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Pragda
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.10.22 21:44:00 -
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Hey, I currently am looking for a small loan to buy a Tengu. This loan would go for a month, and would have no collateral. How much interest should I give for it? |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
224
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Posted - 2013.10.22 21:53:00 -
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might as well offer 10000000000% for all the interest you are likely to attract with that OP. shoot me if i am wrong what do i know Marriage: The reason we build bars Galen Tyrol |
Pragda
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.10.22 22:02:00 -
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Okay, I want to use it in null with the corp I plan on joining. I'll be running Guristas anomalies for ISK. What other information would you like? |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
96
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Posted - 2013.10.22 22:45:00 -
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How do we know you can fly a Tengu, how do we know you're really joining a corp, how do we know our investment will be safe, and you will pay us back? .
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Death ToU
Screaming Hayabusa
33
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Posted - 2013.10.22 23:04:00 -
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Just fly a drake, then buy your own tengu. Isn't worth the hassle coming in here dude. They'll be asking you to be audited next. |
Nanatoa
364
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Posted - 2013.10.22 23:30:00 -
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So you had 5B to buy this character, but not 500M to buy a ship?
Should've spent your money more wisely then... "Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
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Pragda
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.10.22 23:49:00 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:How do we know you can fly a Tengu, how do we know you're really joining a corp, how do we know our investment will be safe, and you will pay us back?
I can give you my eveboard: http://eveboard.com/pilot/Pragda
I can ask again when I'm in the corp then? Investment being safe is always an issue as this is my first loan request, and I will pay you back by running anomalies in Null space. Interest payment will be every week and on the last week the 500m will also be payed back. |
okoolos rimmer
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2013.10.22 23:56:00 -
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Dimitrix is back .. yay I have to give you points for persistance .. this is what .. 4th loan attempt? lol
how about next time you came up with something a little more original. Your regular MO is getting a tad stale.. |
Pragda
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.10.23 00:20:00 -
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I would come up with something original if I was trying to scam people. I would like a loan to buy a Tengu now that I have my tengu char |
okoolos rimmer
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2013.10.23 00:41:00 -
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"Investment being safe is always an issue as this is my first loan request"
gotta admire the balls.... |
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Gihl Steghern
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.10.23 03:07:00 -
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You've been a good sport so I'm not going to give you a hard time, Dimitrix, but I am very curious: you were originally offering 6 billion for a HAM Tengu pilot and ended up buying one for 5 billion so don't you have 1 billion left over to purchase your new Tengu?
I am considering helping you out since you showed some level of commitment by actually purchasing a character but I'm also concerned that your plan has shifted from incursions with a corp that has a SRP to running nullsec anoms with your new corp.
What is your plan for repayment in the event that your ship gets blown up? |
Pragda
Verkarth Auron
0
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Posted - 2013.10.23 12:06:00 -
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Gihl Steghern wrote:You've been a good sport so I'm not going to give you a hard time, Dimitrix, but I am very curious: you were originally offering 6 billion for a HAM Tengu pilot and ended up buying one for 5 billion so don't you have 1 billion left over to purchase your new Tengu?
I am considering helping you out since you showed some level of commitment by actually purchasing a character but I'm also concerned that your plan has shifted from incursions with a corp that has a SRP to running nullsec anoms with your new corp.
What is your plan for repayment in the event that your ship gets blown up?
I only had 5.6 bil when I bought the Pilot. I have already bought 1 Tengu and the 500m is for buying a second. One Tengu will stay in high sec for incursions with the incursion group WTM which offers a SRP. The second Tengu will be for null anom running. This is to cover any potential nullsec loss and allow me to return to high sec temporarily to get the isk from incursions if needed. |
Nanatoa
365
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Posted - 2013.10.23 12:27:00 -
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Why is your own Tengu staying in high sec while the one funded by an investor will go to null sec? And, why for heaven's sake don't you run a couple of incursions with the Tengu you have and then buy another Tengu with your own, well-earned money? "Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
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Pragda
Verkarth Auron
0
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Posted - 2013.10.23 12:34:00 -
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Nanatoa wrote:Why is your own Tengu staying in high sec while the one funded by an investor will go to null sec? And, why for heaven's sake don't you run a couple of incursions with the Tengu you have and then buy another Tengu with your own, well-earned money?
1. Why is your own Tengu staying in high sec while the one funded by an investor will go to null sec?
What determines "my tengu" and "investor tengu"? They're both worth the same, other than the null will be fitted slightly different than the incursion Tengu.
2. And, why for heaven's sake don't you run a couple of incursions with the Tengu you have and then buy another Tengu with your own, well-earned money?
And because I would prefer to make the isk in null sec, the incursions are just a back up that I know will work if needed. If you do not want to fill the loan, that is ok. But please don't say don't ask for the loan, because any person who has asked for a loan before could earn the isk needed themselves, but they just don't want to wait that long. |
Logical Chaos
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
63
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Posted - 2013.10.23 12:36:00 -
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Please leave M&D. Kkthxbye |
Pragda
Verkarth Auron
0
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Posted - 2013.10.23 12:42:00 -
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I rather like it here though |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1509
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Posted - 2013.10.23 12:43:00 -
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Logical Chaos wrote:Please leave M&D. Kkthxbye
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
96
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Posted - 2013.10.23 12:57:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:Logical Chaos wrote:Please leave M&D. Kkthxbye
I agree with this statement. .
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Nanatoa
365
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Posted - 2013.10.23 14:34:00 -
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Pragda wrote:[the incursions are just a back up that I know will work if needed
If you know they'll work, better start doing them because - SPOILER ALERT - this loan is not going to happen - END SPOILER ALERT.
"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
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Setsune Rin
Bite Me inc Bitten.
99
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Posted - 2013.10.23 14:45:00 -
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Nanatoa wrote:Pragda wrote:[the incursions are just a back up that I know will work if needed If you know they'll work, better start doing them because - SPOILER ALERT - this loan is not going to happen - END SPOILER ALERT.
Logical Chaos wrote:Please leave M&D. Kkthxbye
i agree with both these two statements, how you manage to reason this proposal to yourself at all is beyond my comprehension.
i'd go and have myself tested if something as stupid as this were to even cross my mind
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
487
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Posted - 2013.10.23 22:16:00 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The rules: 2. Be respectful toward others at all times.
The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others.
4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.
5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. ISD Ezwal Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Amadeus Gaila
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.10.24 11:54:00 -
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He cannot fly a tengu, especially in nullsec.
Here is the killmaill of his recent Tengu Loss on the last tengu char he bought and failed miserably.
Toon Name: Airuta Hita Loss Value: 1bn+ Killmail: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=20489999
You can track him down on the forum see how Dimitrix Solette, the scammer, bought Airuta Hita the tengu pilot, (and even tried scamming with him too!!)
The people he scammed in Jita local tracked him down and put a very high bounty on his head as soon he acquired that tengu. Got blown up with the faction modules in no time.
Besides, he is not the type of person you want to do business with. He is not a man of his word, not trustworthy, and does not treat people the way he would like to be treated. |
Gihl Steghern
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.10.24 17:21:00 -
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Pragda reached out to me in-game and volunteered a full account API for review. While this of course only reflects the activities on a single account, when I take this into consideration combined with commitment (character purchase), improved attitude and persistence, I am going to go out on a limb and offer a loan. Worst case I'm out half a billion ISK and Dimitrix has publicly solidified his reputation.
Pragda, I am prepared to offer you a loan of 500 million ISK on the following terms:
- The amount to be borrowed is 500,000,000 ISK
- I will charge a flat interest rate of 21.7% on the principal amount
- The total amount of repayment including principal and interest will be 608,328,000 ISK
- This loan will be repaid in four equal installments of 152,082,000 ISK per week
- Payment #1 in the amount of 152,082,000 ISK is due by the end of November 1, 2013
- Payment #2 in the amount of 152,082,000 ISK is due by the end of November 8, 2013
- Payment #3 in the amount of 152,082,000 ISK is due by the end of November 15, 2013
- Payment #4 in the amount of 152,082,000 ISK is due by the end of November 22, 2013
- You will post on this thread to indicate when each payment has been made and I will confirm receipt of each payment
- After all above payments are received this loan will be considered to have been paid in full and I will report such on this thread
These terms may seem slightly aggressive but I think they're fair considering your current position. I have no recourse in the case of default other than to confirm what the rest of MD is thinking right now and endure their criticism. I sincerely hope that this works out satisfactorily for both of us.
If these terms will work for you and you are confident that this is what you want to do, I will transfer the ISK today. |
Braxus Deninard
Sky Fighters
237
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Posted - 2013.10.24 17:25:00 -
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What's even dumber than the Tengu loss is that OP actually thinks he could get a loan. Threads like this only ever end up in mocking the OP, and for good reason. Loans do not happen in EvE unless between close friends or people who know each other in RL. |
Pragda
Verkarth Auron
0
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Posted - 2013.10.24 17:45:00 -
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Gihl Steghern wrote:Pragda reached out to me in-game and volunteered a full account API for review. While this of course only reflects the activities on a single account, when I take this into consideration combined with commitment (character purchase), improved attitude and persistence, I am going to go out on a limb and offer a loan. Worst case I'm out half a billion ISK and Dimitrix has publicly solidified his reputation. Pragda, I am prepared to offer you a loan of 500 million ISK on the following terms:
- The amount to be borrowed is 500,000,000 ISK
- I will charge a flat interest rate of 21.7% on the principal amount
- The total amount of repayment including principal and interest will be 608,328,000 ISK
- This loan will be repaid in four equal installments of 152,082,000 ISK per week
- Payment #1 in the amount of 152,082,000 ISK is due by the end of November 1, 2013
- Payment #2 in the amount of 152,082,000 ISK is due by the end of November 8, 2013
- Payment #3 in the amount of 152,082,000 ISK is due by the end of November 15, 2013
- Payment #4 in the amount of 152,082,000 ISK is due by the end of November 22, 2013
- You will post on this thread to indicate when each payment has been made and I will confirm receipt of each payment
- After all above payments are received this loan will be considered to have been paid in full and I will report such on this thread
These terms may seem slightly aggressive but I think they're fair considering your current position. I have no recourse in the case of default other than to confirm what the rest of MD is thinking right now and endure their criticism. I sincerely hope that this works out satisfactorily for both of us. If these terms will work for you and you are confident that this is what you want to do, I will transfer the ISK today.
Thank you very much. These terms work out for me considering my position. I will not be in game for a few more hours (probably 6). I assume if It will be okay to pay back the loan earlier if I make two payments back in a week? |
Gihl Steghern
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.10.24 18:50:00 -
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That would be correct: early payment is always welcome. There would however be no resulting recalculation of interest since this is a flat rate loan.
If everything is acceptable including this stipulation, please let me know and I will plan to transfer the ISK within the next few hours. |
Pragda
Verkarth Auron
0
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Posted - 2013.10.24 18:53:00 -
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Yes this is acceptable |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
96
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Posted - 2013.10.24 21:43:00 -
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I hope losing ISK is fun you Gihl, because going by the OP's track record (rather that of his 3 other characters he has either attempted to scam with or procure a loan on this forum) you won't get getting any money back. .
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Nanatoa
370
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Posted - 2013.10.24 22:04:00 -
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People like Gihl are why people like Dimitrix keep trying. Posting is free and eventually, someone will take the bait.
To discourage this kind of behaviour, I have placed a 500M bounty on Gihl Steghern. "Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
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Gihl Steghern
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.10.25 00:11:00 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:I hope losing ISK is fun you Gihl, because going by the OP's track record (rather that of his 3 other characters he has either attempted to scam with or procure a loan on this forum) you won't get getting any money back. I enjoy exploring human nature so I've had fun either way.
Nanatoa wrote:People like Gihl are why people like Dimitrix keep trying. Posting is free and eventually, someone will take the bait.
To discourage this kind of behaviour, I have placed a 500M bounty on Gihl Steghern. Your input is noted and I appreciate the gesture, thank you! I'll be sure to keep it in mind when I undock in 2057 or so.
ISK sent. Let's see where this goes. |
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Pragda
Verkarth Auron
0
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Posted - 2013.10.25 00:13:00 -
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Isk received. First payment will be on November 1st at the latest |
Amadeus Gaila
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.10.25 00:38:00 -
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Gihl Steghern wrote:Elizabeth Norn wrote:I hope losing ISK is fun you Gihl, because going by the OP's track record (rather that of his 3 other characters he has either attempted to scam with or procure a loan on this forum) you won't get getting any money back. I enjoy exploring human nature so I've had fun either way.
You are wasting time exploring what has already been explored. Invest your intelligence somewhere else, where people haven't done any months worth of research and diagnosing 'human nature'. Don't hate me for it but all what you explored is how naive you are.
Unfortunately, i will join Nanatoa and place another 250m bounty on your head to discourage giving loans to scammers. Nothing personal.
Another 500m to follow on Pragda's head.
At least he learned to say thank you! |
Hyperspatia Lee
Hither and Yon
10
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Posted - 2013.10.25 00:53:00 -
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Amadeus Gaila wrote:...Another 500m to follow on Pragda's head...
Hey, won't that bounty hurt Pragda's chances of keeping his Tengu in one piece?
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OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
234
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Posted - 2013.10.25 02:05:00 -
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--popcorn-- |
Nanatoa
371
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Posted - 2013.10.25 05:24:00 -
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Gihl Steghern wrote:Your input is noted and I appreciate the gesture, thank you! I'll be sure to keep it in mind when I undock in 2057 or so.
And yet my 500M is probably better spent than yours.
"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1409
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Posted - 2013.10.25 09:10:00 -
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Gihl really did turn around quickly. I mean from: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3757524#post3757524 to "Have my isk, free!" in like 5 days.
Also note that Pragda and Dimitrix seem to be trying to remove their association. The character bazaar thread has been edited out and had a request for deletion. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3783367 The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
506
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Posted - 2013.10.25 21:30:00 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
As for the reasons why, read my earlier post. ISD Ezwal Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1409
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Posted - 2013.10.25 22:02:00 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
As for the reasons why, read my earlier post. Wait, what? Could you confirm what was rule breaking about posts that question the legitimacy of a player requesting an uncollateralised loan? If you now read though this thread, it reads as if there were never a question to the legitimacy of the request. You've also removed all references to the true identity of the borrower. So could you please point me to the rule that states that a moderator can choose to help a scammer hide his identity and scam freely on the forum?
Just look at the content that was removed, none of it breaking any rules I can see: http://www.eve-search.com/thread/289096-1/page/all
Oh and could you confirm, by mail or here, how I can go about reporting what I would consider to be moderation that falls outside of the scope of legitimate forum moderation?
Cheers. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
okoolos rimmer
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2013.10.25 22:38:00 -
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I second that. After this "moderation" the thread doesn't really make sense anymore. |
Nanatoa
371
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Posted - 2013.10.26 00:30:00 -
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Why was my reference to him buying the character removed? This is very relevant information in MD; it speaks to the mindset of the player, specifically the fluiditiy of his identity (a more fluid identity meaning a higher risk of a default, whereas a strong sense identity would signify higher chance of honouring agreements). Furthermore the fact that the person requesting the loan just spent 10 times that amount on something else is very relevant. What are the odds that someone spending 5B really can't come up with 500M himself? If he could come up with 500M himself but prefers a loan, why is this? The answer affects the risk of default on the loan. And surely the suggestion that he should spend his money more wisely isn't a personal attack of any kind? It's honest (and free!) advice! "Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
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RAW23
297
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Posted - 2013.10.26 01:36:00 -
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Just so it is clear to future readers, the mod has unaccountably removed posts which definitively show that the OP was sold to a well known try-hard scammer, information that is readily available in the character bazaar. This information also demonstrates that the OP is lying in his 'first' request for a loan. Other people identifying him as such have also had their posts removed even though the OP has replied to questions directed at his real character. Other people who have asked the OP to stop spamming the forum have also had their posts removed for 'trolling' whereas a little investigation would show that it is the OP who is trolling the forum. Other posts removed include one citing a killmail showing that the OP cannot be trusted to safely fly the ship he is asking for investments to purchase.
I can only conclude that either the Mod has mistaken this forum for Sell Orders, where critical discussion is not allowed, or has taken complete leave of his senses, as he is encouraging others to do by doctoring the thread in this appalling manner in order to conceal the OPs well-documented dishonesty.
Obviously, the full story can be found on eve-search where the arbitrary hands of the moderating team cannot reach. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
RAW23
297
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Posted - 2013.10.26 01:39:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:
Oh and could you confirm, by mail or here, how I can go about reporting what I would consider to be moderation that falls outside of the scope of legitimate forum moderation?
Cheers.
I would suggest reporting his post for vandalism. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
Amadeus Gaila
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.10.26 01:45:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:ISD Ezwal wrote:I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
As for the reasons why, read my earlier post. Wait, what? Could you confirm what was rule breaking about posts that question the legitimacy of a player requesting an uncollateralised loan? If you now read though this thread, it reads as if there were never a question to the legitimacy of the request. You've also removed all references to the true identity of the borrower. So could you please point me to the rule that states that a moderator can choose to help a scammer hide his identity and scam freely on the forum? Just look at the content that was removed, none of it breaking any rules I can see: http://www.eve-search.com/thread/289096-1/page/allOh and could you confirm, by mail or here, how I can go about reporting what I would consider to be moderation that falls outside of the scope of legitimate forum moderation? Cheers.
Agreed.
Pragda aka the scammer Dominix Inkura aka the scammer Dimitrix Solette formerly aka Airuta Hita has probably been talking in private to the ISD trying to gain his sympathy. Manipulating people, that's what he does.
We are only concerned about the transparency of all the transaction in this game, ISD. No hard feelings. Help us keep it this way.
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RAW23
298
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Posted - 2013.10.26 01:53:00 -
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And just to help the mod see who is trolling, here are the OPs recent continuous stream of threads which have been clogging up the forum for weeks:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3757633#post3757633
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=274885
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3502065#post3502065
This ones great - he literally announces he is taking advantage of people who don't pay attention, something the mod is now helping make a lot harder:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3460224#post3460224
This one is more or less identical to the current spam thread:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3443095#post3443095
as is this one:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=258362
Then there's this one:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3440955#post3440955
When will the madness end?! There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1554
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Posted - 2013.10.26 10:45:00 -
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One calls that 'moderation as usuall' , lately it's been getting worse and worse in my own experience.Getting posts removed wich are VERRY much on topic and yet in that same post stuff that is pure trolling isn't touched at all.
Had a guy bumping his char sale thread for 6 times or so in one day while also spamming ingame channels of all sorts.Six hours after i petitioned it there still was no mod intervention so i took it on myself to post in the thread telling the guy to quit bumping his threads and mostly quit spamming ingame channels with that crap.Guess what , my post got removed and the guy just got clearance to bump it a few more times that same day till his char was sold.
Made it clear to me , screw the rules if they are not the same for everyone .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
96
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Posted - 2013.10.26 14:04:00 -
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When creating posts you could link any relevant forum rules that specifically allow what you are saying, or link to threads where moderation has been performed and similar posts to yours have been allowed.
Also there is a Support Ticket category "Game Masters & ISD" under the "Rules & Policies" group for "...questions and complaint about the Game Masters and ISD Volunteers". .
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1516
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Posted - 2013.10.26 14:10:00 -
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It's funny because if the "other side" had done the initial reporting, then it would the all the OP's posts that would have been removed. Always report first, ask questions later. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1555
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Posted - 2013.10.26 14:27:00 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:When creating posts you could link any relevant forum rules that specifically allow what you are saying, or link to threads where moderation has been performed and similar posts to yours have been allowed to stay (preferably with someone saying that they are okay).
Also there is a Support Ticket category "Game Masters & ISD" under the "Rules & Policies" group for "...questions and complaint about the Game Masters and ISD Volunteers".
Thank you mister spock ....
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
237
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Posted - 2013.10.26 15:40:00 -
[49] - Quote
In reference to the OP, I am restarting my old initiative. Anyone interested in investing can feel free to give me their money. I will take it, spend it on T2 ships to run missions in low sec, and post the results in the thread. When I lose the ship because I am the worst PVPer in EVE (seriously, look at my killboard), I will promptly default on the loan. This way you can enjoy all of the upsides and excitement of investing while still being told immediately that you have lost your money instead of needing to wait a few months.
Let me know, people! |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2424
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Posted - 2013.10.27 23:00:00 -
[50] - Quote
Folks,
Discussing moderation is not permitted and abusing ISD and CCP staff is also against the rules.
However, I have submitted this thread to CCP for review which requires me to lock it for the time being. Hopefully, we will hear back from them very soon.
Thanks for your patience. ISD Suvetar Captain/Commando Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
2908
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Posted - 2013.10.28 17:25:00 -
[51] - Quote
The original post violates none of the forum's rules and moderation has removed off-topic posts that are not related to the content of the original post. If you have any issues with moderation, please file a support ticket about it. EVE Online/DUST 514 Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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Private Pineapple
Tea And Sympathy Ltd. Liability Reckless Ambition
433
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Posted - 2013.10.28 17:40:00 -
[52] - Quote
Nanatoa wrote:Gihl Steghern wrote:Your input is noted and I appreciate the gesture, thank you! I'll be sure to keep it in mind when I undock in 2057 or so. And yet my 500M is probably better spent than yours.
This is a common misconception. Your 500m is likely to remain untouched on a Market Discussions forum alt as a bounty. However, Gihl Steghern's 500m will do one of three things:
1) Make Gihl Steghern more money 2) Make Pragda more money 3) Make both of them more money
Your 500m will make no one more money and has effectively zero value as a bounty on a forum alt.
Either ways I would have thrown Pragda the 500m if I knew it'd elicit such a response from you. I am the Kingpin of the Crime and Punishment forum. |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
96
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Posted - 2013.10.28 17:43:00 -
[53] - Quote
CCP Eterne wrote:The original post violates none of the forum's rules and moderation has removed off-topic posts that are not related to the content of the original post. If you have any issues with moderation, please file a support ticket about it.
I would just like to clarify that while no rules were broken (scamming or making a series terrible posts isn't against the rules), this is not an endorsement of the OP by CCP. People have made that mistake before.
Private Pineapple wrote:Nanatoa wrote:Gihl Steghern wrote:Your input is noted and I appreciate the gesture, thank you! I'll be sure to keep it in mind when I undock in 2057 or so. And yet my 500M is probably better spent than yours. This is a common misconception. Your 500m is likely to remain untouched on a Market Discussions forum alt as a bounty. However, Gihl Steghern's 500m will do one of three things: 1) Make Gihl Steghern more money 2) Make Pragda more money 3) Make both of them more money Your 500m will make no one more money and has effectively zero value as a bounty on a forum alt. Either ways I would have thrown Pragda the 500m if I knew it'd elicit such a response from you.
I look forward to see you throwing 500m at dubious loan requests in the future, I imagine there will be a lot more. .
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RAW23
304
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Posted - 2013.10.28 18:09:00 -
[54] - Quote
CCP Eterne wrote:The original post violates none of the forum's rules and moderation has removed off-topic posts that are not related to the content of the original post. If you have any issues with moderation, please file a support ticket about it.
The OP may not violate any rules but the claim that the posts that have been removed do so is complete nonsense. Calling out scammers is a regular part of the business of this forum and removing posts that do so is unacceptable. If you are unable to see that, well, that's a shame but if you turn this into actual policy rather than just making an excuse for an obvious error you will have completely killed the loan and banking market for this game. It may be in the doldrums at the moment but it has, at times, provided some of the most impressive emergent elements in eve. It would be a pity to see that go because the mods are not able to understand the cultures of the forums they moderate. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
Nanatoa
379
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Posted - 2013.10.28 20:56:00 -
[55] - Quote
Private Pineapple wrote:Nanatoa wrote:Gihl Steghern wrote:Your input is noted and I appreciate the gesture, thank you! I'll be sure to keep it in mind when I undock in 2057 or so. And yet my 500M is probably better spent than yours. This is a common misconception. Your 500m is likely to remain untouched on a Market Discussions forum alt as a bounty. However, Gihl Steghern's 500m will do one of three things: 1) Make Gihl Steghern more money 2) Make Pragda more money 3) Make both of them more money Your 500m will make no one more money and has effectively zero value as a bounty on a forum alt.
But isk does not exist just to make more isk. It is not like the only value you can get out of isk is the creation of more isk; there's entertainment value, and community value. (That's assuming isk has value to me - and I'm not sure it does.) "Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
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Gihl Steghern
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.10.29 01:51:00 -
[56] - Quote
Nanatoa wrote:But isk does not exist just to make more isk. It is not like the only value you can get out of isk is the creation of more isk; there's entertainment value, and community value. (That's assuming isk has value to me - and I'm not sure it does.)
While we may be gently butting heads about the finer points of this particular transaction, I completely agree with your point here. I sit at my computer sometimes wondering what to do with my ISK next. I'm personally receiving decent entertainment value for my ISK and the final outcome of the transaction should have some community value no matter how it turns out. |
Karen Avioras
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
10
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Posted - 2013.11.01 19:57:00 -
[57] - Quote
So..where the payment at? |
Vilton
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.11.01 21:05:00 -
[58] - Quote
Karen Avioras wrote:So..where the payment at?
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Karen Avioras
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
14
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Posted - 2013.11.02 11:54:00 -
[59] - Quote
I'll just post this here...
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3817402#post3817402 |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
273
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Posted - 2013.11.02 14:50:00 -
[60] - Quote
Some people in this thread (and his several other of his threads) need to get into the psychic industry asap. You will make a fortune. Also the bounty on his head seems to be lowering the sale value of his char so good job on that here is a list of all the fiat currencies that didn't end up at zero value.....and here is a list of the places where a currency pegged to a real commodity has successfully co-existed with compound interest....-á Here is a physics professor explaining why sustainable growth isn't a thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY |
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OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
253
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Posted - 2013.11.02 15:02:00 -
[61] - Quote
You'll find we've gotten pretty good at sniffing them out here. Particularly the Great Old Ones like RAW23. |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1590
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Posted - 2013.11.02 15:13:00 -
[62] - Quote
OllieNorth wrote:You'll find we've gotten pretty good at sniffing them out here. Particularly the Great Old Ones like RAW23.
Crap , if he is old ... then wtf am i ?
Thanks for making me feel like a dying dino now
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
253
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Posted - 2013.11.02 15:22:00 -
[63] - Quote
flakeys wrote:OllieNorth wrote:You'll find we've gotten pretty good at sniffing them out here. Particularly the Great Old Ones like RAW23. Crap , if he is old ... then wtf am i ? Thanks for making me feel like a dying dino now
I don't have a term for 'Not Quite Petrified Old One'. |
Gihl Steghern
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2013.11.02 16:29:00 -
[64] - Quote
As expected by everyone involved, this loan is now considered to be in default. Although of course Dimitrix could suddenly reappear with an excuse about being sick or out of town and make good on the loan. Not holding my breath on that one but I've been surprised before.
Regardless, I did get what I wanted out of it and consider the 500m well spent.
Thanks again to everyone who has provided feedback and intel during this endeavour. |
Amadeus Gaila
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.11.02 16:39:00 -
[65] - Quote
You paid 500m for what i was trying to tell you for free the whole time.
Hope the ISDs now know why they should take their time before deleting posts that warn about scammers.
For those wondering, you can read the whole discussion on eve-search forums; thread with the same exact title as this.
Better luck next time Gihl, and thanks for the good sportsmanship. |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
97
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:39:00 -
[66] - Quote
Gihl Steghern wrote:As expected by everyone involved, this loan is now considered to be in default. Although of course Dimitrix could suddenly reappear with an excuse about being sick or out of town and make good on the loan. Not holding my breath on that one but I've been surprised before.
Regardless, I did get what I wanted out of it and consider the 500m well spent.
Thanks again to everyone who has provided feedback and intel during this endeavour.
What a surprise . .
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RAW23
423
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Posted - 2013.11.02 20:17:00 -
[67] - Quote
OllieNorth wrote:flakeys wrote:OllieNorth wrote:You'll find we've gotten pretty good at sniffing them out here. Particularly the Great Old Ones like RAW23. Crap , if he is old ... then wtf am i ? Thanks for making me feel like a dying dino now I don't have a term for 'Not Quite Petrified Old One'.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh flakeys Jita wgah'nagl fhtagn There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
Karen Avioras
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
17
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Posted - 2013.11.02 22:23:00 -
[68] - Quote
Gihl Steghern wrote:As expected by everyone involved, this loan is now considered to be in default. Although of course Dimitrix could suddenly reappear with an excuse about being sick or out of town and make good on the loan. Not holding my breath on that one but I've been surprised before.
Regardless, I did get what I wanted out of it and consider the 500m well spent.
Thanks again to everyone who has provided feedback and intel during this endeavour.
I hardly doubt that since he is in the WTM Incursion channel right now trying to get in on some with Dimixtrix Inkura. |
Kierann Brownn
Tactical Soldiers Academy Nulli Tertius
1
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Posted - 2013.11.02 23:43:00 -
[69] - Quote
Gihl Steghern, I have a chat log of him saying he sold the 2 Tengus and spent the isk. He also got a loan off someone for a Mach for incursions.
Contact me if you want it. |
Pragda
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.11.02 23:57:00 -
[70] - Quote
I have defaulted on the loan. Sorry Buddy Invite Program: 21 Day Trial + 450m ISK + Lifelong Advice: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3815770#post3815770
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okoolos rimmer
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2013.11.03 00:50:00 -
[71] - Quote
lol I don't think you are.. |
Gihl Steghern
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2013.11.03 00:52:00 -
[72] - Quote
GASP! No worries, thank you for the shocking heads up Dimitrix. I had fun monitoring your account API for the duration. Still trying to make sense of all those numerous 450m transfers to various characters. Would you care to provide any insight just to close the loop? |
Pragda
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.11.03 01:00:00 -
[73] - Quote
Those are actually buddy invite payments. Did you notice I offer to pay 450m for signing up under my link? Buddy Invite Program: 21 Day Trial + 450m ISK + Lifelong Advice: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3815770#post3815770
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okoolos rimmer
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2013.11.03 01:18:00 -
[74] - Quote
I for one hope that after this you'll finally go away and won't waste any more of our time by trying to get yet another loan.
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RAW23
423
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Posted - 2013.11.03 09:42:00 -
[75] - Quote
okoolos rimmer wrote:I for one hope that after this you'll finally go away and won't waste any more of our time by trying to get yet another loan.
Why would he do that when people continue to encourage him by giving him money? There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
97
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Posted - 2013.11.03 12:59:00 -
[76] - Quote
okoolos rimmer wrote:I for one hope that after this you'll finally go away and won't waste any more of our time by trying to get yet another loan.
Imagine you've been fishing in a sandbox with a fishing rod made of chocolate (the melt in the mouth kind) and liquorice for several hours, then suddenly you catch a couple of large, rather dumb but tasty looking fish in a short period of time, would you stop right then? .
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RAW23
427
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Posted - 2013.11.03 13:08:00 -
[77] - Quote
Elizabeth Norn wrote:okoolos rimmer wrote:I for one hope that after this you'll finally go away and won't waste any more of our time by trying to get yet another loan. Imagine you've been fishing in a sandbox with a fishing rod made of chocolate (the melt in the mouth kind) and liquorice for several hours, then suddenly you catch a couple of large, rather dumb but tasty looking fish in a short period of time, would you stop right then?
On the upside, it looks like he is ready to eat a 1.2bil loss on the character he used for this scam. That is assuming he can sell it for the same price he bought it for (the loss coming from the 2 plex transfer fee); at the moment it looks like his loss may be bigger. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
Nanatoa
410
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Posted - 2013.11.03 17:57:00 -
[78] - Quote
RAW23 wrote:okoolos rimmer wrote:I for one hope that after this you'll finally go away and won't waste any more of our time by trying to get yet another loan. Why would he do that when people continue to encourage him by giving him money? This. Encouraging scammers by giving them easy money is like giving a big 'f you' to the community.
"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
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Amadeus Gaila
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.11.03 18:16:00 -
[79] - Quote
A bigger "F You" to the community is when an ISD haphazardly decides to delete posts warning about scammers a few hours before the scam takes place...just because he can. |
Fragem666
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.11.04 21:18:00 -
[80] - Quote
Ill loan you the money but you have to give me a PLEX as colloteral |
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OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
253
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Posted - 2013.11.04 21:50:00 -
[81] - Quote
RAW23 wrote:OllieNorth wrote:flakeys wrote:OllieNorth wrote:You'll find we've gotten pretty good at sniffing them out here. Particularly the Great Old Ones like RAW23. Crap , if he is old ... then wtf am i ? Thanks for making me feel like a dying dino now I don't have a term for 'Not Quite Petrified Old One'. Ph'nglui mglw'nafh flakeys Jita wgah'nagl fhtagn
Thank you! |
Pragda
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:54:00 -
[82] - Quote
I'll see all you guys later!! This character is going to a new owner |
RAW23
450
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:30:00 -
[83] - Quote
Pragda wrote:I'll see all you guys later!! This character is going to a new owner
And only at a 1bil loss plus another 1.2bil in transfer fees. That 500mil scam looks pretty expensive. |
Pragda
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:50:00 -
[84] - Quote
I had my fun, which is what I play this game for. Not for the isk, for the fun This thread, and the rage bounty promises made it worth it. |
RAW23
452
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Posted - 2013.11.05 20:12:00 -
[85] - Quote
Pragda wrote:I had my fun, which is what I play this game for. Not for the isk, for the fun This thread, and the rage bounty promises made it worth it.
You didn't want that isk anyway? |
Pragda
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:28:00 -
[86] - Quote
RAW23 wrote:Pragda wrote:I had my fun, which is what I play this game for. Not for the isk, for the fun This thread, and the rage bounty promises made it worth it. You didn't want that isk anyway?
I had bought the character to honestly try null sec stuff again, but found out that I didn't enjoy it with a Tengu so that's why I decided to keep the 500m, and then I'm selling the char cause I'm not paying a Plex to train him more and I'm not gonna use him. |
Pragda
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:30:00 -
[87] - Quote
And based on your bio: except he encourages "bad" to make himself look that much more "good" You should be thanking me for this whole spectacle |
RAW23
454
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Posted - 2013.11.05 22:01:00 -
[88] - Quote
Pragda wrote:And based on your bio: except he encourages "bad" to make himself look that much more "good" You should be thanking me for this whole spectacle
I clearly encourage people to act badly and the presence of that quote in my bio is not at all ironic
I have to admit, though, that since most of the current MD crowd weren't around when that discussion actually happened the irony may be legitimately lost on many people. Will have to think about removing it.
I did like being called spacejesus though |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
100
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Posted - 2013.11.05 22:30:00 -
[89] - Quote
Pragda wrote:And based on your bio: except he encourages "bad" to make himself look that much more "good" You should be thanking me for this whole spectacle
You're bad all right.
It's not about the ISK? Yeah right . |
Rykker Bow
121
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Posted - 2013.11.06 04:21:00 -
[90] - Quote
This was a great show.
Thank you for the entertainment and the great ending! |
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Bob FromMarketing
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
63
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Posted - 2013.11.07 13:23:00 -
[91] - Quote
8/10 good thread Almost as good as a certain Sell Order thread, slightly more incoherent scamming attempts, less buttmad and a fair amount more profit. Oh well, OP next time you want to sell a character at a huge loss just shoot me a mail! |
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