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Spliff Stumper
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Posted - 2003.09.03 08:33:00 -
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Finally some real content, and you remove it... why?
BRING IT BACK!
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.09.03 08:43:00 -
[362]
Edited by: j0sephine on 03/09/2003 08:53:44
"The Scope is still here, although the purpose it serves is to keep the players informed about events and happenings related to the officially sanctioned events produced by CCP and the Aurora Project, the branch of Polaris that does events. Players had asked for a place where they could get news about our events and that's why The Scope was created.
The reason for disallowing The Scope to include player events, gossip and politics is that Polaris must remain neutral and not become involved with player happenings."
/boggle
... With all due respect, this makes no bloody sense whatsoever.
* Polaris is supposed to 'remain neutral and not become involved', yet at the same time there's dedicated branch of Polaris whose sole function is to interact with the players and to get them involved in CCP-organized events.
* how is the nerfed Scope supposed to report about official events and not the player events, when thanks to the efforts of the Aurora branch of the Polaris team to get the players involved, the official events essentially become player happenings, due to the players' participation in them and --as stated both by the Aurora team and the CCP members-- the outcome of these official events being actually shaped by the players?..
* Further to the point, as apparently the special team is able to do their work of getting the players involved while 'remaining neutral and uninvolved' itself, why can't the same neutral and uninvolved team handle the simple reporting of player happenings?.. After all, the only difference between the 100% player happenings and the official events is, the official events were somewhat pre-planned by the Polaris team.
* Finally, what about the suggestion made here to separate the Scope team from Polaris... thus removing the need for strict neutrality yadda yadda yadda as the separate Scope would no longer tarnish the image of pink-lettered team?..
... gah; would /sign again but... whatever. way to drop the ball, guys... :/
edit: i see at least 350+ people in this thread supporting the idea to have the Scope restored in its original form; as --according to provided info-- the reason to change the profile was player complaints, and presuming those were even more numerous if the CCP decision remains unchanged... just curious now, how many of such complaints were made?..
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Roba
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Posted - 2003.09.03 08:46:00 -
[363]
/signed
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Blueblooded
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Posted - 2003.09.03 08:47:00 -
[364]
Yes!! bring the news to the people of EVE!
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"The royal blood is blue, hence my name"
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Eldariel
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Posted - 2003.09.03 08:52:00 -
[365]
Edited by: Eldariel on 03/09/2003 09:10:32
Quote: How come no TTI people want the Scope back?
I'd love to see it back - was a great read ... definitely a valued addition to the content imho
For the record, as far as I can tell the execs at TTI have no knowledge of a complaint originating from within TTI on this issue. Conspiracy theorists will dispute this of course... but such is life
Sounds like the new functionality Pann described will be a good step forward though ...
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Shauna
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Posted - 2003.09.03 08:55:00 -
[366]
/signed |
Raidek
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Posted - 2003.09.03 09:03:00 -
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The scope was one of the best things ever to come out of Polaris. Its a shame that it was removed because of political correctness.
-Raidek CEO, Sinister Corp. Proud Member of the Curse Alliance http://www.afraidyet.net |
Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.09.03 09:05:00 -
[368]
>> * Polaris is supposed to 'remain neutral and not become involved', yet at the same time there's dedicated branch of Polaris whose sole function is to interact with the players and to get them involved in CCP-organized events. >>
I have to agree with that, by that argument no Polaris staff member should ever take part in an event as an actor. Let's say I was an actor and I decided I had 4 enemies one of which is a primary-character enemy. Do I attack him first taking tha chance at a bit of revenge? Do I not attack him, hoping to avoid the accusation that I've targetted for reasons outside the role but in so doing cut him from the event?
If Scope can't be associated with Polaris, just split them up - make Scope an NPC corp where the members have no special benefits at all.
As to the bulletins idea - yes, great and it will be much appreciated and it does sound really cool. BUT it is not the same as the scope articles. Are we now going to be subjected to hundreds of 40 word semi-literate 'adverts' about how Corp X (apologies if there is a Corp X :-) ) Ownz Corp Y? And assuming these are going to be filtered, what happens when people claim discrimination when their article doesn't appear?
I want to read full articles and stories, well written and integrated into the game and forums. Scope was half the story, player stuff on the bulletin boards is the other half. If I had to lose one half it would have to be the bulletins.
I would say that the only thing you need to do is guarantee the right of response to people who are mentioned in articles. Just like was done in the case of Ragnar's interview after the Venal one. That is all that is required.
One would hope that player opinion counts for a lot, so far almost all have supported Scope. Doesn't that mean anything at all?
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Doomheim - EVE's only hygiene! |
Stryke
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Posted - 2003.09.03 09:10:00 -
[369]
Signed.
Normally I am just a reader. Not a poster.
But I agree, I enjoyed reading what was on the scope. It should be brought back.
------- "Even a blind Squirrel finds a nut every now and then"
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Payn Bringer
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Posted - 2003.09.03 09:52:00 -
[370]
I hear ye!
Bring back 'e scope
Quote: If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared. Niccolo Machiavelli (1469 - 1527)
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ga'ia
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Posted - 2003.09.03 10:08:00 -
[371]
Edited by: ga'ia on 03/09/2003 11:46:01 /signed __________________________________________________________ |
xeno calligan
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Posted - 2003.09.03 10:13:00 -
[372]
/signed
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Claus
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Posted - 2003.09.03 10:26:00 -
[373]
Please bring it back.
Signed! ------------- You have to go out of your mind from time to time to stay sane. |
Ferdinand Magellan
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Posted - 2003.09.03 10:31:00 -
[374]
Please bring it back. -------------------- Ferdinand Magellan Stellar Cartographer |
Xamand
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Posted - 2003.09.03 10:31:00 -
[375]
/signed
Xamand CEO Cirrius Technologies |
Koan
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Posted - 2003.09.03 11:00:00 -
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Coloured or not coloured, they are anyhow less slighted for a particular corporation than any player reports! And as stated before: Player created content is 10 times more interesting than any ôartificialö event could ever be. And who is to report about them? The winning/loosing corp??
BRING BACK THE SCOPE!!
/signed. ---------------------------------- The lord said: Let there be light, and there was... ...StarLight
Koan - The source of wisdom -< StarLight Inc. >- |
Khand
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Posted - 2003.09.03 11:14:00 -
[377]
/me puts pen to paper.
I really do wonder what happens in the puzzle palace sometimes.
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Seer
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Posted - 2003.09.03 11:14:00 -
[378]
signed ---------------------------------------------------
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Everfire
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Posted - 2003.09.03 11:16:00 -
[379]
BRING IT BACK!!!
Sorry ccp, much more interesting and you kill the community by doing this.
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Waxer
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Posted - 2003.09.03 11:16:00 -
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brign it back! absolutely.
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Helison
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Posted - 2003.09.03 11:29:00 -
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Quote: The Scope is still here, although the purpose it serves is to keep the players informed about events and happenings related to the officially sanctioned events produced by CCP and the Aurora Project, the branch of Polaris that does events.
This is a good beginning, but not enough as official events are rare.
Quote: The reason for disallowing The Scope to include player events, gossip and politics is that Polaris must remain neutral and not become involved with player happenings.
Why? It would be a argument if Polaris hadn¦t the time to report about player events. But who else can report as neutral as possible as The Scope? A player corp, who is involved in a war? LOL
Bring back the full Scope! *already signed*
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kelltoo
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Posted - 2003.09.03 11:43:00 -
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/signed
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2003.09.03 11:51:00 -
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You should have learnt by now that no matter what you do, "some" players will moan. Some players will take it as their mission to stop anything worthwhile.
I would much rather have an official view (even if its biased or not) on player events than none at all.
I've no idea what goes on in the majority of the eve universe because I don't have time to follow and read every post made. The scope provided a great way to read a few posts and obtain a general overview.
Reporting on just eve official events is pointless, we've already got the eve news for that and many discussions that will occur in the senate.
Also if a report is seen as biased then let people fight it out in the senate forums. You can generally read between the lines in the majority of threads.
I say bring back scope. An official "player" news network is greatly required. Rather than taking your ball home, listen to the critisms you get and try to improve, and simply discard any insults.
You'll soon find that the majority of people who post are those with something to complain about, players who are satisfied with things will not generally post to say well done. (Unless of course you stop doing it)
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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Albar Gray
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Posted - 2003.09.03 11:56:00 -
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The scope was the first forum i've found that consolidated the news into an easy to read selection without all the usual junk posts.
If an individual corp is mentioned, just give the chance to view the article. If they have an issue, let them add a reply to the item.
Don't let the rich buy their way out of having their underhand dealings aired in public. Stand up for your rights as reporters to speak the truth.
----------------------------------------------- IÆm not schizophrenic... ThatÆs my alt
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.09.03 12:19:00 -
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As far as I'm concerned, The Scope can tell everyone 'Drunkenmaster fondles hamsters in the back of his Osprey', and I'd still vote for them to stay. They have made a number of mistakes (mainly not asking the 'alledged' if what they are about to print is true (case in point: TTi giving pirates free BS's (where's mine?))) but I've not seen a news source that doesn't make mistakes.
My vote is in: Bring back the scope. .
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.03 12:26:00 -
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Quote: As far as I'm concerned, The Scope can tell everyone 'Drunkenmaster fondles hamsters in the back of his Osprey'
My God! That's just sick, perverted, and inhumane!
You actually fly an Osprey?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
daedulus
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Posted - 2003.09.03 12:50:00 -
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/signed
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Pann
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Posted - 2003.09.03 13:11:00 -
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Please see Interstellar Correspondents Wanted to learn more about the upcoming news service that's in development.
Eve Community Manager [email protected] CCP |
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