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Pragda
Verkarth Auron
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Posted - 2013.10.25 00:13:00 -
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Isk received. First payment will be on November 1st at the latest |
Amadeus Gaila
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.25 00:38:00 -
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Gihl Steghern wrote:Elizabeth Norn wrote:I hope losing ISK is fun you Gihl, because going by the OP's track record (rather that of his 3 other characters he has either attempted to scam with or procure a loan on this forum) you won't get getting any money back. I enjoy exploring human nature so I've had fun either way.
You are wasting time exploring what has already been explored. Invest your intelligence somewhere else, where people haven't done any months worth of research and diagnosing 'human nature'. Don't hate me for it but all what you explored is how naive you are.
Unfortunately, i will join Nanatoa and place another 250m bounty on your head to discourage giving loans to scammers. Nothing personal.
Another 500m to follow on Pragda's head.
At least he learned to say thank you! |
Hyperspatia Lee
Hither and Yon
10
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Posted - 2013.10.25 00:53:00 -
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Amadeus Gaila wrote:...Another 500m to follow on Pragda's head...
Hey, won't that bounty hurt Pragda's chances of keeping his Tengu in one piece?
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OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
234
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Posted - 2013.10.25 02:05:00 -
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--popcorn-- |
Nanatoa
371
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Posted - 2013.10.25 05:24:00 -
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Gihl Steghern wrote:Your input is noted and I appreciate the gesture, thank you! I'll be sure to keep it in mind when I undock in 2057 or so.
And yet my 500M is probably better spent than yours.
"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1409
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Posted - 2013.10.25 09:10:00 -
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Gihl really did turn around quickly. I mean from: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3757524#post3757524 to "Have my isk, free!" in like 5 days.
Also note that Pragda and Dimitrix seem to be trying to remove their association. The character bazaar thread has been edited out and had a request for deletion. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3783367 The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
506
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Posted - 2013.10.25 21:30:00 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
As for the reasons why, read my earlier post. ISD Ezwal Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1409
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Posted - 2013.10.25 22:02:00 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
As for the reasons why, read my earlier post. Wait, what? Could you confirm what was rule breaking about posts that question the legitimacy of a player requesting an uncollateralised loan? If you now read though this thread, it reads as if there were never a question to the legitimacy of the request. You've also removed all references to the true identity of the borrower. So could you please point me to the rule that states that a moderator can choose to help a scammer hide his identity and scam freely on the forum?
Just look at the content that was removed, none of it breaking any rules I can see: http://www.eve-search.com/thread/289096-1/page/all
Oh and could you confirm, by mail or here, how I can go about reporting what I would consider to be moderation that falls outside of the scope of legitimate forum moderation?
Cheers. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
okoolos rimmer
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2013.10.25 22:38:00 -
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I second that. After this "moderation" the thread doesn't really make sense anymore. |
Nanatoa
371
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Posted - 2013.10.26 00:30:00 -
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Why was my reference to him buying the character removed? This is very relevant information in MD; it speaks to the mindset of the player, specifically the fluiditiy of his identity (a more fluid identity meaning a higher risk of a default, whereas a strong sense identity would signify higher chance of honouring agreements). Furthermore the fact that the person requesting the loan just spent 10 times that amount on something else is very relevant. What are the odds that someone spending 5B really can't come up with 500M himself? If he could come up with 500M himself but prefers a loan, why is this? The answer affects the risk of default on the loan. And surely the suggestion that he should spend his money more wisely isn't a personal attack of any kind? It's honest (and free!) advice! "Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
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RAW23
297
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Posted - 2013.10.26 01:36:00 -
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Just so it is clear to future readers, the mod has unaccountably removed posts which definitively show that the OP was sold to a well known try-hard scammer, information that is readily available in the character bazaar. This information also demonstrates that the OP is lying in his 'first' request for a loan. Other people identifying him as such have also had their posts removed even though the OP has replied to questions directed at his real character. Other people who have asked the OP to stop spamming the forum have also had their posts removed for 'trolling' whereas a little investigation would show that it is the OP who is trolling the forum. Other posts removed include one citing a killmail showing that the OP cannot be trusted to safely fly the ship he is asking for investments to purchase.
I can only conclude that either the Mod has mistaken this forum for Sell Orders, where critical discussion is not allowed, or has taken complete leave of his senses, as he is encouraging others to do by doctoring the thread in this appalling manner in order to conceal the OPs well-documented dishonesty.
Obviously, the full story can be found on eve-search where the arbitrary hands of the moderating team cannot reach. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
RAW23
297
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Posted - 2013.10.26 01:39:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:
Oh and could you confirm, by mail or here, how I can go about reporting what I would consider to be moderation that falls outside of the scope of legitimate forum moderation?
Cheers.
I would suggest reporting his post for vandalism. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
Amadeus Gaila
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.26 01:45:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:ISD Ezwal wrote:I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
As for the reasons why, read my earlier post. Wait, what? Could you confirm what was rule breaking about posts that question the legitimacy of a player requesting an uncollateralised loan? If you now read though this thread, it reads as if there were never a question to the legitimacy of the request. You've also removed all references to the true identity of the borrower. So could you please point me to the rule that states that a moderator can choose to help a scammer hide his identity and scam freely on the forum? Just look at the content that was removed, none of it breaking any rules I can see: http://www.eve-search.com/thread/289096-1/page/allOh and could you confirm, by mail or here, how I can go about reporting what I would consider to be moderation that falls outside of the scope of legitimate forum moderation? Cheers.
Agreed.
Pragda aka the scammer Dominix Inkura aka the scammer Dimitrix Solette formerly aka Airuta Hita has probably been talking in private to the ISD trying to gain his sympathy. Manipulating people, that's what he does.
We are only concerned about the transparency of all the transaction in this game, ISD. No hard feelings. Help us keep it this way.
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RAW23
298
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Posted - 2013.10.26 01:53:00 -
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And just to help the mod see who is trolling, here are the OPs recent continuous stream of threads which have been clogging up the forum for weeks:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3757633#post3757633
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=274885
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3502065#post3502065
This ones great - he literally announces he is taking advantage of people who don't pay attention, something the mod is now helping make a lot harder:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3460224#post3460224
This one is more or less identical to the current spam thread:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3443095#post3443095
as is this one:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=258362
Then there's this one:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3440955#post3440955
When will the madness end?! There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1554
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Posted - 2013.10.26 10:45:00 -
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One calls that 'moderation as usuall' , lately it's been getting worse and worse in my own experience.Getting posts removed wich are VERRY much on topic and yet in that same post stuff that is pure trolling isn't touched at all.
Had a guy bumping his char sale thread for 6 times or so in one day while also spamming ingame channels of all sorts.Six hours after i petitioned it there still was no mod intervention so i took it on myself to post in the thread telling the guy to quit bumping his threads and mostly quit spamming ingame channels with that crap.Guess what , my post got removed and the guy just got clearance to bump it a few more times that same day till his char was sold.
Made it clear to me , screw the rules if they are not the same for everyone .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
96
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Posted - 2013.10.26 14:04:00 -
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When creating posts you could link any relevant forum rules that specifically allow what you are saying, or link to threads where moderation has been performed and similar posts to yours have been allowed.
Also there is a Support Ticket category "Game Masters & ISD" under the "Rules & Policies" group for "...questions and complaint about the Game Masters and ISD Volunteers". .
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1516
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Posted - 2013.10.26 14:10:00 -
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It's funny because if the "other side" had done the initial reporting, then it would the all the OP's posts that would have been removed. Always report first, ask questions later. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1555
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Posted - 2013.10.26 14:27:00 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:When creating posts you could link any relevant forum rules that specifically allow what you are saying, or link to threads where moderation has been performed and similar posts to yours have been allowed to stay (preferably with someone saying that they are okay).
Also there is a Support Ticket category "Game Masters & ISD" under the "Rules & Policies" group for "...questions and complaint about the Game Masters and ISD Volunteers".
Thank you mister spock ....
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
237
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Posted - 2013.10.26 15:40:00 -
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In reference to the OP, I am restarting my old initiative. Anyone interested in investing can feel free to give me their money. I will take it, spend it on T2 ships to run missions in low sec, and post the results in the thread. When I lose the ship because I am the worst PVPer in EVE (seriously, look at my killboard), I will promptly default on the loan. This way you can enjoy all of the upsides and excitement of investing while still being told immediately that you have lost your money instead of needing to wait a few months.
Let me know, people! |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2424
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Posted - 2013.10.27 23:00:00 -
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Folks,
Discussing moderation is not permitted and abusing ISD and CCP staff is also against the rules.
However, I have submitted this thread to CCP for review which requires me to lock it for the time being. Hopefully, we will hear back from them very soon.
Thanks for your patience. ISD Suvetar Captain/Commando Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
2908
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Posted - 2013.10.28 17:25:00 -
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The original post violates none of the forum's rules and moderation has removed off-topic posts that are not related to the content of the original post. If you have any issues with moderation, please file a support ticket about it. EVE Online/DUST 514 Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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Private Pineapple
Tea And Sympathy Ltd. Liability Reckless Ambition
433
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Posted - 2013.10.28 17:40:00 -
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Nanatoa wrote:Gihl Steghern wrote:Your input is noted and I appreciate the gesture, thank you! I'll be sure to keep it in mind when I undock in 2057 or so. And yet my 500M is probably better spent than yours.
This is a common misconception. Your 500m is likely to remain untouched on a Market Discussions forum alt as a bounty. However, Gihl Steghern's 500m will do one of three things:
1) Make Gihl Steghern more money 2) Make Pragda more money 3) Make both of them more money
Your 500m will make no one more money and has effectively zero value as a bounty on a forum alt.
Either ways I would have thrown Pragda the 500m if I knew it'd elicit such a response from you. I am the Kingpin of the Crime and Punishment forum. |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
96
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Posted - 2013.10.28 17:43:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:The original post violates none of the forum's rules and moderation has removed off-topic posts that are not related to the content of the original post. If you have any issues with moderation, please file a support ticket about it.
I would just like to clarify that while no rules were broken (scamming or making a series terrible posts isn't against the rules), this is not an endorsement of the OP by CCP. People have made that mistake before.
Private Pineapple wrote:Nanatoa wrote:Gihl Steghern wrote:Your input is noted and I appreciate the gesture, thank you! I'll be sure to keep it in mind when I undock in 2057 or so. And yet my 500M is probably better spent than yours. This is a common misconception. Your 500m is likely to remain untouched on a Market Discussions forum alt as a bounty. However, Gihl Steghern's 500m will do one of three things: 1) Make Gihl Steghern more money 2) Make Pragda more money 3) Make both of them more money Your 500m will make no one more money and has effectively zero value as a bounty on a forum alt. Either ways I would have thrown Pragda the 500m if I knew it'd elicit such a response from you.
I look forward to see you throwing 500m at dubious loan requests in the future, I imagine there will be a lot more. .
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RAW23
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Posted - 2013.10.28 18:09:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:The original post violates none of the forum's rules and moderation has removed off-topic posts that are not related to the content of the original post. If you have any issues with moderation, please file a support ticket about it.
The OP may not violate any rules but the claim that the posts that have been removed do so is complete nonsense. Calling out scammers is a regular part of the business of this forum and removing posts that do so is unacceptable. If you are unable to see that, well, that's a shame but if you turn this into actual policy rather than just making an excuse for an obvious error you will have completely killed the loan and banking market for this game. It may be in the doldrums at the moment but it has, at times, provided some of the most impressive emergent elements in eve. It would be a pity to see that go because the mods are not able to understand the cultures of the forums they moderate. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
Nanatoa
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Posted - 2013.10.28 20:56:00 -
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Private Pineapple wrote:Nanatoa wrote:Gihl Steghern wrote:Your input is noted and I appreciate the gesture, thank you! I'll be sure to keep it in mind when I undock in 2057 or so. And yet my 500M is probably better spent than yours. This is a common misconception. Your 500m is likely to remain untouched on a Market Discussions forum alt as a bounty. However, Gihl Steghern's 500m will do one of three things: 1) Make Gihl Steghern more money 2) Make Pragda more money 3) Make both of them more money Your 500m will make no one more money and has effectively zero value as a bounty on a forum alt.
But isk does not exist just to make more isk. It is not like the only value you can get out of isk is the creation of more isk; there's entertainment value, and community value. (That's assuming isk has value to me - and I'm not sure it does.) "Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
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Gihl Steghern
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.29 01:51:00 -
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Nanatoa wrote:But isk does not exist just to make more isk. It is not like the only value you can get out of isk is the creation of more isk; there's entertainment value, and community value. (That's assuming isk has value to me - and I'm not sure it does.)
While we may be gently butting heads about the finer points of this particular transaction, I completely agree with your point here. I sit at my computer sometimes wondering what to do with my ISK next. I'm personally receiving decent entertainment value for my ISK and the final outcome of the transaction should have some community value no matter how it turns out. |
Karen Avioras
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
10
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Posted - 2013.11.01 19:57:00 -
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So..where the payment at? |
Vilton
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.01 21:05:00 -
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Karen Avioras wrote:So..where the payment at?
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Karen Avioras
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.11.02 11:54:00 -
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I'll just post this here...
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3817402#post3817402 |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
273
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Posted - 2013.11.02 14:50:00 -
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Some people in this thread (and his several other of his threads) need to get into the psychic industry asap. You will make a fortune. Also the bounty on his head seems to be lowering the sale value of his char so good job on that here is a list of all the fiat currencies that didn't end up at zero value.....and here is a list of the places where a currency pegged to a real commodity has successfully co-existed with compound interest....-á Here is a physics professor explaining why sustainable growth isn't a thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY |
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