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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:10:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Anslo wrote:>implying 350k subscribers is indicative of a healthy and thriving online population where most activity online is around 40k now >implying 10k of those 40k aren't just nulsec alts. except that the game is at those numbers because it caters to a niche rather than the masses this game won't last long if it's suddenly transformed to cater to the "masses" given the fact that it's a set of spreadsheets with some outdated 3D graphics
MS Excel used to have a Doom easter egg.
Does it make a well more than 9 years old succesful set of spreadsheets with some outdated 3D graphics? Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1641
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:10:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Wrong. If this game catered to the masses, it would last long. WoW lasted long. Guild Wars lasts long. Top that off with regular free content, you have a gold mine. PvPers have held this game back too long. If WiS had been released in full and even flying/walking on planets and cities, this game would see a THRONG of people flock to it (such as Mass Effect fans, sci-fi novel fans, sci-fi television show fans, Star Wars fans even, etc). More money, more content, more diversity, more interest.
But YOU and your ilk have done nothing but stagnate this game's growth by scaring people away and screaming bloody murder for anything that hinders your Blaster enabled e-peen beating. This stagnation has gone on long enough. Get over it or get out. The age of the care bear draws nearer.
Ahahaha yeah let's try to bring WoW's success into context here because all of the WoW clones are also successful and have millions of subscribers, just like WoW EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:13:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Anslo wrote:No. I suggest you leave. You and your kind are what make this game have such a low population of players; because you pew at anything that moves, even in a tiny newb ship. For this game to thrive, PvP changes like what's happening should occur. Deal with it. 350k subscribers is not a "low population" in any way, shape or form, hope this helps >implying 350k subscribers is indicative of a healthy and thriving online population where most activity online is around 40k now >implying 10k of those 40k aren't just nulsec alts.
Anslo curb stomping whiney derps with logic left and right. +1 |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:13:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Anslo wrote:Wrong. If this game catered to the masses, it would last long. WoW lasted long. Guild Wars lasts long. Top that off with regular free content, you have a gold mine. PvPers have held this game back too long. If WiS had been released in full and even flying/walking on planets and cities, this game would see a THRONG of people flock to it (such as Mass Effect fans, sci-fi novel fans, sci-fi television show fans, Star Wars fans even, etc). More money, more content, more diversity, more interest.
But YOU and your ilk have done nothing but stagnate this game's growth by scaring people away and screaming bloody murder for anything that hinders your Blaster enabled e-peen beating. This stagnation has gone on long enough. Get over it or get out. The age of the care bear draws nearer. Ahahaha yeah let's try to bring WoW's success into context here because all of the WoW clones are also successful and have millions of subscribers, just like WoW
More people and news about WoW than EVE isn't there? When it comes down to it, it's all about the bottom line, and PvPers of today are bad for business.
EDIT: And when did I say EVE should become a WoW clone? I said the PvP needs controlled and is stagnative to the game. Learn to read. |
Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
413
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:13:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Anslo wrote:No. I suggest you leave. You and your kind are what make this game have such a low population of players; because you pew at anything that moves, even in a tiny newb ship. For this game to thrive, PvP changes like what's happening should occur. Deal with it. 350k subscribers is not a "low population" in any way, shape or form, hope this helps
i'd like to see that be 700k, or 800k or more. that means CCP could hire more staff and speed of iteration would increase. if that means reducing (but not making impossible ) suiciding then I'm fine with that. if that means making resource gathering more exciting i'm ok with that (also because that probably means the ships we pew pew with will cost less because new players entering the resource gathering professions).
and if it means making gooniebabies cry.. then i'm DEFINITELY ok with it
[edit] i accidentally a few words If you don't see a problem in 0.0 eroding into two big super-coalitions and a few hangers on in areas nobody cares about.. then you don't have brains. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:16:00 -
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Denidil wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Anslo wrote:No. I suggest you leave. You and your kind are what make this game have such a low population of players; because you pew at anything that moves, even in a tiny newb ship. For this game to thrive, PvP changes like what's happening should occur. Deal with it. 350k subscribers is not a "low population" in any way, shape or form, hope this helps i'd like to see that be 700k, or 800k or more. that means CCP could hire more staff and speed of iteration would increase. if that means reducing (but not making suiciding) impossible then I'm fine with that. if that means making resource gathering more exciting i'm ok with that (also because that probably means the ships we pew pew with will cost less because new players entering the resource gathering professions). and if it means making gooniebabies cry.. then i'm DEFINITELY ok with it
THIS. He gets it. Reign in the pvp and "HTFU" BS and bring in the masses. Slowly amp up pvp a little bit to get them used to it. More subscribers, more capital, a bigger game, more lore and story, more shiny ships, more bug fixes, more hiring, bigger company, better stuff, greater expansions. EVERYONE WINS.
But as I said, PvP extremists are just stagnating the game to the point that "genetic diversity" in eve is so non-existent that it will make it an extinct relic of a failed game where it COULD have been the single greatest and largest MMO to date. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8922
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:16:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:Anslo curb stomping whiney derps with logic left and right. +1 Too bad that it's all fallacious and based on pure guesswork.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1641
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:17:00 -
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Anslo wrote:More people and news about WoW than EVE isn't there? When it comes down to it, it's all about the bottom line, and PvPers of today are bad for business.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7905924.stm http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/07/arts/07eve.html?pagewanted=all http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8132547.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7256069.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8545268.stm
feel free to let me know when some raiders in WoW make the news EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1641
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:19:00 -
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Denidil wrote:i'd like to see that be 700k, or 800k or more. that means CCP could hire more staff and speed of iteration would increase. if that means reducing (but not making suiciding) impossible then I'm fine with that. if that means making resource gathering more exciting i'm ok with that (also because that probably means the ships we pew pew with will cost less because new players entering the resource gathering professions).
and if it means making gooniebabies cry.. then i'm DEFINITELY ok with it
because eve would be such a ~great~ game on its own merits
"come play EVE Online, a game with endless undocumented mechanics, boring missions and AWESOME MINING today" EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:19:00 -
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So to bolster your argument you pull some news articles from 2-5+ years ago? That's....pathetically funny. And where are the masses commenting on these articles? Where was the ROI on these news articles? Hm? Non-existent compared to larger and more successful games. |
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1641
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:20:00 -
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i hope CCP listens to you
no, honestly, I do
it'll be fun to watch them go under as they try to hold on to DUST for dear life until another CoD clone is released and everyone moves on and stops buying stuff from the cash shop EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:20:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:Anslo curb stomping whiney derps with logic left and right. +1 Too bad that it's all fallacious and based on pure guesswork.
It's based on observation of the obvious in the gaming/business world. Unless you prove otherwise, you should probably go back to mashing F1 and laughing at the rookie ship on the other end of your weapons. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1641
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:21:00 -
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Anslo wrote:So to bolster your argument you pull some news articles from 2-5+ years ago? That's....pathetically funny. And where are the masses commenting on these articles? Where was the ROI on these news articles? Hm? Non-existent compared to larger and more successful games.
yeah feel free to pull up all those articles about how those 5 dudes conquered that raid in WoW EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1641
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:22:00 -
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Anslo were you one of those people who defended NGE as SOE finally "getting it" EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:23:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Denidil wrote:i'd like to see that be 700k, or 800k or more. that means CCP could hire more staff and speed of iteration would increase. if that means reducing (but not making suiciding) impossible then I'm fine with that. if that means making resource gathering more exciting i'm ok with that (also because that probably means the ships we pew pew with will cost less because new players entering the resource gathering professions).
and if it means making gooniebabies cry.. then i'm DEFINITELY ok with it because eve would be such a ~great~ game on its own merits "come play EVE Online, a game with endless undocumented mechanics, boring missions and AWESOME MINING today"
Your business and marketing/PR skills are horrible. The bitter vet in you blinds your logic. Stop posting.
Richard Desturned wrote:i hope CCP listens to you
no, honestly, I do
it'll be fun to watch them go under as they try to hold on to DUST for dear life until another CoD clone is released and everyone moves on and stops buying stuff from the cash shop
If they catered to the masses and stopped pandering to you asshats they would probably be a much larger, more thriving, and more profitable company belting out a LOT of content, both PvP and PvE. They wouldn't have needed to fire anyone for the debacle earlier on with spreading to thin between Dust, WoD and letting EVE suffer. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:24:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Anslo wrote:So to bolster your argument you pull some news articles from 2-5+ years ago? That's....pathetically funny. And where are the masses commenting on these articles? Where was the ROI on these news articles? Hm? Non-existent compared to larger and more successful games. yeah feel free to pull up all those articles about how those 5 dudes conquered that raid in WoW
Who cares? People don't play a game to make news. We play it for FUN and not to deal with game trolling neanderthals.
Richard Desturned wrote:Anslo were you one of those people who defended NGE as SOE finally "getting it"
I don't even know what that's a reference to. I don't follow this game so closely to know every aspect news and nuance. I play for fun, not for life. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8922
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:25:00 -
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Anslo wrote:It's based on observation of the obvious in the gaming/business world. GǪbut not on facts, which is pretty strange, since some of the facts are very well known and easy to come by.
The simple fact remains: PvP is what has kept this game alive for a decade; what has kept it in media focus for just as long; what has kept it from stagnating like all those themepark games; what has kept it in one of the top spots for pay-for western MMO populations.
Your falsified numbers and unfounded assumptions don't change any of that. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
413
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:26:00 -
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can we give the "WoW vs EvE" **** a break? they're two entirely different games top to bottom, are not comparable. EvE will never have 12 million subscribers (nor does WoW anymore :P) nor should it.
But complaining that changes make (or people want) EvE more like WoW (or "hello kitty online") are ********, just as are complaints that someones 8bn isk shiny (loot pinata :P) raven navy issue got suicided.
Were the miners pretty whiny about hulkageddon: absolutely... but they were also right, which is why I argued on their side when it came to the EHP increase on ships. they were too ******* easy to suicide - it shouldn't be profitable to suicide based on just the manufacturing value of the ship. That clearly goes against the intended design of allowing suiciding.
However at the same time the gankbears (yes.. you're little better than carebears. seriously shoot something that shoots back) are little better - claiming that they made it impossible (false) to suicide them. nope it just takes 3 or 4 tornadoes to suicide a DCII+2x invul mackinaw. three catalysts should still be able to take out a 2xMLU hulk in .5
If you don't see a problem in 0.0 eroding into two big super-coalitions and a few hangers on in areas nobody cares about.. then you don't have brains. |
Hammer Borne
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:27:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Anslo wrote:It's based on observation of the obvious in the gaming/business world. GǪbut not on facts, which is pretty strange, since some of the facts are very well known and easy to come by. The simple fact remains: PvP is what has kept this game alive for a decade; what has kept it in media focus for just as long; what has kept it from stagnating like all those themepark games; what has kept it in one of the top spots for pay-for western MMO populations. Your falsified numbers and unfounded assumptions don't change any of that.
His points about the crap community are, however, crystal clear. I happen to agree with all of them. Bad communities ruin games and this one has reached an all time low. |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
434
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:27:00 -
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CCP just need to remove gate guns from All gates EXCEPT the ones that border on high-sec.
Once you are in low-sec there is plenty of other restrictions to keep things in check.
I don't have a problem with gate guns being nasty on the border gate, after that welcome to low-sec.
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1642
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:28:00 -
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Denidil wrote:seriously shoot something that shoots back
done
next? EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8922
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:29:00 -
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Hammer Borne wrote:His points about the crap community are, however, crystal clear. I happen to agree with all of them. Bad communities ruin games and this one has reached an all time low. Good thing, then, that EVE has won multiple GÇ£best communityGÇ¥ awards.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1642
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:30:00 -
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Anslo wrote:If they catered to the masses and stopped pandering to you asshats they would probably be a much larger, more thriving, and more profitable company belting out a LOT of content, both PvP and PvE. They wouldn't have needed to fire anyone for the debacle earlier on with spreading to thin between Dust, WoD and letting EVE suffer.
Hi us "asshats" had nothing to do with CCP's mistakes in trying to extend their reach EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
413
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:31:00 -
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Richard and Tippia do have a point that this IS primarily a PvP game.. hell i don't pvp in any other MMO but I play eve to PVP. all my PvE activities are just for the purpose of funding my PvP.
anyway.. as i was saying - they have a point in that this is a PvP game. it will always be PvP centric. I'm for making the PvE more entertaining/harder/more cooperative to bring in players in - the "farms and fields" design initiatives. I supported the EHP buffing of the barges because of the cost vs reward ratio on suiciding barges was entirely out of whack.
However i think blaming PvPers in general for problems with the game is just wrong - as it is a pvp game. Gankbears are a problem, not all PvPers are gankbears.
If you don't see a problem in 0.0 eroding into two big super-coalitions and a few hangers on in areas nobody cares about.. then you don't have brains. |
Lexmana
662
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:32:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Wrong. If this game catered to the masses, it would last long. WoW lasted long. Guild Wars lasts long. Can you give an estimate of how many games that catered to the masses that didn't last long or are you just picking the top .1% of all games to prove your thesis while ignoring the other 99.9%?
The fact is: EVE is one of the most successful MMOs ever because it is a niche game with a loyal fanbase.
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:33:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Anslo wrote:It's based on observation of the obvious in the gaming/business world. GǪbut not on facts, which is pretty strange, since some of the facts are very well known and easy to come by. The simple fact remains: PvP is what has kept this game alive for a decade; what has kept it in media focus for just as long; what has kept it from stagnating like all those themepark games; what has kept it in one of the top spots for pay-for western MMO populations. Your falsified numbers and unfounded assumptions don't change any of that. By the way, if you had observed the gaming world, you would know of this old lesson: you cannot change your replace your customer base and expect to live. Suggesting that they should is pretty bad advice.
Prove PvP has directly kept this game alive as opposed to altering the focus of the game to cater to masses who play games to relax. Playing a game to relax is fundamentally the purpose of a game, the original intent of its creation. More fun, more people. Simple.
What media coverage? Aside from some old articles, what media coverage? Anything recent outside of a few side bars from magazine's covering gaming expos and a few articles on 10k Hammer? Please...
It already has stagnated. The population has been homogeneous for years and the game in terms of population, angst and trolling simply hasn't changed. The community sucks, and this in turn affects gameplay and keeps new people from wanting to play. Would you just wanna see HTFU all the time when you start playing? No. You'd leave. But we as EVE players would love to see EVE increase grow and thrive.
This game is kept at a "top spot" because there isn't that many, IF any, sci-fi MMO's as robust as it is right now, let alone a lot of Western MMO's period. The game is good, the story is good, the potential is there. But some mechanics and parts of the community are undesirables that should be leashed.
If you want me to start using accurate numbers and statistically prove you a moron, I'd be happy to.
Also, when did I say change their customer base? I said tweak some mechanics to attract MORE to the base. You act like PvPers are the only people who pay for this game. They're not.
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Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
413
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:34:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:CCP just need to remove gate guns from All gates EXCEPT the ones that border on high-sec.
Once you are in low-sec there is plenty of other restrictions to keep things in check.
I don't have a problem with gate guns being nasty on the border gate, after that welcome to low-sec.
i always thought gate guns in lowsec were sorta dumb. i suppose it deters instalocking tackle frigates, but there has to be a better way of doing that.
Richard Desturned wrote:Denidil wrote:seriously shoot something that shoots back donenext?
good boy, next you'll be putting your own pants on and you won't be whining! If you don't see a problem in 0.0 eroding into two big super-coalitions and a few hangers on in areas nobody cares about.. then you don't have brains. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:35:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Hammer Borne wrote:His points about the crap community are, however, crystal clear. I happen to agree with all of them. Bad communities ruin games and this one has reached an all time low. Good thing, then, that EVE has won multiple GÇ£best communityGÇ¥ awards. But you're right. It has taken a bit of a downturn with all these GÇ£waah, I should be safe in highsecGÇ¥ whines that have popped up recently. Makes you wonder what failed themepark game all those lost souls are pouring in from. Since there are so many of them, it's kind of hard to tell these days.
Best Community back in early 2000. The EVE community is the joke of the gaming world now.
Richard Desturned wrote:Anslo wrote:If they catered to the masses and stopped pandering to you asshats they would probably be a much larger, more thriving, and more profitable company belting out a LOT of content, both PvP and PvE. They wouldn't have needed to fire anyone for the debacle earlier on with spreading to thin between Dust, WoD and letting EVE suffer. Hi us "asshats" had nothing to do with CCP's mistakes in trying to extend their reach
No you just chase away new blood and, in turn, new infusions of money. You are undesirables and should be treated as thus. |
Lexmana
662
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:37:00 -
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Anslo wrote:[quote=Tippia] Prove PvP has directly kept this game alive as opposed to altering the focus of the game to cater to masses who play games to relax. Playing a game to relax is fundamentally the purpose of a game, the original intent of its creation. More fun, more people. Simple. Don't you think there have been better ways to relax for the last decade than spreadsheets in space? Are you really arguing that EVE players are so inept they couldn't do better if all they wanted to do was relax?
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1644
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:38:00 -
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Anslo wrote:No you just chase away new blood and, in turn, new infusions of money. You are undesirables and should be treated as thus.
no, not really EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
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