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Kiarra Steele
SYNDAX CORPORATION Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.21 23:50:00 -
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A People without physical boundrys... A people together for the good of the people. A world not divided but united. A world without money or greed ? Can you imagine it ?
Money is broken on a fundamental level:
Money is intended to be a token of trade It would represent 1=1 of what exists if it worked as intended, but it does not.
Example:
I exchange with you one unit of currency for one unit of any commodity.
Now if that token of currency trully represented the comodity exchanged, then, it would dissapear from existance when the unit of commodity is consumed. Instead it remains.
What happens is the Commoditys of the earth are consumed and removed from the human domain whilst the currency grows and grows , ever more disrepresentative of what exists.
Money does not do the job it was *pretended* to do. Therefore Money is BROKEN !!
Long live the Human share ! |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2013.06.21 23:53:00 -
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Perception trumps reality.
Also, you entire line of thought presupposes that value can be agreed upon by everyone. Which is why it fails in the real world.
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Hicksimus
Hyperion Corporation
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Posted - 2013.06.21 23:55:00 -
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Nominal value? Do you have it? |
Samuelem Veterani
Son's of Eve
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Posted - 2013.06.21 23:57:00 -
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Agreed, yes Fiat money is very bad but this should probably be in OOP or w/e it is
Go watch Money as Debt and Money as Dent II and maybe Collapse
EDIT Might want to look into fractional reserve banking too thats a clever idea if you were the one you came up with it |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.06.21 23:58:00 -
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Kiarra Steele wrote:Money is intended to be a token of trade It would represent 1=1 of what exists if it worked as intended, but it does not. GǪlargely because it's not intended to work that way. At most (and this is still wildly inaccurate), it represents the effort required to create the commodity in question, which does not suddenly become nothing just because a consumable reaches the end of its journey. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Sex Slave Girl
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.21 23:58:00 -
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Isk, we can't go around it or ignore it.
Unless people will start trading with goods vs goods.
Anyone want to trade 400 Iterons for a Machariel? |
Short Stack122
Noblesse Oblige. Cult of War
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Posted - 2013.06.21 23:58:00 -
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Quote:The New York Fed destroys approximately five million unfit currency notes each business day.
http://www.newyorkfed.org/aboutthefed/fedpoint/fed11.html
money is destroyed.... |
Kiarra Steele
SYNDAX CORPORATION Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:00:00 -
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Samuelem Veterani wrote:Agreed, yes Fiat money is very bad but this should probably be in OOP or w/e it is
Go watch Money as Debt and Money as Dent II and maybe Collapse
Stop using money for trade TODAY !!
Also im sorry for using this forum for discussion but it seems some of the greatest minds of today play eve online and i want to make sure my ideas are shared if not agreed apon. |
Samuelem Veterani
Son's of Eve
5
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:01:00 -
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haha much more is created....... out of nowhere... |
Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:03:00 -
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Conservation of energy
Let's go back to olden times when people would barter with each other's crops.
Food for food.
Both parties would eat the food. In doing so they gained energy with which they can use to work the fields and do it again.
Now let's substitute money for one of them. Food is eaten and money is exchanged for other things such as paying someone else to work the fields. See? Still same energy coming out.
The creation of money isn't forever. Old bills will eventually get recycled. Inflation isn't forever. The Drake is a Lie |
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Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:05:00 -
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TLDR: Went full ******. -áGÖÑ-á
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Kiarra Steele
SYNDAX CORPORATION Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:07:00 -
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Samuelem Veterani wrote:haha much more is created....... out of nowhere...
In 1942(ish - in Socialist Germany) a loaf of bread cost so much money you would need a wheelbarrow to carry all the money to go buy the thing.
Yet we continue in our arrocance to think we are better than those who failed before us and commit the very same mistakes/ atrocirys ?
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Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:07:00 -
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Bitcoins, man...bitcoins. Toshiro Ozuwara > GOon cowards come fight Toshiro Ozuwara > Oh wait, you only camp when you got numberssss
I would fully support account bans by ccp for meta type stuff like this. |
Kiarra Steele
SYNDAX CORPORATION Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:08:00 -
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Princess Saskia wrote:TLDR: Went full ******.
I forgive you ..in about 20 years time when you catch up. |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:08:00 -
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What is this I don't even...
Congrads OP, my brain is fried. In order to get back to normal, I'm gonna have to gank some miners. Their blood is on your hands. Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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Kiarra Steele
SYNDAX CORPORATION Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:14:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:Conservation of energy
Let's go back to olden times when people would barter with each other's crops.
Food for food.
Both parties would eat the food. In doing so they gained energy with which they can use to work the fields and do it again.
Now let's substitute money for one of them. Food is eaten and money is exchanged for other things such as paying someone else to work the fields. See? Still same energy coming out.
The creation of money isn't forever. Old bills will eventually get recycled. Inflation isn't forever.
No the money is an interjection of fallacy and is evil. Broken from day one. Moreso once inflation is implyed apon it.
Money is like water:
When in an ice state Money = Commodity
When in a Water state Money= Money*inflatated state. based apon economy of trade and population. Disrepresentative of what exists but still workable.
When in a Gas state (as it is today) Money = Money Completley combusted. Completley disrepresentative of what exists and ,thus, allowing the disentrigration of human value apon the planet earth. |
Kiarra Steele
SYNDAX CORPORATION Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:15:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:What is this I don't even...
Congrads OP, my brain is fried. In order to get back to normal, I'm gonna have to gank some miners. Their blood is on your hands.
*Smiles* The more miners ganked the greater my share of the profits. Gank on my son, GANK ON !! |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
4690
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:16:00 -
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Not so stealth "Things cost too much' thread.
Actually...there wasnt anything steath about it at all....it was rimmed in neon and strobe lights with a cat yeowling into a megaphone on top of it while a parade was being thrown in its honor during a bjork concert.
Come to think about it....the cat yeowling into a megaphone may have actually been the bjork concert.....
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Samuelem Veterani
Son's of Eve
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:18:00 -
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Kiarra Steele wrote:
In 1942(ish - in Socialist Germany) a loaf of bread cost so much money you would need a wheelbarrow to carry all the money to go buy the thing.
Yet we continue in our arrocance to think we are better than those who failed before us and commit the very same mistakes/ atrocirys ?
I could not agree more but this is how its meant to happen though isn't it ? thats the plan!! |
Kiarra Steele
SYNDAX CORPORATION Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:22:00 -
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Tje value of a product is not in question, strech your mind further from your programming, the very act of exchanging a token of trade in place of a consumable and finite object is in question; AND the way in which that token of trade is manipulated to the benefit of those who did nothing to earn that token of trade besides stand between good men. |
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Kiarra Steele
SYNDAX CORPORATION Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:23:00 -
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Samuelem Veterani wrote:Kiarra Steele wrote:
In 1942(ish - in Socialist Germany) a loaf of bread cost so much money you would need a wheelbarrow to carry all the money to go buy the thing.
Yet we continue in our arrocance to think we are better than those who failed before us and commit the very same mistakes/ atrocirys ?
I could not agree more but this is how its meant to happen though isn't it ? thats the plan!!
and your happy with that "progression" of humanity ? |
Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
368
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:29:00 -
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I'm not sure I follow you OP. Money is simply a socially agreed upon currency that people can use to exchange for goods and services rather than bartering with their own goods and services. It facilitates trade by allowing parties who want said goods and services from a vendor that doesn't necessarily want your goods or services, if you even have any to trade for.
In any case, your argument is somewhat flawed, and I certainly don't want to sell a cheeseburger to someone and when they get done eating it have the $3.00 I charged them for it to disappear out of my wallet. I would like the opportunity to trade it for something I would like, and that's what happens - the money gets circulated as it passes hands for one good to another.
Furthermore, inflation of whatever currency you are using isn't determined by people still having cash after commodities have been consumed, it doesn't work like that. That money had to be printed somewhere, and that somewhere is probably a government. Inflation and the value of a currency used to be tied directly to how much printed money there is versus how much gold a country has....I'm not quite sure how they do it these days but I want to say it's compared to a countries GDP.
Well, that's a simple backwoods hyper-chicken way of looking at it, it's alot more complicated than that. |
Kiarra Steele
SYNDAX CORPORATION Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:36:00 -
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Kijo Rikki wrote:I'm not sure I follow you OP. Money is simply a socially agreed upon currency that people can use to exchange for goods and services rather than bartering with their own goods and services. It facilitates trade by allowing parties who want said goods and services from a vendor that doesn't necessarily want your goods or services, if you even have any to trade for.
In any case, your argument is somewhat flawed, and I certainly don't want to sell a cheeseburger to someone and when they get done eating it have the $3.00 I charged them for it to disappear out of my wallet. I would like the opportunity to trade it for something I would like, and that's what happens - the money gets circulated as it passes hands for one good to another.
Furthermore, inflation of whatever currency you are using isn't determined by people still having cash after commodities have been consumed, it doesn't work like that. That money had to be printed somewhere, and that somewhere is probably a government. Inflation and the value of a currency used to be tied directly to how much printed money there is versus how much gold a country has....I'm not quite sure how they do it these days but I want to say it's compared to a countries GDP.
Well, that's a simple backwoods hyper-chicken way of looking at it, it's alot more complicated than that.
Well spoken like a capitalist, user, exploiter, scycophant, lover of money, self serving, one world understanding, simple ineducated , lost for spirit, no future, hate filled, freedom denying, megalomaniac, manipulative, people and life hating son of a *insert expletive here* - just my opinion. - Im a Crimson Pimpernel - |
Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
368
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:37:00 -
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I see, you were trolling. Well played, sir. Well played. |
Kiarra Steele
SYNDAX CORPORATION Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:40:00 -
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Kijo Rikki wrote:I see, you were trolling. Well played, sir. Well played.
Not trolling at all and once i have broken the programming you and your paedophile masters have imposed apon our young we will brake free; and in doing so realise the full criminality of your impostion apon our humanity.
Once the people see what you and your evil greedy kind have done to the people of the world there will be no stopping the tide of vengance. YOUR TIME HAS COME !!
VICTORY TO THE PROLE !!! - Im a Crimson Pimpernel - |
Lidam
Hedion University Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:41:00 -
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Kiarra Steele wrote:
Well spoken like a capitalist, user, exploiter, scycophant, lover of money, self serving, one world understanding, simple ineducated , lost for spirit, no future, hate filled, freedom denying, megalomaniac, manipulative, people and life hating son of a *insert expletive here* - just my opinion.
As a lover of money, this post greatly offends me.
Excuse me as I go make another billion or so to feel better. |
Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
368
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:43:00 -
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Kiarra Steele wrote:Kijo Rikki wrote:I see, you were trolling. Well played, sir. Well played. Not trolling at all and once i have broken the programming you and your paedophile masters have imposed apon our young we will brake free; and in doing so realise the full criminality of your impostion apon our humanity. Once the people see what you and your evil greedy kind have done to the people of the world there will be no stopping the tide of vengance. YOUR TIME HAS COME !! VICTORY TO THE PROLE !!!
Ok but when you take over the world can you get started on the space program? I want to really see humanity reach for the stars before I die. |
Samuelem Veterani
Son's of Eve
5
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:45:00 -
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Kiarra Steele wrote:Samuelem Veterani wrote:Kiarra Steele wrote:
In 1942(ish - in Socialist Germany) a loaf of bread cost so much money you would need a wheelbarrow to carry all the money to go buy the thing.
Yet we continue in our arrocance to think we are better than those who failed before us and commit the very same mistakes/ atrocirys ?
I could not agree more but this is how its meant to happen though isn't it ? thats the plan!! and your happy with that "progression" of humanity ?
lol no I was being sarcastic, in the current system there is so much debt that it can NEVER be paid, the only reason we have lasted this long is the time lag between the new debt being created to pay of the old debt(with some clever shenanigans thrown in for good measure.) The current system if left to go to its logical conclusion would mean all the money would be in the hands of the lenders. However this and can not go on forever without some serious changes to the masses lifestyles or some form of population reduction.
The outcome of all this basically there will be a ruling class elite controlling(much more than they do now) or the peasants will revolt string up the aforementioned ruling elite and bring with it all the death and chaos that comes with that naturally. Either way it doesn't look pretty however If I can break my shackles the consequences might be worth it. |
Kiarra Steele
SYNDAX CORPORATION Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:45:00 -
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Kijo Rikki wrote:Kiarra Steele wrote:Kijo Rikki wrote:I see, you were trolling. Well played, sir. Well played. Not trolling at all and once i have broken the programming you and your paedophile masters have imposed apon our young we will brake free; and in doing so realise the full criminality of your impostion apon our humanity. Once the people see what you and your evil greedy kind have done to the people of the world there will be no stopping the tide of vengance. YOUR TIME HAS COME !! VICTORY TO THE PROLE !!! Ok but when you take over the world can you get started on the space program? I want to really see humanity reach for the stars before I die.
The hive mind.
This is the way to the stars. - Im a Crimson Pimpernel - |
Samuelem Veterani
Son's of Eve
6
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:57:00 -
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Important point to be made, what we have now is NOT capitalism its some weird hybrid neo ****. Point in case when the banks failed in the U.K. they should of been allowed to fail so a new system(people) could be put in place. What we have now is socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor. Iceland was bang on the nose here they let capitalism work.
Corporate are owning governments atm, one of the notable signs of fascism is when the corporate and the state come together. In th past it was governments taking over corporates, its just going the other way around atm howver we are not quite there yet... |
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