|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 3 post(s) |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
430
|
Posted - 2013.08.25 12:59:00 -
[1] - Quote
Khemax wrote:I Believe that the level 4 mission payouts are at a good level compared to other money making activities, but the level 2/3 ones could do with an increase....especially level 3s
Who cares, if you are even remotely competent you are only stuck in level 3s for like 2 days, less if you spend a couple days on the relevant social skills to boost your standing gains. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
431
|
Posted - 2013.08.26 13:34:00 -
[2] - Quote
Kitty Bear wrote:
tbh anyone who claims that hi-sec is perfect safety for mission runners is both a deluded fool and a liar
Well its not bloody dangerous if you aren't a tard and/or don't run around with a 13 billion isk officer fit. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
432
|
Posted - 2013.08.26 14:26:00 -
[3] - Quote
Kitty Bear wrote:Onictus wrote:Kitty Bear wrote:
tbh anyone who claims that hi-sec is perfect safety for mission runners is both a deluded fool and a liar
Well its not bloody dangerous if you aren't a tard and/or don't run around with a 13 billion isk officer fit. not dangerous does not equal perfect safety non-consensual pvp is always a possibility once you hit the undock button just because it's less likely to happen in hi-sec does not mean it is never going to happen. not all gankers gank for shiny loots or faction item laden kill-mails, some just gank people for the hell of it and being/playing smart won't stop it happening.
Yeah OK, and how often does that happen?
I used to fly around with some pretty shiney **** in hisec and I never had anyone even TRY to gank me cold, they would screw around and try to get me to aggress them, but if I didn't do something dumb like shoot at them, they would eventually **** off. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
432
|
Posted - 2013.08.27 13:49:00 -
[4] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote: L4 ship + fitting that actually nets 60 mil an hour? Post your best. Then calculate the SP involved. You thought about this for sure.
No they are counting LP.
Which is crap because there is a hell of a lot more time involved in moving stuff around and getting it sold. I could pull a half bill a week in hi sec pretty easily, but it was time intensive and required three accounts. 1) Primary bling boat to get the missions done 2) noctics/hauler alt to move loot/mods/sale items 3) market toon to sit there and sell it all in whatever hub I was near.
|
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
432
|
Posted - 2013.08.27 14:14:00 -
[5] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Onictus wrote:No they are counting LP.
Which is crap because there is a hell of a lot more time involved in moving stuff around and getting it sold. I could pull a half bill a week in hi sec pretty easily, but it was time intensive and required three accounts. 1) Primary bling boat to get the missions done 2) noctics/hauler alt to move loot/mods/sale items 3) market toon to sit there and sell it all in whatever hub I was near. That just meant you were being inefficient. Tip #1: drop the noctis. Looting and salvaging is a waste of time compared to just running more missions. Tip #2: drop the market toon. You don't need one to sell in bulk unless you absolutely want to .01 every order you put out GÇö even if you use sell orders, it gets soled eventually. Again, a waste of time compared to just running more missions. So no, the added time and effort for going the LP route is absolutely minimal. If it takes more than maybe an hour or so once or twice a month, you're doing something wrong, and you certainly don't need any additional accounts to maximise your mission income, other than if you want to run several missions in parallel.
Not exactly the easiest way to cash in the LP is on impants, however, its not hard to saturate the market that way, so faction ammo was a good way to go around which required the noctics to get enough ore to make the ammo to convert.
Otherwise you are trying to sell the LP so to speak which is also annoying and the time on the market is spent negotiation rates.
60mil an hour is possible simply grinding the missions but that also required having a good spread of agents and getting lucky on mission draws. I'd probably pull around 45 usually, and that was dropping all of the annoying/faction missions and hopeing. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
433
|
Posted - 2013.08.29 20:38:00 -
[6] - Quote
Trudeaux Margaret wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Why don't we just find a way to nerf blitzing since it's obvioulsy the broken way to run mission? Would it put missionning at an OK level of income? If mission-running is nerfed, this should be it. Throw in plex blitzing while you're at it. (yes, that'll be an unpopular suggestion!)
So tell me how the hell you blitz a plex? |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
434
|
Posted - 2013.09.02 19:35:00 -
[7] - Quote
130m an hour is more than I can make in -1.0 true sec running anoms usually, that caps out around 100m an hour....using two accounts. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
435
|
Posted - 2013.09.02 22:19:00 -
[8] - Quote
ExcalibursTemplar wrote:Onictus wrote:130m an hour is more than I can make in -1.0 true sec running anoms usually, that caps out around 100m an hour....using two accounts. There was a guy claiming he could Make that much L4 missions running in a Machariel on the missions and complexes subforum a couple of weeks back. It turned out he was running two pimped Machariels at the same time. Also he would collect a load of bookmarks while running L4 to salvage he would then drop one Mach and bring out his noctis to salvage while he still ran missions with the other mach. The salvage he collected he would then use to make rigs and ships iirc. All that extra work added togethor was how one particular person i know of makes 130 mill an hour from L4 mission running. Me personally i think he's talking right out of his arse counting all that stuff togethor as one thing. In fact he's just as bad as one of those crazy indy types that think because they mined the minerals themselves for manufactoring they were free so they can sell there stuff at a lost compared to everyone else.
I'd call bullshit there, and I've done the mach + noctis thing
|
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
436
|
Posted - 2013.09.03 09:48:00 -
[9] - Quote
Eva Hart wrote:I'm guessing you wouldn't like to hear how lvl V mission are easily 200-400 an hour depending on your luck... sometimes more
Between the pirate cat and mouse, and the need to be either very shine and/using multiple accounts just to compete.....along with the standing beatdown no one is complaining about level 5s
Plus I would wager for every time you are pulling 200 mil you are hiding or fighting off interlopers.
Unlike level 4s that you can reasonably expect to pull 40~60 mil an hour uninterrupted till you stab your eyes out from the boredom. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
436
|
Posted - 2013.09.03 12:59:00 -
[10] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Now, if you want people in nullsec there is one solution. And that is to remove local intel. Mind you, you will not get more people in the alliances currently established but you will get more there to visit. Without that option you can go beyond lowering the wealth generation of level 4s, hell remove them from game and leave just level 1s in hisec. None of any significant number are going to suddenly forget about the 5 reasons I just mentioned.
Move the level 4s to low sec.....all of them. Then make lowsec border regions between all of the empires so there is room. Because you can't pay for a lot with level 3 income figure that is what maybe 10mil an hour being gracious.
This would have a couple of interesting effects. 1) With the border regions it would be a LOT harder to "I'm just going to haul this to Jita" you can now (I know all of the quick ways from say Hiematar run through low) and you can certainly run that way. However, it means that the markets have to get a bit more regional. Because you aren't just going to haul a frieghter across three or four low sec jumps.
....well you can I'm sure the local pirate types would love it. See emergent gameplay
2) With the level 4 missions agents in low sec you get more reward per mission, which is fine, since there is going to be a fair bit of cat and mouse just to do a mission, because PvE battleships are easy as hell to gank, so people are either going to have to run in groups or just use a PvP fit which can potentially be god aweful slow.
Tinkering with rewards and bounties can tune it further, but it would make the game a hell of a lot more interesting.
|
|
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
436
|
Posted - 2013.09.03 13:24:00 -
[11] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:Just ignored every point I made eh?
Don't worry, 95% of everyone else will too because facts and realities don't matter. Pie in the sky delusions of hisec mission ships prancing into low/null sec for the plundering just sounds so awesome!
Who said all of the "prancing" bling boats would be trapesing around low, I would hope that better sense would prevail. It may no but it may. More importantly its a conflict driver, once you accept a mission you are on a timer do it or lose statnding, and there are only so many 2% hits that you can take before you lose access to an agent.
It takes ten or more people to pull incrusion level incomes, and there is stiff competition to actually make that happen. But, you get myrid claims here that people are pulling anomally level incomes......all safe and secure under concord.
So much for risk vs reward eh?
Caliph Muhammed wrote: Who am I to awaken the dim masses with reality? Spend as much time as you'd like with fact-less armchair economics and delusions of success. This time next year you'll be just as bored in null/low as you are now. CCP has no way to force anyone to be a victim that won't cut into their profits. And no one is going to be allowed to do that.
What gives you the idea that I am the slightest bit bored? I moved out of both hi sec and low sec because they were boring, I spent a lot more time looking for things to do than actually doing them....and running level 4s in high makes me want slit my wrists after about 3.
Caliph Muhammed wrote: It was once said level 5s in low sec would make it a vibrant land of death and destruction. And now its level 4s. What is it they say about repeating the same exact action and expecting different results?
Yes, but the simple fact is that there is a HUGE divergence between the income available. A T1 BS with T1 rigs runs in the neighborhood or 300mil now meaning you would need 30 hours to replace a battleship on level 3 income, around the same for the T2 cruisers a full workweek for a T3.
...or just sit in hi and do what? Run level 3s with a Drake? |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
436
|
Posted - 2013.09.03 13:26:00 -
[12] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:If missionning income is so out of wack, why are people throwing billions of ISK to large alliance just for the right to live in a sull system? Are they all idiots not understanding where the money is?
If the income is so unbalanced, why are people going through all the trouble of moving **** to and from null to farm in thier system insetad of farming with no problem in high?
The easy answer there is bots. Plain and simple.
|
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
436
|
Posted - 2013.09.03 13:31:00 -
[13] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:
The proper fix is injecting more risk in to level 4 missions. The NPC AI change was a good start and is healthy for the EVE economy in that it actually spurred more drone consumption and production. Prior to the npc AI change, the only time dropnes were lost were in pvp or if a mission runner warped off and forgot them.
Like I said, toss them all out into low sec. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
436
|
Posted - 2013.09.03 14:30:00 -
[14] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Onictus wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
The proper fix is injecting more risk in to level 4 missions. The NPC AI change was a good start and is healthy for the EVE economy in that it actually spurred more drone consumption and production. Prior to the npc AI change, the only time dropnes were lost were in pvp or if a mission runner warped off and forgot them.
Like I said, toss them all out into low sec. I disagree with that, if for no other reason is it fuels that irrational "high sec persecution complex" where they allow themeslve to think that the ONLY motivation I and those like me have is that "you don't like my playstyle" lol. But also because it doesn't work. Put lvl 4s in low sec and watch the brand spanking new LEVEL 3 community burst into existence like the Big Bang. Lvl 5s and incursions and all the rewards outside of high sec prove that no level of reward justifies any level of risk for a great many PVE players. Lvl 4s in low sec just means waste content.
Someone will run them. Don't want to risk it, have fun spending 4 days to buy a battlecruiser. It would likely bring prices down on exotic stuff, because there would be a LOT less isk in the system. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
436
|
Posted - 2013.09.03 15:08:00 -
[15] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:Onictus wrote:Someone will run them. Don't want to risk it, have fun spending 4 days to buy a battlecruiser. It would likely bring prices down on exotic stuff, because there would be a LOT less isk in the system. And this would be why you aren't the CEO of a company. Do you believe, as an example myself, with 63? of 65?million combat oriented skill points am going to keep my sub active with a general activity of level 3 missions to do? You think what? I'm going to suddenly decide to go live in your alliance controlled space? You are a simp. I think you overvalue how valuable EVE is. This game is not irreplaceable in that sense. I say that in the what if your pipe dream came true sense. I sit comfortably knowing my dollar buys more than your personal favor.
Yeah that is the point. Bitches like you are part of the problem.
Nut up, I lived in low for about a year exploiting level4s in low sec because they were were the lv 20 agents were. Harden up. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
436
|
Posted - 2013.09.03 15:19:00 -
[16] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:Onictus wrote:Yeah that is the point. Bitches like you are part of the problem. Your mother. O and don't try and soften up the comment with an additional comment. Cause I mean precisely what I say about your mother. Chump. gotcha hide in your NPC corp.
60m SP wasted if you ask me. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
436
|
Posted - 2013.09.03 15:24:00 -
[17] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:Onictus wrote:Yeah that is the point. Bitches like you are part of the problem. Your mother. O and don't try and soften up the comment with an additional comment. Cause I mean precisely what I say about your mother. Chump.
why don't you come do something about it? Oh thats right, because you are a useless carebaar that can't do anything but insult people that have no stake in the conversation.
My comment stands.
*****. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
436
|
Posted - 2013.09.03 15:28:00 -
[18] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:Onictus wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Onictus wrote:Yeah that is the point. Bitches like you are part of the problem. Your mother. O and don't try and soften up the comment with an additional comment. Cause I mean precisely what I say about your mother. Chump. gotcha hide in your NPC corp. 60m SP wasted if you ask me. LOL terrible standing eh? Noted. You would never see me coming anyway. Don't sing it bring it. Do your worse. LOL at me hiding in NPC corp, more like you hiding in alliance.
You see, some people have more than one account.
You know how many disposible netural characters I have floating around? I do. I don't even have to stop what I'm doing with a real character. Just like now.
I love finder agents. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
436
|
Posted - 2013.09.03 15:31:00 -
[19] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:Man listen, instead of convincing me how scared i'm supposed to be of you, make me scared.
lol
You actually think you are worth that much energy?
You aren't worth the tornados to blap you.
|
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
436
|
Posted - 2013.09.03 15:40:00 -
[20] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:Onictus wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Man listen, instead of convincing me how scared i'm supposed to be of you, make me scared. lol You actually think you are worth that much energy? You aren't worth the tornados to blap you. Yeah, that's what I thought.
56 kills I'm not camping you for a month waiting for you to come out from under concord, you can shoot me anytime. I have 6 seconds.
pansy. |
|
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
436
|
Posted - 2013.09.03 15:45:00 -
[21] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:[ What if we made the LP store cost much more ISK to buy items? It would effectively slow the injection of ISK in the game by deleting more of the bounty/reward from the mission. Could it possibly be enough to reduce the injection of ISK enough?
I can pull 60m/hr on bounties with a good mission spread.
That is an outlier though. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
436
|
Posted - 2013.09.03 15:49:00 -
[22] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:[ Yeah yeah yeah. It more that like your killboard suggests you only get kills involved in massive groups of which you're a peon and the thought of getting owned after smackin solo is too much to bear. Because we both know you aren't that hardcore. What you are is like many of the peon pissants on this forum ballsy when you sit comfortably behind a large army. But me, IDC. Idc about you, your corporation or your alliance. I meant what I said explicitly about your moms and if you don't come kill me youre a *****.
Says the NPC corp guy. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
436
|
Posted - 2013.09.03 15:52:00 -
[23] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:Onictus wrote: 56 kills I'm not camping you for a month waiting for you to come out from under concord, you can shoot me anytime. I have 6 seconds.
pansy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It more that like your killboard suggests you only get kills involved in massive groups of which you're a peon and the thought of getting owned after smackin solo is too much to bear. Because we both know you aren't that hardcore. What you are is like many of the peon pissants on this forum ballsy when you sit comfortably behind a large army. But me, IDC. Idc about you, your corporation or your alliance. I meant what I said explicitly about your mom and if you don't come kill me youre a ho'.
...and yet I have 8 times more kills than you have ever.
Last month. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
436
|
Posted - 2013.09.03 15:55:00 -
[24] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:Onictus wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:[ What if we made the LP store cost much more ISK to buy items? It would effectively slow the injection of ISK in the game by deleting more of the bounty/reward from the mission. Could it possibly be enough to reduce the injection of ISK enough? I can pull 60m/hr on bounties with a good mission spread. That is an outlier though. What if we add a 0 to the ISK cost of every LP items? Can it cover enough to burn ISK instead of injecting?
Which would kill the ten FW guys that are actually fighting. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
436
|
Posted - 2013.09.04 04:19:00 -
[25] - Quote
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:baltec1 wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:baltec1 wrote:At this point I will again point out that level 4 missions offer around the same level of income as null sec.
Running around in a shiffit cruisers in nullsec is no more riskier than a multi billion dollar blingship in hisec. I don't see the issue. Assuming of course this statement is even close to true. Risk versus reward is not an absolute. You are not taking more risk just by the virtue of being in nullsec. Its all situation dependent. What nullsec wants to do is convince CCP that they must be making 50-100 times the income of hisec just by virtue of the little red sec number. So you dock up when a neut enters local in high sec? You get hotdrops? You can be kicked out of you station system? Sorry but high sec is damn near perfect safety and null if far from that. The issue is that there is no reason to take on the much higher risks of low and null while level 4s offer around the same income with near perfect safsty. That's horse ****, high sec is not perfect safety, you've obviously never been wardecced. Take a look at the map most days more people die in highsec than in low or null. I've lived in null and if you are in the right corp and blue to lots of people, you can farm isk all day long. It's safer than highsec.
Wrong, most null alliances are dec'd 7 months out of the year.
And having blues does nothing to stop cyno range. For example, from Serpentis Prime I can blops portal to nearly all of Fountain, including all of the good true sec systems.
And that is NPC space there is nothing we can do about the locals there. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
436
|
Posted - 2013.09.04 04:36:00 -
[26] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:Onictus wrote:
Wrong, most null alliances are dec'd 7 months out of the year.
And having blues does nothing to stop cyno range. For example, from Serpentis Prime I can blops portal to nearly all of Fountain, including all of the good true sec systems.
And that is NPC space there is nothing we can do about the locals there.
7 month? I honestly though it was 12.
I was being generous, right now I haven't been dec'd for a week and its a record for the last few months.
|
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
436
|
Posted - 2013.09.04 05:23:00 -
[27] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Please kill more idiots undocking in jita with an in-corp alt
Preferably in a freighter.......there's always one. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
438
|
Posted - 2013.09.04 18:04:00 -
[28] - Quote
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Life is so ******* hard for you. QQ I thought you guys wanted increased risk for the bigger rewards of null sec.
Yeah, so where are the rewards? Given the same amount if time I can use three agents two systems and make the same amount in hi sec given equal amounts of time.
Without having to cyno around ships (because moving a ratting battleships solo is near suicide) Without having to fight off tacklers Without black ops drops Without fighting off small gangs Without dealing with sov Without needing to go 25+ jumps to get to a market Without staring at local
I don't know where people get the idea that "null is all empty and no one is ever there" apparently they don't know how to use dotlan or are out in Spire or somewhere equal cut off. In all of the regions I've operated in (which is most of the map) there is constant activity, a lot of which you have to deal with. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
440
|
Posted - 2013.09.05 03:54:00 -
[29] - Quote
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Onictus wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Life is so ******* hard for you. QQ I thought you guys wanted increased risk for the bigger rewards of null sec.
Yeah, so where are the rewards? Given the same amount if time I can use three agents two systems and make the same amount in hi sec given equal amounts of time. Without having to cyno around ships (because moving a ratting battleships solo is near suicide) Without having to fight off tacklers Without black ops drops Without fighting off small gangs Without dealing with sov Without needing to go 25+ jumps to get to a market Without staring at local I don't know where people get the idea that "null is all empty and no one is ever there" apparently they don't know how to use dotlan or are out in Spire or somewhere equal cut off. In all of the regions I've operated in (which is most of the map) there is constant activity, a lot of which you have to deal with. Man you must be doing it wrong, whenever I come back from Null Sec or time in the hole, I am space rich. I decided to test this today by running l4's in high sec. I spent on average 45 mins per mission in my T2 fitted ship (not a ******* Tengu as I am trying to simulate Mr Average here), another 25 mins cleaning up the salvage and loot and across 3 missions thrown out randomly by the agent. I earned: mission bounties and rewards: 35 million Loot average value: 18 million Loyalty Points: 11000 If you assume each Loyalty point is worth 1000 isk (I'm being generous here as they usually aren't due to other factors such as having to spend isk to redeem items or collect tags of the market or from other missions etc) you are looking at a grand total of 64 million over 3 hours approx. that's 21 million a hour all in. We've got to think of Mr average when balancing stuff like this, because not everyone owns a tengu, not everyone wants one and lets be honest if people can scrape together the 1.2 billion fully fitted price tag that usually accompanies a T3 cruiser and can complete and salvage L4 missions in 1/2 hour than good luck to them. They've paid for that performance in terms of both isk, skills and experience. They are reaping the rewards of all of their hard work. Assuming Mr Tengu pilot is twice as fast as me given that I have elite missile skills and all other things remain equal (which they don't) then at best the guy is hitting 35 million per hour as there is no T3 salvager. Tomorrow I'm going to try the same experiment without salvaging to see how it works out purely on the mission income and LP. Also be aware, that no ALT was used in the process. This is one person, doing one mission, one at a time, back to back.
Right, so you are within 20 mil an hour of anomaly income with a T2 battleship easily...in HIGH sec.
and pro tip, salvaging is a waste of time, blitz and gtfo
|
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
440
|
Posted - 2013.09.05 07:36:00 -
[30] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Onictus wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Life is so ******* hard for you. QQ I thought you guys wanted increased risk for the bigger rewards of null sec.
Yeah, so where are the rewards? Given the same amount if time I can use three agents two systems and make the same amount in hi sec given equal amounts of time. Without having to cyno around ships (because moving a ratting battleships solo is near suicide) Without having to fight off tacklers Without black ops drops Without fighting off small gangs Without dealing with sov Without needing to go 25+ jumps to get to a market Without staring at local I don't know where people get the idea that "null is all empty and no one is ever there" apparently they don't know how to use dotlan or are out in Spire or somewhere equal cut off. In all of the regions I've operated in (which is most of the map) there is constant activity, a lot of which you have to deal with. Man you must be doing it wrong, whenever I come back from Null Sec or time in the hole, I am space rich. I decided to test this today by running l4's in high sec. I spent on average 45 mins per mission in my T2 fitted ship (not a ******* Tengu as I am trying to simulate Mr Average here), another 25 mins cleaning up the salvage and loot and across 3 missions thrown out randomly by the agent. I earned: mission bounties and rewards: 35 million Loot average value: 18 million Loyalty Points: 11000 If you assume each Loyalty point is worth 1000 isk (I'm being generous here as they usually aren't due to other factors such as having to spend isk to redeem items or collect tags of the market or from other missions etc) you are looking at a grand total of 64 million over 3 hours approx. that's 21 million a hour all in. We've got to think of Mr average when balancing stuff like this, because not everyone owns a tengu, not everyone wants one and lets be honest if people can scrape together the 1.2 billion fully fitted price tag that usually accompanies a T3 cruiser and can complete and salvage L4 missions in 1/2 hour than good luck to them. They've paid for that performance in terms of both isk, skills and experience. They are reaping the rewards of all of their hard work. Assuming Mr Tengu pilot is twice as fast as me given that I have elite missile skills and all other things remain equal (which they don't) then at best the guy is hitting 35 million per hour as there is no T3 salvager. Tomorrow I'm going to try the same experiment without salvaging to see how it works out purely on the mission income and LP. Also be aware, that no ALT was used in the process. This is one person, doing one mission, one at a time, back to back. That sounds about right. 3 missions in 3 hours, may be 4 with a powerful ship and a high skilled character -accounting for the salvaging of the 4th mission, not just completing it. Also account the share of time spent redeeming LPs and traveling to the nearest hub for selling, and actually selling the loot (no kidding, try selling 100+ different items one by one. And that's just the worthy ones, as usually I reprocess all modules under 50k to save hold and time).
Compared to 60 mil an running anomalies single account T2 fit ship, at best, and that is very hard in angle, sansha, and gurista space do to tank, TDs and ECM respectively. |
|
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
447
|
Posted - 2013.09.05 15:18:00 -
[31] - Quote
March rabbit wrote:
PS: having good opportunity want to say "hello" to Red Alliance and Legion of xXdeathXx. Found some systems claimed by these 2 alliances. It was good to see they didn't disappear and continue to run.
Like I said maybe in the drones. But I'm looking at 5 intel channels that haven't stopped flashing for more than 6 seconds since I logged in.
....and RA and XIX....yeah welcome to no mans land. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
456
|
Posted - 2013.09.06 06:57:00 -
[32] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:La Nariz wrote: ~~~~Highsec is Safe~~~~
Highsec is not safe. Concord guarantees retribution, not defense. sounds like safety to me.
It man I generally won't bother making a trip just to hank someone for being an asshat.
And you can't dec npc corps so..... |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
457
|
Posted - 2013.09.06 08:15:00 -
[33] - Quote
Nolak Ataru wrote:Onictus wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:La Nariz wrote: ~~~~Highsec is Safe~~~~
Highsec is not safe. Concord guarantees retribution, not defense. sounds like safety to me. It man I generally won't bother making a trip just to hank someone for being an asshat. And you can't dec npc corps so..... Clearly you haven't checked eve-kill for that 15b golem or 12b CNR, or any of the other 5b+ mission boats that were popped. Don't bother posting till you have.
Yeah, well that falls under my easier statement about being functionally r33333333tarted. Particularly when a moderate faction build makes it not worth the energy to gank for like 5% less performance.
One of the first things I learned in the game was being careful about over blinging in high sec.
And I saw both of those mails when the happened, that RNI was worth more, like 32 billion, one of the market guys priced it at jita prices.
|
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
457
|
Posted - 2013.09.06 08:45:00 -
[34] - Quote
Mara Rinn wrote:Remember that some gankers are only after lulz and tears. They are not profit driven like the carebears who scrutinise the profitability of a gank before deciding to blow something up.
Yeah so don't fly billions near market hubs.
This is eve 101 stuff. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
458
|
Posted - 2013.09.06 12:45:00 -
[35] - Quote
March rabbit wrote:Onictus wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:La Nariz wrote: ~~~~Highsec is Safe~~~~
Highsec is not safe. Concord guarantees retribution, not defense. sounds like safety to me. i dunno about you but safety for me means "I"M AND MY STUFF IS SAFE". When i got killed or my stuff got destroyed/stolen it is not safety. Yes, aggressor is punished but this won't return ME or MY STUFF in intact state. It's like killing your killer. Does it matter to you when you already dead? Can you say "i'm safe" because there will be 2 dead persons after aggression and not one?
You enjoy competitive safety yes.
You don't live in low You don't live in NPC null You don't live in a worm hole You don't live in sov null
You. Are. Safe.
Compared to every other area in the game, and check my recent losses against how much I give a **** about ships getting dead. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
471
|
Posted - 2013.09.06 22:33:00 -
[36] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Case in point I can make billions of ISK per day trading in Jita. Does that mean that trading in Jita is OP? (I don't make billions per day, but its theoretically possible)
No moron, trade hubs are completely player generated. I can make billions screwing with my allaince's trade hubs.....I'd get kicked for it, but its certainly possible.
If you can't see the difference you are as blind as you are stupid. Oh wait. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
471
|
Posted - 2013.09.06 22:40:00 -
[37] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Dumbass.
Naming yourself now?
missions rats and what they pay out aren't player directed.
Unless you missed that memo carebaear. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
471
|
Posted - 2013.09.06 22:48:00 -
[38] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:You and your entire alliance are pussies. Come get me.
lol
If we are so ***** come get us, we don't even have concord to protect us NPC boy. You can't even get dec'd don't act hard, you are straight bitchmade. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
483
|
Posted - 2013.09.07 13:32:00 -
[39] - Quote
I think that is the dumbest reply I've ever read. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
483
|
Posted - 2013.09.07 13:42:00 -
[40] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:No, its actually quite ingenious. It forces the opposition to consider how to defend being able to use more resilient ships while claiming others safer.
Ingenious 1 - clever, original, and inventive.
yeah everything you are not and? |
|
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
483
|
Posted - 2013.09.07 13:53:00 -
[41] - Quote
[quote=Vaerah Vahrokha]
Ah, by reading the "Do Level 4 missions pay too much compared to 1 through 3?" I thought this was not exactly the thread where nerfs are called on you. /quote]
No actually yhr argument is weather or no hi sec income is too high compared to null.
...and it is by a long shot |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
483
|
Posted - 2013.09.07 15:40:00 -
[42] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
If it's so bad, how comes your alliance has long time complete supremacy in null sec and is also dominating high sec markets?
CFC holds 9 regions......N3 holds damn near three times the number of systems.
Lets a least be factual. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
485
|
Posted - 2013.09.08 02:28:00 -
[43] - Quote
stoicfaux wrote:Tippia's numbers: http://blog.beyondreality.se/ISK-faucets-sinksQuote:Faucets: Bounty prizes: 896.34 billion ISK (up from 876.04 billion in 2010). NPC buy orders: 337.4 billion ISK (n/a for 2010). Incursion rewards: 301.8 billion ISK (and 4.7 million LP, n/a in 2010). Insurance payouts: 125.8 billion ISK (up from 111.9 billion ISK in 2010). Agent mission rewards: 74.68 billion ISK (up from 68.93 billion in 2010). Agent mission bonuses: 71.21 billion ISK (up from 63.45 billion in 2010) How much of that isk is made in high, low, and null? And what's the population breakdown by high/low/null? (My google-fu has failed me.)
CCP has said 80/20 high sec to null sec
|
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
486
|
Posted - 2013.09.08 10:52:00 -
[44] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
I haven't made any claims about any hulls, you have, yet whenever I ask you back up your claims you cant, it's all hyperbole from you, if I was you i'd stop posting as you are making yourself look like an idiot.
This from the person who refuses to go to ships and mods and has no idea about the long history of the raven hull being king of PVE for most of the last 10 years.
Ships & Tengu
If you look right now there are likely the domi threads, a mach rni, sni and maybe the odd vindi.
|
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
488
|
Posted - 2013.09.08 13:11:00 -
[45] - Quote
Not to mention that 45 minutes a mission seems awefully slow.
Granted I haven't run a battleship in a level 4 in a couple years but I seen to remember competing on ticks. But I need a couple weeks to get an alt train to recheck. Pretty much everything but AE and maybe world's colide was a 15-20 minute affair assuming there would no blitzables in the middle.
....of course my missions boats were either a damn near full gank ndomi and a macharial depending on where I was at. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
488
|
Posted - 2013.09.08 13:35:00 -
[46] - Quote
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:as previously mentioned, no blitzing went on, every mission rat was killed, and I was trying to simulate Mr Average as opposed to an Uber player in a Tengu, etc, so 45 mins, then later 30 mins per mission is actually pretty fair in my opinion.
What do you guys think is fair? Ten mins? In order to earn 60 million an hour in isk without salvaging I estimate you'd have to clear them at three times the rate which is ten to 15 mins per mission at the most. This seems like the type of thing a highly skilled character with a T3 could do as I know a few of them, but they are not what I deem to be Mr Average in any way.
So you are assuming the average mission runner is flat terrible at missions?
I never ever used blingboats, usually a few faction mods to make a fit work and T2 guns, on the mach I would use T1 ammo because that thing blows through 10,000 rounds fast enough that I needed a second toon to run for more ammo when I got a good mission spread going.
Even then, it was a matter of jumping around between mission hubs and cherrypicking the right missions, just flay grinding through whatever you are handed isn't close to ideal.
So I guess its really a matter of what you are trying to prove, if you are trying to prove. Mr. Average who never leaves high sec SHOULD be relatively compentant at it, its ALL he does. Conversely, someone like me who would much rather being doing something else is NOT ******* around. I want max payout for least time spent, so blitzing and cashing LP as quickly as possible (markeering isn't my favorite passtime either, spreadsheets make me feel like I'm at work). Not to mention the full time missions runner is going to have rack of social skills that FURTHER increase isk payout, LP payout and standing gains.
Unfortunately it is WAY more effort that I am willing to a expend just to do the logistics to get a credible (to me) mission boat into hi-sec, much less jump clones and whatnot. I don't have any empire alts that are skilled properly to missins.
|
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
492
|
Posted - 2013.09.08 13:40:00 -
[47] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:as previously mentioned, no blitzing went on, every mission rat was killed, and I was trying to simulate Mr Average as opposed to an Uber player in a Tengu, etc, so 45 mins, then later 30 mins per mission is actually pretty fair in my opinion.
What do you guys think is fair? Ten mins? In order to earn 60 million an hour in isk without salvaging I estimate you'd have to clear them at three times the rate which is ten to 15 mins per mission at the most. This seems like the type of thing a highly skilled character with a T3 could do as I know a few of them, but they are not what I deem to be Mr Average in any way. The irony here is Mr Average flies a Tengu because it doesn't require lots of skills to perform well.
Indeed you can basically buy your way around iffy skills with a few bling mods. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
492
|
Posted - 2013.09.08 15:51:00 -
[48] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Dragon's method is way more realistic, and certainly doesn't pretends to show Level 4s as an oversize ISK faucet ripe for the nerfbat.
Not really.
Single account 40mil an hour was a given when i was running missions. You make at best 60mil anom plexing...unless you are going to get fancy, and then ship prices spiral over 3 bil REALLY fast.
I don't put 3 bil into a non-capital, ever.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:[ Houm... (60 x 9 x 4) + (60 x 2)= 2,280 million per month. I'm not even close to that, thus I am a terribad mission runner and I shall better go do something else and stop embarrasing my kind.
I used to make that a month slow selling ammo that I converted with LP. Alone. That isn't counting selling LP and mission bounties and rewards. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
495
|
Posted - 2013.09.09 05:22:00 -
[49] - Quote
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:baltec1 wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Yawn, I've provided facts and I've been out today,
You mean the ones where you failed to list what ship you used, what mission you did what you earned in each of those missions and how long it took you to do them? Right now we are the only ones to have posted any facts and figures. I've previously posted those, I deliberately held back on the ship I chose for the very obvious reason that you guys would try and use it as a shield for your lies. I mentioned that it was T1 with all T2 fittings and typical of what mission runners tend to fly based on my own experience of missioning in busy hubs. Whatever I had picked, be it a Golem or a CNR, space potato etc, etc, would have been to support your falicious argument as you'd naturally claim it was the wrong ship, or the wrong fit or whatever suits your mood. I gave you the mission times, the isk earned, the loyalty points earned, the loot salvaged etc, etc, etc. I've read every post in this thread and I've yet to see any facts from you even the ones you claimed you filled the thread up with when I was out and about this afternoon.
Except that every mission hub in the game had a steady stream of CNR, SNIs machs, rattlers, and Tengus rolling in and out 23/7. All of them.
And low skilled players shouldn't be the focus, nor singleton account holders, my experience would say that most players have more than a single account. Certainly the low and null set tend to average three I think. I don't remember that being much different in empire, people often had their own personal mining fleet aside from a PvP character that they roamed with
|
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
496
|
Posted - 2013.09.09 16:21:00 -
[50] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Concord doesn't prevent you from dying. It merely retaliates on your behalf. And it does so because highsec is designed to be a general playground where unallied pilots can have fun in the sandbox. Because you aren't going to go solo roaming through nullsec. Or rather many aspects of nullsec deter that style of play. Local chat. Bubbles. Limited places to procure ammunition. Gate camps. etc. I went solo roaming the other day started from a wormhole into catch, jumped all the way up to top of drone region, got a WH across to Venal, went right around the map from Venal almost to VFK then got a WH to Delve and now Im in Period Basis. Was in a Mega for a while but swapped for Proteus, no kills, why? Everyone docks up except when they can form a fleet to kill the solo intruder :) Null sov not on a war zone is the safest and most profitable area in EvE - the risk for them is literally zero discounting Awoxing.
Not like that protues can carry a cover cyno or anything, that would never happen
|
|
|
|
|