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Ashis
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Posted - 2005.11.29 05:21:00 -
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Edited by: Ashis on 29/11/2005 05:20:31 Yes, bug reports have been filled.
Yes, it happens to everyone from time to time.
Yes, this is the one where everything is offline and anchored but the tower is still online.
Yes, I try not to let it run below 4 days of fuel.
Yes, I know there is no "Fix It" button.
Yes, maybe this is a whine, deal with it.
Yes, this is my main.
No, you can't have my stuff.
But seriously - it takes 1 hour of my life every time I have to online a POS. 1 hour of my life CCP. That isn't fun time - that is 1 hour I spend cursing POSs, and EvE, and CCP... and it happens weekly.
With average life expectance I have a total of 410,592 hours of life left - I don't want to spend a single hour more on this. Can you blame me?
Why am I feeling no love on this? __________
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Dloan
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Posted - 2005.11.29 10:08:00 -
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I can't express how much I agree with you on this one. I've bugged it as well. I'm just very thankful the POS it happens to doesn't have much stuff which needs to be onlined again :/.
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KHEN
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Posted - 2005.11.29 11:58:00 -
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I don't know if it is exactly the same bug but the same thing occured twice to some of my POS. I just did nothing, just wait for downtime and all was fixed afterwards. The reactors continued to run even if they were buggy into the interface and thus the silos were normaly filled.
I feel sorry for the wasted time and for the frustration that you feel, but have you tried to do ... nothing but wait ?
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Dloan
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Posted - 2005.11.29 12:07:00 -
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Sadly, I don't think this works. Everything is just offline.
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Verizana
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Posted - 2005.11.29 13:40:00 -
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blame Bill Gates. He invented windows. If this was made on linux maybe there wouldnt be as many bugs?
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Ashis
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Posted - 2005.11.29 19:12:00 -
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I'm trying to diplomatically use every single resource given to me to get this point across, but to this point I have successfully been ignored - what resources am I missing?
http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/knownissues.asp
Why isn't this issue on the known issues list? Does CCP not know about this issue? Are my bug reports even read or do they end up in some trashbin somewhere? What is the priority of this issue?
Tonight I get to go online another POS - so I am going to have another hour of time thinking about all this. Oveur? Kieron? Anyone? Is there any acknowledgement? Is there some more appropriate channel that I should be going through? Give me the means to communicate in a more appropriate manner and I will gladly do it. How much of a squeak does this wheel need to generate before someone acknowledges it and gives us some kind of idea that we are being taken care of, and a rough timeline to that end.
Yes, I know some game companys are better at responding, and some are worse.
Yes, I know that the Devs feel at this point they are doing all they can.
Yes, I know there is no "Fix It" Button.
Yes, I know that there are lots of bugs that may or may not be more important then this one.
Yes, I know "x" happened to you that was way worse and way more time consuming.
No, You can't have my stuff.
No, I'm not going to let this die - I've reached the end of my rope with it. __________
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Ashis
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Posted - 2005.11.29 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Verizana blame Bill Gates. He invented windows. If this was made on linux maybe there wouldnt be as many bugs?
Maybe I should start cc'ing all my bug reports to [email protected]. -- Is that it?
A buddy of mine suggested that if I rub my tummy and pat my head while I am hitting send on the bug report, and if it is the 3rd week in april (on a leap year) or not the 9th day after labour day in Australia, and as long as I had pancakes for breakfast without maple syrup (but with no-fat butter) ... THEN CCP might actually acknowledge that this is a bug and give us some kind of idea as to when it will be fixed (really fixed).
Either that or I have to take up Native American Rain Dancing.
I have no idea what I am missing, and why this bug hasn't been made very well known. It is a pain in the a#$ to online POSs. __________
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Ashis
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Posted - 2005.11.29 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: KHEN I don't know if it is exactly the same bug but the same thing occured twice to some of my POS. I just did nothing, just wait for downtime and all was fixed afterwards. The reactors continued to run even if they were buggy into the interface and thus the silos were normaly filled.
I feel sorry for the wasted time and for the frustration that you feel, but have you tried to do ... nothing but wait ?
I don't think it is the same bug - I haven't heard of the one you are describing. What we are experiencing is everything goes offline except the tower (thank god the shields are still up). It is clear that no fuel is being consumed, and no reactions are... well... reacting.
What you are describing sounds like a visual bug. My (limited) understanding was that there were display problems with the POS fuel left before the (last?) patch, and *most* of those have been corrected (some may or may not have had to do with soveignty - information is sketchy).
I remember when this first started happening my main concern was the lost reaction and harvesting time - now I don't give a damn about that - I just hate having to spend my limited game time re-onlining POSs that are offline because of a bug. That's getting really old really quick. __________
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2005.11.29 19:55:00 -
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I had a similar problem. Has there ever been another tower launched at your moon? In my case I think the database became corrupt when I had jetted a few offline towers inside my bubble. I think the database gets corrupt at that point and starts associating the modules around the tower with both of the towers, the one that is anchored and online and the one that is unanchored and offline.
I think the database structure for POS's is very fragile and its easily corrupted, the only fix (as you probably already know) is to have a GM come out and destroy all of your tower and all the structures around it and respawn new ones and re-anchor them.
Good luck to you, I understand your frustration as I went through the the same ordeal for 4 days in a row, everyday I spent 1-2 hours with the GM while we offlined and onlined all of my towers.
What really gets me is that CCP keeps adding new content while POS's are bugged beyond belief...and they seem oblivious.
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Ashis
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Posted - 2005.11.29 23:14:00 -
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Edited by: Ashis on 29/11/2005 23:16:17
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I had a similar problem. Has there ever been another tower launched at your moon? In my case I think the database became corrupt when I had jetted a few offline towers inside my bubble. I think the database gets corrupt at that point and starts associating the modules around the tower with both of the towers, the one that is anchored and online and the one that is unanchored and offline.
Piecing this together from disjointed stories of what other players have experienced is almost as annoying as spending my free time re-onlining POS arrays - but not quite - don't ya think? ... but I suppose that's our only recourse at this point. To that end...
To my knowledge there has never been another tower anchored/jettisoned at any of the affected POSs. Granted I can't say this definatively, but since I am the only person involved at this level in my corp in this production line, and given the protected and isolated nature of our space, it is a good guess. We have been here for a long time, although the alliance that we have been a part of has changed.
I should mention, this is/has happening/happened at 4 seperate POSs. 2 of those POSs I have taken completely down out of sheer and utter frustration with this - but 2 of them are still doing it on a regular basis. We have another 4 POSs that have never had this type of behaviour -- if they start to then all new levels of frustration will be reached.
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I think the database structure for POS's is very fragile and its easily corrupted, the only fix (as you probably already know) is to have a GM come out and destroy all of your tower and all the structures around it and respawn new ones and re-anchor them.
This service has never been offered to me. I would gladly take it. Anything - S-E-R-I-O-U-S-L-Y - anything to avoid the pain and torture of having to online these things all the time. Where do I sign up for that?
Yes, I realize that taking down all the POSs is an option - so maybe not quite anything - yet.
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Good luck to you, I understand your frustration as I went through the the same ordeal for 4 days in a row, everyday I spent 1-2 hours with the GM while we offlined and onlined all of my towers.
What really gets me is that CCP keeps adding new content while POS's are bugged beyond belief...and they seem oblivious.
I think that the fact that they seem oblivious adds to my frustration, and my resolve to get an answer. I don't understand the corporate model that allows things like this to go on without so much as an acknowledgement - but I'm glad that that mentality seems isolated to the online gaming industry.
I do understand that as a dev I would never want to respond to posts that were disrespectful, or inane, and as such I am actively attempting to avoid those tones while still conveying the depths and growing frustration of a number of us in the POS segment that continue to run in to this. It's a delicate balance.
It is becoming clear that my efforts and time to bring this to CCPs attention and to get this on someones task list are not appreciated and are either unimportant, or there is nothing to say aside from "yeah, it's bugged, suck it up" (and although I'm sure that response is uttered many times over beer just down the street from CCP headquarters, I doubt the tone of those conversations would ever translate well into posts - lets hope the developers never get a chance to *truly* respond to us fickle, demanding, and unappreciative players - right? . right?)
Anyone else have input/experiences/frustrations with this?
Well... I am going to log on and online some guns tonight. And all this entertainment for the low low price of $15/month... __________
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Raynaar
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Posted - 2005.11.30 14:06:00 -
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This EXACT thing has definately happened to us at least twice. It IS a pain in the ass. I'm glad it hasn't happened as often as op's experience (once a week?), but I certainly agree with the general gripe (only scanned the thread).
-Ray
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Dloan
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Posted - 2005.11.30 14:19:00 -
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I admit to being surprised this thread hasn't generated more response. I know my CEO came across the same problem when he had setup a few towers and from responses elsewhere, it doesn't appear to be that uncommon but it's annoying as hell.
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Simon Illian
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Posted - 2005.11.30 15:07:00 -
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happending 3 times for me.
GM have reimboursed the non reacted stuff. [Eve Tool for the mass]
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Ashis
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Posted - 2005.12.01 04:06:00 -
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Originally by: Simon Illian happending 3 times for me.
GM have reimboursed the non reacted stuff.
That ****es me right off - I was told that GMs don't reimburse this, and when I pushed the matter they told me it was a matter of policy.
Good on you Simon! I'm glad you didn't have the same problem.
Unfortunately it seems that the universe of Eve is run completely without any kind of guideline or standard as to what will be reimbursed when.
Again, as a growingly dissatisfied customer I'm more likely to take your comment at face value then I usually would.
Thanks for the feedback though Simon! I'm just going to keep filling out bug reports and giving the community details in this thread... for me it the waste in time multiplied by the feeling of utter helplessness has left me no real recourse. I encourage others to do the same; I regret that it has come to this.
Yes, this may be a whine, suck it up.
No, I'm not quitting Eve.
No, you can't have my stuff. __________
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Ashis
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Posted - 2005.12.01 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dloan I admit to being surprised this thread hasn't generated more response. I know my CEO came across the same problem when he had setup a few towers and from responses elsewhere, it doesn't appear to be that uncommon but it's annoying as hell.
I'm really surprised there aren't 50 threads on this myself. My assumption initially was that I was just incredibly unlucky. But having it happen to my at multiple moons, and multiple POSs... I just can't see that being the case...
I have no idea - but I encourage everyone to post as many details as possible. Afterall, what else are you gonna do but read Eve-O when you are spending your hour onlining POSs? __________
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Ashis
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Posted - 2005.12.01 04:12:00 -
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Originally by: Raynaar This EXACT thing has definately happened to us at least twice. It IS a pain in the ass. I'm glad it hasn't happened as often as op's experience (once a week?), but I certainly agree with the general gripe (only scanned the thread).
-Ray
Just to clarify - it has been happening once a week to me - but not at the same POS. I currently have 2 up that seem to be affected at different times. I have also had another 2 up that were effected that i have since taken down. Some of the POSs I have up are completely unaffected.
Random() for the lose. __________
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Ashis
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Posted - 2005.12.14 03:05:00 -
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Edited by: Ashis on 14/12/2005 03:04:50 Happened again today. I noticed after the unexpected downtime. 3 out of 4 of the POSs that I have online went offline.... Bug Report has been filed.
Anyone else notice a correlation between unexpected downtimes and this damnable POS bug - which still isn't on the known issues list?
...
(^^ Those dots are symbolic of frustration, in case that point was lost). __________
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Ashis
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Posted - 2005.12.14 03:42:00 -
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I should mention that it doesn't take an hour to online the POSs anymore, cause I replaced the mediums with smalls and with a lot less toys and stuff on them...
So at least that's a little better.... "Lowered Expectations" FTW! __________
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Martinus Crimson
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Posted - 2005.12.14 09:51:00 -
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same sotry here ... unexpected dt ... 2 of my 5 pos had all modules offlined
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Ashis
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Posted - 2005.12.25 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: Ashis on 25/12/2005 17:39:46 I was really hoping that RMR fixed this. But it happened to me again today. Merry Christmas too me - have to spend my time reonlining POSs because of a bug that still has recieved no official acknowledgement aside from some emails that I can't quote because we aren't allowed to do that.
I should mention that 3 out of 4 of my POSs were offline after the main RMR patch - but I didn't bug it or post here because there was enough going on - and I truly hoped RMR had fixed it.
Yes, I have thanklessly submitted yet another bug report.
I am truly scared for the day that one of our large POSs goes offline.... the half day it would take to reonline everything --
Damn am I feeling neglected here. Why do we have to spend so much of our online "playing" time re-onlining this stuff? Why is this not a priority?
Yes - I very well could be whining. Suck it up. I'm so f'in sick of this. You would be too. The only way I can see to "adapt" is to continue to post the legacy of how this problem is being neglected here so that others can avoid the POS nightmare, and people that experience the same problem can join this support group.
What a crock. __________
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Ashis
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Posted - 2005.12.28 15:41:00 -
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Happened again today. This time there were 2 interesting things:
1) The POS had over 4 days of all fuel in it - putting to rest the idea that the amount of fuel had something to do with it.
2) When I went to online the Moon Harvesting Array (first module I happened to online) it said "The Harvester is already online." ... then it proceeded to online it. This didnt happen with subsequent modules I was onlining - maybe I just double clicked the online button - but I'm not sure.
Yes, I have filed another bug Report. How many of these damn things do I have to file before I get some kind of acknowledgement? When did I become a beta tester? Why am I paying to online towers? Why is this still not on the known issues list?
DOES CCP STILL NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS ISSUE?????
Do I have to go and nail the details on the door at CCP HQ in order to have any kind of response whatsoever? __________
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kahle
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Posted - 2005.12.29 00:33:00 -
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this thread really does deserve an offical reply, c'mon CCP speak up.
i dont run POS and dont intend to and by the sounds of this its just as well...
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Mandrake
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Posted - 2005.12.29 14:29:00 -
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I will be looking into this the next few days and could use some help.
It would be very helpfull if those who have had this problem could mail me ingame on TQ with the following information: 1. What pos setup you had, what structures where online at the pos before DT. 2. The solarsystem and moon the pos was located at. 3. How often this happen to each pos and when it happened if possible.
Mandrake CCP - QA Department
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Ashis
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Posted - 2005.12.31 04:39:00 -
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Thank you!
I have sent a max-length evemail with all the details I could cram in and I am available (although often AFK) to answer any and all questions to help you track this down. I will also keep posting details here. __________
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MuthaTrucka
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Posted - 2005.12.31 06:03:00 -
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Evemail sent with my Issues with POSes offlining all the mods at random intevals
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Ashis
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Posted - 2006.01.11 16:17:00 -
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Happened again. Looks like it happened yesterday, but I didn't check it yesterday - so bye bye 24 hour of fuel... and bye bye to any harvesting done during that time.
I sent the initial evemail off as requested... but I have had no reply. I had hoped this was fixed.
Fillling out another bug report now --
This may have cooresponded with the unexpected downtime yesterday after the main down time, but I can't know for certain.
Anyone else find this?
I'm onlining everything now - lucky me. __________
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Ashis
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Posted - 2006.01.11 17:13:00 -
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My day seems to be getting better -
Went to add fuel to another small tower after the one above, and it was offline as well. Looks like it went down at the same time as the other one, so there seems to be some kind of event that occurs once and a while that takes these things offline; there is some kind of connection.
I'm starting to fill out petitions with each of these as well now - cause why the hell not. Hopefully someone will be able to do something.
Anyone else notice a correlation where a number of POSs all seem to go off at the same time? __________
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Ashis
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Posted - 2006.01.11 17:35:00 -
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And Rolling right along -
The third POS I checked, also a small tower, has all the structures offline as well. Bug report and petition will be forwarded on after I type here -
This got me thinking, this seems to be happening mainly with small towers.... not with large towers. I have seen it happen once with a medium tower but never with a large. Can anyone confirm that?
How many bug reports do I have to submit before I get invited on to the alpha test server?
Aside from the short response from a Dev in this thread, and inspite of my open invitation to provide any and all information on this, I still have to have any response from CCP - hopefully now that I am sending petitions for ever single offline tower as well that won't be the case for long...
I have a suspicion:
mv /bugreports/* > null
... anyone else having trouble today? __________
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Ashis
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Posted - 2006.01.11 19:40:00 -
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OK - now I'm a whole new f'in level of frustrated...
In checking more towers I come across one that is *completely offline*... tower and all.
WTF???
Checking fuel - small tower - it still has 1d and 17h left in it of Hydrogen, everything else is at 3.5 days.
So now I los soverignty on this P.O.S. POS.
GOddamit - Fix your goddamn game before you do any other expansions. I'm so F'in sick of this ****... either that or buy all this damn POS *beta* crap back from me at market cost.. I don't want to play this POS game any more... what a load of ****.
Petitions and bug reports will be filed. I'm expecting about as much response on them as I have been given to date. __________
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Asarah
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Posted - 2006.01.11 20:02:00 -
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Being as I am looking into setting up my first POS soon, I have to ask. I notice that this appears to only be happening to small towers... is this correct?
If so I'm just gonna jump right into a medium tower.
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Zubenelgenubi
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Posted - 2006.01.11 20:03:00 -
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Interesting thread.
As of today I think the GM's will be getting a message from my corp.
Pity ours seems to have been blown up while it was offline.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.01.11 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Mandrake Edited by: Mandrake on 29/12/2005 16:14:43 I will be looking into this the next few days and could use some help.
It would be very helpfull if those who have had this problem could mail me ingame on TQ with the following information: 1. What pos setup you had, what structures where online at the pos before DT. 2. The solarsystem and moon the pos was located at. 3. How often this happen to each pos and when it happened if possible.
Any luck reproducing this yet? If not I can try to piece together all the info about my towers. I went through POS hell for about 2 weeks, with as many as 10 towers going through this every couple days.
I certainly hope CCP is willing to devote more resources to this, POS bugs are probably the second biggest problem in eve next to lag. All alliance combat in 0.0 revolves around POS sovereignty and to have the POS"s themselves go offline randomly and have guns not fire half the time really ruins things.
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Ashis
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Posted - 2006.01.12 00:30:00 -
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Edited by: Ashis on 12/01/2006 00:30:53
Originally by: Asarah Being as I am looking into setting up my first POS soon, I have to ask. I notice that this appears to only be happening to small towers... is this correct?
If so I'm just gonna jump right into a medium tower.
It has definately happened at a medium tower we use to have up. I thought it was only once, but it may actually have been upwards of 3 times.
My advice in putting up a POS: Don't.
Across the board POSs are buggy as all hell. And even if it wasn't it is very challenging to make money cause the market is flooded, and overall the implementation has been pure and utter ****.
If there was a button I could push right now that would sell all my POS stuff back, and somehow compensate me for all the time I have spent dealing with this buggy **** I would push it. This game is not fun anymore. I spend all my time making up for bugs. Don't get involved with POSs. __________
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BlueSmok
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Posted - 2006.01.12 10:30:00 -
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Dunno if this was mentioned in the post already didn't read it all, but you do know you don't have to stick around waiting for it to go online? Just tell it to online, note the time and hit the belts! Rinse and repeat for any structures you have. I've run a small and Medium POS for months and never had this problem myself, I don't doubt you however.
**Small Auxillery Power Array going to do anything soon???**
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.01.12 14:31:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 12/01/2006 14:31:48
This is an amazing thread. Ashis, congrats on your patience with this issue so far. This nonsense needs to get fixed. I'm going to shake a couple trees and see if I can help get the ball rolling a bit. -
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Sfynx
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Posted - 2006.01.13 00:46:00 -
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We set up our first three small POSes yesterday, today I log in and bingo I know how to fuel them so guess I'm another victim. Sent the suggested evemail.
This will seriously hurt our POS operations if it happens every few days.
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Ashis
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Posted - 2006.01.13 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: Zubenelgenubi Interesting thread.
As of today I think the GM's will be getting a message from my corp.
Pity ours seems to have been blown up while it was offline.
... wow. If one of my POSs was blown up while offline... then I think "you could have my stuff." ... I'm really sorry to hear about that Zub - what a load of ****. __________
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Ashis
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Posted - 2006.01.13 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I certainly hope CCP is willing to devote more resources to this, POS bugs are probably the second biggest problem in eve next to lag. All alliance combat in 0.0 revolves around POS sovereignty and to have the POS"s themselves go offline randomly and have guns not fire half the time really ruins things.
I see a lot of posts on the forums about "I don't like the font" ... and "PvP is too hard" and "PvP isn't hard enough" ... you know, general whines - and I try to avoid them. But this? This is just assinine. I'm not even going to log in today cause I'm to damn scared about seeing towers offlined. I'm gonna go play some other MMO instead and wait for the weekend when I actually have enough time to online towers.
So yeah - aside from the lag (which I am the first to admit is a bigger issue) I hope that every resource they have is thrown at this. Part of this falls back to the player base to though - I continue to be surprised about the lack of player input in this thread. I can't be the only one - I'm not that unlucky. __________
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Ashis
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Posted - 2006.01.13 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: BlueSmok Dunno if this was mentioned in the post already didn't read it all, but you do know you don't have to stick around waiting for it to go online? Just tell it to online, note the time and hit the belts! Rinse and repeat for any structures you have. I've run a small and Medium POS for months and never had this problem myself, I don't doubt you however.
**Small Auxillery Power Array going to do anything soon???**
Yeah - I'm aware that I can jump over to a belt and do some ratting. Unfortunately "Ashis" is a production character who wouldn't do to well in the ratting environment. Besides, I am too busy filing bug reports, petitions, and posting in this forum to do any serious ratting at this point! __________
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Ashis
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Posted - 2006.01.13 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 12/01/2006 14:31:48
This is an amazing thread. Ashis, congrats on your patience with this issue so far. This nonsense needs to get fixed. I'm going to shake a couple trees and see if I can help get the ball rolling a bit.
Thanks Seleene. I'm very glad I am coming across as patient. It has been an excercise in self-censorship and I have been unsure of my success. I don't think I'm patient so much at this point so much as feeling defeated.
As for shaking trees - I'd sure appreciate it. Hell, if it will help I will lend you an axe. __________
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Ashis
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Posted - 2006.01.13 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sfynx We set up our first three small POSes yesterday, today I log in and bingo I know how to fuel them so guess I'm another victim. Sent the suggested evemail.
This will seriously hurt our POS operations if it happens every few days.
Until I had the tower completely offline yesterday I thought the "full offline" was a myth. But then it happened to me. Without putting a single piece of fuel in the tower I re-onlined it, proving that it had enough fuel to run. So yes, I have seen the "full offline" once now.
Aside from that this bug has been very easily identifiable - everything is offline *except the tower* -- that is the bug I have been mainly focused on.
If anyone wants to buy 6 small, 2 medium, and 1 large tower - with tons and tons of POS modules then I'm out - done - finished. The thought of spending this weekend onlining towers is making me ill.
This is just one bug in terms of POSs. There are so many others that I have heard about:
1. POSs becoming invulnerable. 2. POSs disjoining from planets (unanchor and reanchor? yeah right - take your 15$ a month and shove it.) 3. POSs going up in soverign systems without evemail notification. 4. POSs letting people in the shields to steal ships. 5. POSs randomly getting more reinforcement time... 6. Moons *losing* materials. 7. Maintenance Arrays - a whole topic in themselves. 8. many, many more...
But I haven't experienced them first hand. So they could just be misunderstandings on players parts... that said, anyone thinking about doing POS stuff - be aware that it is incredibly discouraging - do something more fun, and don't get invested only to find out that the "game" has become a chore.
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Sfynx
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Posted - 2006.01.13 10:55:00 -
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We have had a medium POS for many months and aside from it blowing up a corpmate once without a clear reason it has been working perfectly. The entire thing offlined only once and that was in the first weeks when I forgot to refuel it in time ;)
So setting up these small POSes and finding all their structures offline (yeah, except the tower) on all of them the next day was rather surprising. However, it looked like the contents of the silos represented the right amount, so:
- it could be that the structures not really offline at downtime and the processes continue - they offlined at the moment I logged in
Looking at the complaints I'm sure this will happen again, so I'll watch them closely during the next days.
But yeah, if I cannot fill the towers, empty the silos, and then leave them in peace for more than a week I might give up some day also...
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MuthaTrucka
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Posted - 2006.01.13 18:45:00 -
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Looks Like the Fuel Calcs For the large Towers is Borked again too.........
Woohoo for the math engine
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Trader Klyde
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Posted - 2006.01.13 19:30:00 -
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We haven't had this happen "yet"... /me wanders off to find some wood to knock on... But, I find it incredible that there has been no fix for this yet.
Comeon CCP, POS's are already more of a chore to own than they are fun, at least get them working right. Please? ________________________________________________ From deep in space where nobody hears my screams... Sometimes in fear, sometimes in anger, mostly just my singing style. |
Admiral S3
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Posted - 2006.01.14 11:22:00 -
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Ashis: I feel for you.
A few of my associates in one of the various newb corps has recently made it know that they plan to launch a small corp, complete with a POS with in the 1st few days of the corps operational life span.
With this occuring it would be impossible to keep a small corp in buisness. Exspecially with teh POS offlining every few days for no reason, let alone no fault of the corp.
I know this suggestion is gonna seem somewhat well rude, but have you considered upgrading the towers to large ones to resolve the problem. It seems as if only small a medium towers are regularly effected, that may be a solution and considering the lack of real responce from CCP it might well be your only reasonable solution.
Not only would it solve some of the issues with a touch of luck, but it would give your corp, room to expand. I am quiet sure that you could sell your small and medium towers to someone for a fair price, maybe a touch less then you paid for emm, but if it resolves the problem it would be well worth it in my opinion.
Good luck.
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Ashis
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Posted - 2006.01.14 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral S3 I know this suggestion is gonna seem somewhat well rude, but have you considered upgrading the towers to large ones to resolve the problem. It seems as if only small a medium towers are regularly effected, that may be a solution and considering the lack of real responce from CCP it might well be your only reasonable solution.
Not rude at all. The problem with doing that is a logistics one - fuel. If I buy the fuel off of market then I have to forward our materials on to the T2 component builders taking into account about 16 times the production cost. So at that point we should just buy the stuff off of market, and sell all our POSs, and be done with it. The problem is that if other people start feeling this way then there won't be any of these materials out there.
On the other hand, if we mine it out with my full team of guys we would have to mine for 21 Hours per week, versus mining for 5.5 Hours for every piece of fuel we need now. In that case I am adding 16 hours to our mining time - which would far surpass the 8 hours of potential onlining time. These times are based roughly on 7 miners and the requisite haulers and tanks. I suppose that we could expand that number, but inevitably these people want some kind of payment - and there we get back to the cost of getting the materials done to the component builders.
The different tower sizes have different functions. It's not quite as easy as upgrading the towers. Small towers should be used to fill a material gathering role. Medium towers can start a reaction process, and large towers can bring things into advanced reactions. Having large towers out there sitting in space that are consuming 4 times the fuel/isk of a small tower just doesn't work from an economic standpoint. __________
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Ashis
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Posted - 2006.01.14 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: MuthaTrucka Looks Like the Fuel Calcs For the large Towers is Borked again too......... Woohoo for the math engine
I have completely missed this. Can you give details before this has to be learned the hard way? I have said it before, I will say it again - if a large tower ever goes down I am going to go postal. __________
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Ashis
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Posted - 2006.01.14 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Trader Klyde We haven't had this happen "yet"... /me wanders off to find some wood to knock on... But, I find it incredible that there has been no fix for this yet.
Comeon CCP, POS's are already more of a chore to own than they are fun, at least get them working right. Please?
Yeah - I though it would be cool to "own" my own little piece of land too. Little did I know that it would turn into the such an unintended time sink. Not to mention my total dissillusionment with the Customer Relationship Management side of things. __________
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MuthaTrucka
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Posted - 2006.01.14 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ashis
Originally by: MuthaTrucka Looks Like the Fuel Calcs For the large Towers is Borked again too......... Woohoo for the math engine
I have completely missed this. Can you give details before this has to be learned the hard way? I have said it before, I will say it again - if a large tower ever goes down I am going to go postal.
Simple Different Large towers fuels once again, are appearing o be used at different rates. At one point this was fixed and it was only small and mediums that used at different rates because of the Sov Bonus. Now It appears that Large towers are MEssed up again....
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Bridget Lovenna
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Posted - 2006.01.16 19:24:00 -
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Can I have your stuff
and how come I didn't hear about the latest and greatest of these events
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2006.01.21 14:46:00 -
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sounds like a bug with the soverignty fuel saving system maybe? ---------------
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Ashis
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Posted - 2006.01.21 17:26:00 -
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Edited by: Ashis on 21/01/2006 17:27:35
Originally by: Amthrianius sounds like a bug with the soverignty fuel saving system maybe?
I would think that if it was a bug in the fuel calculations for soverignty, and by not taking the soverignty bonus in to account the tower believed it didn't have sufficient fuel to remain online, then the whole tower would go offline. In all cases (minus one) this has not been the case. What happens is that all the structures are offline, but the tower is online.
I've been on a bit of a break from eve (chiefly because of the frustration with this, but I digress) - anyways, I log in today to put fuel in 5 towers (4 small, 1 large) - and to my absolute surprise all of them are online. I haven't touched them in about 6 days - they all had just over 24 hours of fuel left in them, and the were all online.
That's a first for me leaving them that long and seeing them all online. I'm so friggin happy I don't have to spend my day onlining towers. I'm not sure if something was changed, or I just had a lucky week, or what - maybe (dare I think it?) the bug was (should I even dare type this?) fixed????
/me finds some wood to knock on.
Anyone else? __________
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Jerec Deepblue
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Posted - 2006.01.21 21:41:00 -
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I'm very sorry to hear all this. I came to this forum investigating what I need to know for a POS only to find out it's a nightmare.
I told a friend of mine about it and he said "did you really expect any better?" And after thinking about it, no, I didn't expect any better.
It's a shame. I mean, come on! The code for these things can't be that hard. I've written some very complex code in my life. If I did anything this buggy I would have lost my job years ago.
CCP Please get your act together. I guess in Iceland it's so frozen there are no bugs, so they don't know what bugs are and can't fix them? |
Ashis
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Posted - 2006.01.22 06:43:00 -
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Originally by: Jerec Deepblue I'm very sorry to hear all this. I came to this forum investigating what I need to know for a POS only to find out it's a nightmare.
Jerec - I'm very glad that you read all of this long before you invested in a control tower and found out the hard way! The cool thing in theory about POSs is that they allow you to "own" a little piece of Eve - set up your own "place" that is more then just a cosmetic triffle. But in practice this nightmare has become the only thing I do in Eve - and it's not fun because it doesn't work - so you can imagine how long that is going to last for.
Originally by: Jerec Deepblue I told a friend of mine about it and he said "did you really expect any better?" And after thinking about it, no, I didn't expect any better.
I remember when I went through the disappointed phase. Then the angry phase. Then the bitter phase. Now I am just looking for the best way to cut loses so that if I come back from my sojourn into other hobbies I will have more liquid resources then crap floating in space.
Originally by: Jerec Deepblue It's a shame. I mean, come on! The code for these things can't be that hard. I've written some very complex code in my life. If I did anything this buggy I would have lost my job years ago.
I have no idea about the code - but my thoughts were opposite - I think that in terms of POSs things would be fairly complex. All evidence would say that someone took a "big bite" out of the metaphorical "POS Cake," and CCP can't seem to chew it.
(Purposely without being specific) the brief brief word I got back from one of my petitions was that this has yet to be reproduced on the test server so anyone in this position is S.O.L. (not sure how the one guy from earlier in this thread got compensated).
Also - be very very clear when sending in a petition that you are sending in a petition for a particular POS. I sent in 1 petition for each POS that was down, and though I made it clear that it was for a particular POS, but got back something like "don't send in multiple petitions for the same issue..." yadda yadda yadda... so be crystal clear.
Originally by: Jerec Deepblue CCP Please get your act together. I guess in Iceland it's so frozen there are no bugs, so they don't know what bugs are and can't fix them?
I remember when I went through my "I want to give them help so they can fix this" stage. Now I couldn't give a damn; I'm reciprocating the attitude and respect shown to everyone in this thread, and everyone experiencing this bug. Whether it be the lack of responsible reporting/logging that would allow them to catch it, the inability/unwillingness to go the extra mile and do something as simple as go look at one of the continually affected towers after each down time, or even the decency to say something like, "hey, this sounds suck and we appreciate your diligence in reporting it - we need your help in tracking it down, what other information can we glean off of you? Thanks."
Instead you can count on a form letter that tells ya your S.O.L. -- have fun onlining! __________
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Talos Darkhart
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Posted - 2006.01.23 11:55:00 -
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Tbh I am not sure how ccp got it's reputation for good customer srvice because qutie frankly the amount of hassle getting anything sorted is shocking.
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Sfynx
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Posted - 2006.01.23 22:45:00 -
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After my last maintenance I left my small POSes for five days because I don't want to babysit them. Just came back to see how they are doing and... everything is OK. Structures still online, right amount of materials in there.
So I've been very lucky or they silently fixed it (in which case I'd expect a very happy dev spamming this thread with the great news).
Anyway, looks like I didn't lose any materials so far due to this issue, which is good.
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Ashis
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Posted - 2006.01.28 15:09:00 -
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Well, week 2 of my "Eve-lite" gaming schedule. Again I just logged in after 6 days to fuel 5 POSs (4 smalls, 1 large) and again everything was online. None of the POSs went below 23 hours of fuel.
I'm very interested to hear if anyone has continued to have the POS offlining problem. I'm not sure whether my luck has changed or CCP has figured out what the problem was since my last petition and corrected it.
Anyone? __________
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SpaceJockey
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Posted - 2006.03.09 23:11:00 -
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Large POS offlined (full of fuel) for no apparent reason , ive lost soverignty and had 12 hrs approx of no production , reaction ,shields or defences, ive petitioned but got the normal wait for a reply , reply.
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mamolian
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Posted - 2006.03.12 12:14:00 -
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Hmm everytime i read these threads, they seem to be Gallente and Amarr towers affected?
Ive used several minmatar towers, and havnt had any issues like you folks describe.. thankfully.
Really hope CCP get it all fixed soon, as there is a bunch of other POS issues that need to be resolved also. For the moment, just keep sending in those bug reports.. often, id imagine its based on how many similar reports they would recieve in a short period of time.. to root out just freak occurances (which might be easier fixed by destroying the tower, and starting again with GM assistance) If enough people submit the reports and often enough, it will get fixed.. but it probably wont be somthing that happens overnight.
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SpaceJockey
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Posted - 2006.03.13 16:34:00 -
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well what ever race of tower it is , mine has offlined again just after i got sov' back, Question i have if any GM's are listening as im still waiying a reply from u guys ,
If the pos gos down for no apparent reason and itthen gets attack we will be able to get the pos replaced as it was before it went offline and the moon back or is it a case of errrr no u wont?
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Karl Borhman
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Posted - 2006.03.14 20:47:00 -
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I share in a large tower, and haven't noticed any issues as of yet with modules offlining in the last 3 weeks since it was put up. Tbh, there's not really too many people in our area of space, so maybe it has something to do with a population of towers and players for a given area?
I have however seen a couple of minor bugs that occur when putting modules into ships at corporate maintenance arrays where the modules look to be online and loaded, but when you go to fire the guns, the Eve lady comes on and says, "A module has run out of charges".
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KaptnSparrow
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Posted - 2006.03.19 11:08:00 -
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ok now get some facts, what towers are affected and what are the settings of the towers?
i have no problem with a small and a medium tower since the setup a couple of weeks ago.
my settings:
i dont claim sov. i have enough fuel :) my powergrid/cpu is close to max i have simple reactions, miners, silos, couplings
we are looking for members!
- 0.0 mining - 0.0 ratting - 0.0 hauling
we are selling
- Sulfuric Acid 16800 units a week. make me a price! |
Ashis
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Posted - 2006.03.19 15:09:00 -
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Since the last time I posted here it hasn't happened to me again - which is good news - and I am knocking on a big friggin piece of wood. (The way that this has been handled customer service wise has left a significant blemish on CCP imho. I have no love for the company now, unfortunately they have made an enjoyable game.)
To help you track this down - all of the towers I have claim sovergnty. THE CPU is close to max on them, on average the PG is at about 77%. All the smalls have moon harvesters, silos, corp hangars (usually offline). The medium towers also have reactors. All of them have a mix of small/med/large autocannons and artys. Some have warp scramblers.
I suggest that you petition every tower that goes offline individually - as they are all seperate issues - each time they do. I don't believe that is against any petitioning policy - afterall, we have no idea as to whether the problems causing this issue is the same each time.
I feel for you though - I took an extended break after I was screwed around with this - even let some of my accounts lapse. It is very draining to deal with. I wonder if petitioning under "Character Stuck" would be acceptable on this one, since you are basically stuck during your game time reonlining towers.
God I hope it doesn't start again. __________
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