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Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.10.15 10:26:00 -
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Oh boy. Another Goon Blob, Mr. Apostle. How they run to the bait. A CSM that doesn't represent "us" but "them." I've seen a picture of Mittens. . . I've seen a picture of Mittens. I think I'll leave that there.
One must consider even psychopaths can subscribe to EVE. That's where the model falls down and goes boom. Having a framework that requires some modicum of character in a character seems to at least prevent the psychologically challenged from seizing control of the show.
CCP, apparently, doesn't really care about little things like that. They're prouder of even smaller things like....this CSM.
This has run into the "as long as I get paid, who cares?" ditch. Any ascendency previously claimed has dissipated like smoke in the breeze. Ever wonder what Ho Chi Mihn meant by "paper tiger"?
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |
Avon
Versatech Co. Raiden.
77
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Posted - 2011.10.15 10:29:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote: If you don't like the Goons controlling the supply of oxygen, then take it from them.
Don't listen to this man, I am making a fortune out of this.
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Alice Saki
Ducklings
8
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Posted - 2011.10.15 10:38:00 -
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What real people Mine?!?! Not Bots?
Come on the goons kill the Market! xD My Null Roams.... Badger MKII :D They all-áHate my Stabby Badger... xD |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics BRABODEN
248
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Posted - 2011.10.15 11:15:00 -
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My only problem with what they're doing is that, realistically, it wouldn't be allowed to happen. Concord would simply destroy any Goon ships detected in high sec or high sec gates would be programmed not to allow them entry.
I'm not saying that makes for interesting gameplay, only that it would happen that way. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
595
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Posted - 2011.10.15 12:01:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:My only problem with what they're doing is that, realistically, it wouldn't be allowed to happen. Concord would simply destroy any Goon ships detected in high sec or high sec gates would be programmed not to allow them entry.
I'm not saying that makes for interesting gameplay, only that it would happen that way.
Very few things about EVE mechanics are "realistic". Especially when people try to apply cultural assumptions that derive from a massively different society to the one the EVE lore describes. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
595
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Posted - 2011.10.15 12:02:00 -
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Headerman wrote:Goons should do something better, like reset TEST
I'm sure they'll do that right after you guys reset Solar Fleet and XiX. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
59
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Posted - 2011.10.15 12:09:00 -
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I'd have thought the goons activities would have made fishing very attractive to miners/high-sec players. I can see all sorts of fun you could have when you know there are random gankers about.
I probably assume too much |
Cedille Mureau
Institute of Archaeology
3
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Posted - 2011.10.15 12:23:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:I don't see anything in there that says members of the CSM are constrained from acting in game in ways that someone doesn't like.
CSM members are just as entitled to scam, pirate, gank, invade, interdict and smack other players as any other player is. Do you have a specific complaint about the two Goonswarm CSMs with respect to their actions as CSM members?
I'm not sure if this is directed at me but to make myself perfectly clear, I was responding to the post by Renan Ruivo stating that the CSM is only obliged to listen to the people who voted for them. This, presumably means the goons and their allies. What I was trying to put over for the umteenth time is that according to the document setting up the CSM, the CSM is obligated to listen to all the players in EVE not just those who voted for them. To do otherwise would be to set up a group with increased influence and access to CCP without reference to the greater interests of the game.
As to your point about the conduct (in game) of members of the CSM, I have never advocated that they be treated differently from anyone else. If they want to go around making a nuisance of themselves, provided it is done within the rules then they must be allowed to do so, to do otherwise would be to put them at a disadvantage.
Hope this clears up what I meant in my original post. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
498
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Posted - 2011.10.15 12:47:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Question 1) Why does Empire need to be sent "into a panic" with "drought and pestilence everywhere"? It generates gameplay and content for the sandbox.
Quote:Question 2) As the CSM chair (with it's inherent Eve representation), you're OK that this potentially ruins the economic model for everyone? How does it ruin any kind of economic model? What does his role as CSM chair have to do with it?
Quote:Question 3) If the economic model is smashed by inflation, do you realize that CCP could simply become proactive on indy ganking and stop it all. Are you giving them cause? How does it cause inflation? What economic model does it smash? How? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
668
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Posted - 2011.10.15 12:53:00 -
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Othran wrote:I'd have thought the goons activities would have made fishing very attractive to miners/high-sec players. I can see all sorts of fun you could have when you know there are random gankers about. I probably assume too much someone from raiden. had a grand old time in a mack that didn't even have ice harvesters but had a ginormous tank, i think he got a bunch of people with that one including me
since it was early when most macks were untanked, people weren't bothering to scan and kept crashing into him |
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2011.10.15 13:01:00 -
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Fuujin wrote:Avid Bumhumper wrote:
It only costs 500 mil a month if your dumb enough not to stockpile....
You know if you mine the oxygen isotopes, they're free!
Can I mine some deep in null close to your bots?
Nah was joking, rather like to bubble your systems gates or stations undocks, and sometimes your JB's |
Guy Grand
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2011.10.15 13:04:00 -
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As a quick aside: anyone who believes an elected official represents their own personal interests is the very worst kind of fool. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD Tragedy.
80
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Posted - 2011.10.15 14:56:00 -
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A Lunchbox wrote:This is almost as funny as when Goons joined AOC and farmed level 20s in Khopshef province with level 80 chars for like 4 months. Freaking hillarious.
P.S. they got rolled out of the game by a giant NAP fest of carebear guilds burning their guild city to the ground. Just saying, carebears.
I remember that. I was there farming Goons with my Ranger because they all sucked at PvP. Easy kills for me. Draculina Alucardi...3rd account canceled, no reason to hold an account for a SC pilot, if you can only use it in PVP ... thanks CCP :)-á Support the cause! Linky |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
105
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Posted - 2011.10.15 15:54:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Taedrin wrote:Switch to Amarr towers then? You can still run reactions on those, and they still get a 50% bonus to silo capacity. pretty sure you can't because of their hideously low CPU but I could be wrong
You can just barely run a 4 input complex reaction (ferrogel) on an Amarr tower. You won't have any CPU left what-so-ever, however. But Amarr towers have enormous amounts of PG, so you'll be able to anchor craptons of guns.
If you do a 3 input reaction, then you still have enough CPU for several ewar mods. |
Ogi Talvanen
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:28:00 -
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The Apostle wrote: Question 1) Why does Empire need to be sent "into a panic" with "drought and pestilence everywhere"?
Fun and profit.
The Apostle wrote: Question 2) As the CSM chair (with it's inherent Eve representation), you're OK that this potentially ruins the economic model for everyone?
Not everyone just some ppl.
The Apostle wrote: Question 3) If the economic model is smashed by inflation, do you realize that CCP could simply become proactive on indy ganking and stop it all. Are you giving them cause?
Didint they tell recently that they want more drought and pestilence in eve?
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Luckytania
Bullets of Justice Damned Nation
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Posted - 2011.10.16 00:09:00 -
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Trainwreck McGee wrote:To me Goons bring out the beauty in the sandbox.
And no i'm not sucking up to them they can royally go **** themselves. Just think of them as Sanshas. Just not as predictable and easy to profit from as Incursions.
Personally, RL me, I have no problem with this chaos they're causing. (If they actually succeed in causing it.)
As an in character me, perhaps we need some sort of bio-weapon which is only fatal to Goons and is contagious even through a clone instantiation? |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.10.16 01:37:00 -
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Luckytania wrote:As an in character me, perhaps we need some sort of bio-weapon which is only fatal to Goons and is contagious even through a clone instantiation?
Soap |
Kengutsi Akira
34
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Posted - 2011.10.16 04:34:00 -
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Mehrdad Kor-Azor wrote:I can answer these, I think:
1) Goons set out to destroy any MMO they enter.
2) See #1.
3) See #1.
this. If EVE folded tomorrow and CCP went into full production on WoD instead, theyd be there, destroying the game. Hell, they were in Star Trek Online for a while, as Starfleet Dental, trying to destroy that game. They took a game thats entirely PVE (except for BG-like PVP) and turned it into open world PVP for a while. It was pretty funny. All I can say is; If CCP is stupid enough to let the Goons destroy the game, then they deserve what they get.
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.10.16 04:41:00 -
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Lamya Fox wrote:You people need to diffrentiate between Mittens the CSM and Mittens the leader of the Goons.
They are not One in the same. Think of it as a man with two hats on. When dealing with the CSM he would be representing the EVE community. But when he is playing EVE he is playing EVE as the leader of his corp/alliance.
uh actually no, he's developing the game for the benefit of the Goons etc. If we listen to the CSM, all the changes to the game are brought on by them and are their ideas (as by the self-patting on the back by the CSMs in the thread about the winter patches). Now, if thats accurate, then the ABC ores being removed from low level wormholes idea, the remove ice from high sec idea, the T2 production only in 0.0 idea, all those ideas in that thread are all CSM ideas, that are negatively affecting the people the Goons care the least about unless theyre in their gun sights; the ppl in high sec AKA the "pubbies"
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
138
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Posted - 2011.10.16 05:03:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Luckytania wrote:As an in character me, perhaps we need some sort of bio-weapon which is only fatal to Goons and is contagious even through a clone instantiation? Soap
he knows |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
50
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Posted - 2011.10.16 06:58:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Luckytania wrote:As an in character me, perhaps we need some sort of bio-weapon which is only fatal to Goons and is contagious even through a clone instantiation? Soap
Real world economic collapse will work better.
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