Pages: [1] :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Mohamad Transporte
Macabre Votum Northern Coalition.
31
|
Posted - 2014.01.23 14:04:00 -
[1] - Quote
CCP's method to counter drone assist problem was limited to nerfing sentries..giving poor results , and no change in the fact that all majour alliances are using domi nowadays as main doctrine
Well.. here is a serious suggestion how to counter it by thinking out of the box...
The solution is not nerfing, it lies in providing tool to counter it...
And since Domi is the only T1 BS that doesnt get any EWAR Role.. he is my suggestion:
Bonuses to domi:
>> Drone bonuses (Keep as is for both) >> Additional Bonus (25% in Smart bomb Optimal range by lvl)
that will make dominix reach for 11.25 km for Tech 1 ... & 13.5 km for tech2 large (At BS lvl 5)
The output of applying this:
> Train that skill that is left @ lvl 1 related to smartbombing > Do effort to counter drones (Instead the old nerfing button) > Give domi the missing EWAR Bonus > Make goons wine less about being terribad in this game |
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks The Volition Cult
673
|
Posted - 2014.01.23 14:23:00 -
[2] - Quote
I can immediately see a couple problems with this without actually putting any thought in:
1) This won't really do a lot to counter large fleets using drone assist as the doctrines utilise mods which allow them extended ranges. The current tactic (to avoid losing all to stealth bombs) is to spread the fleet out. Considering bombs are about the same size as the smartbombs you're talking about it wouldn't have a lot more effect on current doctrines/tactics.
2) You're suggesting buffing pipe-bombing and missile shieldwall fits, neither of which needs buffing.
|
Mohamad Transporte
Macabre Votum Northern Coalition.
31
|
Posted - 2014.01.23 14:27:00 -
[3] - Quote
i had the missle thingy in mind.. but forgot to add.. OP updated
As for spreading tactic... usually .. you dont spread more than 20 km from ur anchor .. unless u want to be out of ur logi range.. and as i mentioned.. it needs a bit of coordination |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
905
|
Posted - 2014.01.23 16:21:00 -
[4] - Quote
Why did you name the thread "countering Drones assist..." when the idea does nothing of the sort?
Why should the Domi blob that drops 300 sentries, assigns them to a single trigger finger and insta-gibs everything in sight be concerned about smartbombs with slightly better range .. is the intention to have a Domi blob of your own and warp into the enemy sentry puddle after dropping your own?
Set a hard limit/maximum of drones that any one ship can 'manage', say one flight per level of one of the high rank drone skills. Problem solved (or at least minimized). The tactic will still be far superior to everything else as the most gun/missile platforms can hope for is to control their own weapons.
Avoided by not going with your band-aid/'idea' : Enabling the morons who consider smartbombing lowsec gates "PvP". Making missiles definitively better than turrets (unless you want to allow TDs to affect them now that smarties don't).
Question: What sentry nerf are you referring to? |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
905
|
Posted - 2014.01.23 16:22:00 -
[5] - Quote
Damn this forum! |
scimichar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
139
|
Posted - 2014.01.23 17:26:00 -
[6] - Quote
I agree that smartbombing your own sentries will solve the drone assist problem. |
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
99
|
Posted - 2014.01.23 17:39:00 -
[7] - Quote
Veshta Yoshida wrote:Damn this forum!
Yes, this. But about the post.
I like drone assist but agree that in a fleet fight that it's not well balanced.
However, I will say this: Your idea is not out of the box. Your only suggestion regarding drones in limiting the max number a single ship can be assisted with which has been suggested such a multitude of time that you should really just forum search 'drone assist' or 'drone' and read instead of rehashing it.
I like smartbomb bonuses (though I don't think they are needed) but don't think this helps at all.
As much as I don't want to be mean, I will say - if you think you have the idea that is going to fix eve wait a day do some forum searches and then post. |
Mohamad Transporte
Macabre Votum Northern Coalition.
31
|
Posted - 2014.01.23 18:02:00 -
[8] - Quote
wow... is it me or the world suffers from ability to read english... where in my post did i mention that i want to limit drone assist (its a dumb idea and wont solve anything)
Or maybe you are high sec dudes and have no idea how drone assist work ...
OK so ABC Drone assist... u have a ship called anchor.. u orbit the anchor at 15 to 20 km .. u drop drone and assist someone in ur watchlist... and go troll people on eve-kill.net while ur FC chew enemy ships
Now.. when you are doing this .. a group of 10 enemy domi warp on ur anchor at 0 and star best to 15 km... and then activate their smartbombs .. they will kill ur drones and any drone u re-deploy.. the trick is keeping them alive and ur whole domi fleet is screwed
now why range bonus?
Because if u smartbomb with 5 km radius only.. u will need a lot smartbombing ships to able to do it properly which takes from ur dps power...
I hope now its clr.. and plz dont post unless u actually use it in big fleet fights |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
3441
|
Posted - 2014.01.23 18:19:00 -
[9] - Quote
I think a much better solution is to have ECM and ECM Bursts and Lockbreaker bombs return the drone to their owners control.
They can then re-assign the drones if they like. |
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks The Volition Cult
679
|
Posted - 2014.01.23 18:37:00 -
[10] - Quote
Mohamad Transporte wrote:Or maybe you are high sec dudes and have no idea how drone assist work ... You should be careful with your accusations...
Mohamad Transporte wrote:OK so ABC Drone assist... u have a ship called anchor.. u orbit the anchor at 15 to 20 km .. u drop drone and assist someone in ur watchlist... and go troll people on eve-kill.net while ur FC chew enemy ships
Now.. when you are doing this .. a group of 10 enemy domi warp on ur anchor at 0 and star best to 15 km... and then activate their smartbombs .. they will kill ur drones and any drone u re-deploy.. the trick is keeping them alive and ur whole domi fleet is screwed ... because anyone who's actually tried doing what you're suggesting against a sentry assist fleet knows that your 10 Domis will be dead before they reach 15km, most likely, and so you've just wasted somewhere in the region of 2.5billion isk for nothing. At the very most you've killed one set of sentry drones, got horribly neuted by the enemy fleet (cos every self respecting sentry drone fleet ship has at least 2 neuts) and thus die horribly anyway. At best you kill somewhere between 200mill and 500mill of drones for 2.5mill loss. Not to mention the difficulties involved with actually getting on top of an enemy fleet in the first place.
No one in their right mind would do this and that is precisely why no one does it now. It has nothing to do with the range of the smart bombs, it has to do with the kill/loss ration and the effectiveness of the action.
It would make more sense to microjump one Scorpion with an ECM burst and a bloody big tank on it into the enemy fleet to see who doesn't get jammed, assume one of those is the drone bunny and prioritise them with your fleet.
The reason that isn't done is the same as one of the reasons your idea wouldn't work: It's really hard to get directly on top of an enemy fleet. They'll see you coming and kill you on the way.
Mohamad Transporte wrote:now why range bonus?
Because if u smartbomb with 5 km radius only.. u will need a lot smartbombing ships to able to do it properly which takes from ur dps power...
I hope now its clr.. and plz dont post unless u actually use it in big fleet fights
I have used all sorts of tactics to try to counter sentry fleets and I've flown in sentry fleets. Have you?
What you're suggesting can work at the moment with talented pilots using certain tactics . The problem with your suggestion is that although it might mean less able pilots might make more of an impact that doesn't balance out with all the other things that get whacked out of balance by your proposed change, ie gate camping, WH camping, pipe-bombing, firewalls etc.
If you want to use smart bombs against fleets of drone assist ships, you can do so now. You just need to figure out how to do it. I'll give you a hint. It requires co-operation with some frigates and the use of micro-jump drives :) |
|
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks The Volition Cult
679
|
Posted - 2014.01.23 18:39:00 -
[11] - Quote
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:I think a much better solution is to have ECM and ECM Bursts and Lockbreaker bombs return the drone to their owners control.
They can then re-assign the drones if they like.
Sorry for double posting but this is the best suggestion regarding drone assist I've seen so far. +1 |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1987
|
Posted - 2014.01.23 20:40:00 -
[12] - Quote
Drone assist only works on squad level. Done. Thank you for your time. Invoice sent. |
|
|
|
Pages: [1] :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |