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Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
45
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Posted - 2013.10.06 18:41:00 -
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Argus Sorn wrote:Molic Blackbird wrote:Prince Kobol wrote: CCP are not lying, they stated a while ago that the The Ishukone Scorpion was going to be used as a gift to give those people who run 3rd Party Sites.
Where was it stated a while ago? The first time I seen a statement like that from CCP was after this Somer gift was exposed. I doubt it was widely known that CCP intended the Ishukone Scorpion to be frequently used as gifts to third party sites. Question: If it was meant to be given as recognition, then why would CCP and Somer engage in collusion to keep it secret? Generally you "recognize" an organization publically, no? So we can all applaud them for their selfless sacrifice?
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1392
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Posted - 2013.10.06 18:49:00 -
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I think that CCP will respond to all this by saying that they will continue to favour those whom they deem to be worthy, but will be transparent in how they do so. This is not a signature. |
Kate stark
320
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Posted - 2013.10.06 18:53:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I think that CCP will respond to all this by saying that they will continue to favour those whom they deem to be worthy, but will be transparent in how they do so.
wasn't that the response last time? Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Xander Phoena
Zebra Corp Gentlemen's Agreement
210
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Posted - 2013.10.06 18:55:00 -
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My thoughts on Ripard's post on the matter:
http://c-z.me/conflictofinterest www.crossingzebras.com |
Literally Space Moses
One Man Incursion Corp.
48
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Posted - 2013.10.06 18:55:00 -
[935] - Quote
If you've read their responses to third-party sites, that's their response this time too. |
Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2013.10.06 18:57:00 -
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Quote: In business ethics you are expected to reject any gifts or contracts that may create even a perception of bias or conflict of interest.
ethics? there are laws for such things, if an employee hands out or receives and accepts any gifts it is considered as a bribe and he is fired, in CCP he is hired
ah nvm thought you were talking about a single case..
edit: don't want anyone fired just correcting |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1392
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:06:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I think that CCP will respond to all this by saying that they will continue to favour those whom they deem to be worthy, but will be transparent in how they do so. wasn't that the response last time?
Yes, but it seemed to soothe the brows of the fevered masses.
I suspect that CCP will just make the same promises , but may add that they will promise to run any more such give-a ways past the CSM first. This is not a signature. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4723
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:16:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Kate stark wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I think that CCP will respond to all this by saying that they will continue to favour those whom they deem to be worthy, but will be transparent in how they do so. wasn't that the response last time? Yes, but it seemed to soothe the brows of the fevered masses. I suspect that CCP will just make the same promises , but may add that they will promise to run any more such give-a ways past the CSM first. it works, ccp ~does what it wants~ There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Kate stark
320
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:20:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Kate stark wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I think that CCP will respond to all this by saying that they will continue to favour those whom they deem to be worthy, but will be transparent in how they do so. wasn't that the response last time? Yes, but it seemed to soothe the brows of the fevered masses. I suspect that CCP will just make the same promises , but may add that they will promise to run any more such give-a ways past the CSM first. it works, ccp ~does what it wants~
1) inform CSM 2) continue with give-away regardless of CSM feedback 3) get confused about inevitable fallout and say "but we told the csm, guys?" Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
78
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:20:00 -
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A short quote from Ripard himself at his blog:
Quote:Yes, it's been verified by CCP Navigator. Even before that had happened, I could have told you it was true. I knew about two other situations where CCP had gifted community leaders with iScorps.
So he as member of CSM did know of this affair before and didn-¦t tell about it? Was it under NDA? You know, the three letters he hides behind all the time?
Please tell us about the other incidents. Or are you involved in them, like in SCL? |
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adarma
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:32:00 -
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What is happening here? No DEV has been up and awake since Saturday morning? |
Joan Greywind
No Swag Initiative
155
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:36:00 -
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Joan Greywind wrote:The most important thing is still not answered, how in the world is this not "favoritism". I think there a very big gap of logic here that CCP navigator is still not addressing. Somer is not a totally independent third party, what they do outside of EVE, affects the game directly. I don't see the problem in encouraging third party applications that don't directly give their creators in game advantages such as EFT, EVE board, Pyfa, EVEMON etc... But clearly that is not the case here. ANd using the SCL as a counter example also doesn't hold any credence, as the SCL do what they do for 0 in game profits. Just answer this question, didn't SOMER directly or indirectly gain a lot of in game isk, was it through more traffic or direct profits, from the interference of CCP? The clear answer here is yes and shouldn't be allowed for any reason or justification whatsoever. I still don't understand how this is still not addressed. On another note, a quote from your "policies", "We will not authorize or otherwise sanction the use of any third party software. The End User License Agreement and Terms of Service are clear on this subject:"taken from http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/third-party-policies/What are you doing here is not only sactioning but encouraging the use of 3rd party software hereby breaking your own rules. Not very clear is it? This is really a big clusterfuck. Can we have CCP Sreegs back now?
From another thread that got closed |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2341
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:36:00 -
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Argus Sorn wrote:In business ethics you are expected to reject any gifts or contracts that may create even a perception of bias or conflict of interest. In this way it is not unreasonable to expect Somer to turn down gifts.
They (Somer) clearly engage in secretive business practices and encouraged their employees to maintain secrecy. That being said, if Somer is unethical that is their choice as they are an EVE business and no one is required to keep patronizing them.
It is up to individuals to decide they feel it is okay for somer to accept trillions in isk from ccp and if this should affect their patronization of their site.
Except of course when players ARE required to use somer if they wish to have a chance at content CCP hands solely to somer
and thats a big part of the problem |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1593
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:38:00 -
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adarma wrote:What is happening here? No DEV has been up and awake since Saturday morning? I wouldn't expect them to respond on the weekend. But someone at CCP spoke to a blog:
Quote:An EVE Online spokesman responds that GÇ£The Ishukone Scorpion was created for exactly this sort of purpose GÇö a promo ship for giveaways and special occasions to be used on multiple levels. It has been given out several times already (including some very analogous to this one) and will be given out again in the future for contests, awards, charity-related efforts, GÇÿthanksGÇÖ and more.GÇ¥
Additionally, despite this spacecraftGÇÖs unique skin, it is GÇ£actually worse gameplay-wise than the regular Scorpion and refines to only one Tritanium GÇö so it is little more than a hangar ornament.GÇ¥ The reason itGÇÖs in-game price is so high because of the craftGÇÖs current rarity. GÇ£Yet as more are introduced I am pretty sure the market price will lower based on total supply, as we see after the first few days any ship has been added to EVE.GÇ¥
Community concerns over the use of the ship as a thank-you have been GÇ£carefully noted,GÇ¥ and the game is GÇ£looking into creating a fuller program for those celebrating the amazing EVE community.GÇ¥
http://www.kotaku.com.au/2013/10/eve-players-decry-favoritism-as-select-few-get-a-20000-spaceship/
And CCP Manifest spoke to TMC:
Quote:We did end up giving Ishukone Ships away to SOMER's people as a "thanks" (as per the email) in a similar manner to our previous issuances of the ship. It's always been meant to be a promo item--for awards, rewards, charity-based efforts, promo items and more. The IshScorp was never meant to be limited at all or "capped" at a certain number--hence why it only refines for 1 Trit and is worse gameplay-wise than the normal Scorpion. There will be more given out in the future by the comm team and others (I will likely give out some some via social and through PR) and I am sure the price will go down--kinda like the pirate noobie frigs we gave out at events.
http://themittani.com/news/ccp-secretly-gifted-somer-blink-ishukone-scorpions |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge
1294
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:39:00 -
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adarma wrote:What is happening here? No DEV has been up and awake since Saturday morning?
Maybe Somer threw them a party and everyone's still hung over.
All joking aside, who knows, maybe they are taking the weekend off to play the game or do whatever it is they do in their free time. I'm sure we'll hear something by Monday. See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2341
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:48:00 -
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My main problem with this is that somer operate primarily for their own in-game (and out of game, even) profit. They are not like EVE Uni, or RvB, or Chribba, or countless others who operate solely for helping the community and providing cool things.
They operate for their own profit, and they compete with numerous other people who do similar things for profit
and CCP directly gifts them things, and gives them exclusive control over content, etc.
It's a bad thing. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5970
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:54:00 -
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Tippia wrote:In reality, IshuScorp was created to offer ship bling for the NeX in the same way as pants and monocles provided bling for the avatars. When it became apparent that the NeX code was too incomplete to actually handle this properly, it was put away. I believe you, but could I get a source for this? My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1392
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:54:00 -
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adarma wrote:What is happening here? No DEV has been up and awake since Saturday morning?
Say as little as possible.
Gather the facts.
Decide course of action, really sorry, tough it out etc.
Respond. This is not a signature. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
940
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:55:00 -
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Ripard Teg post is a disgrace, what a joke of a CSM, the guy must have taken LSD suppositorys... The Tears Must Flow |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2341
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:02:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Ripard Teg post is a disgrace, what a joke of a CSM, the guy must have taken LSD suppositorys...
no you don't understand, it's no big deal when a CCP dev secretly spawns hundreds of billions of isk worth of items for an in game entity, so long as that entity provides some kind of content
by that logic of course, spawning T2 bpos for BoB is justifiable because BoB created content - I mean think about it. Lots of players were in BoB and logged on to do stuff within BoB. Lots of players logged in to fight against BoB - in open combat, in spying, in meta-gaming, etc. All of that content BoB created. It's totally fine if CCP directly spawn things for them because think of all the stories, all the events, etc that happened because of BoB
Similarly, goonswarm are about to be handed their own unique moon goo type. It's totally ok because they create content that the many many players want to take part in |
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Naradius
Sanguinis Ablutione Angeli Mortis
50
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:03:00 -
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As I said in a previous post, CCP can run their game how they want. I don't even care if CCP wish to give out a ship of their choice to "deserving" individuals. Now this is just my opinion, and mine only: If CCP wishes to do something such as this in the name of "community", then let the community decide on who receives the gifts.
You have only to look at the isk revenue (and the link to plex sales) on the SOMER Blink site to realize why CCP have given them special attention. CCP, no doubt, make a ton of rl cash generated from plex sales, because of SOMER Blink addiction.
Secondly, giving these ships away secretly does have a large impact in-game on an individual basis. Imagine that collector buying such a ship for 20Bill only to find out, CCP had secretly seeded an extra 40% and the true worth was 12bill. OK, you could say, it's always bad to speculate on such items, and that would be correct....but in one fail swoop that collector had been put out of pocket from forces and decisions totally out of his control...by people who he pays a monthly subscription to (probably with rl money), to create a game that is not only fun but a level playing field for all to enjoy!!
Look at it another way....I defy anybody who would deny that 20bill being given to them, wouldn't change their game...no matter if it was given as an in-game asset, game time, plex etc. I know my game would change with such a windfall.
Who remembers CCP's video the Butterfly Effect a few years ago? The big selling point was, how just you in your little Rifter can have an effect on the whole Universe. Imagine what 20bill could do for that individual!!
My apologies, I seem to be going away from my main point - this was done secretly. When things are done secretly, it arouses suspicion. As a member of the community, I ask CCP:
1. If this give away was done in the name of community, why was SOMER Blink chosen above somebody like Chribba....or EVEMon....or EFT...The Big Lottery etc, etc?
2. Why was it deemed that such a gift was kept secret, knowing that it would effect market speculation of those not in the know. It is clear from Somer's in-game mail that everybody was aware that such a gift would have in-game impact. If there was nothing wrong in the gift, why be so cloak and dagger about offloading them into the market?....maybe that question is more for Somer
3. Why aren't CCP being transparent about these things, like Hilmar said they would be so many times before?
4. How many CCP employees does it take to change a light bulb? Please tell, because I'm starting to wonder!! "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - Douglas Adams |
Kate stark
321
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:03:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:no you don't understand, it's no big deal when a CCP dev secretly spawns hundreds of billions of isk worth of items for an in game entity, so long as that entity provides some kind of content
or if they're ripard's buddies? Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
78
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:15:00 -
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Quote:actually, to be fair, the SCL guys do deserve the scorpions. still, the association doesn't help ripard's argument.
And why is it done secretly, too?
Something stinks like hell in the whole affair... |
Kate stark
322
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:16:00 -
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Bronco Platz wrote:Quote:actually, to be fair, the SCL guys do deserve the scorpions. still, the association doesn't help ripard's argument. And why is it done secretly, too? Something stinks like hell in the whole affair...
indeed, surely the point of the scorpions would be "hey guys, we think these guys have done something really cool so we're giving them scorpions. check them out, we think you'll like what they do" Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or i's account, if you're reading this. |
Din Chao
364
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:20:00 -
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adarma wrote:What is happening here? No DEV has been up and awake since Saturday morning? All of CCP is on holiday together in Turkey. No, I'm not kidding. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1394
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:26:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:no you don't understand, it's no big deal when a CCP dev secretly spawns hundreds of billions of isk worth of items for an in game entity, so long as that entity provides some kind of content or if they're ripard's buddies? "What Teg doesnGÇÖt disclose in his post is that his corpmates have also been recipients of CCPGÇÖs secret generosity." ~ Source, for what it's worth. actually, to be fair, the SCL guys do deserve the scorpions. still, the association doesn't help ripard's argument.
I have just read Ripard's blog.
Dear Lord, how can one person get it so wrong?
For your information Ripard, I am not jealous.
I do not want CCP to gift me, or anyone else in the game, free, secret or otherwise, stuff, unless it is something like a Barbie outfit, which cannot be sold, traded, reprocessed or given to another player. That should cover it This is not a signature. |
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ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
270
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:29:00 -
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Removed post about politics. ISD Cura Ursus Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1334
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:40:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Molic Blackbird wrote:Prince Kobol wrote: CCP are not lying, they stated a while ago that the The Ishukone Scorpion was going to be used as a gift to give those people who run 3rd Party Sites.
Where was it stated a while ago? The first time I seen a statement like that from CCP was after this Somer gift was exposed. I doubt it was widely known that CCP intended the Ishukone Scorpion to be frequently used as gifts to third party sites. It doesn't really matter if it was before or after. They're still lying. The claim that GÇ£[t]he Ishukone Scorpion was created for exactly this sort of purposeGÇöa promo ship for giveaways and special occasions to be used on multiple levelsGÇ¥ is pure history revisionism. In reality, IshuScorp was created to offer ship bling for the NeX in the same way as pants and monocles provided bling for the avatars. When it became apparent that the NeX code was too incomplete to actually handle this properly, it was put away. Only much later, when they figured that they needed some kind of special-issue ship to hand out as a promo reward for people attending expos and conventions, they hauled it out of storage because, hey, what's the easiest way to create a new ship? Why, to not create a new ship at all, of course, but to re-use a ship that had lost its original purpose.
so what you are saying is they should finish the NeX store?
cool. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Tilly Delnero
Licorne Ventures Ltd.
55
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:48:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I do not want CCP to gift me, or anyone else in the game, free, secret or otherwise, stuff, unless it is something like a Barbie outfit, which cannot be sold, traded, reprocessed or given to another player. That should cover it This is essentially the real issue in a nutshell, well put. Honestly I couldn't give a fig about what happens on TQ since I quit it for Sisi after Odyssey, but I can see why this would get peoples' blood boiling. Even if they 'only' sell for 5-10b each, that's a lot of PLEX (and in turn, real money) that is gifted to specific players by CCP that gives them an in-game advantage over others. How couldn't this be interpreted as a form of favouritism or in-game manipulation?
Personally I think it's much more likely just a poorly thought-out PR stunt, but the conspiracy theories are understandable. |
Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
183
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:48:00 -
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There is absolutely no way to count on the CSM to represent us. They are in another world, the world of blink-blink, glitter pailettes. The CSM has been created by CCP only to serve as buffer between them and the customers. We must fight by ourselves. |
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