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JcJet
Caldari Pretenders Inc Tower of Dark Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.21 12:06:00 -
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Well, the truth is, you're always be ****ed in this game, eventually. It's doesn't matter what you do, how good you do it and how long are you in game. And if you're good, you're get ****ed most frequently(so if you don't get ****ed, you're noob ). It's always been so. Because all players pays a fixed amount of cash, and there is a lot more noobs than old ones, so it's a simple numbers.
And it's not the worst change in current expansion... ---
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.12.21 15:02:00 -
[92]
Will reserve judgement until someone with a clue posts with empirical testing results.
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Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention Middle of Nowhere
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Posted - 2010.12.21 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Durzel Will reserve judgement until someone with a clue posts with empirical testing results.
I sure hope not, the thread is much funnier in its current form. --
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Hiram Alexander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.21 16:53:00 -
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Personally, I think this is great news. I don't live in WH space currently, but I've spent a lot of time there, and nothing is funnier in this thread to me than the tears of pilots who think Anoikis=Farm...
Loving the tears.
Grow a pair. I's no farm, deal with it; you've had it far too easy for far too long.....
--HA
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Rezard
Minmatar Fornax Chemica
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Posted - 2010.12.21 16:59:00 -
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CCP wants all his beloved children to come back to normal space, it is for your own good...
"WH space was never intended for you to enjoy and live there"
Come children... return to New Eden.
Sansha Awakening.
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Paridoth
Trannyz Republic Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.21 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: MisterAl tt1
Chimera in class6 pulsar (bonus to cap-recharge) was empty in six minutes.
could you post the fit you used? using your later stated 1.5 heavy neuts each guardian. i am seeing a triage thanatos as cap stable in a vanilla wh. so interested to see why your c6 pulsar chimera is having problems.
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MisterAl tt1
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Posted - 2010.12.21 21:07:00 -
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Edited by: MisterAl tt1 on 21/12/2010 21:07:45 I wasn't the one testing that solo-chimera, actually.
Some more people reported a carrier with still stable, untill it tries to rep both himself and someone else, so I assume the site had more neutro in the initial wave alongside with Guardians.
For those unable to scan a site: 1. Go to Options (Esc) > Reset settings > Reset to default Windows positions. 2. Restart your client. 3. Use only built-in scan, probes won't work.
Tengu, unable to run resists under two Guardians - that's what I saw on my own.
We found one more surprise, at least for pulsars, a separate topic will be created as soon as we gather all the info and screenshots needed.
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Paridoth
Trannyz Republic Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.21 21:29:00 -
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why would you need to rep yourself and someone else?
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sentinel22uk
Black Talon Mercs Random-Violence
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Posted - 2010.12.22 03:44:00 -
[99]
AI > Humuns ?
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Killerhound
Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.12.22 16:05:00 -
[100]
The Chimera I guess is a question of good timing to keep it up alive.
For the damagedealers, actually a Pithum a-type passive hardner gives 56% Resistance with skill at 5 and using less CPU and no cap at all. Do your math gentlemen.
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Skulldilocks
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Posted - 2010.12.22 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: MisterAl tt1 Neutro returned.
Chimera in class6 pulsar (bonus to cap-recharge) was empty in six minutes. Thus sleeper BS has a large neutro. Each.
CCP, are you kidding???
This makes T3 (a ship CREATED for WH) absolutely useless, as their main bonuses for farm are their resists and, sometimes, speed-tank. With such "changes" any T3 ship will be as good as dead just as soon as it was focused - ne active resists, no AB, nothing. So, this way of farm is dead.
Solo active-tanking - dead.
PVP with dropping your fleet on the enemy making anomaly in class 5-6 - dead.
Capital-farm - almost dead.
Do you honstly want everyone to use spider-domis, full-passive T3 (many doubts they will live) and nothing but? Is this your understanding of "ballance"??
CCP, is THIS is your final idea how sleepers neutro should work, or are you going to hear your customers who really like WH the way they are and think a little more about ballance?
If this is true and not some troll, it is very disturbing indeed. Most corporations in C6 holes use triage carriers as rep support now. The only thing I can see working would be a gang with a LOT of guardian support.
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Joe Bonanno
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Posted - 2010.12.23 15:35:00 -
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So by nerfing WH's so that sites can only be done sites in groups, CCP is basically saying **** you to all but the largest corporations in WH's. Guess it's time to start hoarding T3 goods, considering the prices for them are going to skyrocket with so many people being forced out of WH's, or at the very least, with less crap actually coming out of WH's.
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Contralto
Rift Tech
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Posted - 2010.12.23 16:14:00 -
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As in most things in Eve, nerfs and changes necesitate adapting to the new influences.
Solo or small groups of T3, BC, BS will have to be supplemented by pairs of cap transfer logistics or adding a Logistics Carrier to the mix. At least in C4 and below. C5 and C6 are mostly done by larger groups so relatively easy for them to add a few more cap transfer ships.
I am planning to replace a Tengu with a Carrier in my C4, It will soak up any cap suction a C4 Sleeper can generate and keep other members of the gang alive. Admittedly not an optimum setup as Fighters and drones die fast in 2 or 3 ship gangs, So not much dps from the carrier.
Something else to experiment with is having a Basi' at max range (90 km with Imp navy cap transfers) from the active tanked damage dealers, which in turn are at max range from the sleeper spawns (100 km+).
At almost 200km from the sleepers, this will reduce the dps on the logistics hopefully allowing it to tank itself without a second logi support. Not sure what range the sleeper BS can Nos out to, but surely not past 150 km
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Jaari Val'Dara
Caldari Atomic Zeppelins BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.12.23 18:34:00 -
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Edited by: Jaari Val''Dara on 23/12/2010 18:34:45
Originally by: Contralto As in most things in Eve, nerfs and changes necesitate adapting to the new influences.
Solo or small groups of T3, BC, BS will have to be supplemented by pairs of cap transfer logistics or adding a Logistics Carrier to the mix. At least in C4 and below. C5 and C6 are mostly done by larger groups so relatively easy for them to add a few more cap transfer ships.
I am planning to replace a Tengu with a Carrier in my C4, It will soak up any cap suction a C4 Sleeper can generate and keep other members of the gang alive. Admittedly not an optimum setup as Fighters and drones die fast in 2 or 3 ship gangs, So not much dps from the carrier.
Something else to experiment with is having a Basi' at max range (90 km with Imp navy cap transfers) from the active tanked damage dealers, which in turn are at max range from the sleeper spawns (100 km+).
At almost 200km from the sleepers, this will reduce the dps on the logistics hopefully allowing it to tank itself without a second logi support. Not sure what range the sleeper BS can Nos out to, but surely not past 150 km
The problem with using carriers is that you need to build them inside wh. CCP shouldn't encourage living inside wh's.
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Contralto
Rift Tech
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Posted - 2010.12.23 20:25:00 -
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Yes! and you are restricted to your home system if C4 and below.
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Kleatus Slick
Amarr Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Syndicate.
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Posted - 2010.12.28 19:28:00 -
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Ok I just tested the anoms in a c4 with a solo tengu. Faction/Deadspace fit. Tanks 1392 hits for 720ish ( cant remember exactly but it is over 700 I know). Cap stable at 54%
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Barracks: No prob at all, the preservers neut at 70km but if you warp in at range it is easy to stay out of their range.
Information Sanctum: I don't see how any solo tengu is gonna be able to do this one. Tested three times with the EXACT same results. The Safegaurd comes at you well over 1200ms and brings the 3 Defenders with him. At 50km the Safegaurd starts neuting and within 30 seconds I was cap dry. I had started out at 133km from him and ran away the whole time while firing salvos at him. When I died he was at approx 35% armor every time.
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Ginlene
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Posted - 2011.01.03 18:45:00 -
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Bump for more test results please?
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Euasked
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Posted - 2011.01.04 02:19:00 -
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Confirming my local tank tengu fit built for c4, died in a fire at 2nd spawn of Frontier Barracks today on Sisi. All 3 Sleepless Guardians had my cap drained below peak recharge in under a minute. The lone guardian in the first spawn was unable to get my tengu (49% stable) below peak recharge.
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Contralto
Rift Tech
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Posted - 2011.01.04 06:07:00 -
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Originally by: Euasked Confirming my local tank tengu fit built for c4, died in a fire at 2nd spawn of Frontier Barracks today on Sisi. All 3 Sleepless Guardians had my cap drained below peak recharge in under a minute. The lone guardian in the first spawn was unable to get my tengu (49% stable) below peak recharge.
Discuss...
I think you meant to say "Upholders" not "Guardians"?
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Falcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2011.01.04 06:43:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Falcus Aurelius on 04/01/2011 06:43:15 Oh dear...This will be dealt with...
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Falcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2011.01.04 20:31:00 -
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Edited by: Falcus Aurelius on 04/01/2011 20:32:44 Seriously though, any word from CCP whether this will actually go live?
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Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention Middle of Nowhere
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Posted - 2011.01.05 03:31:00 -
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Edited by: Catari Taga on 05/01/2011 03:31:03
Originally by: Euasked Confirming my local tank tengu fit built for c4, died in a fire at 2nd spawn of Frontier Barracks today on Sisi. All 3 Sleepless Guardians had my cap drained below peak recharge in under a minute. The lone guardian in the first spawn was unable to get my tengu (49% stable) below peak recharge.
Discuss...
No longer being able to solo class 4 sites sounds like a good change to me. Discuss. --
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Dirinan
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Posted - 2011.01.05 16:47:00 -
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Quite an odd change to not have been brought up in a Dev Blog or something. I mean, posting on some thread isn't considered, "Professional." I looked at the CCP rep's post and said, "That would have been nice to know earlier."
Until I see an official post to the public, I don't see this hitting the next patch.
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Euasked
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Posted - 2011.01.05 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Catari Taga Edited by: Catari Taga on 05/01/2011 03:31:03
Originally by: Euasked Confirming my local tank tengu fit built for c4, died in a fire at 2nd spawn of Frontier Barracks today on Sisi. All 3 Sleepless Guardians had my cap drained below peak recharge in under a minute. The lone guardian in the first spawn was unable to get my tengu (49% stable) below peak recharge.
Discuss...
No longer being able to solo class 4 sites sounds like a good change to me. Discuss.
I dont see this change as making the sites impossible to solo...even so most people "soloing" them were probably dual boxing two t3's or 1x t3 and 1x CS/logi. Were already finding ways around it and it looks as if all it will really do is limit "soloing" t3's to...wait for it...more Tengus! Good job ccp on ****ing on all the t3s that were already the hardest and most expensive to fly/fit for the job...
Anyway, looking forward to the price hike on t3! 400mil Tengu hull anyone?!
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Euasked
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Posted - 2011.01.05 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Contralto
Originally by: Euasked Confirming my local tank tengu fit built for c4, died in a fire at 2nd spawn of Frontier Barracks today on Sisi. All 3 Sleepless Guardians had my cap drained below peak recharge in under a minute. The lone guardian in the first spawn was unable to get my tengu (49% stable) below peak recharge.
Discuss...
I think you meant to say "Upholders" not "Guardians"?
Indeed I did, you have my apologies and gratitude for the correction.
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Contralto
Rift Tech
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Posted - 2011.01.05 23:54:00 -
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I am looking at ways around the problem.
With Sleepers having a range of operation that they wont exceed, placing a sniper 70km outside this limit will mean the Nos never effects you.
I have read that Dreads are already used for this but after an EFT session I came up with a Tengu fit that has over 200km effective missile range and plenty of Dps. Warping a Cov-ops or Zephyr in at 100km then the combat ships at 100km from it will give the required range.
There are some small drawbacks, More wasted missiles as there will be several in flight after a BS pops, This can be minimized if you predict the missiles required. Wrecks will be spread out resulting in slower salvaging, but the Noctis should compensate for that.
Spawns may be out of range for longer, increasing time taken.
As with any new tactic it will take some experimentation to fine tune it for different Sleepers. I will setup a couple of Tengu's like this after the 18th.
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Floydd Heywood
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Posted - 2011.01.06 03:21:00 -
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According to EVE-Survival.org there are not many neuting sleepers in C3 sites. I'm not sure if more than described there use the pseudo-NOS now... since it never had any effect I paid no attention to it.
If the data is correct however: Outpost Frontier Stronghold: No neuters at all Fortification Frontier Stronghold: One easy-to-kill neuting cruiser, another neuting cruiser and BS in last wave; could be a problem Solar Cell: Some neuters, but only small stuff. No neuters in the final wave, which is the only one that deals serious damage The Oruze Construct: Four neuting cruisers in first wave, three can be killed very quickly. One neutung BS in last wave, could be a problem
Seems like the two best-rewarding anomalies in C3s won't be affected by this change. Unless of course I'm wrong and there are more neuting sleepers than I think.
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Contralto
Rift Tech
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Posted - 2011.01.06 07:37:00 -
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Originally by: Floydd Heywood According to EVE-Survival.org there are not many neuting sleepers in C3 sites.
I think C3 and below wont pose much of a problem, I live in a C4 and that is where things start to get nasty, but yes even in a C4 not all sites have Nos BS.
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leana cyan
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Posted - 2011.01.06 22:49:00 -
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ive tested it in my c5 mag. lost my carrier in like 15 min was nueted to nothin. in a core garrison before i could kill all the frigs cruisers and turrents the bs nueted me to nothing. i hope this doesnt go live to tranq if it does its going to mean higher t3 prices and alot of people leaveing wh space. i and my corp have been in wh space since the begining we have addapted are tactics to live here spent loads of isk to do so and skills to train aswell and now your going to screw us over like this. the way it looks to me is it was your mistake leave the sleepers the way they are. i thought wh space was a place where small corps could get a foothold abviosly your catering to the larger alliances again and screwing over the small corps in eve like allways. believe me i like a challange thats why im in wh space but this is going to far and i wont mind higher t3 prices cause we will be profitting but ide take a closer look at it if i were u. well my rant is done flame away with your stop whineing posts cause u will be whineing when t3 goes sky high and i get richer |
Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.01.07 01:35:00 -
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So it looks like fits like my linked T3 and CS ones with 'spare' cap boosters will be fine for c3s, right? |
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