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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.10.15 02:08:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Goons got beaten by carebears in a game where men run half naked and women run with their boobs showing?
The irony.
Not ironic,depressing. Apparently the players of that game have twice the balls of the average whiny EvE Player. |
Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2011.10.15 02:26:00 -
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Comrade Commizzar wrote:In keeping with my instructions from CCP (under penalty of forum banning) to only post positve remarks concerning the Goons and the game I am hereby stating my full support for the actions of the Goons and applaud their effort to destroy the game balance (and indeed the game itself) through metagaming and mechanics exploitation.
BRAVO GOONS !
On a side note that has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GOONS, My postings on third party game review forums have quadrupled in number and grown quite negtive in nature. Anyone reading them will certainly not bother trying EVE. (Hey, if the Goons are working to destroy EVE, then I should too.)
Im pretty sure posts like this will encourage more and more goons to come and enjoy eve.
You are helping CCP grow the game. |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
18
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Posted - 2011.10.15 03:39:00 -
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Infinimo wrote:Oxytope prices just went over 1000 because of lack of supply (not speculation this time) and we're still going strong we set up a whole subforum, scoreboard and reward system for this. sorry to burst your bubble but it isn't ending any time soon
Assuming the campaign is very good and can shut down the majority of OxyIso, people will shift to the other fuels over time. The campaign will have to expand, and thus decrease the efficeny of the campaign and life will be back to normal of the occasional suicide in some bot infested ice belt.
Have fun while it lasts, but in the long run it won't change much. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
27
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Posted - 2011.10.15 03:50:00 -
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Goddess Ishtar wrote:I think somebody has forgotten that Eve Online is a game.
Quite right, but it's not the OP who's fallen to this, it's Mittens.
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
27
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Posted - 2011.10.15 03:57:00 -
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JamesCLK wrote:Posting in a srs thread.
Goons aren't out to ruin THE game, they're out to ruin YOUR game. This has always held true; afterall, why would goons try to ruin a game that caters to their favorite playstyle (namely being dicks <3)?
I always say: Less QQ, more PEW PEW. If you don't like bending over to goons, stand up and fight back. Don't make yourself a target, use regular mining barges instead of exhumers. You'll still mine a bit of valuable ice when you don't get ganked, but losses won't hurt as much. Get creative and make defence pacts with other mining corps.
Right now, those hisec bears that are just backing down are being spineless slugs. Don't like it? Do something about it.
Just my 2 cents.
NB: I also think CCP would rather see how the economy adjusts and/or recovers, than step in and ban the oh so lovely goons. EDIT: Clarification - Mittens is tired of people thinking hisec is safe, he finds great joy in proving the contrary. Tears ensue. Adapt or die.
This.
EVE's Carebears need to stop being such revoltingly soft and squishy entitlement-menatlity victims, and grow some ******* teeth.
Oh, and like I said, it seems like it's Mittens taking this game too seriously, not us "pubbies. (whatever those are)." |
FlamesOfHeaven
Sarif Digital Augmentation Research
3
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Posted - 2011.10.15 04:15:00 -
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Well.. all I know know is that Oxygen Isotope shortage is just gonna screw ppl using gallente control tower and some supercaps (Nyx ).
Straving the supercaps? Sounds like a plan.
Dont see why theres alot of cheese/wine lately. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
122
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Posted - 2011.10.15 05:20:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Question 1) Why does Empire need to be sent "into a panic" with "drought and pestilence everywhere"?
Question 2) As the CSM chair (with it's inherent Eve representation), you're OK that this potentially ruins the economic model for everyone?
Question 3) If the economic model is smashed by inflation, do you realize that CCP could simply become proactive on indy ganking and stop it all. Are you giving them cause?
I was going to reply to this with a nice thoughtful explanation, mostly about pointing out that the backbone of the EVE Online economy is founded on miner bots and if the economic model is based on something that is against the freaking rules and if we feel that CCP is not fulfilling their obligation to clean up this mess then by god, we can certainly help out...
... Followed up with a quick reply pointing out that by allowing these fat afk pubbies to dominate highsec unmolested then they gain an incorrectly large amount of influence over the economy, CCP's ear, et cetera, which compounds every other problem with the game (See also: recent mission buffs that benefit AFK Mission runners combined with nerfs to Nullsec Sanctums) ...
... Followed up one more time with the fact that killing them is fun and there's nothing against the rules in it ....
I was going to post something like that.
But then I realized it's The Apostle. Making a "WAAH, GOONIES ARE MEAN" thread. AGAIN.
Buddha gently caressing Jesus in a love shack, this is what, your 15th thread crying about Mittani, Goons, or Mittani being in Goons? And to say nothing about the dozens upon dozens of replies you put in every thread mentioning Goons?
I never thought I'd have to say this on the EVE forums of all places, cause god knows I need one too (hell, I'm a nullsec anom runner that didn't quit after the Sanctum nerf), but I'll say it:
GET A LIFE. |
Avid Bumhumper
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2011.10.15 05:29:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:The Apostle wrote:non judgement wrote:If/when they stop, wont you see heaps of people mining again and making isk from the inflated prices, and after awhile everything will slowly return to normal?
CCP might think it'd be interesting to see how well the Economy recovers from something like this. Yeah, valid point. I have mentioned myself that it really needs to be a very long and sustained campaign to have the effect Mittens claims he's after. It's why I'm asking because they can't do it but have convinced their members they can. every single moon reaction on a gallente tower (the best :effort: tower for anything but carbides) now loses money except fullerides and nanotransistors which are insanely profitable for some reason) because fueling a gallente pos costs 500m a month
It only costs 500 mil a month if your dumb enough not to stockpile.... |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
122
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Posted - 2011.10.15 05:30:00 -
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Comrade Commizzar wrote:On a side note that has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GOONS, My postings on third party game review forums have quadrupled in number and grown quite negtive in nature. Anyone reading them will certainly not bother trying EVE. (Hey, if the Goons are working to destroy EVE, then I should too.)
More tears, man, I can still see some dry parts of your keyboard. |
Vastek Non
State War Academy Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2011.10.15 05:54:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Hey, yes, this a serious request to get this answered. Picked up this snippet posted recently (by Mittens) from a popular site starting with k. Feel free to find and read the whole post for context if you think you need to. xxxxx snip xxxxxx Quote:Though we've had a crushing grip on Empire's oxygen windpipe there were the remaining pockets of oxygen stockpilers and speculators have been leaking onto the market, betting against us. Those stockpiles appear to be reaching their end: sell orders have started thinning out, and buy orders have begun marching steadily upwards. There's only a few largeish orders that's the last real barrier between sustained 1k prices. Oxygen prices have already nearly destroyed gallente reactor profitability: 1k and above should be enough to shut them down and send Empire into a panic. After all, once it's clear the interdiction is working, if you need oxygen for you ships or your towers suddenly it's time to get it before it goes even higher.
At that point, all hell breaks loose as the well runs dry. Drought and pestilence everywhere. I'm going to ignore the "lolz" and "personal gain" ethos that has been attributed to this campaign and seek a response based on the underlined points. Mittens. If you're right and the interdiction DOES bring empire to it's knees it will only do so because you will push inflation through the roof. This genuinly concerns me so I ask these questions in a contrite manner and will refrain from being a smartass. Question 1) Why does Empire need to be sent "into a panic" with "drought and pestilence everywhere"? Question 2) As the CSM chair (with it's inherent Eve representation), you're OK that this potentially ruins the economic model for everyone? Question 3) If the economic model is smashed by inflation, do you realize that CCP could simply become proactive on indy ganking and stop it all. Are you giving them cause?
You would be amazed at how game mechanics have changed over the years as a direct result of goons exploiting various situations. 'Bumping' is one of the better known ones. Personally I hope this will result in Insurance payouts for suicided ships in high sec being removed.. but such is hope. |
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Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
143
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Posted - 2011.10.15 05:56:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Question 1) Why does Empire need to be sent "into a panic" with "drought and pestilence everywhere"?
Question 2) As the CSM chair (with it's inherent Eve representation), you're OK that this potentially ruins the economic model for everyone?
Question 3) If the economic model is smashed by inflation, do you realize that CCP could simply become proactive on indy ganking and stop it all. Are you giving them cause?
1. Because we're Goons. 2. Yes...because we're Goons. 3. They've done it before, and they're thinking about doing it again, and we'll find a way around it again...because we're Goons.
Notify: You are eaten by the Whumpus
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Elise DarkStar
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
26
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Posted - 2011.10.15 06:04:00 -
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Avid Bumhumper wrote:It only costs 500 mil a month if your dumb enough not to stockpile....
Opportunity costs...how do they work?!
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Tear Miner
Republic University Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2011.10.15 06:06:00 -
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Is there some way to take away The Apostle's 400+ likes for this one thread?
Seriously, guy? This is a video game. Look at all the drama it causes, and I bet CCP is going to make mention of this to ADVERTISE how much of a sandbox build your own empire change the world etc. type of game Eve Online is.
I don't know.... maybe, just maybe do something useful and come up with a counter to the oxygen isotope crisis, in-game, instead of whining about it on the forums. |
Fuujin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2011.10.15 06:06:00 -
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Avid Bumhumper wrote:
It only costs 500 mil a month if your dumb enough not to stockpile....
You know if you mine the oxygen isotopes, they're free!
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
122
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Posted - 2011.10.15 06:12:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:Goons got beaten by carebears in a game where men run half naked and women run with their boobs showing?
The irony. Not ironic,depressing. Apparently the players of that game have twice the balls of the average whiny EvE Player.
Actually, it's just that AoC is utter **** and Goons burning it could only IMPROVE that one. That and after 4 months of Goons trolling it the game was dead. Not cause of Goons trolling, but because, well, did I mention AoC is a bad bad game? |
Vastek Non
State War Academy Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2011.10.15 06:19:00 -
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Xython wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:Goons got beaten by carebears in a game where men run half naked and women run with their boobs showing?
The irony. Not ironic,depressing. Apparently the players of that game have twice the balls of the average whiny EvE Player. Actually, it's just that AoC is utter **** and Goons burning it could only IMPROVE that one. That and after 4 months of Goons trolling it the game was dead. Not cause of Goons trolling, but because, well, did I mention AoC is a bad bad game?
Didn't want that game anyways |
Shadowsword
The Rough Riders Ares Protectiva
27
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Posted - 2011.10.15 06:32:00 -
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The Apostle wrote: Question 1) Why does Empire need to be sent "into a panic" with "drought and pestilence everywhere"?
Question 2) As the CSM chair (with it's inherent Eve representation), you're OK that this potentially ruins the economic model for everyone?
Question 3) If the economic model is smashed by inflation, do you realize that CCP could simply become proactive on indy ganking and stop it all. Are you giving them cause?
1/ Because they have fun doing it. Is there need of a better reason? They also get money from it.
2/ Official IRL position =/= InGame position.
3/ You're overestimating the Goons if you think they'll disrupt the market. All they do is redistribute a bit the cards where profitability is concerned. |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
17
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Posted - 2011.10.15 07:21:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:In keeping with my instructions from CCP (under penalty of forum banning) to only post positve remarks concerning the Goons and the game I am hereby stating my full support for the actions of the Goons and applaud their effort to destroy the game balance (and indeed the game itself) through metagaming and mechanics exploitation.
BRAVO GOONS !
On a side note that has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GOONS, My postings on third party game review forums have quadrupled in number and grown quite negtive in nature. Anyone reading them will certainly not bother trying EVE. (Hey, if the Goons are working to destroy EVE, then I should too.) Im pretty sure posts like this will encourage more and more goons to come and enjoy eve. You are helping CCP grow the game.
Well glad you approve.. I'll keep doing it. |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
17
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Posted - 2011.10.15 07:26:00 -
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Xython wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:On a side note that has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GOONS, My postings on third party game review forums have quadrupled in number and grown quite negtive in nature. Anyone reading them will certainly not bother trying EVE. (Hey, if the Goons are working to destroy EVE, then I should too.) More tears, man, I can still see some dry parts of your keyboard.
I'm not crying.. CCP is... after all it's their goat that gets axed..
as for ice.. I could not care less.. I don't use it or need it. I'm just doing what I was told to. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
588
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Posted - 2011.10.15 07:31:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Cerisia wrote:I've recently returned after a long break, sailed into the whole "Incarna is bad mkay" thing (which was quite right IMO) and I've seen first hand how GS has made this game suddenly interesting and fun again (yeah ok , I don't mine - so it's not affecting me first hand)
The miners (that have balls anyway) are banding together and trying to work out ways of beating Goon attacks, Goons are suddenly everywhere in the forums. TBH I've not had as much fun in an MMO for ages and long may it continue.
That said I wouldn't trust a Goon farther than I can throw one - but that's just a healthy reaction me thinks :) Cerisia gets it. I wish the rest of the EvE community had this attitude - positive, creative, and resilient in the face of opposition. Sadly, most wish to complain instead when presented with a challenge. And a challenge, really, is all this 'Oxytope crisis" really is. Something to force you to change your mode of operation - find alternatives. Think outside the box, think on your feet. To push you to take risks - mine in more dangerous areas or new territory, to try new ships or towers, or other activities for income. Think of the whole expansion fight, WiS, FiS, all that crap. The whole big deal over the last few months has been a bunch of bored players begging CCP to provide deeper challenge, and more content. The Goons are giving that to you NOW. No waiting. No debating. It's arguable more real, and more impactful, than the Incursions CCP spent months working on. I'll stop feeding Goon egos now, but seriously everyone - there are lots of workarounds to the Goon attacks. Step up your game. Move out of the kiddie pool and into the deep end, or you're going to get shot. The lifeguard is posted, and he's the one with the sniper rifle.
You have summed up the situation perfectly, IMO.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Lamya Fox
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.15 07:48:00 -
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You people need to diffrentiate between Mittens the CSM and Mittens the leader of the Goons.
They are not One in the same. Think of it as a man with two hats on. When dealing with the CSM he would be representing the EVE community. But when he is playing EVE he is playing EVE as the leader of his corp/alliance.
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
313
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Posted - 2011.10.15 07:53:00 -
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One of the great things about Eve is that you can use military power to affect the economic abilities of your opponents. What we're seeing here is simply an extension of that.
Also let's not forget that in the real world there are quite a few commodities where the supply is controlled by just a handful of companies or countries. If the rest of world doesn't like it, then they're welcome to use force to grab some of that supply for themselves.
And so it is in Eve. If you don't like the Goons controlling the supply of oxygen, then take it from them. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Guy Grand
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2011.10.15 07:54:00 -
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Goonswarm makes EVE better. They do that by being very capable and adept "bad guys". Are they damaging EVE with their economic warfare? No, in fact they are doing the opposite.
And no, they are not going to just get bored and do something else. The only thing that is going to stop them is finding a newer and better way to cause grief and misery. And even then that's a maybe.
What to do? Figure out how to make money from this of course, duh. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
588
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Posted - 2011.10.15 08:11:00 -
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The amusing thing is that the OP, by the very act of making threads like this, is perpetuating and encouraging the goons in their campaign.
Indeed, one might almost suspect that he... Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Chera Frane
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.10.15 08:32:00 -
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Infinimo wrote:basically we are waving our collective dicks in the faces of the eve community
At last! The real and pathetic reason for the Goons. They are just a bunch of flashers.
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Cidwm
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.10.15 08:36:00 -
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The goons like to have a monopoly on something. Could possibly be there way of gaining extra money since im hoping people are becoming more wise to there scams, or starve oxygen resources from potential invading alliances. Not sure on the exact situation in there area of EVE space since my sources don't really bother with it but having a monopoly over 1 resource can make them very rich gits to fund there warmachine if they can pull it off. Also on a side note, would like to point out that if you look at the CSM roster for the CSM 6, 5 out of the 14 names, inlcuding the CSM chair all come the same coalition that i know of. certainly this can't be healthy for EVE for them to have such an influence on EVE from that respect as well!
It's nice to see some market PVP in action mind. Good thing i don't actually use that particual resource much :) |
Cedille Mureau
Institute of Archaeology
2
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Posted - 2011.10.15 08:51:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Who said that the CSM are supposed to represent everyone?
They are supposed to represent those that have voted in them. If goons are the most "organized" (heh) group in this game and can easelly set us up the CSM, then tough luck.
I am getting a little tired of posting this but here goes.
Quote from the Evelopedia article "What is the CSM"
"The Scope of the CSM
The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the GÇ£greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥. The scope of issues is restricted only to EVE, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues which have direct relevance to the EVE universe. It is important to keep in mind that the CSM will not have formal powers within CCP, they will have a voice inside CCP. " My emphasis.
This document was originally created by P+¬tur J+¦hannes +ôskarsson on behalf of CCP.
It's official, the article is a little outdated regarding the length of tenure in the CSM but the rest still holds true. The role of the CSM is to represent the *WHOLE* of the player community, not as some might wish to perpetuate the interests of a minority.
That's why some people are organising a hisec campaign to ensure that hisec residents are represented in the next CSM.
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
81
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Posted - 2011.10.15 09:01:00 -
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Cidwm wrote: Also on a side note, would like to point out that if you look at the CSM roster for the CSM 6, 5 out of the 14 names, inlcuding the CSM chair all come the same coalition that i know of. certainly this can't be healthy for EVE for them to have such an influence on EVE from that respect as well!
Then maybe empire carebears should actually get out the vote the next time CSM elections come around?
Highseccers are always talking about how CCP should pander to their every whim because they supposedly represent 85% of the players (they don't, but anyway) but when CCP puts in a system that would enable their opinions and concerns to be directly represented to the development team, they all decide that spending 30 seconds on the eve-o website clicking on their favoured candidate is just too much effort and they'd much rather run another level 4 mission instead. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
592
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Posted - 2011.10.15 09:04:00 -
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Cedille Mureau wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:Who said that the CSM are supposed to represent everyone?
They are supposed to represent those that have voted in them. If goons are the most "organized" (heh) group in this game and can easelly set us up the CSM, then tough luck. I am getting a little tired of posting this but here goes. Quote from the Evelopedia article "What is the CSM" "The Scope of the CSM The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the GÇ£greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥. The scope of issues is restricted only to EVE, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues which have direct relevance to the EVE universe. It is important to keep in mind that the CSM will not have formal powers within CCP, they will have a voice inside CCP. " My emphasis. This document was originally created by P+¬tur J+¦hannes +ôskarsson on behalf of CCP. It's official, the article is a little outdated regarding the length of tenure in the CSM but the rest still holds true. The role of the CSM is to represent the *WHOLE* of the player community, not as some might wish to perpetuate the interests of a minority. That's why some people are organising a hisec campaign to ensure that hisec residents are represented in the next CSM.
I don't see anything in there that says members of the CSM are constrained from acting in game in ways that someone doesn't like.
CSM members are just as entitled to scam, pirate, gank, invade, interdict and smack other players as any other player is. Do you have a specific complaint about the two Goonswarm CSMs with respect to their actions as CSM members?
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
201
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Posted - 2011.10.15 10:15:00 -
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Goons should do something better, like reset TEST [img]http://i53.tinypic.com/bebnf8.jpg[/img] |
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