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Zubenelgenubi
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Posted - 2006.01.11 20:03:00 -
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Interesting thread.
As of today I think the GM's will be getting a message from my corp.
Pity ours seems to have been blown up while it was offline.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.01.11 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Mandrake Edited by: Mandrake on 29/12/2005 16:14:43 I will be looking into this the next few days and could use some help.
It would be very helpfull if those who have had this problem could mail me ingame on TQ with the following information: 1. What pos setup you had, what structures where online at the pos before DT. 2. The solarsystem and moon the pos was located at. 3. How often this happen to each pos and when it happened if possible.
Any luck reproducing this yet? If not I can try to piece together all the info about my towers. I went through POS hell for about 2 weeks, with as many as 10 towers going through this every couple days.
I certainly hope CCP is willing to devote more resources to this, POS bugs are probably the second biggest problem in eve next to lag. All alliance combat in 0.0 revolves around POS sovereignty and to have the POS"s themselves go offline randomly and have guns not fire half the time really ruins things.
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Ashis
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Posted - 2006.01.12 00:30:00 -
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Edited by: Ashis on 12/01/2006 00:30:53
Originally by: Asarah Being as I am looking into setting up my first POS soon, I have to ask. I notice that this appears to only be happening to small towers... is this correct?
If so I'm just gonna jump right into a medium tower.
It has definately happened at a medium tower we use to have up. I thought it was only once, but it may actually have been upwards of 3 times.
My advice in putting up a POS: Don't.
Across the board POSs are buggy as all hell. And even if it wasn't it is very challenging to make money cause the market is flooded, and overall the implementation has been pure and utter ****.
If there was a button I could push right now that would sell all my POS stuff back, and somehow compensate me for all the time I have spent dealing with this buggy **** I would push it. This game is not fun anymore. I spend all my time making up for bugs. Don't get involved with POSs. __________
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BlueSmok
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Posted - 2006.01.12 10:30:00 -
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Dunno if this was mentioned in the post already didn't read it all, but you do know you don't have to stick around waiting for it to go online? Just tell it to online, note the time and hit the belts! Rinse and repeat for any structures you have. I've run a small and Medium POS for months and never had this problem myself, I don't doubt you however.
**Small Auxillery Power Array going to do anything soon???**
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.01.12 14:31:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 12/01/2006 14:31:48
This is an amazing thread. Ashis, congrats on your patience with this issue so far. This nonsense needs to get fixed. I'm going to shake a couple trees and see if I can help get the ball rolling a bit. -
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Sfynx
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Posted - 2006.01.13 00:46:00 -
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We set up our first three small POSes yesterday, today I log in and bingo I know how to fuel them so guess I'm another victim. Sent the suggested evemail.
This will seriously hurt our POS operations if it happens every few days.
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Ashis
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Posted - 2006.01.13 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: Zubenelgenubi Interesting thread.
As of today I think the GM's will be getting a message from my corp.
Pity ours seems to have been blown up while it was offline.
... wow. If one of my POSs was blown up while offline... then I think "you could have my stuff." ... I'm really sorry to hear about that Zub - what a load of ****. __________
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Ashis
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Posted - 2006.01.13 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I certainly hope CCP is willing to devote more resources to this, POS bugs are probably the second biggest problem in eve next to lag. All alliance combat in 0.0 revolves around POS sovereignty and to have the POS"s themselves go offline randomly and have guns not fire half the time really ruins things.
I see a lot of posts on the forums about "I don't like the font" ... and "PvP is too hard" and "PvP isn't hard enough" ... you know, general whines - and I try to avoid them. But this? This is just assinine. I'm not even going to log in today cause I'm to damn scared about seeing towers offlined. I'm gonna go play some other MMO instead and wait for the weekend when I actually have enough time to online towers.
So yeah - aside from the lag (which I am the first to admit is a bigger issue) I hope that every resource they have is thrown at this. Part of this falls back to the player base to though - I continue to be surprised about the lack of player input in this thread. I can't be the only one - I'm not that unlucky. __________
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Ashis
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Posted - 2006.01.13 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: BlueSmok Dunno if this was mentioned in the post already didn't read it all, but you do know you don't have to stick around waiting for it to go online? Just tell it to online, note the time and hit the belts! Rinse and repeat for any structures you have. I've run a small and Medium POS for months and never had this problem myself, I don't doubt you however.
**Small Auxillery Power Array going to do anything soon???**
Yeah - I'm aware that I can jump over to a belt and do some ratting. Unfortunately "Ashis" is a production character who wouldn't do to well in the ratting environment. Besides, I am too busy filing bug reports, petitions, and posting in this forum to do any serious ratting at this point! __________
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Ashis
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Posted - 2006.01.13 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 12/01/2006 14:31:48
This is an amazing thread. Ashis, congrats on your patience with this issue so far. This nonsense needs to get fixed. I'm going to shake a couple trees and see if I can help get the ball rolling a bit.
Thanks Seleene. I'm very glad I am coming across as patient. It has been an excercise in self-censorship and I have been unsure of my success. I don't think I'm patient so much at this point so much as feeling defeated.
As for shaking trees - I'd sure appreciate it. Hell, if it will help I will lend you an axe. __________
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Ashis
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Posted - 2006.01.13 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sfynx We set up our first three small POSes yesterday, today I log in and bingo I know how to fuel them so guess I'm another victim. Sent the suggested evemail.
This will seriously hurt our POS operations if it happens every few days.
Until I had the tower completely offline yesterday I thought the "full offline" was a myth. But then it happened to me. Without putting a single piece of fuel in the tower I re-onlined it, proving that it had enough fuel to run. So yes, I have seen the "full offline" once now.
Aside from that this bug has been very easily identifiable - everything is offline *except the tower* -- that is the bug I have been mainly focused on.
If anyone wants to buy 6 small, 2 medium, and 1 large tower - with tons and tons of POS modules then I'm out - done - finished. The thought of spending this weekend onlining towers is making me ill.
This is just one bug in terms of POSs. There are so many others that I have heard about:
1. POSs becoming invulnerable. 2. POSs disjoining from planets (unanchor and reanchor? yeah right - take your 15$ a month and shove it.) 3. POSs going up in soverign systems without evemail notification. 4. POSs letting people in the shields to steal ships. 5. POSs randomly getting more reinforcement time... 6. Moons *losing* materials. 7. Maintenance Arrays - a whole topic in themselves. 8. many, many more...
But I haven't experienced them first hand. So they could just be misunderstandings on players parts... that said, anyone thinking about doing POS stuff - be aware that it is incredibly discouraging - do something more fun, and don't get invested only to find out that the "game" has become a chore.
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Sfynx
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Posted - 2006.01.13 10:55:00 -
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We have had a medium POS for many months and aside from it blowing up a corpmate once without a clear reason it has been working perfectly. The entire thing offlined only once and that was in the first weeks when I forgot to refuel it in time ;)
So setting up these small POSes and finding all their structures offline (yeah, except the tower) on all of them the next day was rather surprising. However, it looked like the contents of the silos represented the right amount, so:
- it could be that the structures not really offline at downtime and the processes continue - they offlined at the moment I logged in
Looking at the complaints I'm sure this will happen again, so I'll watch them closely during the next days.
But yeah, if I cannot fill the towers, empty the silos, and then leave them in peace for more than a week I might give up some day also...
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MuthaTrucka
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Posted - 2006.01.13 18:45:00 -
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Looks Like the Fuel Calcs For the large Towers is Borked again too.........
Woohoo for the math engine
--------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all. [SeXin Up Foyle] |
Trader Klyde
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Posted - 2006.01.13 19:30:00 -
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We haven't had this happen "yet"... /me wanders off to find some wood to knock on... But, I find it incredible that there has been no fix for this yet.
Comeon CCP, POS's are already more of a chore to own than they are fun, at least get them working right. Please? ________________________________________________ From deep in space where nobody hears my screams... Sometimes in fear, sometimes in anger, mostly just my singing style. |
Admiral S3
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Posted - 2006.01.14 11:22:00 -
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Ashis: I feel for you.
A few of my associates in one of the various newb corps has recently made it know that they plan to launch a small corp, complete with a POS with in the 1st few days of the corps operational life span.
With this occuring it would be impossible to keep a small corp in buisness. Exspecially with teh POS offlining every few days for no reason, let alone no fault of the corp.
I know this suggestion is gonna seem somewhat well rude, but have you considered upgrading the towers to large ones to resolve the problem. It seems as if only small a medium towers are regularly effected, that may be a solution and considering the lack of real responce from CCP it might well be your only reasonable solution.
Not only would it solve some of the issues with a touch of luck, but it would give your corp, room to expand. I am quiet sure that you could sell your small and medium towers to someone for a fair price, maybe a touch less then you paid for emm, but if it resolves the problem it would be well worth it in my opinion.
Good luck.
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Ashis
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Posted - 2006.01.14 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral S3 I know this suggestion is gonna seem somewhat well rude, but have you considered upgrading the towers to large ones to resolve the problem. It seems as if only small a medium towers are regularly effected, that may be a solution and considering the lack of real responce from CCP it might well be your only reasonable solution.
Not rude at all. The problem with doing that is a logistics one - fuel. If I buy the fuel off of market then I have to forward our materials on to the T2 component builders taking into account about 16 times the production cost. So at that point we should just buy the stuff off of market, and sell all our POSs, and be done with it. The problem is that if other people start feeling this way then there won't be any of these materials out there.
On the other hand, if we mine it out with my full team of guys we would have to mine for 21 Hours per week, versus mining for 5.5 Hours for every piece of fuel we need now. In that case I am adding 16 hours to our mining time - which would far surpass the 8 hours of potential onlining time. These times are based roughly on 7 miners and the requisite haulers and tanks. I suppose that we could expand that number, but inevitably these people want some kind of payment - and there we get back to the cost of getting the materials done to the component builders.
The different tower sizes have different functions. It's not quite as easy as upgrading the towers. Small towers should be used to fill a material gathering role. Medium towers can start a reaction process, and large towers can bring things into advanced reactions. Having large towers out there sitting in space that are consuming 4 times the fuel/isk of a small tower just doesn't work from an economic standpoint. __________
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Ashis
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Posted - 2006.01.14 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: MuthaTrucka Looks Like the Fuel Calcs For the large Towers is Borked again too......... Woohoo for the math engine
I have completely missed this. Can you give details before this has to be learned the hard way? I have said it before, I will say it again - if a large tower ever goes down I am going to go postal. __________
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Ashis
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Posted - 2006.01.14 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Trader Klyde We haven't had this happen "yet"... /me wanders off to find some wood to knock on... But, I find it incredible that there has been no fix for this yet.
Comeon CCP, POS's are already more of a chore to own than they are fun, at least get them working right. Please?
Yeah - I though it would be cool to "own" my own little piece of land too. Little did I know that it would turn into the such an unintended time sink. Not to mention my total dissillusionment with the Customer Relationship Management side of things. __________
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MuthaTrucka
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Posted - 2006.01.14 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ashis
Originally by: MuthaTrucka Looks Like the Fuel Calcs For the large Towers is Borked again too......... Woohoo for the math engine
I have completely missed this. Can you give details before this has to be learned the hard way? I have said it before, I will say it again - if a large tower ever goes down I am going to go postal.
Simple Different Large towers fuels once again, are appearing o be used at different rates. At one point this was fixed and it was only small and mediums that used at different rates because of the Sov Bonus. Now It appears that Large towers are MEssed up again....
--------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all. [SeXin Up Foyle] |
Bridget Lovenna
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Posted - 2006.01.16 19:24:00 -
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Can I have your stuff
and how come I didn't hear about the latest and greatest of these events
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2006.01.21 14:46:00 -
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sounds like a bug with the soverignty fuel saving system maybe? ---------------
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Ashis
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Posted - 2006.01.21 17:26:00 -
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Edited by: Ashis on 21/01/2006 17:27:35
Originally by: Amthrianius sounds like a bug with the soverignty fuel saving system maybe?
I would think that if it was a bug in the fuel calculations for soverignty, and by not taking the soverignty bonus in to account the tower believed it didn't have sufficient fuel to remain online, then the whole tower would go offline. In all cases (minus one) this has not been the case. What happens is that all the structures are offline, but the tower is online.
I've been on a bit of a break from eve (chiefly because of the frustration with this, but I digress) - anyways, I log in today to put fuel in 5 towers (4 small, 1 large) - and to my absolute surprise all of them are online. I haven't touched them in about 6 days - they all had just over 24 hours of fuel left in them, and the were all online.
That's a first for me leaving them that long and seeing them all online. I'm so friggin happy I don't have to spend my day onlining towers. I'm not sure if something was changed, or I just had a lucky week, or what - maybe (dare I think it?) the bug was (should I even dare type this?) fixed????
/me finds some wood to knock on.
Anyone else? __________
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Jerec Deepblue
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Posted - 2006.01.21 21:41:00 -
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I'm very sorry to hear all this. I came to this forum investigating what I need to know for a POS only to find out it's a nightmare.
I told a friend of mine about it and he said "did you really expect any better?" And after thinking about it, no, I didn't expect any better.
It's a shame. I mean, come on! The code for these things can't be that hard. I've written some very complex code in my life. If I did anything this buggy I would have lost my job years ago.
CCP Please get your act together. I guess in Iceland it's so frozen there are no bugs, so they don't know what bugs are and can't fix them? |
Ashis
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Posted - 2006.01.22 06:43:00 -
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Originally by: Jerec Deepblue I'm very sorry to hear all this. I came to this forum investigating what I need to know for a POS only to find out it's a nightmare.
Jerec - I'm very glad that you read all of this long before you invested in a control tower and found out the hard way! The cool thing in theory about POSs is that they allow you to "own" a little piece of Eve - set up your own "place" that is more then just a cosmetic triffle. But in practice this nightmare has become the only thing I do in Eve - and it's not fun because it doesn't work - so you can imagine how long that is going to last for.
Originally by: Jerec Deepblue I told a friend of mine about it and he said "did you really expect any better?" And after thinking about it, no, I didn't expect any better.
I remember when I went through the disappointed phase. Then the angry phase. Then the bitter phase. Now I am just looking for the best way to cut loses so that if I come back from my sojourn into other hobbies I will have more liquid resources then crap floating in space.
Originally by: Jerec Deepblue It's a shame. I mean, come on! The code for these things can't be that hard. I've written some very complex code in my life. If I did anything this buggy I would have lost my job years ago.
I have no idea about the code - but my thoughts were opposite - I think that in terms of POSs things would be fairly complex. All evidence would say that someone took a "big bite" out of the metaphorical "POS Cake," and CCP can't seem to chew it.
(Purposely without being specific) the brief brief word I got back from one of my petitions was that this has yet to be reproduced on the test server so anyone in this position is S.O.L. (not sure how the one guy from earlier in this thread got compensated).
Also - be very very clear when sending in a petition that you are sending in a petition for a particular POS. I sent in 1 petition for each POS that was down, and though I made it clear that it was for a particular POS, but got back something like "don't send in multiple petitions for the same issue..." yadda yadda yadda... so be crystal clear.
Originally by: Jerec Deepblue CCP Please get your act together. I guess in Iceland it's so frozen there are no bugs, so they don't know what bugs are and can't fix them?
I remember when I went through my "I want to give them help so they can fix this" stage. Now I couldn't give a damn; I'm reciprocating the attitude and respect shown to everyone in this thread, and everyone experiencing this bug. Whether it be the lack of responsible reporting/logging that would allow them to catch it, the inability/unwillingness to go the extra mile and do something as simple as go look at one of the continually affected towers after each down time, or even the decency to say something like, "hey, this sounds suck and we appreciate your diligence in reporting it - we need your help in tracking it down, what other information can we glean off of you? Thanks."
Instead you can count on a form letter that tells ya your S.O.L. -- have fun onlining! __________
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Talos Darkhart
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Posted - 2006.01.23 11:55:00 -
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Tbh I am not sure how ccp got it's reputation for good customer srvice because qutie frankly the amount of hassle getting anything sorted is shocking.
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Sfynx
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Posted - 2006.01.23 22:45:00 -
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After my last maintenance I left my small POSes for five days because I don't want to babysit them. Just came back to see how they are doing and... everything is OK. Structures still online, right amount of materials in there.
So I've been very lucky or they silently fixed it (in which case I'd expect a very happy dev spamming this thread with the great news).
Anyway, looks like I didn't lose any materials so far due to this issue, which is good.
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Ashis
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Posted - 2006.01.28 15:09:00 -
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Well, week 2 of my "Eve-lite" gaming schedule. Again I just logged in after 6 days to fuel 5 POSs (4 smalls, 1 large) and again everything was online. None of the POSs went below 23 hours of fuel.
I'm very interested to hear if anyone has continued to have the POS offlining problem. I'm not sure whether my luck has changed or CCP has figured out what the problem was since my last petition and corrected it.
Anyone? __________
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SpaceJockey
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Posted - 2006.03.09 23:11:00 -
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Large POS offlined (full of fuel) for no apparent reason , ive lost soverignty and had 12 hrs approx of no production , reaction ,shields or defences, ive petitioned but got the normal wait for a reply , reply.
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mamolian
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Posted - 2006.03.12 12:14:00 -
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Hmm everytime i read these threads, they seem to be Gallente and Amarr towers affected?
Ive used several minmatar towers, and havnt had any issues like you folks describe.. thankfully.
Really hope CCP get it all fixed soon, as there is a bunch of other POS issues that need to be resolved also. For the moment, just keep sending in those bug reports.. often, id imagine its based on how many similar reports they would recieve in a short period of time.. to root out just freak occurances (which might be easier fixed by destroying the tower, and starting again with GM assistance) If enough people submit the reports and often enough, it will get fixed.. but it probably wont be somthing that happens overnight.
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SpaceJockey
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Posted - 2006.03.13 16:34:00 -
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well what ever race of tower it is , mine has offlined again just after i got sov' back, Question i have if any GM's are listening as im still waiying a reply from u guys ,
If the pos gos down for no apparent reason and itthen gets attack we will be able to get the pos replaced as it was before it went offline and the moon back or is it a case of errrr no u wont?
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