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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2011.05.13 17:35:00 -
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I find the climate of this thread comfortable. Random botter alts complaints are nice bonus.
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Calfis
Amarr Fukushima Industries Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2011.05.13 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: FeralShadow See, this is why I don't mine. Or rat. or mission run... or plex....
All i do is pvp. Cant ban me accidentally for that!
Or can they? *raised eyebrow*
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Fuzzy Wuzzi
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Posted - 2011.05.13 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Bumblefck Why on earth should I give a **** like you appear to do? MMOs aren't ****ing pandas or coelacanths to be saved FFS, they are games: that is it.
Considering the amount of time we all spend playing Eve, I'm just glad CCP knows that botters are worth preventing as the game would lose a lot of its entertainment value if they were allowed to roam freely.
Not sure why that's so hard for you to understand though. Solitaire is a game too, why don't you go play that instead?
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Nuniki
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.05.13 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Bumblefck Actually, what's more pathetic and saddening than any bot use the OP may have indulged in are the responses that this thread has garnered thus far. It's pretty sad that a group of people will collectively go ape**** over someone using a piece of software to automate the collection of spaceship pixels.
I would advise all of those people hurling obscenities at the OP to closely re-examine their lives and ask themselves if it's truly worthwhile getting so worked up over such a (in the grand scheme of things) trivial issue.
So some people are cheating at a spaceships game? Big deal.
I couldn't care one way or the other about macro use (not that I use one), but the responses here are simply laughable and really quite sad.
Except it makes any and all time you put into making isk far less valuable then it would be if there were no botters. Your response simply shows your ignorance, not that you're easy going or understanding.
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Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided
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Posted - 2011.05.13 17:52:00 -
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McCarthyism is strong here.
~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.05.13 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Val'Dore McCarthyism is strong here.
I was about to say the same thing about "gullibility". ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction. |
Nuniki
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.05.13 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Val'Dore McCarthyism is strong here.
Fail analogy.
CCP didn't ban on heresy. He was probably watched for an exorbitant amount of time (in the opinions of the anti botters) before a GM made the decision to ban. Not only that, but all he received was a 14 day ban. Now he can take all his botted money and keep using it in our universe.
That's actually very weak.
I would have smited his computers.
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Nuniki
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.05.13 18:04:00 -
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Oh, and finally to the OP:
You were banned for a reason, and you know that reason very well. Your cries of innocence falls upon deaf ears. In the future please change your cheating ways or take your punishments like a logical individual. If you cheat there is a chance you will get caught, and when you're caught you should accept these consequences instead of running off to a public forum and QQ'ing about how you were treated unfairly.
Here's a tip, no one cares.
and we love your tears.
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Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided
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Posted - 2011.05.13 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Nuniki
Originally by: Val'Dore McCarthyism is strong here.
Fail analogy.
CCP didn't ban on heresy. He was probably watched for an exorbitant amount of time (in the opinions of the anti botters) before a GM made the decision to ban. Not only that, but all he received was a 14 day ban. Now he can take all his botted money and keep using it in our universe.
That's actually very weak.
I would have smited his computers.
I wasn't talking about CCP.
~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
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Sarah Tarith
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2011.05.13 18:10:00 -
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You do realize that well over 5000 accounts have been banned so far this month right? A response is probably going to take a little time.
You asked me in another response of yours what I would do in your position (assuming innocence).
The answer is simple, I would wait for a response to my petition and get the matter resolved correctly. I wouldn't run to the forums and try and stir up grass roots sympathy from the feeble minded, partially because that is EXACTLY what those that are guilty do... time and again.
I did not know about 5000 banned accounts, that sucks for my petitions
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The answer is simple, I would wait for a response to my petition and get the matter resolved correctly. I wouldn't run to the forums and try and stir up grass roots sympathy from the feeble minded, partially because that is EXACTLY what those that are guilty do... time and again.
Well, I risk losing 2 POSes full of stuff, this is why I am concerned about time.
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I wouldn't run to the forums and try and stir up grass roots sympathy from the feeble minded, partially because that is EXACTLY what those that are guilty do... time and again.
My thread is titled to CCP and CCP Sreegs, do you mean I am trying to influence their minds?
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They know they are caught, and think they might be able to wriggle out of it if they raise enough of a stink, or at least make CCP look bad on their way out the door. Perhaps they might even get enough information so as to not get caught the next time.
That's OK, but what about if there is someone who is actually petitioning because of a mistake? You can't toss both the baby and the washwater.
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They also don't understand that if they really want to "bring this matter to light" they can request this investigation go public
I explicitly posted that they can bring all the matter under the light they want. So?
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If that were to occur it would include any reimbursements you might be due.
I have 2 contracts to deliver a lot of capital BPOs within the next month. This delay kills my customers and then they'll never want to use me again.
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CCP didn't ban on heresy. He was probably watched for an exorbitant amount of time (in the opinions of the anti botters) before a GM made the decision to ban. Not only that, but all he received was a 14 day ban. Now he can take all his botted money and keep using it in our universe.
That's actually very weak
Who cares for the damn money, it's the defacement that hurts.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.05.13 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Sarah Tarith Who cares for the damn money, it's the defacement that hurts.
Defacement? How many people knew you were accused of being a botter until you told everyone? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Nuniki
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.05.13 18:15:00 -
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Defacement?
Gee, I guess you shouldn't have been botting. That would definitely reduce the risk of being known as a botter.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.05.13 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Sarah Tarith
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You do realize that well over 5000 accounts have been banned so far this month right? A response is probably going to take a little time.
You asked me in another response of yours what I would do in your position (assuming innocence).
The answer is simple, I would wait for a response to my petition and get the matter resolved correctly. I wouldn't run to the forums and try and stir up grass roots sympathy from the feeble minded, partially because that is EXACTLY what those that are guilty do... time and again.
I did not know about 5000 banned accounts, that sucks for my petitions
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The answer is simple, I would wait for a response to my petition and get the matter resolved correctly. I wouldn't run to the forums and try and stir up grass roots sympathy from the feeble minded, partially because that is EXACTLY what those that are guilty do... time and again.
Well, I risk losing 2 POSes full of stuff, this is why I am concerned about time.
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I wouldn't run to the forums and try and stir up grass roots sympathy from the feeble minded, partially because that is EXACTLY what those that are guilty do... time and again.
My thread is titled to CCP and CCP Sreegs, do you mean I am trying to influence their minds?
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They know they are caught, and think they might be able to wriggle out of it if they raise enough of a stink, or at least make CCP look bad on their way out the door. Perhaps they might even get enough information so as to not get caught the next time.
That's OK, but what about if there is someone who is actually petitioning because of a mistake? You can't toss both the baby and the washwater.
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They also don't understand that if they really want to "bring this matter to light" they can request this investigation go public
I explicitly posted that they can bring all the matter under the light they want. So?
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If that were to occur it would include any reimbursements you might be due.
I have 2 contracts to deliver a lot of capital BPOs within the next month. This delay kills my customers and then they'll never want to use me again.
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CCP didn't ban on heresy. He was probably watched for an exorbitant amount of time (in the opinions of the anti botters) before a GM made the decision to ban. Not only that, but all he received was a 14 day ban. Now he can take all his botted money and keep using it in our universe.
That's actually very weak
Who cares for the damn money, it's the defacement that hurts.
First, I see that the decision has been made not to publicly make examples of people anymore. Pity.
Second, if you title your thread (on an open forum) to a particular person/company, that doesn't mean you can claim the thread was only meant for them. It makes you look like a tool. If you want PRIVATE correspondence then do as you were told (in no uncertain terms) to do so in petition and email.
Third, yes, you probably won't get an instant reply.
Fourth, if you were wrongly accused CCP will make every effort to make it right. However, since his response to you in the other thread pointed out pretty specifically that this would have happened ONLY if you were using certain bot programs I don't think that's going to be an issue. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction. |
Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2011.05.13 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Daniela Darr Edited by: Daniela Darr on 13/05/2011 12:32:22
Originally by: Dark Muse Stop macromining and you won't be banned again.
Simple uh?
Yes indeed - isn't the ban just temporary the 1st and 2nd times they catch you botting?
No need to worry (yet) ..
plenty of chances to try again
create new accounts they wont link to the others. properly launder the isk in game (worst that can happen is some innocent people go down with you) .....
This is bad advice unless you want the guy to get caught (well then its good advice for the community purpose I suppose )
Fot the account not to be linked he'd need to never log in from the same computer (there is NIC card verification , right ? any ammateur web developer using a cheap web hosting service gets that nic data of customers availble to him)
I'm not sure, but is there also a signature for the serial number of the router you use?.. if so exclusive use of a second box for outside of eual uses would provide no protection.. nor would it if you had a fixed ip adress . Trades and contracts between accounts could lead to an investigation of corelation in your log in habbits which could paint a pretty strong circumstantial case, which they might be able to confirm by other stupidity like chat logs on your main mentioning that you needed to close up your other client that was mining or bragging about how much you mined when your legit accounts didn't mine at all etc .
Its not a court of law, and the US presumption of "beyond a reasonable doubt" only applies to criminal cases even if by some weird sense you felt US laws at all should be applicable here. In that stretch that you still felt that way, even in the US the burden of proof for a civil tort would be "a preponderance of the evidance" and a heavy amount of circumstantial evidence of log in corelation , trade connections from simlar third parties, chat remarks etc would be more than enough to fit customs of a fair process.
But thats just a matter of courtesy and customer relation reputation, not law.
Even though I take issue with a bunch of customer communication habits and priorties at CCP, that "bunch" is a small percentage compared to a very high majority that they get right. I'd be fairly confident that you'd have had some communications along the way and chances to head off suspicion.
A stranger convo'ing you or saying hi to you in local could very well be an undercover ccp person, (for all i know) giving you an extra little benefit of the doubt and chance to prove you are there. Of course not responding isn't evidence (plenty of reason to ignore many strangers) but it could have headed off suspicion at a much earlier stage.... if you're operating in a way you know might look like a bot, you might want to take special steps here and there to show that you're actually at the computer. That would show goodwill to the company and othe players allowing their resources to move onto the next suspicious behaviour in addition to sparing you potential hassel
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Maverick2011
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.05.13 19:05:00 -
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Yea if theres something i learned during online gaming since Diablo2 is that offenders say "i never did anything".
The chance of a legit player getting harmed by bot detecting is so low that i could tell CCP right now to scan my whole account and try to find any trace of botting, money purchasing etc without fear.
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Sentinel 7
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Posted - 2011.05.13 19:45:00 -
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Edited by: Sentinel 7 on 13/05/2011 19:45:45
Originally by: Sarah Tarith Who cares for the damn money, it's the defacement that hurts.
Then don't wash your dirty linen in public and make a whole series of attention-seeking posts, start one whole thread dedicated to yourself and hijack another. YOU are the only one that is making you look bad right now.
You got not one but TWO CCP responses, 20 and 30 minutes before your latest attempt at a defence. So shut up and wait in line in the petition system where you should have stayed all along.
(edit: I can't frakking type today...)
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Oesophagus
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Posted - 2011.05.13 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Maverick2011 Yea if theres something i learned during online gaming since Diablo2 is that offenders say "i never did anything".
The chance of a legit player getting harmed by bot detecting is so low that i could tell CCP right now to scan my whole account and try to find any trace of botting, money purchasing etc without fear.
I wonder how this can be true, if a person is watching TV and slips ore in a jet can when it appears in the cargo hold. It would be the same as a macro, the random variations or even being too late and losing some ore is no proof. Also a long cycle time even makes it worse. How do tey do it? If you do this for some time it would look like botting.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.05.13 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Oesophagus
Originally by: Maverick2011 Yea if theres something i learned during online gaming since Diablo2 is that offenders say "i never did anything".
The chance of a legit player getting harmed by bot detecting is so low that i could tell CCP right now to scan my whole account and try to find any trace of botting, money purchasing etc without fear.
I wonder how this can be true, if a person is watching TV and slips ore in a jet can when it appears in the cargo hold. It would be the same as a macro, the random variations or even being too late and losing some ore is no proof. Also a long cycle time even makes it worse. How do tey do it? If you do this for some time it would look like botting.
A bot will do everything to a set time and never change.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.05.13 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Oesophagus
Originally by: Maverick2011 Yea if theres something i learned during online gaming since Diablo2 is that offenders say "i never did anything".
The chance of a legit player getting harmed by bot detecting is so low that i could tell CCP right now to scan my whole account and try to find any trace of botting, money purchasing etc without fear.
I wonder how this can be true, if a person is watching TV and slips ore in a jet can when it appears in the cargo hold. It would be the same as a macro, the random variations or even being too late and losing some ore is no proof. Also a long cycle time even makes it worse. How do tey do it? If you do this for some time it would look like botting.
It's pretty easy to tell when a character is being controlled by a bot, even without any of the means and methods CCP has at it's disposal.
Repeated, nonsensical responses to different situations. Responses that a human would never make.
Blow his ship up, and the pod continues to go through the same mechanical actions (or at least attempt to), the hauler keeps coming out to pick up ore, etc.
There are other little ways to tell, but that is best covered elsewhere. Suffice to say that even obvious recognizable bot behaviors that we can pick up on as players probably carry the least weight with CCP. They have other methods at their disposal.
===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction. |
Fearless M0F0
Incursion PWNAGE Asc
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Posted - 2011.05.13 22:57:00 -
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OP gets 10/10 for successfully trolling a CCP dev into replying
All these "banned for no reason" posts gotta be bot sellers playing some sort of PR warfare on CCP by seeding doubt about banning procedures. I suggest CCP mods to start locking these threads with a note to file petition
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Darin Ahan Parmana
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Posted - 2011.05.13 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sentinel 7 (edit: I can't frakking type today...)
That's not so bad. Apparently, the OP can't frakking bot today!
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Fuzzy Wuzzi
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Posted - 2011.05.13 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1 A bot will do everything to a set time and never change.
There must be more to it than that. It'd be incredibly easy to make a bot program whose every actions (and I mean EVERY single click or keyboard press) occur and at random milliseconds so that the macro appears to be more human.
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Shania Fox
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Posted - 2011.05.13 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Fearless M0F0
I suggest CCP mods to start locking these threads with a note to file petition
Not sure that's such a good idea atm, with all the threads in the past about CCP not doing anything about bots. It's actually good to see some whining threads about being banned for botting. Shows CCP will enforce their rules. These threads are also a good way to let people know that if you bot you could get banned.
Although technically you are right as it's discussing petitions, but in this particular case and those similar, it's not a bad thing to leave them open at least whilst trying to get the message across.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.05.13 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Fuzzy Wuzzi
Originally by: baltec1 A bot will do everything to a set time and never change.
There must be more to it than that. It'd be incredibly easy to make a bot program whose every actions (and I mean EVERY single click or keyboard press) occur and at random milliseconds so that the macro appears to be more human.
You would think so. CCP have better ways of finding them but for us players this tends to be a rather simple way of finding them. Most times you can time their haulers to the second.
The other way to make sure is to blow them up and watch the pod warp back and forth from a belt and just empty the can yourself. The GM you inform tends to let you keep the ore as a reward
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Erik CoolBreeze
Amarr eve-universe.net
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Posted - 2011.05.14 00:36:00 -
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tl;dr(follow-up posts)
Why is the first thing I thought of after reading the initial post: "ccp is creating accounts to fake account banning cry threads?"
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Aeronwen Carys
Empire of Dust
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Posted - 2011.05.14 00:40:00 -
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Edited by: Aeronwen Carys on 14/05/2011 00:41:39
Originally by: Bumblefck Actually, what's more pathetic and saddening than any bot use the OP may have indulged in are the responses that this thread has garnered thus far. It's pretty sad that a group of people will collectively go ape**** over someone using a piece of software to automate the collection of spaceship pixels.
I would advise all of those people hurling obscenities at the OP to closely re-examine their lives and ask themselves if it's truly worthwhile getting so worked up over such a (in the grand scheme of things) trivial issue.
So some people are cheating at a spaceships game? Big deal.
I couldn't care one way or the other about macro use (not that I use one), but the responses here are simply laughable and really quite sad.
Good morning Captain Decidedly Dumb! Just thought I would take some time out of my busy schedule to point something out that you appear to have overlooked. While to you this may just be a collection of pixels to others, namely CCP, it is actually what is known as a business.
Businesses, on the whole, generate income used to pay wages, fund development and bring out new products etc etc. This income is generated by selling a product or service of some kind to people collectively classed as "Customers". These customers, in the case of CCP, pay to use a service/product called EVE online which is an internet based sci-fi simulator.
Every month these customers pay CCP for the use of said service/product using various different payment methods. In order for a company to stay "in business" it is generally considered good practice to keep the customers happy, if the customers become unhappy they leave and the business loses money.
We are customers, we do not like botters and we choose to voice our feelings here. While you may not appreciate or, as seems more likely, understand our annoyance, it is not just "some people cheating at a spaceships game" to either US or to CCP. I hope some of that managed to leak its way into your rather densely formed cranium. Good day sir!!
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Rethie
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.05.14 00:52:00 -
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Super Failure
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Posted - 2011.05.14 02:41:00 -
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Originally by: Fuzzy Wuzzi
Originally by: baltec1 A bot will do everything to a set time and never change.
There must be more to it than that. It'd be incredibly easy to make a bot program whose every actions (and I mean EVERY single click or keyboard press) occur and at random milliseconds so that the macro appears to be more human.
It's possible, but it may not defeat bot-detecting measures. Also, remember that bots have to make ISK for their masters so that is going to define their overall behavior.
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.05.14 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: Super Failure
Originally by: Fuzzy Wuzzi
Originally by: baltec1 A bot will do everything to a set time and never change.
There must be more to it than that. It'd be incredibly easy to make a bot program whose every actions (and I mean EVERY single click or keyboard press) occur and at random milliseconds so that the macro appears to be more human.
It's possible, but it may not defeat bot-detecting measures. Also, remember that bots have to make ISK for their masters so that is going to define their overall behavior.
There are macros that look very human. And CCP has found some of them too. No idea how (which is a good thing I guess).
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Super Failure
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Posted - 2011.05.14 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: Sarah Tarith
Even if I was guilty, shouldn't I get at least a GTFO reply?
Why would you be entitled to that if you are guilty?
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