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Gimme more Cynos
Du nervst geh sterben
132
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Posted - 2014.02.08 08:41:00 -
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Imho, a cap in numbers is pretty bad. It should be a bandwith cap.
Say 1250 bandwith at max and you have your 50 sentries, 50 Heavies, and no Problem with lights and mediums. |
Oxide Ammar
Equilibrium Tech Labs
68
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Posted - 2014.02.08 09:11:00 -
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Andski wrote:MeBiatch wrote:The ponit is incursion runners dont use domi and dont cause lag. Rise said those are the only reasons for the nerf.
So again why should the majority of eve players have to pay for unbalanced 0.0 warfare?
i can turn that around and ask why 0.0 players, who are routinely responsible for the content that matters and attracts new players, should be penalized because CCP doesn't wish to trivially inconvenience the farming subset of the playerbase? also goddamn your assumption that incursion runners are the "majority" screams entitlement and i am quite sure that more players regularly partake in 0.0 warfare than in incursion running
Underlining for the lolz...dude your alliance is one of the major causes for making new players resenting null sec experience. |
Needa3
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
42
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Posted - 2014.02.08 09:12:00 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:Nice, the goon whining wins again. Good job there Rise and Fozzie, but could you even TRY to make an effort not to be so obvious?
What he said.
Ccp obviously picking sides and going for the blob.
Think you may want to perform an internal audit to find out how deep your employees are into mittens ********.
As soon als a blob counter appears it gets nerfed. Nice job ccp
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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
507
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Posted - 2014.02.08 09:17:00 -
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nullsec can you please go, you're all really terrible |
Tragot Gomndor
Krautz WH Exploration and Production Cerberus Unleashed
25
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Posted - 2014.02.08 09:41:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:We feel that drone assist, at a large scale, leads to passive gameplay that most players do not enjoy.
What makes large scale combat unenjoyable is the x hours of 10% tidi. The whole large scale pvp stuff is broken and i can only stand seeing it when its a youtube video with fast forward. Fix the servers.
And yes, nullsec is bad.
0.0 = GOONS = SAAAMMMMEEE!!!!1111222 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10167
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Posted - 2014.02.08 09:46:00 -
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Oxide Ammar wrote:Underlining for the lolz...dude your alliance is one of the major causes for making new players resenting null sec experience.
do you have anything to back up your ridiculous, unsubstantiated claim here? Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10168
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Posted - 2014.02.08 09:54:00 -
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Chorianda wrote:Sala, Fleets for incursion HQ sites typically consist of 30 or so battleships, 6-10 logistics cruisers, and a t3 cruiser. The battleships assign their drones to the t3, which uses them to kill frigates while the battleships work on the larger ships. Typically, the t3 is controlling about 175 light drones. That's the use-case which CCP Rise says he wants to preserve. Surely you can see how a 50-drone limit would cause a problem here, right? It's not insurmountable, of course, but it IS a problem. Some may think that incursions SHOULD be made less efficient, and this change would certainly do that, but that's not what we're here to discuss, is it?
It seems that changing the limit based on the types of drones being controlled, while certainly more complicated to implement, would preserve this use-case while addressing the problem with massed sentry drones that needs fixing. Is it really that much more complicated to implement?
So you're upset over ~2500 DPS lost from a gang of 30 ships?
my sides Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Dave Stark
4337
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Posted - 2014.02.08 10:03:00 -
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Andski wrote:So you're upset over ~2500 DPS lost from a gang of 30 ships?
my sides
you can't be any higher than about 5 foot tall since the point sails right over your head almost every time you quote some one.
the dps is irrelevant. read the actual post and you'd see they clearly explained the issue. |
Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
516
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Posted - 2014.02.08 10:09:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Andski wrote:So you're upset over ~2500 DPS lost from a gang of 30 ships?
my sides you can't be any higher than about 5 foot tall since the point sails right over your head almost every time you quote some one. the dps is irrelevant. read the actual post and you'd see they clearly explained the issue.
Having read the text carefully, I still fail to see why incursion runners can't direct their own drones. Embers Children is recruiting carefully selected pilots who like wormholes, green killboards and the sweet taste of tears. You can convo me in game or join the chat "TOHA Lounge".
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
178
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Posted - 2014.02.08 10:12:00 -
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Having skip read through I still can't see why anyone would (and should) be able to control more than 10 drones...you want 50 drones on one target? Co-ordinate a fleet of 5 players...
We keep seing comments about changes to promote more player interaction so make drone bunnies actually work as fleets... |
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Dave Stark
4337
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Posted - 2014.02.08 10:13:00 -
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Mournful Conciousness wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Andski wrote:So you're upset over ~2500 DPS lost from a gang of 30 ships?
my sides you can't be any higher than about 5 foot tall since the point sails right over your head almost every time you quote some one. the dps is irrelevant. read the actual post and you'd see they clearly explained the issue. Having read the text carefully, I still fail to see why incursion runners can't direct their own drones.
that's because directing your own drones isn't the issue. instead of reading the post, you're looking for something that isn't there. |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2181
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Posted - 2014.02.08 10:13:00 -
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This thread makes me think that maybe the best stand point for drones server wise, flavor wise and game play wise, is to remove drones from all non-drone bonused ships. With a few exceptions such as mining barges and logistic ships. Novis Initiis is Recruting-á --á Ideas for Drone Improvement |
Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
516
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Posted - 2014.02.08 10:20:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Mournful Conciousness wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Andski wrote:So you're upset over ~2500 DPS lost from a gang of 30 ships?
my sides you can't be any higher than about 5 foot tall since the point sails right over your head almost every time you quote some one. the dps is irrelevant. read the actual post and you'd see they clearly explained the issue. Having read the text carefully, I still fail to see why incursion runners can't direct their own drones. that's because directing your own drones isn't the issue. instead of reading the post, you're looking for something that isn't there.
Please kindly tell me specifically which game breaking problem I am missing? Embers Children is recruiting carefully selected pilots who like wormholes, green killboards and the sweet taste of tears. You can convo me in game or join the chat "TOHA Lounge".
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Dave Stark
4337
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Posted - 2014.02.08 10:26:00 -
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Mournful Conciousness wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Mournful Conciousness wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Andski wrote:So you're upset over ~2500 DPS lost from a gang of 30 ships?
my sides you can't be any higher than about 5 foot tall since the point sails right over your head almost every time you quote some one. the dps is irrelevant. read the actual post and you'd see they clearly explained the issue. Having read the text carefully, I still fail to see why incursion runners can't direct their own drones. that's because directing your own drones isn't the issue. instead of reading the post, you're looking for something that isn't there. Please kindly tell me specifically which game breaking problem I am missing?
no. because the point has been made many times and if you haven't understood it by now then there's no point me wasting my time. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1475
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Posted - 2014.02.08 12:05:00 -
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Now we need still to wait for goons to whine for CCP to nerf carrier RR ability... beacause for them carriers will still be op after this drone nerf |
Max50
Parental Control Triumvirate.
45
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Posted - 2014.02.08 12:21:00 -
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I remember 2 years ago when the supercarrier nerf was about to hit that i told people: "so what?instead of throwing 100 supers with sentries, they ll just throw 200 carriers to have the exact same effect"
people laughed at me.As they will laugh now that i will call it again.
Welcome to the next BS-logi doctrine of out of siege dreads with carrier support.
It ll be fun to see 100 out of siege dreads killing subcaps again under the repairs of 150 archons. |
Kiandoshia
Tetragorn SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1634
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Posted - 2014.02.08 13:59:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Kiandoshia wrote:Dave Stark wrote: considering an incursion runner has plenty to do without accounting for drones, perhaps you should do one and realise it's not the same as a drone assist fleet where you can go afk once drones are assigned.
That's bs. Incursions are **** easy, just like every other kind of PvE. When I did them, they felt an awful lot like mining after a while with the only difference being that incursions hose a lot more ISK all over everyone involved. After a while, I was even using mutliple characters in them. On topic though, I'm glad for the change in general. Flying Domis was getting boring and I have only been here for a month =p it's not bullshit, and how "difficult" incursion are has NO RELEVANCE to this discussion, or thread. it's a fact that there are more things to do in an incursion than assigning your drones to the drone bunny. once again, cfc members attacking arguments that haven't been made in order to whine about whatever it is they've been told to whine about this month. when it comes to this topic it really is telling that the only people whining, and posting irrelevant arguments to facilitate whining have pretty much exclusively been from the cfc.
Read my whole post. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10174
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Posted - 2014.02.08 14:06:00 -
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Max50 wrote:I remember 2 years ago when the supercarrier nerf was about to hit that i told people: "so what?instead of throwing 100 supers with sentries, they ll just throw 200 carriers to have the exact same effect"
people laughed at me.As they will laugh now that i will call it again.
Welcome to the next BS-logi doctrine of out of siege dreads with carrier support.
It ll be fun to see 100 out of siege dreads killing subcaps again under the repairs of 150 archons.
yes with the fantastic tracking of XL turrets i'm sure this will work great against anything smaller than battleships Twitter: @EVEAndski
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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1720
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Posted - 2014.02.08 14:09:00 -
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Andski wrote:Max50 wrote:I remember 2 years ago when the supercarrier nerf was about to hit that i told people: "so what?instead of throwing 100 supers with sentries, they ll just throw 200 carriers to have the exact same effect"
people laughed at me.As they will laugh now that i will call it again.
Welcome to the next BS-logi doctrine of out of siege dreads with carrier support.
It ll be fun to see 100 out of siege dreads killing subcaps again under the repairs of 150 archons. yes with the fantastic tracking of XL turrets i'm sure this will work great against anything smaller than battleships
well dont you know thats why they made Target Parget painters can be overheated right?
so that un assisted dreads can blap ibis? There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Dave Stark
4337
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Posted - 2014.02.08 14:10:00 -
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Kiandoshia wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Kiandoshia wrote:Dave Stark wrote: considering an incursion runner has plenty to do without accounting for drones, perhaps you should do one and realise it's not the same as a drone assist fleet where you can go afk once drones are assigned.
That's bs. Incursions are **** easy, just like every other kind of PvE. When I did them, they felt an awful lot like mining after a while with the only difference being that incursions hose a lot more ISK all over everyone involved. After a while, I was even using mutliple characters in them. On topic though, I'm glad for the change in general. Flying Domis was getting boring and I have only been here for a month =p it's not bullshit, and how "difficult" incursion are has NO RELEVANCE to this discussion, or thread. it's a fact that there are more things to do in an incursion than assigning your drones to the drone bunny. once again, cfc members attacking arguments that haven't been made in order to whine about whatever it is they've been told to whine about this month. when it comes to this topic it really is telling that the only people whining, and posting irrelevant arguments to facilitate whining have pretty much exclusively been from the cfc. Read my whole post.
i did, and the difficulty of incursions still has no relevance to this thread. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10174
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Posted - 2014.02.08 14:16:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:i did, and the difficulty of incursions still has no relevance to this thread.
it sure doesn't, which is why you were crying about how much harder those incursions are going to be Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Dave Stark
4337
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Posted - 2014.02.08 14:33:00 -
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Andski wrote:Dave Stark wrote:i did, and the difficulty of incursions still has no relevance to this thread. it sure doesn't, which is why you were crying about how much harder those incursions are going to be
considering i haven't mentioned the difficulty of incursions once... yeah, sure buddy. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10174
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Posted - 2014.02.08 14:35:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote: considering an incursion runner has plenty to do without accounting for drones, perhaps you should do one and realise it's not the same as a drone assist fleet where you can go afk once drones are assigned.
"i didn't actually say that thing that i said" Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Dave Stark
4337
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Posted - 2014.02.08 14:37:00 -
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Andski wrote:Dave Stark wrote: considering an incursion runner has plenty to do without accounting for drones, perhaps you should do one and realise it's not the same as a drone assist fleet where you can go afk once drones are assigned.
"i didn't actually say that thing that i said"
and that isn't a comment on the difficulty of incursions.
try again, please, your flailing and crying is actually hilarious. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10174
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Posted - 2014.02.08 14:40:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:and that isn't a comment on the difficulty of incursions.
try again, please, your flailing and crying is actually hilarious.
you confused me with the incursion runners crying about how they'll need another TWO drone triggers in their 30-man gangs and crying about how they're being neglected to improve the gameplay in the areas that actually matter Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Dave Stark
4337
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Posted - 2014.02.08 14:42:00 -
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Andski wrote:Dave Stark wrote:and that isn't a comment on the difficulty of incursions.
try again, please, your flailing and crying is actually hilarious. you confused me with the incursion runners crying about how they'll need another TWO drone triggers in their 30-man gangs and crying about how they're being neglected to improve the gameplay in the areas that actually matter
i haven't confused you with anyone. you are trying to argue points that haven't been made, with quotes that don't apply.
it isn't a whine about having extra drone triggers, we're asking a perfectly valid question of "why did rise say one thing, and do another?" |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10174
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Posted - 2014.02.08 14:42:00 -
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"ccp pls we dont want to make hard decisions like trading two DPS battleships for two more drone triggers or simply reducing the number of drones we use to kill frigates. pls make exception for us as eve is hard" Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Gawain Edmond
Angry Mustellid
54
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Posted - 2014.02.08 14:44:00 -
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Harvey James wrote:Malcanis wrote:Harvey James wrote:
so aren't the CSM at all concerned with the frigate abuse of drone assist?
No we aren't. Not even slightly. WOW!!! so you think a condor controlling the alpha of 50 sentries with a lock time of what 2 secs is balanced?
if you can't get away from a condor that has 50 sentries to control then you'd be dead even if he didn't have 50 sentries and just 10 other people to kill you with |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
123
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Posted - 2014.02.08 15:00:00 -
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Sort Dragon wrote:We went through alot with ccp for this. And for now this is a good change.
Yea, lots of crying done on this one.
And this is what it's all about. |
Celly S
Concord Attraction Services The Ditanian Alliance
261
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Posted - 2014.02.08 15:40:00 -
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Fix Sov wrote:Sheeana Harb wrote:I, as an incursioner, am concerned that 50 drone limit will (without any doubt) negatively affect my experience Is having to do something yourself in an incursion a bad thing, now?
That statement right there indicates a total lack of clue
maybe you should go find one before posting again.
as one of the original TDF FCs (on another account of course) I can state that there is plenty to do in an incursion even if you have assigned drones to the drone bunny.
o/ Just saying. Celly Smunt
Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or be singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator. |
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