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Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
472
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Posted - 2013.09.03 22:29:00 -
[511] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:baltec1 wrote:They have already started this process with the ice changes. I hate to say this, but you earn more isk per hour ice mining than regular mining now unlike before the patch. Mostly this has to do with current prices, so if you mine ice, you make much more now than you would before the patch change. Before the patch prices were 100K per unit. Now its 200K and now you mine twice as fast. You do the math. If you happen to be in a system with 3 ice belts, you usually aren't hard up to find ice. Actually, I know people who fly between 2 belt and 3 belt systems so that they always have ice. It is impossible for high sec to meet the market demand for ice.
True, but high sec is making more money now than before because of supply and demand.
They can't meet the demand so the price doubled meaning they now only have to work in half as much time as they did before.
And this is doubled again because ice mining times were reduced by half after the patch.
So people who mined 8 hours a day now only have to work 2 to make the same amount of income. (Reduce 8 by half because double the white glaze prices and again by another half because of the reduction in mining time).
Which means people are earning quite a bit more if they can mine even a fraction of the amount of time before which many are. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
baltec1
Bat Country
7809
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Posted - 2013.09.03 22:36:00 -
[512] - Quote
Captain Tardbar wrote:
True, but high sec is making more money now than before because of supply and demand.
They can't meet the demand so the price doubled meaning they now only have to work in half as much time as they did before.
And this is doubled again because ice mining times were reduced by half after the patch.
So people who mined 8 hours a day now only have to work 2 to make the same amount of income. (Reduce 8 by half because double the white glaze prices and again by another half because of the reduction in mining time).
Which means people are earning quite a bit more if they can mine even a fraction of the amount of time before which many are.
Only they cant mine 8 hours a day in high sec due to the spawn mechanics. |
baltec1
Bat Country
7809
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Posted - 2013.09.03 22:39:00 -
[513] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Apples and oranges. Ratting and missions are two different income opportunities.
Anoms are our variation of missions in sov null.
What is the point in owning and defending an empire in null if the best option is to make our isk outside of it in high sec? This is the problem, high sec offers too much for little effort or risk. |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
472
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Posted - 2013.09.03 22:44:00 -
[514] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:
True, but high sec is making more money now than before because of supply and demand.
They can't meet the demand so the price doubled meaning they now only have to work in half as much time as they did before.
And this is doubled again because ice mining times were reduced by half after the patch.
So people who mined 8 hours a day now only have to work 2 to make the same amount of income. (Reduce 8 by half because double the white glaze prices and again by another half because of the reduction in mining time).
Which means people are earning quite a bit more if they can mine even a fraction of the amount of time before which many are.
Only they cant mine 8 hours a day in high sec due to the spawn mechanics.
I didn't say they mined 8 hours a day currently. It was before they patch that many people did this.
I simply said the current situations has been buffed so you only have to mine 2 hours instead of 8 and get the same amount of income.
And its possible to mine more than 2 hours easily so incomes for individual miners has gone up.
But if we are talking about averages... I'll be honest and tell you I don't know, but if I got paid twice as much and only had to mine half as less, then I would consider the patch to be a buff.
The only people who are complaining about it are the people who wanted to watch netflix and ice mine. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
341
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Posted - 2013.09.03 22:47:00 -
[515] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:No. That's not my argument. My argument is that level 4 missions have very little to do with the price of plex. Which is what in most cases this boils down too. People want cheap gametime and assume because its not cheap that its because too much ISK is in the economy. Which may be partly true but it's very disingenuous to say all this extra ISK comes from Level 4 missions as opposed to nullsec. It also greatly downplays if not outright ignores the effect of supply and demand and traders spiking the price by buying up excess gametime and holding on to it. I did this recently with Faction kinetic heavy missiles. EVE is an unregulated economy and monopoly is the name of the game.
The second part of my overall argument is that making hisec suck will not make low, null or wormholes better or bursting at the seams with people. It'll just make hisec suck.
I am with this guy, spot on +1 Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
341
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Posted - 2013.09.03 22:55:00 -
[516] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:baltec1 wrote:At this point I will again point out that level 4 missions offer around the same level of income as null sec.
Running around in a shiffit cruisers in nullsec is no more riskier than a multi billion dollar blingship in hisec. I don't see the issue. Assuming of course this statement is even close to true. Risk versus reward is not an absolute. You are not taking more risk just by the virtue of being in nullsec. Its all situation dependent. What nullsec wants to do is convince CCP that they must be making 50-100 times the income of hisec just by virtue of the little red sec number. So you dock up when a neut enters local in high sec? You get hotdrops? You can be kicked out of you station system? Sorry but high sec is damn near perfect safety and null if far from that. The issue is that there is no reason to take on the much higher risks of low and null while level 4s offer around the same income with near perfect safsty.
That's horse ****, high sec is not perfect safety, you've obviously never been wardecced. Take a look at the map most days more people die in highsec than in low or null. I've lived in null and if you are in the right corp and blue to lots of people, you can farm isk all day long. It's safer than highsec. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2682
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Posted - 2013.09.03 22:58:00 -
[517] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: Of course you can't because any review of the things I linked will demonstrate that what I'm saying is true: EVe has too many faucets, not enough sinks and missions are a big huge slice of that because there are so many mission runners. The game would benefit from more risk in pve (namely missions but also other content like anomalies and complexes) because as it is now pve doesn't kill big ships very often and big ships (stuff with material produced in game as they are) blowing up if good for everyone.
ME losing that navy BS was not good for ME. Thats will most likely be his argument. In my case, it did make me learn something so it was still somewhat good.
Yea, but then you have some sense lol. People with good sense can understand that sometimes bad things happening to me (in a game) can be good for the game overall. It doesn't mean I didn't rage when I autopilted that Jf to jita then fell asleep, totally forgetting about that pesky war-dec......
But the destuction of that JF and the 400mil in cargo that popped was good for someone, and thus good for the game overall.
Look at this Caliph guy defending mindless missions when what I suggest is better, more fun missions (and copmplexes, and anoms) that incidientally kill more ships than die now. Nothing wrong with maintaining the status quo when it's good but a sucky status quo needs to go. |
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone Caldari State
435
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Posted - 2013.09.03 23:04:00 -
[518] - Quote
I've never once disagreed with making missions more interactive or even challenging. What I do disagree with, Jenn, is arbitrarily reducing hisec income with nothing but gut feelings and bias as the evidence for doing such.
Change is only good when it improves the life of everyone. Change for the sake of change is almost always bad. |
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone Caldari State
437
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Posted - 2013.09.03 23:09:00 -
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
802
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Posted - 2013.09.03 23:12:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:baltec1 wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:baltec1 wrote:At this point I will again point out that level 4 missions offer around the same level of income as null sec.
Running around in a shiffit cruisers in nullsec is no more riskier than a multi billion dollar blingship in hisec. I don't see the issue. Assuming of course this statement is even close to true. Risk versus reward is not an absolute. You are not taking more risk just by the virtue of being in nullsec. Its all situation dependent. What nullsec wants to do is convince CCP that they must be making 50-100 times the income of hisec just by virtue of the little red sec number. So you dock up when a neut enters local in high sec? You get hotdrops? You can be kicked out of you station system? Sorry but high sec is damn near perfect safety and null if far from that. The issue is that there is no reason to take on the much higher risks of low and null while level 4s offer around the same income with near perfect safsty. That's horse ****, high sec is not perfect safety, you've obviously never been wardecced. Take a look at the map most days more people die in highsec than in low or null. I've lived in null and if you are in the right corp and blue to lots of people, you can farm isk all day long. It's safer than highsec.
you never see the isk/hr or total isk earned comparisons presented in population density factors either .... not that i'm claiming that certain people deliberately misrepresent any information they present of course
people presenting data that only supports their point of view ..... inconceivable |
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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
341
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Posted - 2013.09.03 23:14:00 -
[521] - Quote
Kitty Bear wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:baltec1 wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:baltec1 wrote:At this point I will again point out that level 4 missions offer around the same level of income as null sec.
Running around in a shiffit cruisers in nullsec is no more riskier than a multi billion dollar blingship in hisec. I don't see the issue. Assuming of course this statement is even close to true. Risk versus reward is not an absolute. You are not taking more risk just by the virtue of being in nullsec. Its all situation dependent. What nullsec wants to do is convince CCP that they must be making 50-100 times the income of hisec just by virtue of the little red sec number. So you dock up when a neut enters local in high sec? You get hotdrops? You can be kicked out of you station system? Sorry but high sec is damn near perfect safety and null if far from that. The issue is that there is no reason to take on the much higher risks of low and null while level 4s offer around the same income with near perfect safsty. That's horse ****, high sec is not perfect safety, you've obviously never been wardecced. Take a look at the map most days more people die in highsec than in low or null. I've lived in null and if you are in the right corp and blue to lots of people, you can farm isk all day long. It's safer than highsec. you never see the isk/hr or total isk earned comparisons presented in population density factors either .... not that i'm claiming that certain people deliberately misrepresent any information they present of course people presenting data that only supports their point of view ..... inconceivable
Yeah, so when are you going to stop... Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
probag Bear
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.09.03 23:25:00 -
[522] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:At this point I will again point out that level 4 missions offer around the same level of income as null sec.
Easy solution: run L4 missions in nullsec. You can easily break 250mil/hr if you don't waste your time salvaging. |
baltec1
Bat Country
7814
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Posted - 2013.09.03 23:55:00 -
[523] - Quote
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
That's horse ****, high sec is not perfect safety, you've obviously never been wardecced. Take a look at the map most days more people die in highsec than in low or null. I've lived in null and if you are in the right corp and blue to lots of people, you can farm isk all day long. It's safer than highsec.
Please point out where I said perfect safety.
Also most one man corps will never be wardeced and those that are can drop to NPC corps to avoid the wardec or just be in an NPC corp to start with. Null is not safer than high sec due to the fact that null does not have concord to protect you. Anoyone who says high sec in more dangerous is spouting nonsense. |
baltec1
Bat Country
7814
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Posted - 2013.09.03 23:57:00 -
[524] - Quote
probag Bear wrote:baltec1 wrote:At this point I will again point out that level 4 missions offer around the same level of income as null sec. Easy solution: run L4 missions in nullsec. You can easily break 250mil/hr if you don't waste your time salvaging.
There may be one or two issues with stuffing 40000 into 5 systems in venal. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
653
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Posted - 2013.09.03 23:59:00 -
[525] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Apples and oranges. Ratting and missions are two different income opportunities.
Anoms are our variation of missions in sov null. What is the point in owning and defending an empire in null if the best option is to make our isk outside of it in high sec? This is the problem, high sec offers too much for little effort or risk.
I'm kinda curious about the anom running. Let's say someone was not exactly scared of appearing in a ALOD article, what kind of ticks could a bling fitted ship get if he had free access to anoms like missions can be farmed? Has anyone ever done it or is the potential ship loss always driving people away from this idea? |
baltec1
Bat Country
7814
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Posted - 2013.09.04 00:09:00 -
[526] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:baltec1 wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Apples and oranges. Ratting and missions are two different income opportunities.
Anoms are our variation of missions in sov null. What is the point in owning and defending an empire in null if the best option is to make our isk outside of it in high sec? This is the problem, high sec offers too much for little effort or risk. I'm kinda curious about the anom running. Let's say someone was not exactly scared of appearing in a ALOD article, what kind of ticks could a bling fitted ship get if he had free access to anoms like missions can be farmed? Has anyone ever done it or is the potential ship loss always driving people away from this idea?
There was a time people did them in blap titans.
I think some russians still run them in supers, I know of one RA Nyx that got blown up in one when his bot went wrong last year.
With todays patch I would expect to see a lot of ishtars. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
653
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Posted - 2013.09.04 00:22:00 -
[527] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:baltec1 wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Apples and oranges. Ratting and missions are two different income opportunities.
Anoms are our variation of missions in sov null. What is the point in owning and defending an empire in null if the best option is to make our isk outside of it in high sec? This is the problem, high sec offers too much for little effort or risk. I'm kinda curious about the anom running. Let's say someone was not exactly scared of appearing in a ALOD article, what kind of ticks could a bling fitted ship get if he had free access to anoms like missions can be farmed? Has anyone ever done it or is the potential ship loss always driving people away from this idea? There was a time people did them in blap titans. I think some russians still run them in supers, I know of one RA Nyx that got blown up in one when his bot went wrong last year. With todays patch I would expect to see a lot of ishtars.
Yeah but is it the equivalent in power to a pimp fitted mach for missioning? How does the income stacks up approximately? |
baltec1
Bat Country
7815
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Posted - 2013.09.04 00:44:00 -
[528] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Yeah but is it the equivalent in power to a pimp fitted mach for missioning? How does the income stacks up approximately?
When you factor in downtime for things like that neut in local or too many in system doing anoms then you might as well be doing level 4s. Around the same isk but much less risk and no downtime. ISboxing anoms also works with missions and can earn you crazy sums of cash. Incursions are a better option for one account people though. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1019
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Posted - 2013.09.04 00:56:00 -
[529] - Quote
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:La Nariz wrote:March rabbit wrote:La Nariz wrote:Alright highsec people why should something you can do in complete safety be more lucrative than something you cannot do in complete safety? Alright 0.0 person why do you think high-sec == "complete safety"? Other 0.0 people would like to have word with you Add bombs, bubbles, nerf concord, make npcs more deadly and add AFK cloaking to highsec then we can agree that highsec is not completely safe. Another perfect example of flinging **** on the wall. Muddle the definition of "complete safety" and throw it against the wall. Cross your fingers and hope it sticks :P.
Glad to see we agree that highsec is completely safe. Continue to live in your echo chamber where you only want to hear opinions in-line with your own and stubbornly ignore facts eloquently provided to you while viciously spewing venom at dissenting opinions or non-supportive facts. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
653
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Posted - 2013.09.04 01:53:00 -
[530] - Quote
La Nariz wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:La Nariz wrote:March rabbit wrote:La Nariz wrote:Alright highsec people why should something you can do in complete safety be more lucrative than something you cannot do in complete safety? Alright 0.0 person why do you think high-sec == "complete safety"? Other 0.0 people would like to have word with you Add bombs, bubbles, nerf concord, make npcs more deadly and add AFK cloaking to highsec then we can agree that highsec is not completely safe. Another perfect example of flinging **** on the wall. Muddle the definition of "complete safety" and throw it against the wall. Cross your fingers and hope it sticks :P. Glad to see we agree that highsec is completely safe. Continue to live in your echo chamber where you only want to hear opinions in-line with your own and stubbornly ignore facts eloquently provided to you while viciously spewing venom at dissenting opinions or non-supportive facts.
Let's accuse other people of ignoring the fact while making assumption that high sec is completely safe while ignoring the fact of the possibility of running an interdiction... High sec sure is completely safe when someone can blow up someone else's ship...
Spreading lies does not help... |
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The Greenmachine Greenmachine
Green's Bicycle Shop
36
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Posted - 2013.09.04 01:54:00 -
[531] - Quote
I laugh at how OP considers missions at any level good isk. I also laugh at everybody arguing over something so unprofitable |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1019
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Posted - 2013.09.04 02:17:00 -
[532] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:Let's accuse other people of ignoring the fact while making assumption that high sec is completely safe while ignoring the fact of the possibility of running an interdiction... High sec sure is completely safe when someone can blow up someone else's ship...
Spreading lies does not help...
If you can find away around the ~highsec intellectual echo chamber~ let me know until then their method has been proven to work so I am going to use it.
Highsec is safe and pays better than nullsec. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
580
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Posted - 2013.09.04 03:59:00 -
[533] - Quote
La Nariz wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:La Nariz wrote:March rabbit wrote:La Nariz wrote:Alright highsec people why should something you can do in complete safety be more lucrative than something you cannot do in complete safety? Alright 0.0 person why do you think high-sec == "complete safety"? Other 0.0 people would like to have word with you Add bombs, bubbles, nerf concord, make npcs more deadly and add AFK cloaking to highsec then we can agree that highsec is not completely safe. Another perfect example of flinging **** on the wall. Muddle the definition of "complete safety" and throw it against the wall. Cross your fingers and hope it sticks :P. Glad to see we agree that highsec is completely safe. Continue to live in your echo chamber where you only want to hear opinions in-line with your own and stubbornly ignore facts eloquently provided to you while viciously spewing venom at dissenting opinions or non-supportive facts. Like the "fact" that hi sec is "completely safe", right? There is a sense of desperation with you lot that simply gets more obvious as you post your nonsense drivel. Forgive me for not taking your "facts" seriously. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
436
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Posted - 2013.09.04 04:19:00 -
[534] - Quote
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:baltec1 wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:baltec1 wrote:At this point I will again point out that level 4 missions offer around the same level of income as null sec.
Running around in a shiffit cruisers in nullsec is no more riskier than a multi billion dollar blingship in hisec. I don't see the issue. Assuming of course this statement is even close to true. Risk versus reward is not an absolute. You are not taking more risk just by the virtue of being in nullsec. Its all situation dependent. What nullsec wants to do is convince CCP that they must be making 50-100 times the income of hisec just by virtue of the little red sec number. So you dock up when a neut enters local in high sec? You get hotdrops? You can be kicked out of you station system? Sorry but high sec is damn near perfect safety and null if far from that. The issue is that there is no reason to take on the much higher risks of low and null while level 4s offer around the same income with near perfect safsty. That's horse ****, high sec is not perfect safety, you've obviously never been wardecced. Take a look at the map most days more people die in highsec than in low or null. I've lived in null and if you are in the right corp and blue to lots of people, you can farm isk all day long. It's safer than highsec.
Wrong, most null alliances are dec'd 7 months out of the year.
And having blues does nothing to stop cyno range. For example, from Serpentis Prime I can blops portal to nearly all of Fountain, including all of the good true sec systems.
And that is NPC space there is nothing we can do about the locals there. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
653
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Posted - 2013.09.04 04:32:00 -
[535] - Quote
Onictus wrote:
Wrong, most null alliances are dec'd 7 months out of the year.
And having blues does nothing to stop cyno range. For example, from Serpentis Prime I can blops portal to nearly all of Fountain, including all of the good true sec systems.
And that is NPC space there is nothing we can do about the locals there.
7 month? I honestly though it was 12. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
436
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Posted - 2013.09.04 04:36:00 -
[536] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:Onictus wrote:
Wrong, most null alliances are dec'd 7 months out of the year.
And having blues does nothing to stop cyno range. For example, from Serpentis Prime I can blops portal to nearly all of Fountain, including all of the good true sec systems.
And that is NPC space there is nothing we can do about the locals there.
7 month? I honestly though it was 12.
I was being generous, right now I haven't been dec'd for a week and its a record for the last few months.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4284
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Posted - 2013.09.04 05:13:00 -
[537] - Quote
Please kill more idiots undocking in jita with an in-corp alt There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
436
|
Posted - 2013.09.04 05:23:00 -
[538] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Please kill more idiots undocking in jita with an in-corp alt
Preferably in a freighter.......there's always one. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4285
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Posted - 2013.09.04 05:35:00 -
[539] - Quote
Oh great, there are some other hilarious killmails which I've seen linked. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
342
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Posted - 2013.09.04 16:06:00 -
[540] - Quote
Onictus wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:baltec1 wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:baltec1 wrote:At this point I will again point out that level 4 missions offer around the same level of income as null sec.
Running around in a shiffit cruisers in nullsec is no more riskier than a multi billion dollar blingship in hisec. I don't see the issue. Assuming of course this statement is even close to true. Risk versus reward is not an absolute. You are not taking more risk just by the virtue of being in nullsec. Its all situation dependent. What nullsec wants to do is convince CCP that they must be making 50-100 times the income of hisec just by virtue of the little red sec number. So you dock up when a neut enters local in high sec? You get hotdrops? You can be kicked out of you station system? Sorry but high sec is damn near perfect safety and null if far from that. The issue is that there is no reason to take on the much higher risks of low and null while level 4s offer around the same income with near perfect safsty. That's horse ****, high sec is not perfect safety, you've obviously never been wardecced. Take a look at the map most days more people die in highsec than in low or null. I've lived in null and if you are in the right corp and blue to lots of people, you can farm isk all day long. It's safer than highsec. Wrong, most null alliances are dec'd 7 months out of the year. And having blues does nothing to stop cyno range. For example, from Serpentis Prime I can blops portal to nearly all of Fountain, including all of the good true sec systems. And that is NPC space there is nothing we can do about the locals there.
Life is so ******* hard for you. QQ I thought you guys wanted increased risk for the bigger rewards of null sec. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
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