madden Edited by: Coahim Madden on 18/06/2006 12:02:05 http://youtube.com/watch?v=1BFS2mdDUEA&search=Costa%20de%20Marfil
Love how he makes up a song with every goal.
superb
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Hamshoe
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Posted - 2006.06.18 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Semblence Pope's first yellow card was wrong, he got the ball.
Learn the rules. Some tackles are illegal whether you get the ball or not.
Mastroeni's tackle on Pirlo was a yellow card at most, any other time. It was a bad call.
Which is part of the reason the game has taken so long to pick up in the US. Some nancy boy writhing on the ground squealing about how he could have been hurt, only to hop up and prance away laughing when the card comes out, invokes the same penalty as a deliberate elbow to the face that results in stitches. As part of our national mythos we don't like squealers. But it is part of the game, and I guess if the US is to compete effectively on the international level, that's a skill we'll have to pick up.
Soccer (and that's what it is here) also fits poorly between commercial breaks, and is thus unsuited to our national attention span. Nontheless, this country has such an embarrassment of riches and resources that we will doubtless become competative internationally, even in a game that over half the country isn't even aware is going on.
Maybe they'll teach proper tackling in drama school.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2006.06.18 15:08:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 18/06/2006 15:09:14
Originally by: Luc Boye Tbh for the sake of other players out there, I'd be happy if US packed their bags. I mean some fotballers might even survive this World Cup
Learn to tackle guys
It was only italians, jeez, they should get a card blanche and a small plaque for that performance, now they do have something to cry about.
Czech Republic winning while Ghana wins their game is the ideal scenario, buh-bye Italy.
Remind me about The Maze.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2006.06.18 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Hamshoe As part of our national mythos we don't like squealers.
You're squealing now, aren't you?
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Hamshoe
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Posted - 2006.06.18 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Luc Boye
Originally by: Hamshoe As part of our national mythos we don't like squealers.
You're squealing now, aren't you?
No. There's an old joke about three baseball umpires drinkning at a bar. The youngest umpire says "I call 'em like I see 'em" and downs his shot. The experienced umpire says "I call 'em like they are", and downs his shot. The veteran umpire says, "They ain't nothing till I call them something", and pushes the check down the bar. It was a yellow card and a bad call. All in one. Bad calls aren't shocking, they happen all the time. It's the absolute transparency of the melodrama that's off putting. I'd actually like to see the game take off in this country. Just explaining some of the reasons why it hasn't.
I note that you don't deny the importance of melodrama (someone around here described it as a player "dropping like they'd been shot by an elephant gun weilding sniper") in the game. It is an important part, if an embarrassing one. In American football, if there's a guy writhing around at midfield, it's because someone just broke his femur or put his eye out, not because someone tripped him. Even then they'll likely shoot him up and put him back in if it's a championship.
We prefer that our attention *****s have *******. Preferably enhanced.
But nonetheless the US is coming. It's been what, one generation since they game was played in this country by anyone except foreign exchange students and mouth breathing nerds? It's still considered a game for children for the most part, a way to get the kids in shape to play important sports like football and baseball. Not an absolute judgement there, just the way things are perceived.
But demographically, by the end of the next generation our population will have shifted to be comprised of people descended from areas with a much stronger soccer tradition. Unless our empire has it's decline in a rather precipitous manner, there's going to be an outrageous amount of resources available to people who will want to use them. As soon as cheerleaders start dating strikers instead of quarterbacks, the transformation will be complete.
Just be glad our equivalent Neds and Chavs don't care about the game. They are second to no one in ignorant violence.
Kicked in the head by a horse, what's your excuse? |
Hakuin
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Posted - 2006.06.18 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus Czech Republic winning while Ghana wins their game is the ideal scenario, buh-bye Italy.
Czech Republic is overrated.
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2006.06.18 18:20:00 -
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Brazil 2 - 0 Australia. Not an unexpected scoreline, but we put up a decent fight for about 80mins. ----------------------
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PKlavins
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Posted - 2006.06.18 18:53:00 -
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true :)
we only need to draw or win against croatia and we are thru :D :D :D (this is australia im talking about btw :P )
GO AUSSIE!!!!
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zyk0
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Posted - 2006.06.18 19:10:00 -
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Korea vs France Go Korea! ---------- All Me |
Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2006.06.18 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Hamshoe
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Semblence Pope's first yellow card was wrong, he got the ball.
Learn the rules. Some tackles are illegal whether you get the ball or not.
Mastroeni's tackle on Pirlo was a yellow card at most, any other time. It was a bad call.
Like I said ... LEARN THE RULES. That's exactly the tackle that FIFA spent hours upon hours telling all referees that they must, absolutely MUST, show a red card to. There are no excuses, ever, for leaving your feet and sliding in. ________________________________________________
"I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked." |
Che Villa
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Posted - 2006.06.18 21:15:00 -
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Edited by: Che Villa on 18/06/2006 21:15:48
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Like I said ... LEARN THE RULES.
From the Laws of the Game, Law 12 - Fouls and Misconduct:
"Sending-Off Offences A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off and shown the red card if he commits any of the following seven offences:
1. is guilty of serious foul play 2. is guilty of violent conduct 3. spits at an opponent or any other person 4. denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within his own penalty area) 5. denies an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the playerÆs goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick 6. uses offensive or insulting or abusive language and/or gestures 7. receives a second caution in the same match."
Only by the largest stretch of the imagination does Mastreoni deserve a redcard according to these rules.
Pope does b/c it was his second, and because is a apparently giant moron.
No question the Italian deserved one.
How about before you start telling people to 'LEARN THE RULES' you take a gander at them, eh? I suppose every single commentator on the sport, on radio and television knows less about football than you? Yeah right.
Anyways, I feel that if you put yourself in a position to allow one or two poor calls by an official to determine the outcome, you didn't do a very good job at playing the game. But I guess in the low scoring type sports officiating accuracy can have a much greater effect than in Basketball, American Football, and sometimes baseball.
Sure hope things work out for the US, but not having fate in your own hands is for the birds.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2006.06.18 22:50:00 -
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For the third time of asking....
LEARN THE RULES.
You think it doesn't deserve a sending off. FIFA think it does. FIFA decide what the rules are. I think you're wrong.
He lunged. Red card. End. Of. Discussion. ________________________________________________
"I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked." |
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Semblence
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Posted - 2006.06.18 23:57:00 -
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Yay! USA soccer fans have now joined the rest of the world, united in our dislike for the Italian national team, and arguing about the rules and the ref in lengthly post-match discussions.
That was just one match. The rest of us have sat through countless world cups of Italy grinding out 1-0 wins, diving, cheating, histrionics, playing boring, defensive football with overrated players that seldom produce the goods. This is a very good sign, building up a rivalry like that and waiting 4 years or more for revenge is what it's all about. (See, for example, England vs. Argentina.)
And yes Mastroeni should have gone for his tackle, it's basically serious foul play, and Fifa specifically said that refs should consider lunging for the ball and only getting the man, not the ball, as serious foul play. But Pope should not have got his first yellow. He got the ball, did not play the man and the ball, and came in from the side not from behind. It wasn't even a foul let alone a yellow card (unless I'm remembering the wrong tackle.)
And USA can still get through on a win by 5 goals regardless of the other results, so technically you're destiny is still in your hands.
Anyway, moving on.... Well done South Korea, great fans, France are boring and past it. Japan are out really unless some kind of miracle happens and they beat Brazil.
Will England and Sweden both start trying to lose their match if Ecuador beat Germany and top the group? Now that really would be controversial.
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Sarafi
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Posted - 2006.06.19 00:12:00 -
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I was thinking about that
Certainly be interesting to watch. |
Buraken v2
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Posted - 2006.06.19 00:20:00 -
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lol @ france
and thats all I have to say about their match earlier today.
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Mak'shar Karrde
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Posted - 2006.06.19 02:37:00 -
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Aww, lay off France. They should have had another goal but it was judged (wrongly) to not have crossed the line, even if the French players didn't seem to realise they'd been robbed at the time...
Still, I do admit to a small bout of laughter when the final whistle blew. Sometimes I just can't help myself. I blame Henry, it's hard to forget club team rivalries sometimes.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2006.06.19 05:41:00 -
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Stop nagging about the rules hmkay..referee always has the final word.
Oh, and well done by korea. If only australia had matched or beaten Brazil, 2-0 was highy undeserved.
Materialism: Whoever dies with the most ****, wins. |
Scots Crusader
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Posted - 2006.06.19 08:16:00 -
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Edited by: Scots Crusader on 19/06/2006 08:17:02
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Semblence Pope's first yellow card was wrong, he got the ball.
Learn the rules. Some tackles are illegal whether you get the ball or not.
You are correct there bud, but IMHO football is becoming a non-contact sport. Not so long ago a hard but fair tackle was allowed, it got the players and the fans going when the 2 "hard cases" of each team went in to a 50-50 tackle.
To me, it has removed a part of the game that was there for a reason. this was supposed to be a working class game at grass roots level, played by men after a hard weeks work, now the whole "macho" aspect is gone. There will be no more Souness's, no more Hunter's or Stilles, no Bremner's. This is a fact, sad, but a fact.
Back on to the cup itself, gratz to Ghana for a great result(and a great game). Well done Korea for never giving up(thier fans were awesome!!) And well done to the Aussies who put up a great showing against the Brasil team, 2-0 def flattered them and you did yourselves proud.
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O wad some power, the giftie gie us, To see oursels as ithers see us!
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Scots Crusader
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Posted - 2006.06.19 08:18:00 -
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Edit will not work. For Japan read Korea. -----------------------------------------------
O wad some power, the giftie gie us, To see oursels as ithers see us!
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Semblence
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Posted - 2006.06.19 22:47:00 -
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Got to worry about Korea now against Switzerland, assuming France beat Togo (whose team hasn't been paid, so are hardly going to be motivated), Swiss playing for the draw could see SK going out. I so want them to play Spain in the next round too!
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2006.06.19 23:13:00 -
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My bet on Spain is looking good now. They've done their usual trick of throwing in a stinker in the group phase - but normally they lose it, and go out. They've played a stinker and still won.
Don't want to waste your top-class performances when you don't need to. Save em for the semi-finals. ________________________________________________
"I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked." |
Semblence
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Posted - 2006.06.20 22:25:00 -
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You better hope Spain don't do their other usual trick of underachieving and going out early! There's a Spain vs South Korea rematch coming up too, with any luck, that will be good to watch.
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