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Freedom Munition
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.14 07:59:00 -
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How does the eve storyline explain the existence of other life on planets? I see humans are the only known intelligent life within our dimension in the story. I find it interesting that we don't have confirmed contact with extraterrestrials within eve, yet we may have intelligent animal life and trillions of different species and micro organisms that have no lore in the universe.
Why is EvE so pro human, we can't have alien races? |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1082
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Posted - 2014.02.14 08:01:00 -
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Because EVE is about what it means to be Human. Aliens serve typically as a mirror of a certain aspect of humanity, so provide a poor sounding board for that. |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.14 08:09:00 -
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It's fiction so the answer can be "sentient life is pretty rare and humanity is special" and you'd have to take it.
Jovians are basically non-human, and if on the other side of the eve-gate similar things are/were going on with uninterrupted technological advancement (reminder Eve is post-apocalyptic and probably forever cut off from the milky way)
Humanity as we'd be comfortable with, back on earth or whatever the center of human politics is, could be quite alien many times over, if we take Jove to be an indicator of what uninterrupted technological advancement would eventually do to the species.
Anyway independently developed foreign aliens don't exist in any large degree in the eve universe obviously so whatever explanation will obviously have to deal along those lines. |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
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Posted - 2014.02.14 08:11:00 -
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Gameplaywise: a human centric universe provides alot better interaction & immersion. Aliens usually only serve to distract from issues or allow you to hide behind *But he's alien, it's how he does it!* No such thing when you play humans. It's part of what makes EvE so gritty and dark, that all of the actions in the game are committed by humans.
There are alien races in EvE, btu they're not sentient. Fedos are the best known example. The Slaver hounds are another (no dogs, alien hounds! )
For non-human sentient beings, we got the Rogue drones (created by us humans!) and the mysterious Sleepers (they were built by humans/were humans at some point)
Honestly, I hope sentient alien life will never make it's way into EvE, it would ruin what makes this game so unique. First immigrant arrives for the Ayem Colony project! Shiigeru wreckage site will be salvaged & cleared in a joint Gallente/Caldari operation |
Jove Death
Very Insignificant
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Posted - 2014.02.14 08:12:00 -
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Ok we like took over the planets in EvE thousands of years ago.
We did the normal thing all humans do
Kill all foreign animals and make them like a DoDo
Anyway CCP Falcon is a alien isnt he?
And I havent a clue what GM Nova is Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek. CCP Huggin and Grimmi thanks a bunch for your typical information of nowt. Damm you CCP for making me re-sub-á |
Weylin Ormand
Mining Bay inc Beacon Light Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.14 08:14:00 -
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To borrow from the History channel meme: "Sleepers". I mine so you can have the fuel to run your POS.
Have you thanked a miner today? |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2014.02.14 08:36:00 -
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The chronicles discuss the Fedo, Slavers, the Furrier and the Hanging Long Limb.
The Hanging Long Limb is described as being one species in the family of Long Limbs, so there are clearly others.
None of those are really described as sentient though, so I would assume that whatever sentient creatures did exist when humans arrived, we nation built them into extinction. |
Chinwe Rhei
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.14 08:45:00 -
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I'm not sure what needs explaining, one thing is that much of the life on EvE's planets must be descendant from earth life (since the initial colonists engaged in teraforming), and whatever else there is evolved independently here.
As for real life explanation, it's unlikely that the evolution of life directly leads to sentience and civilization, because on our own planet intelligent animals other than humans generally have very low numbers and don't really dominate their enviroement (look at the great apes), and also there were a dozen other homo species which were quite smart and they all went extinct - we barely made it ourselves.
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Douglas Nolm
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.14 08:49:00 -
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I'm just a newbie here, but I hope we don't see alien races in Eve. Once they appear it wouldn't take long for players demanding the ability to play those races, along with special alien attributes and all that entails. It wouldn't take long before Eve became WoW in space! Ok, call me a cynic, but I can't help it! |
Irya Boone
TIPIAKS
340
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Posted - 2014.02.14 09:00:00 -
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need female aliens with 3 Bo0bs !! RENAME null sec systems With the name of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It will be awesome. Need Black Ops be able to FIT cover ops cloaking device !!! |
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation Boarderline Cartel
1770
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Posted - 2014.02.14 10:10:00 -
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Drones aren't human.
Sleepers aren't human.
There are your aliens. |
Yarda Black
Epidemic. Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2014.02.14 10:14:00 -
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All other life was DD-ed when titans still had AoE weapons
The aliens were pink with blue stripes across their left "arms". The petition to save them didn't work out. |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
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Posted - 2014.02.14 12:18:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:The chronicles discuss the Fedo, Slavers, the Furrier and the Hanging Long Limb.
The Hanging Long Limb is described as being one species in the family of Long Limbs, so there are clearly others.
None of those are really described as sentient though, so I would assume that whatever sentient creatures did exist when humans arrived, we nation built them into extinction. Hanging. Long. Limb.
lol
*cough* ....
LOL ..... *coughcough*
EVE ONLINE: The universe is ours!- Join the Epic Boo Bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!)You are at it from day 0! |
Kaban Bastanold
The Motley Few
3
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Posted - 2014.02.14 12:39:00 -
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There is alien life, just no Sentient alien life that we know of.
Sleepers are the Jove that got left behind and they were dying of plague. Or at least their guardian's
Jove are kinda... not massively human anymore after their own tinkering with themselves, but they still came from the same place.
HOWEVER we do know that the Jove are at war with another mysterious race and are apparently losing. We know nothing of them.
They could be humans from the old earth empire.... They could be something else....
Speculation is fun.
But no, for the factor of EVE, the storyline tells of no non-human blood line species of a sentient/intelligent nature. |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1005
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Posted - 2014.02.14 12:43:00 -
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Kaban Bastanold wrote:
HOWEVER we do know that the Jove are at war with another mysterious race and are apparently losing. We know nothing of them.
Oh?! Source please! :D Signature Tanking - Best Tanking. |
Wolf Kruol
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
64
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Posted - 2014.02.14 13:00:00 -
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I'm alien.. I was born in a test tube... a clone of my human like self.. GÇ£If you're very very stupid? How can you possibly realize you're very very stupid?
You have to be relatively intelligent to realize how stupid you really are!GÇ¥ |
Weylin Ormand
Mining Bay inc Beacon Light Alliance
103
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Posted - 2014.02.14 13:05:00 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:The chronicles discuss the Fedo, Slavers, the Furrier and the Hanging Long Limb.
The Hanging Long Limb is described as being one species in the family of Long Limbs, so there are clearly others.
None of those are really described as sentient though, so I would assume that whatever sentient creatures did exist when humans arrived, we nation built them into extinction. Hanging. Long. Limb. lol *cough* .... LOL ..... *coughcough*
My thoughts exactly.
I mine so you can have the fuel to run your POS.
Have you thanked a miner today? |
Kaban Bastanold
The Motley Few
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Posted - 2014.02.14 13:36:00 -
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Altrue wrote:Kaban Bastanold wrote:
HOWEVER we do know that the Jove are at war with another mysterious race and are apparently losing. We know nothing of them.
Oh?! Source please! :D
I wish i could remember. It's in the chronicles. I read about them ages ago, there was some cryptic name for them but it was just that, only a name. They move very mysteriously and even Jove don't know how.... something like that, it was a couple of years ago when i read it. It's there, you just gotta find it.
I think there was some theory they were the cause of the disease the Jove suffer but without a source i'd may aswell be talking about fish.
Ah that was is... Enheduanni
uhhh.... here's a forum post about them: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134836 |
Knights Armament
State Protectorate Caldari State
192
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Posted - 2014.02.14 13:45:00 -
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Interesting so what if we added aliens that are nice to people, and help them learn new technology? Maybe then we can open the new eden gate and go back to earth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZOdADD5RNs&feature=youtu.be http://evemouthbreathers.blogspot.com/ https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=29554516-05f9-4eca-a942-32e1701a6569&action=buddy |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1755
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Posted - 2014.02.14 14:36:00 -
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in-game items indicate the existence of life in New Eden of a non-human origin. Also, i believe the description on POCOs mentions something about "sapient livestock" which may or may not be of human design.
As for sapient aliens, no. Eve is about humans vs humans, not humans vs aliens. The second aliens are introduced it becomes the latter. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
251
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Posted - 2014.02.14 14:40:00 -
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Knights Armament wrote:Interesting so what if we added aliens that are nice to people, and help them learn new technology? Maybe then we can open the new eden gate and go back to earth.
There already are aliens in New Eden. It's us.
Humans are the aliens who came from another galaxy. Not anything else. |
Lyelle Wolf
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.14 14:43:00 -
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Kaban Bastanold wrote:There is alien life, just no Sentient alien life that we know of.
Sleepers are the Jove that got left behind and they were dying of plague. Or at least their guardian's
Jove are kinda... not massively human anymore after their own tinkering with themselves, but they still came from the same place.
HOWEVER we do know that the Jove are at war with another mysterious race and are apparently losing. We know nothing of them.
They could be humans from the old earth empire.... They could be something else....
Speculation is fun.
But no, for the factor of EVE, the storyline tells of no non-human blood line species of a sentient/intelligent nature.
You see, that right there points out so much potential in possible future stories in EVE and there is already so much deeply tied to it. Problem is CCP has yet to fully link it all together. It feels like they dropped the lore almost all together besides the bit of news we get here and there.
A while back ago there was excitement about discovering the "secret" of the sleepers, but now it seems only a few care anymore.
//LW |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3154
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Posted - 2014.02.14 14:57:00 -
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Fedos are actually all hypergeniuses, and far too smart to ever let us find out. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Kaban Bastanold
The Motley Few
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Posted - 2014.02.14 15:17:00 -
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Lyelle Wolf wrote: A while back ago there was excitement about discovering the "secret" of the sleepers, but now it seems only a few care anymore.
//LW
I was one of those, It's because it was mostly figured out. They were the diseased jove of a previous empire that was left behind, so they left themselves in a virtual reality whilst they tried to find a cure with guardian's to protect themselves.... or something like that.
I still need to read templar one but i'm leaving it for a time when i need to escape a bit :) |
LOL56
Galactic Express Black Core Alliance
70
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:23:00 -
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Just to clarify, the quote for the PoCo is from an Ammarian legal code, sapient livestock is clearly the legal term from slaves. |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
509
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Posted - 2014.02.14 19:04:00 -
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LOL56 wrote:Just to clarify, the quote for the PoCo is from an Ammarian legal code, sapient livestock is clearly the legal term from slaves.
To add to this, check the classification of any human cargo you got (Marines, Militants, Tourists, Janitors and more!) They are all classified under *gasp* Livestock!
As an extra twist to it, Livestock itself (cattle and such) is NOT classified as livestock but as commodity. I just get a Soylent Green vibe from all this ITS PEOPLE! Workings of the Aurora Arcology: The Redemption Program Shiigeru wreckage site will be salvaged & cleared in a joint Gallente/Caldari operation |
Snagletooth Johnson
Snagle Material Services CAStabouts
90
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Posted - 2014.02.14 20:47:00 -
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Freedom Munition wrote:Why is EvE so pro human, we can't have alien races? You mean like Panda's...in spaaaace?!! Alien panda's that know kung fu and walk on two legs, and wear cool pointy bamboo hats, hmmm...make it so! |
rswfire
Firesworn Firesworn Nation
166
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Posted - 2014.02.14 20:52:00 -
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Jove Death wrote:Kill all foreign animals and make them like a DoDo Anyway CCP Falcon is a alien isnt he? And I havent a clue what GM Nova is
Ha! I don't visit these forums enough; your posts are always the best. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYAz0aWEzpw http://www.firesworn.com/index.php?/topic/69-about-firesworn-nation/
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Arduemont
The State of War. Vendetta Mercenary Group
3065
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Posted - 2014.02.14 20:56:00 -
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Actually, contrary to what people have said so far Jove, and sleepers are both of human origin.
If your wondering why no aliens, and want a realistic answer, then I am afraid there is only one good answer and it's really boring. Life is rare and the Eve 'galaxy' is very small. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf |
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