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ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
2043
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:46:00 -
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Chrissakes CCP, get your **** together. Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5874
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:46:00 -
[152] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Prince Kobol is just going through what we all went through when we first heard the news.
Denial that CCP could be so carelessly stupid.
While the rest of us quickly moved on to the later stages of coping, Prince Kobol descended into lunatic raves defending that which we all abhor. CCP's reputation is to be preserved at all costs. Lmao So in other words, I can not argue his point so I will retort to calling him names :) You guys are so adorable, I just want to scoop you all up, wrap you all up in cotton wool and feed you jelly and ice cream :) He can dish it but he can't take it. My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
JackTheSkipper
gallente manufacturing enterprise
12
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:46:00 -
[153] - Quote
Tao Dolcino wrote:James Arget wrote:Since apparently I'm the only CSM left awake, I'll share my personal thoughts on the matter. Keep in mind, we've yet to hear anything from CCP on this, so I'm pretty much shooting from the hip with the same knowledge you all have. ... Edit: Let me tack this little gem from the original SOMER Community Spotlight in while I'm at it: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2286976#post2286976 You don't get it eh ? WE DON'T WANT ANY FAVOURITISM !!!
^ this |
dexington
BodyBag Industries
800
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:46:00 -
[154] - Quote
The thing that annoy me the most about this is that ccp decide to secretly support somerblink, if they want to support a ingame origination do it publicly!
Doing it secretly only leaves the question, who else is ccp supporting? I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Prince Kobol
963
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:47:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:no it isn't. "But its also crack to CCP because it allows them the lazy way out of distributing ships. Its also the lighting rod for the recent outrage of the secretive EVE mails and blatant favoritism displayed by your favorite band of hapless Vikings." this is what the poster thinks is the issue; CCP being lazy in distributing special ships. if it wasn't somerblink it would be some one else and the "who" is largely irrelevant. if it wasn't somer it'd be some other group.
So telling people to boycott Somerblink and that Somer Blink needs to go is not against Somerblink? |
baltec1
Bat Country
8145
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:49:00 -
[156] - Quote
Altrue wrote:We all know that this is not about encouraging community initiatives or SOMER wouldn't have been the first or second entity to be choosen in the first place...
We all know that if these gifts were moraly acceptable they would be public and announced, not hidden. Why would you reward community investment ? To encourage others to do the same. (Which is IMO stupid, no reward needed) Hiding the reward negates the very reason of the gift, and it proves that this is not a matter of encouraging any community participation, this is just some poorly handled favoritism that Internal Affairs should look at.
More or less sums it up. |
Prince Kobol
963
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:49:00 -
[157] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Prince Kobol is just going through what we all went through when we first heard the news.
Denial that CCP could be so carelessly stupid.
While the rest of us quickly moved on to the later stages of coping, Prince Kobol descended into lunatic raves defending that which we all abhor. CCP's reputation is to be preserved at all costs. Lmao So in other words, I can not argue his point so I will retort to calling him names :) You guys are so adorable, I just want to scoop you all up, wrap you all up in cotton wool and feed you jelly and ice cream :) He can dish it but he can't take it.
Hey, I'm in FinFleet.. trust me I can take it
Unlike yourself you pesky little pipsqueak :) |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5874
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:50:00 -
[158] - Quote
You're not even trying anymore. My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Prince Kobol
963
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:50:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:You're not even trying anymore.
That is because I don't have to |
baltec1
Bat Country
8145
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:51:00 -
[160] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Kate stark wrote:no it isn't. "But its also crack to CCP because it allows them the lazy way out of distributing ships. Its also the lighting rod for the recent outrage of the secretive EVE mails and blatant favoritism displayed by your favorite band of hapless Vikings." this is what the poster thinks is the issue; CCP being lazy in distributing special ships. if it wasn't somerblink it would be some one else and the "who" is largely irrelevant. if it wasn't somer it'd be some other group. So telling people to boycott Somerblink and that Somer Blink needs to go is not against Somerblink?
The linked news story mentions none of these things. |
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Troll Bridgington
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
43
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:51:00 -
[161] - Quote
You really do. |
Kate stark
287
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:51:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Kate stark wrote:no it isn't. "But its also crack to CCP because it allows them the lazy way out of distributing ships. Its also the lighting rod for the recent outrage of the secretive EVE mails and blatant favoritism displayed by your favorite band of hapless Vikings." this is what the poster thinks is the issue; CCP being lazy in distributing special ships. if it wasn't somerblink it would be some one else and the "who" is largely irrelevant. if it wasn't somer it'd be some other group. So telling people to boycott Somerblink and that Somer Blink needs to go is not against Somerblink?
"But what we can do is punish the player organization invovled. We simply stop using them and let disuse wither away the existence of Somer Blink. Sure its unreasonable because so many people love using Somer Blink and real the villain here is CCP but what are you going to do?"
emphasis very much mine, for very much your benefit.
you're just proving, yet again, that you've yet to actually read the post you keep quoting. he clearly says somer isn't the issue however not using them is the only action the poster things that we, as players, have at our disposal.
now, please. go and read the post before you post again. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
arabella blood
I Swear She Looked 18
184
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:53:00 -
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Any words CSM? or did the NDA said you can't talk about it too? Troll for hire. Cheap prices. |
Tao Dolcino
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
160
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:55:00 -
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arabella blood wrote:Any words CSM? or did the NDA said you can't talk about it too? Sadly, even without NDA they stated that they would not tell us everything, "for our own good" |
baltec1
Bat Country
8145
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:57:00 -
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arabella blood wrote:Any words CSM? or did the NDA said you can't talk about it too?
Its the weekend. Chances are they want to speak to CCP first. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1581
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:59:00 -
[166] - Quote
dear ccp
i am a regular community contributor with over one thousand five hundred 'like's
you can deposit my ishukone scorpion into my hangar in maut solar system
thankyou |
dexington
BodyBag Industries
800
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Posted - 2013.10.05 09:59:00 -
[167] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:arabella blood wrote:Any words CSM? or did the NDA said you can't talk about it too? Its the weekend. Chances are they want to speak to CCP first.
what exactly do we then need them for, can't someone from ccp not just tell us the same then? I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Ammzi
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1543
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Posted - 2013.10.05 10:01:00 -
[168] - Quote
Sigh, I even had to change my 1.5 year old signature for this. Y u do this ccp. CCP Navagiator AKA CCP T20 |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
586
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Posted - 2013.10.05 10:01:00 -
[169] - Quote
Ammzi wrote:Sigh, I even had to change my 1.5 year old signature for this. Y u do this ccp.
Now if only you could actually spell 'Navigator' |
O'Ran
Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
13
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Posted - 2013.10.05 10:02:00 -
[170] - Quote
well this is depressing. |
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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
21547
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Posted - 2013.10.05 10:03:00 -
[171] - Quote
...and again, the community is raging against CCPs arbitrariness when handling "their game".
Touching, really. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Feature ideas I had/endorse: Crew Managment, Orcas as mobile Bases |
Kaladin Frostfire
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.10.05 10:03:00 -
[172] - Quote
This all thing is...really low of CCP. In a corrupt way.
Things will, burn... |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1582
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Posted - 2013.10.05 10:05:00 -
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Helicity Boson wrote:Ammzi wrote:Sigh, I even had to change my 1.5 year old signature for this. Y u do this ccp. Now if only you could actually spell 'Navigator' you spelled 'navagiator' wrong |
Ammzi
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1545
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Posted - 2013.10.05 10:12:00 -
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Helicity Boson wrote:Ammzi wrote:Sigh, I even had to change my 1.5 year old signature for this. Y u do this ccp. Now if only you could actually spell 'Navigator'
My emotions hindered me from spelling you-know-who's true name. CCP Navagiator AKA CCP T20 |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
878
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Posted - 2013.10.05 10:18:00 -
[175] - Quote
450bil ISK ~ $15.000 |
Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
63
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Posted - 2013.10.05 10:23:00 -
[176] - Quote
Lipbite wrote:450bil ISK ~ $15.000
And this from thin air with just one ore two mouseclicks. Better than every central bank. |
Kuni Oichi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33
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Posted - 2013.10.05 10:23:00 -
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There's going to be a lot of words here, so those people who just want to say 'grr goons' might want to move on to the next post.
The fundamental issue is with CCP, not with Somerblink. No matter what organisation and individual(s) CCP should not be giving billions to trillions of isk to player-run corporations within the game. Doing so was what saw them given negative press throughout the gaming media (T20 scandal) and while this has a veneer of acceptability over it, the fundamental point is the same. In doing so, CCP removes the equal standing of players within the game and gives direct material advantage to a particular group of players.
This isn't about Somer blink directly, if this had come up now about a.n.other player-owned corporation it would still have the same fundamental issues. However that's twice in recent times that CCP has directly advantaged Somerblink to the tune of hundreds of billion of isk, if not trillions (given what the three unique ships could sell for). Moreover even though Somer chose to give them away (they could have kept them), they still made several hundred billion in increased revenue as a result of that lottery, and will doubtless have expected to see increased traffic and awareness of their site as a result. For somerblink therefore, this had a direct and longterm financial benefit for them, not only in game but in $ as well through their blink credits for game timecards.
It's laudable that Somer Blink gives isk to a number of organisations and events within the game, however that doesn't make it a community site, nor does it make it a content creator. It means that Somer Blink is doing what thousands of real companies do through sponsorship. They increase brand awareness and promote a positive image of their company through association with the organisations they sponsor.
As for rewarding the staff of Somer, while I do think they do an excellent job, surely the right people to reward them are the directors of Somer. They're already very well paid, being able to earn billions a month for their time and already all receiving free timecards from Somer for their account.
What somerblink is, is a lottery, a very well run, highly profitable lottery. There are players who have gone broke in game playing it, players who buy GTCs specifically to feed into somerblink. It has all the pros and cons of any gambling site.
And yet this is the site that CCP has chosen to reward with such unprecedented largesse. Not everadio which, like Somerblink, is largely an out of game activity/endeavour (e.g. the music is not an in game thing). Not The Angel Project which seeks to help new players (though like Somer that did get a community shoutout, which is surely a far more acceptable way of saying thanks). Not Garpa whose tools vastly improve the usability of the game, or EveMon, EveFit etc. etc. Nope, they gave their extraordinaty (outside T20) gifts to a gambling site that already makes a vast profit.
Whether through corruption, favouritism or simple stupidity, CCP Navigator has once again demonstrated an inability to 'get' the game of Eve.
As for the Grr Goons, if CCP had given this to us (afterall, the biggest news stories about the game in recent years involve us, we bring hundreds of players to the game, we run community events, charity events and create content and interest on a daily basis) then the outcry would be unprecedented. Obviously for us it would be incredibly funny, but at the same time utterly hypocritical. Whether the ToS changes or this, it should be apparent (for all but those predisposed to hate us) that the line of rhetoric is about holding CCP to account. Obviously that's what the CSM is meant to do, but it now seems to be entirely sidelined by CCP on anything contentious, so it falls to us to raise the hue and cry and point out that ccp's ethical behaviour of late appears to be ethically bankrupt and going down a very dangerous path of bias and favouritism.
Of course, if CCP is set on continuing down that path, then our free T2 titans should be right around the corner. |
Seven Koskanaiken
Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas
371
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Posted - 2013.10.05 10:29:00 -
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I for one support this public private partnership enabling the efficient distribution of resources. Anyone against is probably a trouble making socialist jealous of somer's success, get a job you hippies. |
Prince Kobol
963
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Posted - 2013.10.05 10:29:00 -
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Kuni Oichi wrote:There's going to be a lot of words here, so those people who just want to say 'grr goons' might want to move on to the next post.
The fundamental issue is with CCP, not with Somerblink. No matter what organisation and individual(s) CCP should not be giving billions to trillions of isk to player-run corporations within the game. Doing so was what saw them given negative press throughout the gaming media (T20 scandal) and while this has a veneer of acceptability over it, the fundamental point is the same. In doing so, CCP removes the equal standing of players within the game and gives direct material advantage to a particular group of players.
This isn't about Somer blink directly, if this had come up now about a.n.other player-owned corporation it would still have the same fundamental issues. However that's twice in recent times that CCP has directly advantaged Somerblink to the tune of hundreds of billion of isk, if not trillions (given what the three unique ships could sell for). Moreover even though Somer chose to give them away (they could have kept them), they still made several hundred billion in increased revenue as a result of that lottery, and will doubtless have expected to see increased traffic and awareness of their site as a result. For somerblink therefore, this had a direct and longterm financial benefit for them, not only in game but in $ as well through their blink credits for game timecards.
It's laudable that Somer Blink gives isk to a number of organisations and events within the game, however that doesn't make it a community site, nor does it make it a content creator. It means that Somer Blink is doing what thousands of real companies do through sponsorship. They increase brand awareness and promote a positive image of their company through association with the organisations they sponsor.
As for rewarding the staff of Somer, while I do think they do an excellent job, surely the right people to reward them are the directors of Somer. They're already very well paid, being able to earn billions a month for their time and already all receiving free timecards from Somer for their account.
What somerblink is, is a lottery, a very well run, highly profitable lottery. There are players who have gone broke in game playing it, players who buy GTCs specifically to feed into somerblink. It has all the pros and cons of any gambling site.
And yet this is the site that CCP has chosen to reward with such unprecedented largesse. Not everadio which, like Somerblink, is largely an out of game activity/endeavour (e.g. the music is not an in game thing). Not The Angel Project which seeks to help new players (though like Somer that did get a community shoutout, which is surely a far more acceptable way of saying thanks). Not Garpa whose tools vastly improve the usability of the game, or EveMon, EveFit etc. etc. Nope, they gave their extraordinaty (outside T20) gifts to a gambling site that already makes a vast profit.
Whether through corruption, favouritism or simple stupidity, CCP Navigator has once again demonstrated an inability to 'get' the game of Eve.
As for the Grr Goons, if CCP had given this to us (afterall, the biggest news stories about the game in recent years involve us, we bring hundreds of players to the game, we run community events, charity events and create content and interest on a daily basis) then the outcry would be unprecedented. Obviously for us it would be incredibly funny, but at the same time utterly hypocritical. Whether the ToS changes or this, it should be apparent (for all but those predisposed to hate us) that the line of rhetoric is about holding CCP to account. Obviously that's what the CSM is meant to do, but it now seems to be entirely sidelined by CCP on anything contentious, so it falls to us to raise the hue and cry and point out that ccp's ethical behaviour of late appears to be bankrupt and going down a very dangerous path of bias and favouritism.
Of course, if CCP is set on continuing down that path, then our free T2 titans should be right around the corner.
Now if this had been posted at the beginning then this thread might of gone different, a very good and well constructed post that gets to the heart of the matter without the grrr we hate somerblink, they are evil, we should boycott them, they are involved in RMT etc .
Nicely done and many thanks :)
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2408
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Posted - 2013.10.05 10:31:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:"Goons are mad about something, clearly I should take the opposite position even though on principle I'd probably agree otherwise." You could make a comment about how drinking bleach is bad for you with a Goonswarm Federation tag and you'd get 20 pubbies falling over each other to post the opposite. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
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