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Kiarra Steele
SYNDAX CORPORATION Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.22 01:03:00 -
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Samuelem Veterani wrote:Important point to be made, what we have now is NOT capitalism its some weird hybrid neo ****. Point in case when the banks failed in the U.K. they should of been allowed to fail so a new system(people) could be put in place. What we have now is socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor. Iceland was bang on the nose here they let capitalism work.
Corporate are owning governments atm, one of the notable signs of fascism is when the corporate and the state come together. In th past it was governments taking over corporates, its just going the other way around atm howver we are not quite there yet...
Again i say Money is BROKEN!/ - Im a Crimson Pimpernel - |
Adunh Slavy
1031
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Posted - 2013.06.22 01:08:00 -
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Kiarra Steele
SYNDAX CORPORATION Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.22 01:11:00 -
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Samuelem Veterani wrote:Kiarra Steele wrote:Samuelem Veterani wrote:Kiarra Steele wrote:
In 1942(ish - in Socialist Germany) a loaf of bread cost so much money you would need a wheelbarrow to carry all the money to go buy the thing.
Yet we continue in our arrocance to think we are better than those who failed before us and commit the very same mistakes/ atrocirys ?
I could not agree more but this is how its meant to happen though isn't it ? thats the plan!! and your happy with that "progression" of humanity ? lol no I was being sarcastic, in the current system there is so much debt that it can NEVER be paid, the only reason we have lasted this long is the time lag between the new debt being created to pay of the old debt(with some clever shenanigans thrown in for good measure.) The current system if left to go to its logical conclusion would mean all the money would be in the hands of the lenders. However this and can not go on forever without some serious changes to the masses lifestyles or some form of population reduction. The outcome of all this basically there will be a ruling class elite controlling(much more than they do now) or the peasants will revolt string up the aforementioned ruling elite and bring with it all the death and chaos that comes with that naturally. Either way it doesn't look pretty however If I can break my shackles the consequences might be worth it.
As i SaId Money is Broken , yet people would let them have a second chance?
OK people are fat and lazy but they deserve the chance to be slapped in the face with a wet fish and ujderstand what is happening to them. Dont they ?
- Im a Crimson Pimpernel - |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
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Posted - 2013.06.22 01:13:00 -
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Money/Capitalism may be broken, but there is currently no better system. Just cause a system is ****, doesn't mean it's not the best one going. Until some genius finds a working alternative, saying it's broken is ultimately pointless. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Fenix Caderu
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.22 01:15:00 -
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Kiarra Steele wrote:A People without physical boundrys... A people together for the good of the people. A world not divided but united. A world without money or greed ? Can you imagine it ?
Money is broken on a fundamental level:
Money is intended to be a token of trade It would represent 1=1 of what exists if it worked as intended, but it does not.
Example:
I exchange with you one unit of currency for one unit of any commodity.
Now if that token of currency trully represented the comodity exchanged, then, it would dissapear from existance when the unit of commodity is consumed. Instead it remains.
What happens is the Commoditys of the earth are consumed and removed from the human domain whilst the currency grows and grows , ever more disrepresentative of what exists.
Money does not do the job it was *pretended* to do. Therefore Money is BROKEN !!
Long live the Human share !
Resource-based economy? If that's what your talking about, it's true that it would be a lot better than a money based economy. But it'd never happen. The corporations would never let it. We already live in a world like EVE and the corporations already run everything. It's sad how many still don't realize that... Bigger picture = the very concept of money is broken, and has been since it was created. It may have started as a system of trade, but was easily turned into a system of control. And it's been so long no one even notices. Try burning a dollar bill in front of someone and watch them freak out. It's just paper. The real wealth is supposedly locked up in a vault, but you'll never see it. That's just how brainwashed we are...
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Adunh Slavy
1031
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Posted - 2013.06.22 01:19:00 -
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Money will exist as long as humans group together and wish to trade with one another. Which form it will take, who knows. There is far too much advantage in the ability to perform indirect trade by the use of the tool we call money.
Deluded Dreamers, Authoritarian Do Gooders and the Self Glorified Social Architects are the problem. |
Kiarra Steele
SYNDAX CORPORATION Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.22 01:20:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Money/Capitalism may be broken, but there is currently no better system. Just cause a system is ****, doesn't mean it's not the best one going. Until some genius finds a working alternative, saying it's broken is ultimately pointless.
Capitalism is not always the same thing as money.
Capitalism is the projection of imperial power apon the rest of the world.Capitalism is war for the sake of material gain. It might necessitate money but it is not money.
For Example:
To the people in Iraq and Afghanistand Capitalism looks like Depleted uranium bullets which cause not only the death of soldiers today, but the deformity and destruction of generations of familys for hundereds of not eternal years. yet we call ourselves civilised..
Capitalism is equivalent to struggle. It is darwinism. But as it stands today it ignores the individual. It hates and destroys the individual.
Money exists on its own without capitalism or communism and is a corrupt idea reguardless of the other credo/s we as humanity subscripe to. - Im a Crimson Pimpernel - |
Kaalika
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.22 01:21:00 -
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So, real life needs LP stores to act as a sink to counter inflation. Yes? |
Kiarra Steele
SYNDAX CORPORATION Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.22 01:24:00 -
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Kiarra Steele wrote:Arduemont wrote:Money/Capitalism may be broken, but there is currently no better system. Just cause a system is ****, doesn't mean it's not the best one going. Until some genius finds a working alternative, saying it's broken is ultimately pointless. Capitalism is not always the same thing as money. Capitalism is the projection of imperial power apon the rest of the world.Capitalism is war for the sake of material gain. It might necessitate money but it is not money. For Example: To the people in Iraq and Afghanistand Capitalism looks like Depleted uranium bullets which cause not only the death of soldiers today, but the deformity and destruction of generations of familys for hundereds of not eternal years. yet we call ourselves civilised.. Capitalism is equivalent to struggle. It is darwinism. But as it stands today it ignores the individual. It hates and destroys the individual. Money exists on its own without capitalism or communism and is a corrupt idea reguardless of the other credo/s we as humanity subscripe to.
What i propose, as a civilised conscious human being, is a system of survival that does not persecute humanity rather fathers or husbands it into a new age; untill one day we are ready to colonise the stars we can be unleashed agan to breed with inpunity. - Im a Crimson Pimpernel - |
Short Stack122
Noblesse Oblige. Cult of War
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Posted - 2013.06.22 01:34:00 -
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Samuelem Veterani wrote:haha much more is created....... out of nowhere...
Q: What is currency paper made of? A: Currency paper is one-fourth linen and three-fourths cotton.
not nothing, linen and cotton :D |
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Short Stack122
Noblesse Oblige. Cult of War
1
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Posted - 2013.06.22 01:37:00 -
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Kiarra Steele wrote:Arduemont wrote:Money/Capitalism may be broken, but there is currently no better system. Just cause a system is ****, doesn't mean it's not the best one going. Until some genius finds a working alternative, saying it's broken is ultimately pointless. Capitalism is equivalent to struggle. It is darwinism. But as it stands today it ignores the individual. It hates and destroys the individual. .
incorrect, it exults the individual. it punishes the hive minded and rewards the person who thinks above themselves. but thats my opinion |
Kiarra Steele
SYNDAX CORPORATION Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.22 01:57:00 -
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Short Stack122 wrote:Kiarra Steele wrote:Arduemont wrote:Money/Capitalism may be broken, but there is currently no better system. Just cause a system is ****, doesn't mean it's not the best one going. Until some genius finds a working alternative, saying it's broken is ultimately pointless. Capitalism is equivalent to struggle. It is darwinism. But as it stands today it ignores the individual. It hates and destroys the individual. . incorrect, it exults the individual. it punishes the hive minded and rewards the person who thinks above themselves. but thats my opinion
Yes an important point. I think you have made a great distinction. Some ,select few, individuals gain from the labours of the whole. What you describe is capitalism.
But communism sets the individual free by empowering the whole.
Capitalism Sets one individual free whilst enslaving the majority.
- Im a Crimson Pimpernel - |
Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
669
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Posted - 2013.06.22 02:04:00 -
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Kiarra Steele wrote:[ But communism sets the individual free by empowering the whole.
This made me laugh. Thank you. |
Short Stack122
Noblesse Oblige. Cult of War
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Posted - 2013.06.22 02:06:00 -
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Kiarra Steele wrote:Short Stack122 wrote:Kiarra Steele wrote:Arduemont wrote:Money/Capitalism may be broken, but there is currently no better system. Just cause a system is ****, doesn't mean it's not the best one going. Until some genius finds a working alternative, saying it's broken is ultimately pointless. Capitalism is equivalent to struggle. It is darwinism. But as it stands today it ignores the individual. It hates and destroys the individual. . incorrect, it exults the individual. it punishes the hive minded and rewards the person who thinks above themselves. but thats my opinion Yes an important point. I think you have made a great distinction. Some ,select few, individuals gain from the labours of the whole. What you describe is capitalism. But communism sets the individual free by empowering the whole. Capitalism Sets one individual free whilst enslaving the majority.
would, by your own logic, communism enslave ALL individuals to the whims of the majority?
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Anubis Joringer
Hot Caldari Babes
3
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Posted - 2013.06.22 02:11:00 -
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Kiarra Steele wrote:Short Stack122 wrote:Kiarra Steele wrote:Arduemont wrote:Money/Capitalism may be broken, but there is currently no better system. Just cause a system is ****, doesn't mean it's not the best one going. Until some genius finds a working alternative, saying it's broken is ultimately pointless. Capitalism is equivalent to struggle. It is darwinism. But as it stands today it ignores the individual. It hates and destroys the individual. . incorrect, it exults the individual. it punishes the hive minded and rewards the person who thinks above themselves. but thats my opinion Yes an important point. I think you have made a great distinction. Some ,select few, individuals gain from the labours of the whole. What you describe is capitalism. But communism sets the individual free by empowering the whole. Capitalism Sets one individual free whilst enslaving the majority.
So a collectivist philosophy frees the individual, but an individualist philosophy enslaves the individual to a collective will? That makes about as much sense as your choice of forum to begin this rant. |
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
661
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Posted - 2013.06.22 02:14:00 -
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Money is frequently removed from circulation.
Exchange is always based on perception of worth. The 1 unit rarely has the same value as the other unit, they have the same perceived value.
I pray the OP has nothing to do with handling other peoples money. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
716
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Posted - 2013.06.22 02:17:00 -
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I had no idea Paul Krugman played EVE. |
Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
215
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Posted - 2013.06.22 02:18:00 -
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Kiarra Steele is what happens when people anchor their identity in fashion. By the way, since we're already talking, do you want to buy a rifter? I've got the cheapest rifters in Metropolis. If you can find a cheaper rifter, buy it! |
Fenix Caderu
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.22 02:25:00 -
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Kiarra Steele wrote: What i propose, as a civilised conscious human being, is a system of survival that does not persecute humanity rather fathers or husbands it into a new age; untill one day we are ready to colonise the stars. Then we can be unleashed again to breed with inpunity.
Yay for "breeding with impunity"! lol. Have you seen thevenusproject.com? A lot of what you talk about sounds like things that are already being looked at. But like I said, concepts like these are bad for the powers that be and big business, and tend to disappear one way or another. Yeah money is broken, but it doesn't have to make sense if it was never meant to be fair in the first place..
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Zircon Dasher
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Posted - 2013.06.22 02:43:00 -
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I did not know money was something that can be an "itself".
Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'. |
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Kiarra Steele
SYNDAX CORPORATION Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.22 02:54:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:I did not know money was something that can be an "itself".
Then you are lost without a hope in oblivion. - Im a Crimson Pimpernel - |
Zircon Dasher
265
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Posted - 2013.06.22 03:21:00 -
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Kiarra Steele wrote:Then you are lost without a hope in oblivion.
Wait.... how did YOU know I was playing elder scroll again??
If I repair your broken money will you stop peeping in my window? Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'. |
Fairren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.22 03:51:00 -
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This is one of the most incoherent threads I've ever seen. |
Adunh Slavy
1031
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Posted - 2013.06.22 04:04:00 -
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Fairren wrote:This is one of the most incoherent threads I've ever seen.
The op is trolling and being completly bonkers on purpose.
P.S. there is a thread in F&I, about a guy that wants to play dress up barbies with a corpse, that you may find more interesting. |
Ohishi
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2013.06.22 04:05:00 -
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Grow food not lawns. Return to the local trade and stop supporting global organizations that pool money in the hands of the few. Stop government assistance to those who do not provide a service for the money they receive. Do not support organizations that use cheap/slave labor to build their products. Join a co-op, stop eating processed foods, don't support the Waltons. Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. Seek what they sought. |
Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
735
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Posted - 2013.06.22 04:07:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Fairren wrote:This is one of the most incoherent threads I've ever seen. The op is trolling and being completly bonkers on purpose.
1942 made it a dead give-away. |
Fairren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.22 04:08:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Fairren wrote:This is one of the most incoherent threads I've ever seen. The op is trolling and being completly bonkers on purpose. P.S. there is a thread in F&I, about a guy that wants to play dress up barbies with a corpse, that you may find more interesting. That's more creepy than incoherent. |
Kiarra Steele
SYNDAX CORPORATION Yulai Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.06.22 04:08:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Fairren wrote:This is one of the most incoherent threads I've ever seen. The op is trolling and being completly bonkers on purpose. P.S. there is a thread in F&I, about a guy that wants to play dress up barbies with a corpse, that you may find more interesting.
The OP is NOT trolling or bnkers. When You *paedophiles(Cash lovers/bankers etc)* stop grooming the young for your cash brothels(banks). The Vengance will sweep across the world and your scope for mercy will be slim.
Its not to late to pray for mercy. - Im a Crimson Pimpernel - |
Adunh Slavy
1031
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Posted - 2013.06.22 04:16:00 -
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Kiarra Steele wrote: The OP is NOT trolling or bnkers. When You *paedophiles(Cash lovers/bankers etc)* stop grooming the young for your cash brothels(banks). The Vengance will sweep across the world and your scope for mercy will be slim.
Its not to late to pray for mercy.
Ok well if you're not being a troll, then it is people like you, that think you know what is best for everyone else that are the problem. Currency in its current form came from the likes of you. Regulation that allows banks to get guaranteed support from governments came from the likes of you. Regulation that allows corporation to pollute other people's private property came from the likes of you.
So if you're not a troll, you're a danger to the world and hopefully will learn that you are misguided and the sooner your authoritarian ideas are neutered, the better.
Enjoy :)
*feeds troll popcorn* |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2286
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Posted - 2013.06.22 04:22:00 -
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Quote:5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
Quote:22. Post constructively.
Negative feedback can be very useful to further improve EVE Online provided that it is presented in a civil and factual manner. All users are encouraged to honestly express their feelings regarding EVE Online and how it can be improved. Posts that are non-constructive, insulting or in breach of the rules will be deleted regardless of how valid the ideas behind them may be. Users are also reminded that posting with a lack of content also constitutes non-constructive posting. Thread closed. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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