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Gemma Wildfire
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.24 12:20:00 -
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Before I played this game I read stories of vast empty systems, regions where you could jump 10's of systems without seeing anyone. This intrigued me and reminded me of the feeling I often got back in the day playing Elite when you really did feel all alone in a vast universe.
I've been playing for a few months now and found this not to be the case, except for a few days over xmas when I was able to make some iskies exploring and hacking but apart from that New Eden feels like Tokoyo. People everywhere, whether in high, low or null. WH's are not much better.
Anyway this noob would love to see huge expanses of space made available. Double or triple the size of New Eden as it stands now. To be able to feel adrift in a vast cosmos would be awesome.
Perhaps, when subs were lower, it previously felt like this? Does New Eden feel crowded now to the old players? Other than WH space have CCP ever expanded the galaxy?
Stop standing so close to me :/
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ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers SpaceMonkey's Alliance
434
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Posted - 2014.03.24 12:24:00 -
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you have obviously never been into 0.0 space , there are ALOT of empty systems out there, high sec and low sec are usually well populated. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3352
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Posted - 2014.03.24 12:25:00 -
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Like the guy above said.
Get out of highsec. Preferably, go find a wormhole. Have fun. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-į Because free speech.-į
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
252
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Posted - 2014.03.24 12:35:00 -
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There are highsec islands and out of the way HS areas that have between 1-10 people in them. You can easily be the only person in lowsec and nullsec. The game is plenty big if you want to find a quiet spot.
What you say it doesn't make sense.
If you'd like to see my reasoning, I refer you to the wookie defense: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwdba9C2G14
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Jessica Duranin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2014.03.24 12:40:00 -
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There is a LOT of empty space. Yesterday we rolled our static for 4 hours and the only person we found was some dude harvesting gas in his venture. Bob hates us. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1911
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Posted - 2014.03.24 12:47:00 -
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Gemma Wildfire wrote:Before I played this game I read stories of vast empty systems, regions where you could jump 10's of systems without seeing anyone. This intrigued me and reminded me of the feeling I often got back in the day playing Elite when you really did feel all alone in a vast universe.
I've been playing for a few months now and found this not to be the case, except for a few days over xmas when I was able to make some iskies exploring and hacking but apart from that New Eden feels like Tokoyo. People everywhere, whether in high, low or null. WH's are not much better.
Anyway this noob would love to see huge expanses of space made available. Double or triple the size of New Eden as it stands now. To be able to feel adrift in a vast cosmos would be awesome.
Perhaps, when subs were lower, it previously felt like this? Does New Eden feel crowded now to the old players? Other than WH space have CCP ever expanded the galaxy?
Stop standing so close to me :/
Its actually vast. In fact if it was possible to put every player subscribed into one system, equally spaced, with the old duel mwd thing doing 50k mps they wouldn't find other players for years using subwarp speeds.
What removes that feeling of vastness are the limited areas of interaction, the pointlessness of going to them (whens the last time you flew to a moon to see what was there?), the speed of travel vs the size of space and the trivial speed of scanning.
EvE is a fine wine that for some reason is served in paper cups basically. It had / has the potential to be great, but its currently being used as a space versioned Quake or Call of Duty.
Our only hope is it caves when SC comes out fully and someone buys it up realising its potential. Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -į Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467 |
Herbinator d'Arcadie
Arkadian Knight
59
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Posted - 2014.03.24 13:11:00 -
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Gemma Wildfire wrote:... Anyway this noob would love to see huge expanses of space made available. Double or triple the size of New Eden as it stands now. To be able to feel adrift in a vast cosmos would be awesome. ... Eve is very, very small.
As in a land-rush, it has all been staked out, carved up and fortified. To gain access to said open spaces all one has to do is become a soldier in one alliance or another.
A blog called this Conehead play style.
I much prefer your thinking, referring to a broadly expansive, alluring Eve Universe.
Oscillate all EVE systems (-1.0-įthrough 1.0, and back) over a ten year period; modified +/- by # of pod kills. Disentrench the older players! Improve game dynamic.
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Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
1046
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Posted - 2014.03.24 13:17:00 -
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"Nobody goes there anymore because it's too crowded." - Yogi Berra |
Grunanca
Doughboys Shadow Cartel
180
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Posted - 2014.03.24 13:20:00 -
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To answer OP:
High sec and low sec is extremely populated compared to back when I started. Remember living out of Rens and not having to go more than 2 jumps to be in empty high sec systems.
Low sec is actually less populated than I remember it... That is if you count the RMT armies living out of Ingunn for a few years. Lived next door to them and once manged to get no less than 200 hauler kills in an hour which ended in 45 mission ravens all called sdfgasifk, iasghfjh, asdfkuh etc. warping in to kill my lonely sleipnir. If you dont count them, you were lucky to find a ship or 2 piloted by real players. Then FW hit, and since, low sec has been very populated.
I got almost no experience with 0.0, but remember having a pos somewhere once. Managed to keep it alive alone, using a wreathe to fuel it 11 jumps into 0.0. (yeah, we have all been nubs once with too much time). Anyway, back then I only lost 2 loads of fuel in 3 months og running a pos. Now (in my limited experience) you can barely enter 0.0 without running into a camp. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
501
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Posted - 2014.03.24 13:26:00 -
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Lowsec on the southern side of the map tends to be somewhat empty most of the time.
The lowsec systems with people are generally factionwar systems, systems one jump from highsec, islands used as cyno systems by JFs or the systems with NPC stations. Everything else tends to be empty.
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Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1758
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Posted - 2014.03.24 13:30:00 -
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0.5/10
Go to nullsec, its almost completely empty! New player experience, more highsec PvE missions, casual play, balance, counters to AFK cloaking, expanding the NEX store, and Power Projection.
Azami Nevinyrall for CSM9! |
Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2336
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Posted - 2014.03.24 13:32:00 -
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OP, there are plenty of sparsely populated areas. You're just not looking hard enough for them.
Infinity Ziona wrote: What removes that feeling of vastness are the limited areas of interaction, the pointlessness of going to them (whens the last time you flew to a moon to see what was there?), the speed of travel vs the size of space and the trivial speed of scanning.
A few days ago?
Quote:EvE is a fine wine that for some reason is served in paper cups basically. It had / has the potential to be great, but its currently being used as a space versioned Quake or Call of Duty.
Garden-variety, aimless bitervet whining. You live in AUS Tz of all places, its even less populated then. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
SKINE DMZ
Stay Frosty.
338
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Posted - 2014.03.24 13:38:00 -
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Gemma Wildfire wrote: People everywhere, whether in high, low or null. WH's are not much better. I think you're lying, if you've been out of highsec you would of known that not be true. I disagree |
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
182
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Posted - 2014.03.24 13:44:00 -
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Imagine if there was a way to fly our ships "in-between" solar systems !!! |
Shadowlightt
Apex Innovations
61
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Posted - 2014.03.24 13:47:00 -
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Think of it this way
Caldari space is los angeles
Gallente space is chicago
Amarr space is london
Minmatar space is detroit
Null sec is the middle east
Low sec is somalia
Wormhoe space is hawaii |
Bael Malefic
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2014.03.24 14:00:00 -
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I recently took a little wormhole-roam deep into null on the eastern edge of the map. We could not find a single pilot to shoot at for 6 jumps in any direction from where we came out of the hole.
It was so empty and so dead we went back to the hole and went home.
Just look at the starmap. Most null systems are empty, most of the time. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
492
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Posted - 2014.03.24 14:19:00 -
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ITTigerClawIK wrote:you have obviously never been into 0.0 space , there are ALOT of empty systems out there, high sec and low sec are usually well populated.
Yes this is what 0.0 usually is like. |
Sibyyl
292
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Posted - 2014.03.24 14:21:00 -
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Like Bael Malefic said, figure out how to look at population per system on the starmap. OP sounds like they came to a conclusion without really trying to play the game.
/F’” Now that you are *campers* you will have more *parties* and no more *sad* *lonely* *bubbles*. |
Talia Prime
Imperial Militia
5
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Posted - 2014.03.24 14:23:00 -
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I've been roaming null and have easily done 10 jumps without seeing anyone. You need to leave hisec. |
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
934
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Posted - 2014.03.24 15:27:00 -
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EVE being a game where the majority of content is created by players, why would you want to play it in empty places? You would have nothing to do but PVE by yourself, and we all know where that road ends.
The more players around, the better. www.everevolutionaryfront.com
Psychotic Monk for CSM9 |
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
417
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Posted - 2014.03.24 15:30:00 -
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Talia Prime wrote:I've been roaming null and have easily done 10 jumps without seeing anyone. You need to leave hisec.
Its only this way because passive income in NS allows groups to project further then they would otherwise be capable of doing. If entities like CFC were forced to play to their realistic wallet size then you wouldn't be able to have this luxury as more pilots would have to be in space playing the game, instead of sitting docked up waiting on a jabber ping to blob timer, and have their ships replaced if they lose them.
Get rid of the passive income streams from moons and planets and you will see the nullbears come out of hibernation. Only reason null is empty is because the majority of players in null don't need to grind isk to replace lost ships. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
273
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Posted - 2014.03.24 15:59:00 -
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Hell I recently moved an alt from jita through 15 0.0 systems to get to my wh entrance. Besides the first system which was hed-gp and semi camped (had 5 people on the gate) the other 14 systems were completely empty. 0.0 has huge sections of space with not a soul in them. It makes me wonder why large alliances hold space they never use, but I digress. Eve is like the real world, you have your major cities full of people, then you have your rural areas that are empty or sparsely populated. Get out of HS, the further you get away from the hubs the less people are around |
Hal Morsh
The Witch's Hammer
98
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Posted - 2014.03.24 16:40:00 -
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Grunanca wrote: That is if you count the RMT armies living out of Ingunn for a few years. Lived next door to them and once manged to get no less than 200 hauler kills in an hour which ended in 45 mission ravens all called sdfgasifk, iasghfjh, asdfkuh etc. warping in to kill my lonely sleipnir.
This is a story I am sure the forums would love to hear. I enjoy a good session of mining. |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
2292
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Posted - 2014.03.24 16:53:00 -
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No it's not.
New Eden isn't too small, players just prefer to congregate around certain areas. Even then, it's not that crowded. Go into deep null and you can go hours without seeing another ship or even another player in local. Even some places in highsec have fewer than ten people in the system.
Now with that said, is players congregating in just a handful of areas a problem in the game and can it be fixed? Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
1135
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Posted - 2014.03.24 17:24:00 -
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"I've been playing for a few months now "
2/10, You seriously want people to believe that you've seen the entire game in a few months?
And clearly you've never been to most areas of 0.0, or low-sec for that matter.
CCP: "We know what's best for the game, so you can't have any options....." |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
844
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Posted - 2014.03.24 17:39:00 -
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Grunanca wrote:To answer OP:
High sec and low sec is extremely populated compared to back when I started. Remember living out of Rens and not having to go more than 2 jumps to be in empty high sec systems.
Low sec is actually less populated than I remember it... That is if you count the RMT armies living out of Ingunn for a few years. Lived next door to them and once manged to get no less than 200 hauler kills in an hour which ended in 45 mission ravens all called sdfgasifk, iasghfjh, asdfkuh etc. warping in to kill my lonely sleipnir. If you dont count them, you were lucky to find a ship or 2 piloted by real players. Then FW hit, and since, low sec has been very populated.
I got almost no experience with 0.0, but remember having a pos somewhere once. Managed to keep it alive alone, using a wreathe to fuel it 11 jumps into 0.0. (yeah, we have all been nubs once with too much time). Anyway, back then I only lost 2 loads of fuel in 3 months og running a pos. Now (in my limited experience) you can barely enter 0.0 without running into a camp.
The common entry systems are camped. Once in you can fly dozens of jumps and rarely see anyone in local and nothing on dscan. I ran 2 pith penals in someone elses space at the weekend in 1 system. It was a station system and in all that time no one else entered local. Much of null is empty and most of the people you do see are more scared of you than you are of them. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
219
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Posted - 2014.03.24 17:46:00 -
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Gemma Wildfire wrote:Before I played this game I read stories of vast empty systems, regions where you could jump 10's of systems without seeing anyone. This intrigued me and reminded me of the feeling I often got back in the day playing Elite when you really did feel all alone in a vast universe.
I've been playing for a few months now and found this not to be the case, except for a few days over xmas when I was able to make some iskies exploring and hacking but apart from that New Eden feels like Tokoyo. People everywhere, whether in high, low or null. WH's are not much better.
Anyway this noob would love to see huge expanses of space made available. Double or triple the size of New Eden as it stands now. To be able to feel adrift in a vast cosmos would be awesome.
Perhaps, when subs were lower, it previously felt like this? Does New Eden feel crowded now to the old players? Other than WH space have CCP ever expanded the galaxy?
Stop standing so close to me :/
As I said before, rumor is that much of Delve region is empty. Aside from that I would still prefer the number of systems to quadruple, at least. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
557
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Posted - 2014.03.24 17:49:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Like the guy above said.
Get out of highsec. Preferably, go find a wormhole. Have fun.
I can't remember the last time I saw a WH that was without an online tower inside it and POCOs over the planets. And I can't remember the last time I poked my head though a nullsec WH and there was nobody in local, or it wasn't "owned" by some alliance or other.
Every single system in Eve is populated in some respect or another. |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
220
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Posted - 2014.03.24 18:05:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Like the guy above said.
Get out of highsec. Preferably, go find a wormhole. Have fun. I can't remember the last time I saw a WH that was without an online tower inside it and POCOs over the planets. And I can't remember the last time I poked my head though a nullsec WH and there was nobody in local, or it wasn't "owned" by some alliance or other. Every single system in Eve is populated in some respect or another.
I agree with your WH assertion. Every time I poke into a WH just to look around I see online POSs inside or ships right on the hole I just came in. I have never seen an empty WH. |
Serene Repose
1164
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Posted - 2014.03.24 19:24:00 -
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If nobody wants to go into null sec, we can't stop them. - Yogi Berra(ish) - I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-į |
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