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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
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Posted - 2014.02.11 02:19:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:One side said they were setting out to break it, the other side didn't, hope that helps
How did they break it? Serious question, I know they said they would set out to show how broken it is blah blah blah, but what did they actually do aside from use it?
There was nothing actually broken by what they did. Which is why CCP changing anything isn't needed.
1) 65K guys said it wasn't fun putting drones on 1 guy....who cares, that is subjective opinion and you don't have to put drones on people if you don't want to.
- This does not constitute grounds for changing mechanics.
2) 1500 dudes dropped 5 drones a pop in HED, CCP made a dev blog showing the server was fine right up until the same 1500 dudes tried jumping 500 Dreads in. The change doesn't actually address server load.
- This does not constitute grounds for changing mechanics
Unfortunately Martini sent a ping to all CFC to come to this thread and troll it/derail it so CCP Rise would continue with an unneeded change. Drone Assist is not an issue. Drones are and CCP should be spending time fixing the issue with them. That has existed for 10 years. They adjusted some things in like 07...but amounted to kicking the can down the road...to today, and Rise's "fix" doesn't actually address the only problem. Drones adding to much load to server. |
Captain StringfellowHawk
The Riot Formation Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2014.02.11 02:19:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Fix Sov wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Fix Sov wrote:So one side abusing something is fine, but the other side abusing it at the same time is bad? I don't follow. Who said anything about abusing. I didn't mention it anywhere in my post at all that drone use was an abuse. So one side using drones is just fine because it's the right side using it, the other side using it in the exact same fashion is bad because it's the wrong side using it. Gotcha. One side said they were setting out to break it, the other side didn't, hope that helps
So because the CFC said they would show how broken it is, thats a bad thing? Because one group can show bad mechanics it's bad? Because they can show how domi pilots or carrier pilots go AFK in fleets it's bad. I can show PLENTY of chat logs from S2N Archon pilots who are playing World of Tanks or Paths of Exile while in Wreckingball fleets. I know of Wreckingball pilots running Incursions while in fleets. Thats how Passive that fleet is. I also know Domi pilots who did the same thing, ran level 4's on an alt, while occasionally doing the called out order on a domi. Because the gameplay was that passive and that bad. Hell when I flown with PGL and canaris it was occasionally cycling a mod and that was it.
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Snow Axe
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1456
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Posted - 2014.02.11 02:21:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:There was nothing actually broken by what they did. Which is why CCP changing anything isn't needed. er.
Not asking you, asking Grath, who seems to have a legit problem with the CFC's actions in this. I already know your "NOTHING WILL CHANGE BUT I'M STILL SUPER ANGRY ABOUT THIS" spiel and it's every bit as boring/wrong today as it was yesterday and the day before. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
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Posted - 2014.02.11 02:22:00 -
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Captain StringfellowHawk wrote: So because the CFC said they would show how broken it is, thats a bad thing? Because one group can show bad mechanics it's bad? Because they can show how domi pilots or carrier pilots go AFK in fleets it's bad. I can show PLENTY of chat logs from S2N Archon pilots who are playing World of Tanks or Paths of Exile while in Wreckingball fleets. I know of Wreckingball pilots running Incursions while in fleets. Thats how Passive that fleet is. I also know Domi pilots who did the same thing, ran level 4's on an alt, while occasionally doing the called out order on a domi. Because the gameplay was that passive and that bad. Hell when I flown with PGL and canaris it was occasionally cycling a mod and that was it.
So what.
Why does it matter to you how someone else wishes to play the game? If they had mroe fun playing another game maybe that is a sign to CCP that there is a serious issue with their product. Maybe instead of wasting time addressing a mechanic that amounts to nothing, CCP should be addressing the issues with why people would rather play WoT or PoE instead of EVE.
I know if I was a game developer I would be very interested in knowing why people don't want to play my game.
Snow Axe wrote:
Not asking you, asking Grath, who seems to have a legit problem with the CFC's actions in this. I already know your "NOTHING WILL CHANGE BUT I'M STILL SUPER ANGRY ABOUT THIS" spiel and it's every bit as boring/wrong today as it was yesterday and the day before.
Im at work until 11PM i reply to everything. |
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1722
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Posted - 2014.02.11 02:23:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:One side said they were setting out to break it, the other side didn't, hope that helps
How did they break it? Serious question, I know they said they would set out to show how broken it is blah blah blah, but what did they actually do aside from use it?
they knew it was the drone not assist that is the problem.
ccp freely admits its only on large scale is when drones become a problem due to the amount of server processing they take.
you see each drone is its own object in space so what do you think would happen when you drop 5000 drones on one single grid would cause.
by nerfing drone assist CCP is hoping that drone useage will diminish and this will allow larger fleet fights. or just the same end game with high tidi just with more people.
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2282
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Posted - 2014.02.11 02:24:00 -
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Captain StringfellowHawk wrote: So because the CFC said they would show how broken it is, thats a bad thing? Because one group can show bad mechanics it's bad?
There are tons of bad mechanics in EvE, really really terrible mechanics (transfer sov from one alliance to another peacefully without coming down with CTS i dare you).
There are in fact not many mechanics in EVE that would stand up to 35k dudes harping on about them, I would argue almost none would.
If the CFC magically became a 35k man mining coalition tomorrow you would instantly start to see problems in mining. This isn't about game balance, this is about one group of players going after another group of players through the developers, because if it were anything other than that the CFC would go after all the things that are bad mechanics, not just the ones their enemies use.
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
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Posted - 2014.02.11 02:29:00 -
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things like this:
http://i.imgur.com/yKWTeOg.png
Don't go very far in securing the "unbiased" dev position. TBH.
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Captain StringfellowHawk
The Riot Formation Fatal Ascension
98
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Posted - 2014.02.11 02:30:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Captain StringfellowHawk wrote: So because the CFC said they would show how broken it is, thats a bad thing? Because one group can show bad mechanics it's bad?
There are tons of bad mechanics in EvE, really really terrible mechanics (transfer sov from one alliance to another peacefully without coming down with CTS i dare you). There are in fact not many mechanics in EVE that would stand up to 35k dudes harping on about them, I would argue almost none would. If the CFC magically became a 35k man mining coalition tomorrow you would instantly start to see problems in mining. This isn't about game balance, this is about one group of players going after another group of players through the developers, because if it were anything other than that the CFC would go after all the things that are bad mechanics, not just the ones their enemies use.
As a Indy player first and PVP second... I would LOVE to suddenly see a 35K man mining Coalition..I'm just putting it out there.... Then again if you add all the renters together... I guess we are a 35K man mining coalition also :P But, If bad mechanics are getting fixed due to mass sudden abuse... then look at the bright side... Someone got CCP to fix something. THAT alone is worth applauding. |
Captain StringfellowHawk
The Riot Formation Fatal Ascension
98
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Posted - 2014.02.11 02:31:00 -
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The actual Tweet and not a Imgur would be better.... |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
266
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Posted - 2014.02.11 02:33:00 -
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https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie/status/432828115857838080
But hey Im sure it was just a joke right. No harm no foul. Still bad PR move when you have 1/4 of your "game" accusing devs of being in bed with the other 3/4 |
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Captain StringfellowHawk
The Riot Formation Fatal Ascension
98
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Posted - 2014.02.11 02:33:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie/status/432828115857838080
LOL found it as you posted it... Still laughing my ass off.... |
Snow Axe
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1456
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Posted - 2014.02.11 02:36:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie/status/432828115857838080
But hey Im sure it was just a joke right. No harm no foul.
ahahahaaha yeah, that was Fozzie (aka former PL) showing his ~true colours~ and not at all rustling his former CEO's jimmies. Good catch Mario!!!! Just don't' read the rest of the conversation on that link or anything. It's a bit too reasonable and not at all the same thing. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
266
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Posted - 2014.02.11 02:38:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie/status/432828115857838080
But hey Im sure it was just a joke right. No harm no foul. ahahahaaha yeah, that was Fozzie (aka former PL) showing his ~true colours~ and not at all rustling his former CEO's jimmies. Good catch Mario!!!! Just don't' read the rest of the conversation on that link or anything. It's a bit too reasonable and not at all the same thing.
Oh I read it, I just posted it for page 64 laughs and because Rise completely ignoring this thread, and having to have Fozzie come in and bail him out on twitter.
Must be awfully busy tweaking more **** in EVE that will have no impact. How many cans can one guy kick down the road at a time?
(also I doubt many people who are new to EVE following CCP on Twitter know who comes from what player corp.) |
Captain StringfellowHawk
The Riot Formation Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2014.02.11 02:51:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie/status/432828115857838080
But hey Im sure it was just a joke right. No harm no foul. ahahahaaha yeah, that was Fozzie (aka former PL) showing his ~true colours~ and not at all rustling his former CEO's jimmies. Good catch Mario!!!! Just don't' read the rest of the conversation on that link or anything. It's a bit too reasonable and not at all the same thing. Oh I read it, I just posted it for page 64 laughs and because Rise completely ignoring this thread, and having to have Fozzie come in and bail him out on twitter. Must be awfully busy tweaking more **** in EVE that will have no impact. How many cans can one guy kick down the road at a time? (also I doubt many people who are new to EVE following CCP on Twitter know who comes from what player corp.)
I like how after the twitter post... the thread suddenly went silent :P |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
266
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Posted - 2014.02.11 02:53:00 -
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Captain StringfellowHawk wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie/status/432828115857838080
But hey Im sure it was just a joke right. No harm no foul. ahahahaaha yeah, that was Fozzie (aka former PL) showing his ~true colours~ and not at all rustling his former CEO's jimmies. Good catch Mario!!!! Just don't' read the rest of the conversation on that link or anything. It's a bit too reasonable and not at all the same thing. Oh I read it, I just posted it for page 64 laughs and because Rise completely ignoring this thread, and having to have Fozzie come in and bail him out on twitter. Must be awfully busy tweaking more **** in EVE that will have no impact. How many cans can one guy kick down the road at a time? (also I doubt many people who are new to EVE following CCP on Twitter know who comes from what player corp.) I like how after the twitter post... the thread suddenly went silent :P
Me too =D maybe because everyone sees discussion isn't going to change anything. |
Captain StringfellowHawk
The Riot Formation Fatal Ascension
98
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Posted - 2014.02.11 03:00:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Captain StringfellowHawk wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie/status/432828115857838080
But hey Im sure it was just a joke right. No harm no foul. ahahahaaha yeah, that was Fozzie (aka former PL) showing his ~true colours~ and not at all rustling his former CEO's jimmies. Good catch Mario!!!! Just don't' read the rest of the conversation on that link or anything. It's a bit too reasonable and not at all the same thing. Oh I read it, I just posted it for page 64 laughs and because Rise completely ignoring this thread, and having to have Fozzie come in and bail him out on twitter. Must be awfully busy tweaking more **** in EVE that will have no impact. How many cans can one guy kick down the road at a time? (also I doubt many people who are new to EVE following CCP on Twitter know who comes from what player corp.) I like how after the twitter post... the thread suddenly went silent :P Me too =D maybe because everyone sees discussion isn't going to change anything.
Or there now worried that Grath's conversation is going to remove orbiting and approaching mechanics.... They pulled the plugs on there Eve Accounts and went back to playing Trade Wars. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2282
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Posted - 2014.02.11 03:07:00 -
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Captain StringfellowHawk wrote:
Or there now worried that Grath's conversation is going to remove orbiting and approaching mechanics.... They pulled the plugs on there Eve Accounts and went back to playing Trade Wars.
Well that would be silly, unless people aren't really worried about AFK enabling mechanics like they say....
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
266
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Posted - 2014.02.11 03:11:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Captain StringfellowHawk wrote:
Or there now worried that Grath's conversation is going to remove orbiting and approaching mechanics.... They pulled the plugs on there Eve Accounts and went back to playing Trade Wars.
Well that would be silly, unless people aren't really worried about AFK enabling mechanics like they say....
Personally I think you either go all in or you don't play the game. Cherry picking one mechanic over the other seems silly. Not to mention an Anti-AFK Patch has a nice ring to it.
Maybe skip the spring patch and just hit up the summer expansion with
Anti-Afk and Drone Weapon Systems update.
although CCP would probably need to listen to the input of the player base to make it work...a dream is a dream. |
Captain StringfellowHawk
The Riot Formation Fatal Ascension
98
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Posted - 2014.02.11 03:23:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Captain StringfellowHawk wrote:
Or there now worried that Grath's conversation is going to remove orbiting and approaching mechanics.... They pulled the plugs on there Eve Accounts and went back to playing Trade Wars.
Well that would be silly, unless people aren't really worried about AFK enabling mechanics like they say.... Personally I think you either go all in or you don't play the game. Cherry picking one mechanic over the other seems silly. Not to mention an Anti-AFK Patch has a nice ring to it. Maybe skip the spring patch and just hit up the summer expansion with Anti-Afk and Drone Weapon Systems update. although CCP would probably need to listen to the input of the player base to make it work...a dream is a dream.
I can see orbit and approach more necessary then an afk mechanic. Unless we suddenly get actual steering mechanics into this game besides the clunky Double clicking in space. Give me steering Via keyboard... or mouse.. or my Saitek X52 ( or other version) and I will fully support removing those two. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2283
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Posted - 2014.02.11 03:37:00 -
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Captain StringfellowHawk wrote:
I can see orbit and approach more necessary then an afk mechanic. Unless we suddenly get actual steering mechanics into this game besides the clunky Double clicking in space. Give me steering Via keyboard... or mouse.. or my Saitek X52 ( or other version) and I will fully support removing those two.
So true story, if you anchor and approach on a fleet anchor, that anchor is steering you in that 'clunky double click' way, so somebody is having to do that action for the whole fleet.
If we're really dealing with afk stuff, that action should be performed by the individual members, not just one man.
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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Phox Jorkarzul
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Sicarius Draconis
94
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Posted - 2014.02.11 04:19:00 -
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At this point I'm inclined to to agree with Grath and Mario. This "fix" is dumb and does not solve the issue. Instead CCP should be working on a complete Drone overhaul. From tracking and damage output of fighters to a drone bandwidth assist cap, to drone coding, and the drone UI. This all needs to be done in in a single expansion, not a "fixed" soon(tm) point patch.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8988
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Posted - 2014.02.11 04:26:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Me too =D maybe because everyone sees my whining isn't going to change consensus. Fixed. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
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Posted - 2014.02.11 04:37:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Me too =D maybe because everyone sees my whining isn't going to change consensus. Fixed.
Ba dum tsss Got me man. Good zinger. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
322
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Posted - 2014.02.11 05:09:00 -
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grath I guess I don't get why you are spending multiple evenings posting against this change, you said yourself that removing drone assist would be meaningless to your fleet tactics
Quote: I 100% disagree, and the removal of drone assist will have a much greater impact on sub caps than it ever would on capitals.
You can assign the drone attack command to a key, so your FC broadcasts a target, you all lock it (at about the same time cause you're all carriers) and just like in alpha fleet, your fc goes 3,2.1 fire fire fire and everybody pushes the button, shazam, guy dies. The removal of Drone assist will have zero effect on slowcats, feel free to take it, nobody is objecting to its removal in anyway shape or form that I'm aware of, in fact, i support removing all the things that allow somebody else to control your ship, like fleet and wing warping, and anchoring on another ship, its all stupid sloppy game play.
granted you have been pretty consistent on the other parts but they are pretty offtopic in a drone assist nerf thread so since you have publicly stated that you don't actually care about drone assist what are you even trying to do in here |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
322
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Posted - 2014.02.11 05:13:00 -
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Also if the words of your confederates are any indication, the whole shebang seems pretty neutral as a whole to your side, so why not just relax with a glass of scotch instead of posting words on a forum about a change that you don't even care about
to wit:
Quote: If they nerf drone assign we will still use them and then just call targets its really not a big deal. Welcome to the unavoidable capital age CFC nerd #getonthislevel. Every fight from now on till you can cry to have carriers removed from the game you will face slowcats. You will need to bring enough capitals to fight them off don't know what else to say but #dealwithit. Dealing with 1000 nerds in Maelstroms , Megas , Domis whatever you wanna fly is bullshit as well. You have you're scores of chucklefucks we have our scores of capitals.
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2283
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Posted - 2014.02.11 05:22:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Also if the words of your confederates are any indication, the whole shebang seems pretty neutral as a whole to your side, so why not just relax with a glass of scotch instead of posting words on a forum about a change that you don't even care about
I've stated multiple times why:
An in game entity has publicly stated that it wanted a mechanic used by its enemy removed from the game, they then engaged in a posting spree and a mechanics overload to attempt to sway the game developer who in the CFC's own words "didn't see the mechanic as a problem". Changing a game mechanic because an ingame entity wants you to is the slippery of slipperiest slopes that as a developer they should never go down, especially when the rest of anything dealing with drones is in such terrifyingly bad shape.
Fix drones, as a whole, not just the part that one ingame entity is attempting to twist y our arm about. Fix Afk mechanics, not just the mechanics that one ingame entity is crying about. Do this and it doesn't matter what mechanic you change because its a fair and balanced approach that the entire game benefits from, not just appeasing a portion of the player base because they waged some stupid forum war.
Forum wars and propaganda wars are supposed to go on between alliances, when the game developer starts falling victim to it then you're wading deep into dangerous territory.
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6381
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Posted - 2014.02.11 05:26:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:Also if the words of your confederates are any indication, the whole shebang seems pretty neutral as a whole to your side, so why not just relax with a glass of scotch instead of posting words on a forum about a change that you don't even care about I've stated multiple times why: An in game entity has publicly stated that it wanted a mechanic used by its enemy removed from the game, they then engaged in a posting spree and a mechanics overload to attempt to sway the game developer who in the CFC's own words "didn't see the mechanic as a problem". Changing a game mechanic because an ingame entity wants you to is the slippery of slipperiest slopes that as a developer they should never go down, especially when the rest of anything dealing with drones is in such terrifyingly bad shape. Fix drones, as a whole, not just the part that one ingame entity is attempting to twist y our arm about. Fix Afk mechanics, not just the mechanics that one ingame entity is crying about. Do this and it doesn't matter what mechanic you change because its a fair and balanced approach that the entire game benefits from, not just appeasing a portion of the player base because they waged some stupid forum war. Forum wars and propaganda wars are supposed to go on between alliances, when the game developer starts falling victim to it then you're wading deep into dangerous territory. so when you agreed it was a problem and it should be fixed, you meant only until the cfc agreed with you, and then it became incorrect to fix the problem Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division:
"We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.11 05:29:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:Also if the words of your confederates are any indication, the whole shebang seems pretty neutral as a whole to your side, so why not just relax with a glass of scotch instead of posting words on a forum about a change that you don't even care about I've stated multiple times why: An in game entity has publicly stated that it wanted a mechanic used by its enemy removed from the game, they then engaged in a posting spree and a mechanics overload to attempt to sway the game developer who in the CFC's own words "didn't see the mechanic as a problem". Changing a game mechanic because an ingame entity wants you to is the slippery of slipperiest slopes that as a developer they should never go down, especially when the rest of anything dealing with drones is in such terrifyingly bad shape. Fix drones, as a whole, not just the part that one ingame entity is attempting to twist y our arm about. Fix Afk mechanics, not just the mechanics that one ingame entity is crying about. Do this and it doesn't matter what mechanic you change because its a fair and balanced approach that the entire game benefits from, not just appeasing a portion of the player base because they waged some stupid forum war. Forum wars and propaganda wars are supposed to go on between alliances, when the game developer starts falling victim to it then you're wading deep into dangerous territory. except, y'know, you stated
publicly
that you actually wanted it gone
I'm pretty sure that even if all that tinfoil and blind goonfleet dot com jabber broadcast believing is actually true
we still did you a favor by affecting a change that you stated you wanted |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
322
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Posted - 2014.02.11 05:46:00 -
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also frankly your position shows a very low amount of respect for CCP, which is both rude and unwarranted, especially with so many of their employees being former members of your coalition
Assuming by default that CCP is too short-sighted to separate obvious player bias from legitimate game balance concerns betrays a pernicious attitude that is not needed in this thread |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2284
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Posted - 2014.02.11 05:56:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:you meant
No, I meant exactly what I just said.
Is English not your first language?
Promiscuous Female wrote:also frankly your position shows a very low amount of respect for CCP Well good I was wondering if it showed Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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