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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2014.02.20 18:41:00 -
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http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/caldari-navy-announces-octopus-squadron-courts-martial/
Echelon Entertainment Breaking News wrote:PERIMETER GÇô The Caldari Navy have confirmed the arrest of Wing Commander Sami Okuuda this afternoon, after several rumors began to circulate regarding his whereabouts.
Placed on administrative leave after the failure of Operation Spectre in November YC115, in which hundreds of Caldari loyal capsuleers suffered extensive combat losses, Okuuda was also involved in the failed defence of the Leviathan-class titan CN Shiigeru, which was destroyed in March last year during Operation Highlander.
At the same time, the Caldari Navy also confirmed the arrest and replacement of all eight of the 37th GÇ£OctopusGÇ¥ SquadronGÇÖs non-commissioned officers, and that court-martials for a total of more than fifty senior service personnel would be forthcoming within seven days. These are in relation to failures of command during the administration of the Caldari Providence Directorate, and both Operation Highlander and Operation Spectre.
A well-known State Patriot and active supporter of the Caldari Providence Directorate, Wing Commander Okuuda was second-in-command during Operation Highlander, the battle that resulted in the largest and most expensive defeat the Caldari armed forces have faced in over a century.
Several members of the interstellar press were reported to have been forcibly removed from the Okuuda familyGÇÖs estate on New Caldari Prime by the Lai Dai Protection Service, following the refusal of OkuudaGÇÖs son, an officer with the security megacorporation, to comment on his fatherGÇÖs arrest.
The Caldari Navy also declined to comment further when asked to confirm rumours that Okuuda may face charges relating to the death of former Caldari Navy Admiral Visera Yanala.
This is how failures in the Navy should be handled - from the top down. I'm glad to see the Navy is looking into it, and hope for our sake that whatever problems existed can be corrected. Lets see the 37th return to its days of glory as one of the most decorated and celebrated squadrons in the Navy. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3266
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Posted - 2014.02.20 18:59:00 -
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Wing Commander Okuuda is certainly vulnerable to charges regarding some of his decisions and statements over the last few years, but I hope he won't be the official scapegoat for the destruction of the Shiigeru.
Anyone who was there knows that Admiral Yanala's orders to have the Shiigeru in close orbit prevented her from withdrawing her when attacked and that the Navy simply did not commit the forces required to stave off the attack made by the Federation. Indeed, military experts have long held that the only thing preventing the Shiigeru's destruction was the cost of encompassing it - once the Federal Navy decided to accept that, it was a foregone conclusion.
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Gosakumori Noh
Seraglio Hastatus Hagia Sophia
516
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Posted - 2014.02.20 19:05:00 -
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Why would a wing commander face charges regarding the heroic Admiral's death? |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3266
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Posted - 2014.02.20 19:09:00 -
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Because the Admiral's final death was caused not by our enemies but 'inhouse' by elements within the Caldari State itself. Heth was strongly suspected - indeed admitted as much in one of his last public speeches. Is the CEP saying WCdr Okuuda shared in that infamous crime?
If so, I hope he shares Heth's fate. |
Gosakumori Noh
Seraglio Hastatus Hagia Sophia
516
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Posted - 2014.02.20 19:22:00 -
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The Admiral's fate appeared to have been decided at a higher level than that occupied by a wing commander (which is not meant to diminish said function). It seems unlikely (though not flat out impossible) that any part he played could represent a crime.
Granted, the victors of any particular day get to define "treason."
Also Granted, Amarr executes commanders "just because." |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
516
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Posted - 2014.02.20 19:28:00 -
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It's good to see the State takes it's responsibility concerning Operation Spectre, where the 4 nations navies failed severely to organize a proper attack on the pirate installations in Null. Perhaps this will poke the others to bring their responsible commanders to trial for answers. A failed rescue... Shiigeru wreckage site will be salvaged & cleared in a joint Gallente/Caldari operation |
Sadie Veerin
Harrier Cascade
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Posted - 2014.02.20 21:23:00 -
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Excellent news. Those deemed complicit in command failure should be dealt with swiftly and efficiently. "A selection of values, a more amply developed sense of individual responsibility that is beholden to the community and not to oneself. Peoples are passionately bound to their native soil, culture, and traditions. Only through the elevation of ourselves as a whole may these things be maintained." -á- Jace Sarice |
Vulxanis Viceroy
Xiadii Family Holdings
35
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Posted - 2014.02.20 22:23:00 -
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I commend the Caldari Navy in their taking this so seriously. It is an admirable reflection of their dedication to efficiency and security.
My only reservation is that I hope they do not proceed in haste. I caution them to assure that without a shadow of a doubt those guilty are the ones being charged.
But once they are proven as the culprits, may they gain the full wrath of the law. Fide et honore.
(OOC note: proper form of address is Lord Draconis. Not anything with "Viceroy". Seriously, read my bio - https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Vulxanis_Viceroy#Extended_Bio)-á((Twitter @VulxanisViceroy)) |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
893
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Posted - 2014.02.20 23:59:00 -
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Let the tribunal to decide, whether Cmdr. Okuda was guilty or not.
Until that happens, I would like to ask you to respect Commander according to his rank and position. If you have something to say about his guilt or innocence - do it in the tribunal.
I would like to remind you, that those, who are really guilt in CN Shiigeru - the gallentean senate and their top commanding officers up to and including their president, are still not arrested. |
Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative
205
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Posted - 2014.02.21 00:12:00 -
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I'm glad to see that the ideal of responsibility for ones actions still holds true. |
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
893
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Posted - 2014.02.21 00:21:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote: If so, I hope he shares Heth's fate.
Heth-haan has died heroically during Sansha incursion.
Unfortunately, officers under investigation are deprived of this privilege. The only way of getting out of custody before tribunal in honorable way, is following footsteps of Admiral Yanala. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3267
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Posted - 2014.02.21 00:45:00 -
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I would be quite happy to ship him somewhere where Nation could make it possible.
If, as I said, he was complicit. |
Gosakumori Noh
Seraglio Hastatus Hagia Sophia
517
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Posted - 2014.02.21 00:52:00 -
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I would hesitate to declare definitively that the Executor has perished. Simply killing him does not seem consistent with Master Kuvakei's profile. I would also hesitate to declare him irrecoverable, by whatever definition deemed suitable. |
Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
442
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Posted - 2014.02.21 00:58:00 -
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I agree with Ms. Noh. Many are quick to write him off as deceased but I doubt this is true regarding the circumstances of his disappearance.
Regarding the OP, I don't see this as solving anything. But if the people want a scapegoat then I suppose they shall have one.
-Eran |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
893
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Posted - 2014.02.21 01:22:00 -
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Gosakumori Noh wrote:I would hesitate to declare definitively that the Executor has perished. Simply killing him does not seem consistent with Master Kuvakei's profile. I would also hesitate to declare him irrecoverable, by whatever definition deemed suitable. Lady Noh, Tibus Heth was Caldari Executor, Officer and Citizen. Even if Kuvakei planned to capture him alive, he would fight sansha to the death. And if it would be impossible, he would kill himself to prevent valuable information about the State getting into dirty toaster's hands. |
Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
442
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Posted - 2014.02.21 01:40:00 -
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Are you familiar with Sansha's methods? Don't say it's impossible unless you actually know what you're talking about.
-Eran |
Gosakumori Noh
Seraglio Hastatus Hagia Sophia
517
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Posted - 2014.02.21 01:58:00 -
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Given his nature, I have no doubt that the Executor fought ferociously against the boarding party. But Diana, darling - and I don't mean to be argumentative - do keep in mind that Sansha Kuvakei possesses that same Caldari ferocity.
It is difficult to say which will prevail in any particular encounter: irresistible force or unmovable object. |
Apollo Lyserius
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.21 02:45:00 -
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I can't help but admire the celerity of such actions. However, I do expect, just like the fellow above, that human rights and rule of law are top concerns of Caldari courts, and not just blind penal punitivism.
Also... Heth's dead? How perfectly wond-...dreadful.
(I was in wormhole space for some time. Quite some time.) |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1487
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Posted - 2014.02.21 08:55:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Let the tribunal to decide, whether Cmdr. Okuda was guilty or not.
Until that happens, I would like to ask you to respect Commander according to his rank and position. If you have something to say about his guilt or innocence - do it in the tribunal.
I would like to remind you, that those, who are really guilt in CN Shiigeru - the gallentean senate and their top commanding officers up to and including their president, are still not arrested.
You forgot about some the Fed loyalists and possibly some of the "Cladari loyalists". |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3169
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Posted - 2014.02.21 15:10:00 -
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Gosakumori Noh wrote:Given his nature, I have no doubt that the Executor fought ferociously against the boarding party. But Diana, darling - and I don't mean to be argumentative - do keep in mind that Sansha Kuvakei possesses that same Caldari ferocity.
It is difficult to say which will prevail in any particular encounter: irresistible force or unmovable object.
Pretty sure I'd put my money on Kuvakei to win that one. Heth may have been a charismatic and forceful personality, but that's no match for Kuvakei's intellect, cunning and platoons of cybernetically superhuman true-slave commandoes.
As for Okuuda and the 37th, we shall just have to wait and see what the courts decide. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
517
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Posted - 2014.02.21 15:26:00 -
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I published a report on this arrest, with a focus on explaining Operation Spectre, Operation Highlander and a small highlight on the Caldari Providence Directorate (CPD).
While I'm sure quite some know what the terms stand for, some refreshing doesn't hurt. It also helps for others to get quickly up-to-date on what it is all about.
Caldary Navy arrests Wing Commander Okuuda! -> What is Operation Spectre? - What is Operation Highlander?
From what I can deduct, it seems the main reason for the arrests is perceived incompetence during the two major Operations. As people in the State are promoted based on merit/competence, it should come as no suprise that if you are incompetent for your position, you will face the consequences of your actions. Caldary Navy arrests Wing-áCommander Okuuda! Shiigeru wreckage site will be salvaged & cleared in a joint Gallente/Caldari operation |
Skilfer Azizora
Nova Corps Marines Group Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
16
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Posted - 2014.02.21 16:04:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Gosakumori Noh wrote:I would hesitate to declare definitively that the Executor has perished. Simply killing him does not seem consistent with Master Kuvakei's profile. I would also hesitate to declare him irrecoverable, by whatever definition deemed suitable. Lady Noh, Tibus Heth was Caldari Executor, Officer and Citizen. Even if Kuvakei planned to capture him alive, he would fight sansha to the death. And if it would be impossible, he would kill himself to prevent valuable information about the State getting into dirty toaster's hands.
I completely agree Kim-haan. While I disagreed with many of the former Executor's actions and policies, he was Caldari through and through. Everything he did was what he honestly believed was the best course of action for a better State. Being as strong and resilient of man that he is, it is likely he would be caring a suicide agent at all times, in the event that capture be even a remote possibility. Despite the hate he receives, he would unquestionably give his life for the State, even in exile.
That being said, the only reason the Nation would have to capture such a strong-willed individual would be, and this is pure speculation, Kuvakei is actually dead and the Nation can no longer operate solely on the remnants of his consciousness. After Sansha reconditioning and processing, I believe the former Executor would provide the proper intellect, force of will, and strength of presence for the Nation to view him as a fitting successor to Kuvakei and lead them. |
Cuci Cairi
71
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Posted - 2014.02.21 16:13:00 -
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Skilfer Azizora wrote: I completely agree Kim-haan. While I disagreed with many of the former Executor's actions and policies, he was Caldari through and through. Everything he did was what he honestly believed was the best course of action for a better State. Being as strong and resilient of man that he is, it is likely he would be caring a suicide agent at all times, in the event that capture be even a remote possibility. Despite the hate he receives, he would unquestionably give his life for the State, even in exile.
That being said, the only reason the Nation would have to capture such a strong-willed individual would be, and this is pure speculation, Kuvakei is actually dead and the Nation can no longer operate solely on the remnants of his consciousness. After Sansha reconditioning and processing, I believe the former Executor would provide the proper intellect, force of will, and strength of presence for the Nation to view him as a fitting successor to Kuvakei and lead them.
He wasn't known for being the sharpest person around, it seems unlikely that he would be sought out to lead a consciousness. Though, I suppose it would be good for us if he was - it would simply weaken the Sansha further. I am the waterfall in your head. |
Skilfer Azizora
Nova Corps Marines Group Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
17
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:18:00 -
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Cuci Cairi wrote:Skilfer Azizora wrote: I completely agree Kim-haan. While I disagreed with many of the former Executor's actions and policies, he was Caldari through and through. Everything he did was what he honestly believed was the best course of action for a better State. Being as strong and resilient of man that he is, it is likely he would be caring a suicide agent at all times, in the event that capture be even a remote possibility. Despite the hate he receives, he would unquestionably give his life for the State, even in exile.
That being said, the only reason the Nation would have to capture such a strong-willed individual would be, and this is pure speculation, Kuvakei is actually dead and the Nation can no longer operate solely on the remnants of his consciousness. After Sansha reconditioning and processing, I believe the former Executor would provide the proper intellect, force of will, and strength of presence for the Nation to view him as a fitting successor to Kuvakei and lead them.
He wasn't known for being the sharpest person around, it seems unlikely that he would be sought out to lead a consciousness. Though, I suppose it would be good for us if he was - it would simply weaken the Sansha further.
I'm not so sure about that. The former Executor did not get to where he was by being stupid or strategically inept. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3171
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:50:00 -
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No, he got where he was because a cabal of anonymous investors purchased Caldari Constructions wholesale when its stock hit rock bottom, ousted the existing board and installed Tibus Heth as CEO without explanation, or indeed comment.
His actual activity from then on in was decidedly unsubtle and short-sighted. He wielded his popular support like a hammer in all situations rather than employing more finessed tools such as realpolitik, and continued to swing that hammer long after his support had dwindled to a dying ember of its former self. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Gosakumori Noh
Seraglio Hastatus Hagia Sophia
520
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Posted - 2014.02.21 18:06:00 -
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If the Executor was useful to one cabal, he may well have been perceived as useful by another.
I respect both the Executor and Master Kuvakei for their drive and capacity to achieve results, and would simply reiterate that it is premature to declare either conclusively dead.
I am a bit mystified by the Executor's escape route, however. I would have made a break for Taisy, myself. |
Ollie Rundle
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
147
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Posted - 2014.02.22 10:38:00 -
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Beyond the circumstantial, there's precious little hard evidence that Nation was responsible for the destruction of the fleet Heth was said to be travelling with after fleeing Haatomo. There's very little unequivocal support for the notion that Heth was even in the fleet when it was destroyed.
That said - and to satisfy my own morbid curiosity for these kinds of things - as the Wing Commander of a fleet with wide jurisdiction within (and even at times beyond) the State's borders can anyone recall if Sami Okuuda or any significant part of the 37th were committed to the search for Heth or the eventual discovery and rapid salvage of the wreckage reportedly located in Aivonen last year? O. Rundle The Synenose Accord Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4367
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Posted - 2014.02.24 17:58:00 -
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Given the different worlds inhabited my military commanders and those who tell them what to do from the safety of an office, the best we can hope for, and should pressure the state with any influence we have, is for a fair trial.
We should well be aware by now of the vertical command structure under the provists and the murky demise of Adm Yanala afterwards, and Spectre was a disaster of such proportions that the state is going to be hard pressed to blame so few people while not seeing beyond the scope of who they have the power to charge; that it was so bad you have a lot of blame to spread around.
Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3268
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Posted - 2014.02.24 19:25:00 -
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Ollie Rundle wrote:Beyond the circumstantial, there's precious little hard evidence that Nation was responsible for the destruction of the fleet Heth was said to be travelling with after fleeing Haatomo. There's very little unequivocal support for the notion that Heth was even in the fleet when it was destroyed.
That said - and to satisfy my own morbid curiosity for these kinds of things - as the Wing Commander of a fleet with wide jurisdiction within (and even at times beyond) the State's borders can anyone recall if Sami Okuuda or any significant part of the 37th were committed to the search for Heth or the eventual discovery and rapid salvage of the wreckage reportedly located in Aivonen last year?
Given the Commander's strong ties to the CPD, I imagine he was kept far away from that assignment until after his loyalty had been established. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
896
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Posted - 2014.02.24 20:20:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:No, he got where he was because a cabal of anonymous investors purchased Caldari Constructions wholesale when its stock hit rock bottom, ousted the existing board and installed Tibus Heth as CEO without explanation, or indeed comment. Tibus Heth was real patriot and was born as a leader. There is no explanation really needed. He was destined to rule the State and lift gallentean occupation from our homeworld!
Stitcher wrote: Let's please not credit the man who sent a Provist agent into a courtroom waving a "cease and desist" order with shrewdness.
You, Mr. Stitcher, need further lessons, if you want to try to understand, what does it mean to be Caldari. Feel free to visit me, when you will be ready to continue your education, and, maybe, someday you will earn yourself right to call yourself Caldari. Not now, unfortunately. |
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