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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
591
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:19:00 -
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As a high sec carebear, I see the changes coming to Odyssey and think... EXCELLENT!
Adding trit and pyrox to the null high ends is, as I see it, a minimalist approach compared to what could have happened.
There had been hints of "removing the tediousness", which could have been a belt that spawns once every 4 hours, then could be mined out quickly... Could you have imagined 10X increase in mining yield, a belt popping in minutes instead of hours, then waiting hours for the belt to respawn? WAY worse than what we are getting, IMO.
And, here's a hint: With the amount of time null mininers have to stay docked up due to roaming bad guys and cloaky camping, high sec mining will STILL be more profitable on a monthly basis.
These minor tweaks will NOT be enough to overcome the vast difference in % of time it is safe to undock in the exhumer.
High sec mining will be done by casual players that want to be able to log in, go mine, log off.
Null mining will still primarily be done by the more serious players, willing to work around all the inconveniences of null space....
Main difference is, now those null players, that want to put up with those hassles of null, won't have to import 10 freighter loads of high sec ore to build a super capital. They'll be able to mine themselves... when the cloaky campers let them. |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3308
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:20:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:Realistic one is that mining dies completely in hisec. realistic. i'm not sure that word means what you think it means. Can you tell me what's going on here ? Did i miss anything ? Why should regular ore mining suddenly stop/be reduced ? |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4745
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:21:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:That is an optimistic lookup. Realistic one is that mining dies completely in hisec. Welp, then maybe you should just quit. Can I have your stuff?
James Amril-Kesh wrote:And all of them are going to be camped for good. Unless you manage to camp one, hurr durr no ice for you. It has a lot more camping than seeking, dear sir. Yeah, I'm sure there are enough ice miners in highsec to camp every single ice system and deplete every ice belt every 15 minutes. |
Dave Stark
2883
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:21:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:Realistic one is that mining dies completely in hisec. realistic. i'm not sure that word means what you think it means. Can you tell me what's going on here ? Did i miss anything ? Why should regular ore mining suddenly stop/be reduced ?
dev blog announced more minerals being added to some null sec ores. low ends.
it'll increase supply of low ends and push prices down a little, but not enough to credibly claim "the end is coming". |
Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
0
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:21:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:Realistic one is that mining dies completely in hisec. realistic. i'm not sure that word means what you think it means. Can you tell me what's going on here ? Did i miss anything ? Why should regular ore mining suddenly stop/be reduced ?
Read the news. Odyssey happens. |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
591
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:21:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:Realistic one is that mining dies completely in hisec. realistic. i'm not sure that word means what you think it means. Can you tell me what's going on here ? Did i miss anything ? Why should regular ore mining suddenly stop/be reduced ?
Check dev blogs. Trit and pyrox are being added to null sec ores, to make them less dependent on shipping in freighter loads of high sec ores. |
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics CODE.
733
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:22:00 -
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Was it really fun while it lasted? |
Velicitia
Nex Exercitus
1430
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:24:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:That's not true at all. Stop being ignorant. Hisec miners are gonna go extinct. Highsec ice fields are gonna stop existing, as people are gonna mine them dry in 15 minutes and poof, no ice for 4 hours. And you base this on what, exactly? Highsec miners are going to go extinct based on some probably minor decrease in profitability that they didn't even have before the drone loot nerf anyway? Highsec ice fields becoming scarcer somehow wouldn't equate to a large boost in the cost of ice which would entice players even more to seek out ice systems and mine them for themselves? As always pubbies don't look at the big picture. 90% is minor decrease in profitability. Basically, not worh noting. haha. Ice fields are gone for good, dear sir, read the changes more carefully, please, as "seeking" has nothing to do with it now. '
static fields are gone. replaced with a "Grav" site that respawns 4 hours after it's mined out. hisec can now supply 80% of the total POS Fuel ice used.
If people are mining out "your" ice -- go kill them
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia Malcanis for CSM8 |
Ritsum
Ubiquitous Hurt
169
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:26:00 -
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With the changes to Null sec mining and outpost productivity, I don't see why a lot of null sec alliances are not recruiting more indie corps to help them. I would think getting a carebear corp into your null system to make sure your production gets better would be a good thing all round. Carebears get introduced into a pvp environment and Null bears get their **** done at a great rate. Play EvE how you want to play it and do not let others dictate how you play. Evolve your playstyle to protect yourself from others! Even in "PVE", "PVP" is there, lurking in the shadows. |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3308
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:26:00 -
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Woah !
I've actually read them yesterday ... but i have *no* idea about this.
Why would that drop prices ? Wouldn't it rather make more sense to believe that nullsec alliances need all this ore for thems... oh ............................. |
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Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
0
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:26:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:That is an optimistic lookup. Realistic one is that mining dies completely in hisec. Welp, then maybe you should just quit. Can I have your stuff? Nah, just gotta find a piece of overbuffed nullsec for myself now.
James Amril-Kesh wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:And all of them are going to be camped for good. Unless you manage to camp one, hurr durr no ice for you. It has a lot more camping than seeking, dear sir. Yeah, I'm sure there are enough ice miners in highsec to camp every single ice system and deplete every ice belt every 15 minutes. We're talking about the same hisec, right? There are more than enough ice miners to camp every single trade-hub-accessible ice system, and non-trade-hub-accessible systems are just not worth it. Yes, I think ice mining is going ice camping and ore mining is going to go from 20 hours for plex to no-amount-of-hours-are-gonna-give-you-plex aka dead. |
Dave Stark
2883
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:28:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Woah !
I've actually read them yesterday ... but i have *no* idea about this.
Why would that drop prices ? Wouldn't it rather make more sense to believe that nullsec alliances need all this ore for thems... oh .............................
increased supply = lower price assuming constant demand. economics 101. |
T8496
Plan-It Xpress Reverberation Project
2
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:28:00 -
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ITT: EvE is the only game where people feel so entitled when they choose to live in the starting area. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4745
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:30:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:That is an optimistic lookup. Realistic one is that mining dies completely in hisec. Welp, then maybe you should just quit. Can I have your stuff? Nah, just gotta find a piece of overbuffed nullsec for myself now. Don't make me laugh. If you think nullsec is "overbuffed" and a great place to make isk mining then you're in for a really rude awakening.
Basil Pupkin wrote:Yes, I think ice mining is going ice camping and ore mining is going to go from 20 hours for plex to no-amount-of-hours-are-gonna-give-you-plex aka dead. You think this based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever. You're just being an alarmist fearmonger. |
Reuben Johnson
Gal-Min Industries
70
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:30:00 -
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...or, hi-sec carebear miners will stay in hisec, and null-sec caebears will stay camped at the gates waiting for hi-sec carebears that'll never show...becuase nillers don't mine ("EVE is all about pew pew, period...except for my 6 hi-sec AFK miner alts while I camp"). Miners and PvP'ers don't mix corp-wise, and there is no place for a null miner to sell in null, so Risk V Reward still isnt there if they still have to move ore from null to Jita to sell it to back to null. Look it now, mining in Null is more profitable then mining hi as it is, but hardly anyone does it, becuase that profit disapears when you have to haul it to Hi to sell it where youre risk of getting shot a the gates is much higher.
Nothing will change, hi secs will stay in hi and mine, nullers will wait at the gates whiing hi sec needs to be nerfed moar, MOAR, I tell you! and ater a short wild ride, prices will return to close to what they are now.
seriously, if the price of Trit/pyr drop , why would anyone risk mining in null to get it?..ALL CCP did was make Omber the top ore to mine Hi-sec |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3308
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:30:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Woah !
I've actually read them yesterday ... but i have *no* idea about this.
Why would that drop prices ? Wouldn't it rather make more sense to believe that nullsec alliances need all this ore for thems... oh ............................. increased supply = lower price assuming constant demand. economics 101. "thems... oh ................................."
Well ... that's ... bad. Makes me wonder if the ship rebalances (and the increased mineral demands for these ships) will compensate for that ... |
Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
0
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:31:00 -
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T8496 wrote:ITT: EvE is the only game where people feel so entitled when they choose to live in the starting area. If eve had PvP which isn't "more skillpoints always win" I would've tried it. Unfortunately, that is the one and only kind of pvp eve offers. Maybe in a 3-4 more years... |
Bolow Santosi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
58
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:31:00 -
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Ritsum wrote:With the changes to Null sec mining and outpost productivity, I don't see why a lot of null sec alliances are not recruiting more indie corps to help them. I would think getting a carebear corp into your null system to make sure your production gets better would be a good thing all round. Carebears get introduced into a pvp environment and Null bears get their **** done at a great rate.
Because Industrial Corps don't fight or contribute to the war effort in a meaningful way. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4745
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:32:00 -
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Reuben Johnson wrote:...or, hi-sec carebear miners will stay in hisec, and null-sec caebears will stay camped at the gates waiting for hi-sec carebears that'll never show...becuase nillers don't mine ("EVE is all about pew pew, period...except for my 6 hi-sec AFK miner alts while I camp"). Miners and PvP'ers don't mix corp-wise, and there is no place for a null miner to sell in null, so Risk V Reward still isnt there if they still have to move ore from null to Jita to sell it to back to null. Look it now, mining in Null is more profitable then mining hi as it is, but hardly anyone does it, becuase that profit disapears when you have to haul it to Hi to sell it where youre risk of getting shot a the gates is much higher.
Nothing will change, hi secs will stay in hi and mine, nullers will wait at the gates whiing hi sec needs to be nerfed moar, MOAR, I tell you! and ater a short wild ride, prices will return to close to what they are now.
seriously, if the price of Trit/pyr drop , why would anyone risk mining in null to get it?..ALL CCP did was make Omber the top ore to mine Hi-sec Gee, that might be why they added significantly more slots to nullsec stations. It's almost as if CCP wants to change this whole paradigm you're talking about. You're just either unwilling or unable to see the big picture. Not surprising. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4745
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:33:00 -
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Bolow Santosi wrote:Ritsum wrote:With the changes to Null sec mining and outpost productivity, I don't see why a lot of null sec alliances are not recruiting more indie corps to help them. I would think getting a carebear corp into your null system to make sure your production gets better would be a good thing all round. Carebears get introduced into a pvp environment and Null bears get their **** done at a great rate. Because Industrial Corps don't fight or contribute to the war effort in a meaningful way. Are you serious? Where do you think the ships you use come from? |
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
933
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:34:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:You do realize that when ore prices drop, so does the cost of a whole bunch of other stuff? You do know that when the price of ore drops, bounties don't?
umm not sure about that since bounty is worth a percentage of the pice index for the ship...
so infact the bounty might actually decrease due to changes in mineral prices... Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1109
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:34:00 -
[52] - Quote
I feel "meh" about that change, but i see the point of it. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4745
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:35:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Frying Doom wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:You do realize that when ore prices drop, so does the cost of a whole bunch of other stuff? You do know that when the price of ore drops, bounties don't? umm not sure about that since bounty is worth a percentage of the pice index for the ship... so infact the bounty might actually decrease due to changes in mineral prices... I think he was referring to NPC bounties. |
Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
0
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:36:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Don't make me laugh. If you think nullsec is "overbuffed" and a great place to make isk mining then you're in for a really rude awakening. Who are you kidding? I know exactly how much worth nullsec mining is. Problem is, in 5 weeks, hisec mining is going to die, lowsec mining never lived, and the only mining left would be nullsec mining.
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:Yes, I think ice mining is going ice camping and ore mining is going to go from 20 hours for plex to no-amount-of-hours-are-gonna-give-you-plex aka dead. You think this based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever. You're just being an alarmist fearmonger. How come dev blog isn't enough evidence? |
Dave Stark
2884
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:36:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Woah !
I've actually read them yesterday ... but i have *no* idea about this.
Why would that drop prices ? Wouldn't it rather make more sense to believe that nullsec alliances need all this ore for thems... oh ............................. increased supply = lower price assuming constant demand. economics 101. "thems... oh ................................." Well ... that's ... bad. Makes me wonder if the ship rebalances (and the increased mineral demands for these ships) will compensate for that ...
the increases in minerals aren't huge, they're significant enough to be worth while but nothing earth shattering. also the volume mined in null currently doesn't lend itself to the volume you'd need to destroy mining as a profession in high sec. |
Bolow Santosi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:36:00 -
[56] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Bolow Santosi wrote:Ritsum wrote:With the changes to Null sec mining and outpost productivity, I don't see why a lot of null sec alliances are not recruiting more indie corps to help them. I would think getting a carebear corp into your null system to make sure your production gets better would be a good thing all round. Carebears get introduced into a pvp environment and Null bears get their **** done at a great rate. Because Industrial Corps don't fight or contribute to the war effort in a meaningful way. Are you serious? Where do you think the ships you use come from?
Imported from Jita via Jump Freighter service. Unless we're talking about Capital/Super Capital hulls. |
Kharamete
Feral Solutions Inc
6
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:36:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:T8496 wrote:ITT: EvE is the only game where people feel so entitled when they choose to live in the starting area. If eve had PvP which isn't "more skillpoints always win" I would've tried it. Unfortunately, that is the one and only kind of pvp eve offers. Maybe in a 3-4 more years...
Who told you this lie?
Your mistake is that you think Eve is about solo pvp. It is not. Get some friends in rifters and those bling tech 2 ships and their multimillip SP characters will die. |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
592
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:36:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:That is an optimistic lookup. Realistic one is that mining dies completely in hisec. Welp, then maybe you should just quit. Can I have your stuff? Nah, just gotta find a piece of overbuffed nullsec for myself now. Don't make me laugh. If you think nullsec is "overbuffed" and a great place to make isk mining then you're in for a really rude awakening.
Yeah... move to null, and get camped in for weeks on end by cloaky campers with heavy black ops backup. Good times. Does wonders for the profitability of null mining. |
Reuben Johnson
Gal-Min Industries
70
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:37:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Reuben Johnson wrote:...or, hi-sec carebear miners will stay in hisec, and null-sec caebears will stay camped at the gates waiting for hi-sec carebears that'll never show...becuase nillers don't mine ("EVE is all about pew pew, period...except for my 6 hi-sec AFK miner alts while I camp"). Miners and PvP'ers don't mix corp-wise, and there is no place for a null miner to sell in null, so Risk V Reward still isnt there if they still have to move ore from null to Jita to sell it to back to null. Look it now, mining in Null is more profitable then mining hi as it is, but hardly anyone does it, becuase that profit disapears when you have to haul it to Hi to sell it where youre risk of getting shot a the gates is much higher.
Nothing will change, hi secs will stay in hi and mine, nullers will wait at the gates whiing hi sec needs to be nerfed moar, MOAR, I tell you! and ater a short wild ride, prices will return to close to what they are now.
seriously, if the price of Trit/pyr drop , why would anyone risk mining in null to get it?..ALL CCP did was make Omber the top ore to mine Hi-sec Gee, that might be why they added significantly more slots to nullsec stations. It's almost as if CCP wants to change this whole paradigm you're talking about. You're just either unwilling or unable to see the big picture. Not surprising. Funny, but I didnt know you could mine roids in station slots. some dock sitters might move to null, but the miners wont..and they STILL have to go Jita to buy their ores, or rather, pay Red Frog to JC it in..the oly one gonna see an incrase here is the JC hauler. Even many manufacturers wont stay long once they realize nullers arent going to pay as much for stuff when they know its all being made in station, so profit margin in null go poofs, and they return to Jita to make stuff..you know, where the ore is. |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
592
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:38:00 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:T8496 wrote:ITT: EvE is the only game where people feel so entitled when they choose to live in the starting area. If eve had PvP which isn't "more skillpoints always win" I would've tried it. Unfortunately, that is the one and only kind of pvp eve offers. Maybe in a 3-4 more years...
Paaaaahlease.
Everyone knows that it is "more ships wins". |
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