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Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.07 18:39:00 -
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I usually just ignore tippia's posts. Its like arguing with a radio.
someone who dedicates that much of their life to video game forum posting can't be too in touch with reality or have very rational thoughts. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
1015
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Posted - 2012.08.07 18:41:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Denidil wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Anslo wrote:No. I suggest you leave. You and your kind are what make this game have such a low population of players; because you pew at anything that moves, even in a tiny newb ship. For this game to thrive, PvP changes like what's happening should occur. Deal with it. 350k subscribers is not a "low population" in any way, shape or form, hope this helps i'd like to see that be 700k, or 800k or more. that means CCP could hire more staff and speed of iteration would increase. if that means reducing (but not making suiciding) impossible then I'm fine with that. if that means making resource gathering more exciting i'm ok with that (also because that probably means the ships we pew pew with will cost less because new players entering the resource gathering professions). and if it means making gooniebabies cry.. then i'm DEFINITELY ok with it THIS. He gets it. Reign in the pvp and "HTFU" BS and bring in the masses. Slowly amp up pvp a little bit to get them used to it. More subscribers, more capital, a bigger game, more lore and story, more shiny ships, more bug fixes, more hiring, bigger company, better stuff, greater expansions. EVERYONE WINS. But as I said, PvP extremists are just stagnating the game to the point that "genetic diversity" in eve is so non-existent that it will make it an extinct relic of a failed game where it COULD have been the single greatest and largest MMO to date.
You ae basing all your crying on the argument that PVP is not what people want.
We all understand that you are afraid or have some other curious issues with combat, but all the other gamers actually like playing instead of ship spinning, and getting their subscriptions worth of experiences.
Oh and it's the oldest thriving and second largest MMO of all times, btw.
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Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.07 18:46:00 -
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Roime wrote: You ae basing all your crying on the argument that PVP is not what people want.
no, he isn't. Try to think rationally instead of jumping to extreme conclusions. So many stupid arguments like this coming from the crybabies. |
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.08.07 18:48:00 -
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That is quite enough of that. This thread has been cleaned multiple times with a request that you stay on topic and refrain from trolling, personal insults and flaming. If that is proving too difficult then I will just lock this thread.
While I understand that some subjects are sensitive and can bring out the passion in people, I would ask that you all think before you post, stay on topic and cease with the aforementioned behaviours. Good discussions can benefit us all, lets not ruin them please.
Personal insults, trolling and flame posts removed - ISD Type40. ISD Type40 Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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baltec1
Bat Country
1831
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Posted - 2012.08.07 18:48:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:I usually just ignore tippia's posts. *snip*
Tippia is the only one to present any evidence so far...
EDIT: Pardon the intrusion, just editing that quote - ISD Type40. |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
132
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Posted - 2012.08.07 18:57:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Malphilos wrote:Tippia wrote:We're talking about being alive, which is what the subscription numbers amply show. Yep, if one person held 500K subs and no one else played at all, the game would be even more alive and well than it is now by your standard. Well, alive at least. Which is why you deliberately restrict the discussion. EVE is growing while the new TOR MMO has bled 700k subs in less than 6 months. Which is heathier?
So you're saying that if one person bought 700k subs to TOR it'd be healthier (and thus we imply better) than EVE?
Or is this just the straw tangent?
I don't much care, my point is that standard is nonsense and it's being used that way for a reason.
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Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management Unified Church of the Unobligated
521
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Posted - 2012.08.07 19:20:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:I usually just ignore tippia's posts.
*snip*
EDIT: Flaming and personal attacks are not welcome here. Please familiarise yourself with the forum rules. Thank you - ISD Type40.
I managed to read your little rant before the ISD snipped it. I have to say, hypocrisy at it's finest there, you claim Tippia gives closed minded arguments yet it's just what you do, in fact you don't provide any argument, you just rant like a spoilt child. Every post of yours that I've seen has been the same rambling crap. Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management Unified Church of the Unobligated
521
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Posted - 2012.08.07 19:21:00 -
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Malphilos wrote:baltec1 wrote:Malphilos wrote:Tippia wrote:We're talking about being alive, which is what the subscription numbers amply show. Yep, if one person held 500K subs and no one else played at all, the game would be even more alive and well than it is now by your standard. Well, alive at least. Which is why you deliberately restrict the discussion. EVE is growing while the new TOR MMO has bled 700k subs in less than 6 months. Which is heathier? So you're saying that if one person bought 700k subs to TOR it'd be healthier (and thus we imply better) than EVE? Or is this just the straw tangent? I don't much care, my point is that standard is nonsense and it's being used that way for a reason.
Is that the same MMO that they're now calling TORtanic? Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |
baltec1
Bat Country
1833
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Posted - 2012.08.07 19:22:00 -
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Malphilos wrote: So you're saying that if one person bought 700k subs to TOR it'd be healthier (and thus we imply better) than EVE?
Or is this just the straw tangent?
I don't much care, my point is that standard is nonsense and it's being used that way for a reason.
Gonna have to say yes.
But a growing game is heathier than a shrinking one. Which means EVE is doing better than just about any of it rivals. |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2012.08.07 19:54:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Anslo wrote: 2) Please, point me to an article of scientific caliber stating that the majority of individual's don't play games to relax but to compete, get angry, and chest beat against other individuals.
There is this little known event currently going on on some little lsland called the Olympic games which falls into this area. The competitors in the Olympic Games represent only a small minority of the total who play sports, most of whom do so for pleasure and relaxation. |
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baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2012.08.07 19:58:00 -
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Oraac Ensor wrote:The competitors in the Olympic Games represent only a small minority of the total who play sports, most of whom do so for pleasure and relaxation.
Clearly you have never played rugby before. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1803
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Posted - 2012.08.07 20:16:00 -
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Tippia wrote:
No. We hit a peak in 2011, which was killed by Incursion, Incarna and a general lack of attention to the core (PvP) gameplay of the game. This decline was reversed at the mere hint of more core-gameplay focus in Crucible, and at the same time, the subscription numbers shot right up again.
Biased fallacity. Numbers tanked not (just) because of Incarna or lack PvP focus but because of repeated horrible PR down stunts like "greed is good", "fearless" and internal papers leaking out and exposing all sorts of bad news to EvE players.
I usually just skip replying your posts except when you are useful (read: making me sell lots of Macks in the barges thread) but this repeated lies of yours - just to bring water to your mill - are really annoying.
Said that, EvE will do fine both without extreme bears and extreme though guys. Expecially forum only though guys. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1803
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Posted - 2012.08.07 20:19:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:Lexmana wrote:Anslo wrote: >comparing vehicles priced at $20,000-$230,000 and games with monthly fees of $15.
And you say my logic is broken.
Idiot. no, hes right, it is a stupid comparison. EVE is actually the game bad mmo players eventually arrive at once they have have gotten **** on in other more skill demanding games. EVEs only real niche, if you can even call it that, is spaceships. If you like spaceships, then eve is a good mmo to play. Anyone crying about the game being dumbed down for bad players makes the statement in irony. The game is already designed for bad players. If you want a truly skill-based mmorpg with full loot, no safety zones, territorial control and clan warfare, you play Darkfall.
As PvP games player (from MUDs to Darkfall) I kinda agree with you. Only difference is that EvE shines on the "macro" PvP (while sucking very hard at fighting skills), most of the other games don't cater to long term strategy and focus on fighting skills. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Nikolai Dostoyevski
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.08.07 20:29:00 -
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I never knew that making it more challenging to gate camp noobs in low-sec was the death of Eve! Now I know and can plan for the Apocalypse accordingly.
I fail to see how any of these changes make PVP less rewarding. In fact, they should deter people from gate camping and suicide ganking miners and get them into some meaningful, or at least more engaging, PVP. Hell, you might as well mine if you just want to shoot at things that don't shoot back. |
Lexmana
663
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Posted - 2012.08.07 20:33:00 -
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Nikolai Dostoyevski wrote:I never knew that making it more challenging to gate camp noobs in low-sec was the death of Eve! Now I know and can plan for the Apocalypse accordingly.
I fail to see how any of these changes make PVP less rewarding. In fact, they should deter people from gate camping and suicide ganking miners and get them into some meaningful, or at least more engaging, PVP. Hell, you might as well mine if you just want to shoot at things that don't shoot back. I understand you. It is just because you don't understand the game. But give it some time and you might figure it out. |
Nikolai Dostoyevski
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.08.07 20:38:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:Nikolai Dostoyevski wrote:I never knew that making it more challenging to gate camp noobs in low-sec was the death of Eve! Now I know and can plan for the Apocalypse accordingly.
I fail to see how any of these changes make PVP less rewarding. In fact, they should deter people from gate camping and suicide ganking miners and get them into some meaningful, or at least more engaging, PVP. Hell, you might as well mine if you just want to shoot at things that don't shoot back. I understand you. It is just because you don't understand the game. But give it some time and you might figure it out.
Ah yes. More condescension from the self-entitled elitists. It feeds my soul. |
baltec1
Bat Country
1836
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Posted - 2012.08.07 20:38:00 -
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Nikolai Dostoyevski wrote:I never knew that making it more challenging to gate camp noobs in low-sec was the death of Eve! Now I know and can plan for the Apocalypse accordingly.
I fail to see how any of these changes make PVP less rewarding. In fact, they should deter people from gate camping and suicide ganking miners and get them into some meaningful, or at least more engaging, PVP. Hell, you might as well mine if you just want to shoot at things that don't shoot back.
If the changes to gate guns went through it would infact be easyer to camp a gate and harder to get them off it. |
Jim Era
The Syndicate Inc En Garde
155
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Posted - 2012.08.07 20:42:00 -
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Nikolai Dostoyevski wrote:
Ignorance
I think he was actually leveling out with you. Currently you and I are too new to understand the exact impact a change such as this could have, (even if it may be none we still cannot predict that) but some are clearly over-reacting. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8932
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Posted - 2012.08.07 20:46:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Biased fallacity. Numbers tanked not (just) because of Incarna or lack PvP focus but because of repeated horrible PR down stunts like "greed is good", "fearless" and internal papers leaking out and exposing all sorts of bad news to EvE players. GǪexcept that I'm actually pointing to a much earlier event that set off the initial decrease in numbers. Yes, Incarna most certainly let the full avalanche loose and had the opposite effect of what you'd expect from a summer expansion, but the decrease we're talking about after the 2011 peak has different origins.
In fact, even the Incarna outrage itself was just caused by Incarna and the various snafus surrounding its new MT strategy GÇö those were just he culmination of a series of deeply bungled ideas coming out of the Reykjav+¡k offices.
Quote:this repeated lies of yours - just to bring water to your mill - are really annoying. Good thing, then, that i's nothing of the kind, but rather you assuming and expecting that I'm saying something that I'm not saying. So you're barking up the wrong tree here.
Virgil Travis wrote:Nothing like a game of rugby to help you relax... That entirely depends on the amount of sick leave you get out of it and what kind of drugs the hospital is willing to part withGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Lexmana
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Posted - 2012.08.07 20:48:00 -
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Nikolai Dostoyevski wrote:Lexmana wrote:Nikolai Dostoyevski wrote:I never knew that making it more challenging to gate camp noobs in low-sec was the death of Eve! Now I know and can plan for the Apocalypse accordingly.
I fail to see how any of these changes make PVP less rewarding. In fact, they should deter people from gate camping and suicide ganking miners and get them into some meaningful, or at least more engaging, PVP. Hell, you might as well mine if you just want to shoot at things that don't shoot back. I understand you. It is just because you don't understand the game. But give it some time and you might figure it out. Ah yes. More condescension from the self-entitled elitists. It feeds my soul. I am sorry but it gets a bit annoying after a while. I know you have read some of the comments explaining it from numerous players on the forum. But you still don't seem to get it. I can only assume it is because you don't understand the game or that you don't want to understand the game but likes to troll the forums with your deep insights on how EVE should be "fixed".
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Jimmy Gunsmythe
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
113
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Posted - 2012.08.07 20:51:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:I usually just ignore tippia's posts.
You would do well to pay attention to Tippia. Yes, he is aggravating sometimes and I don't always see eye to eye on the more abstract concepts, but when it comes to Eve mechanics and whatnot, he's usually right. Show some respect. You might learn something. A good predator knows how to live in balance with his prey, lest he follow them into oblivion. |
Bommel McMurdoc
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
13
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Posted - 2012.08.07 21:07:00 -
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(skimmed through all the pages, actually read page 1 then jumped to last)
8 years this guy has been playing, i'm impressed, genuinely. However, I really don't think it's the pvp that's bothering him. I think it's the constant changes that have happened over the years and the constant adjustments one has to make after all the changes. It can wear a person down faster than trying to read Dostoyevsky's "crime and punishment."
But everyone has to understand, as big as EvE is (EvE universe wide) and as complex as EvE is, there is so much to do.
You wanna conquer space, head to null and conquer what you can but you can't do it alone.
Want to be a tycoon? Manufacture things and sell them. Play the market, buy and sell.
Want to be a combat pilot for a corporation? learn how to fly ships that you can use for missions. Want to be a "bike messenger?" run courier missions for a distribution corp. Want to praise the same gods as the Blood Raiders, go to null and run their missions. blah blah blah.....
Want to explore space? learn how to scan and travel out into space and explore!
Want to be a "bad boy?" Then go and figure out your ways around the cops and evading the law. Want to ransom a hull for iskies, go to low/null sec and trap a miner and say "pay or else."
Each and every single thing you do in the game requires a certain amount of respect for the other things that are happening. Wanna mine? respect that there are pvp'ers or else you lose your lovely mining barge, meaning fit tank mods on that fricken hulk and learn how to scan! Want the complex another explorer is working on? well, then you better fight him/her for it..... or not. Want to make oodles of iskies, respect the market and research it via spreadsheets and study the statistics.
EvE is about survival and conquest... nothing more. Disrespect it or Abuse it and it will turn on you. |
Khergit Deserters
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.07 21:44:00 -
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OP, what specific changes do you suggest? (Not having been around when PVP was considered better, I have nothing to compare with). |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
389
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Posted - 2012.08.07 22:00:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Anslo wrote:Like I said before, get over it. If I want to explore low sec with probes, go into wormholes, engage in industry or trade in lowsec, or even rat or do missions to relax, I shouldn't have to deal with griefers all the time. I play this science fiction game for FUN, not life. "I want to go into the explicitly dangerous areas and not be shot because Sandbox" Dangerous because NPCs? Sure. Dangerous because a gang of 12 neck bears who can't make is in nul and enjoy ruining other people's days because they get stepped on in the real-world while serving fries to others to make their monthly troll-game payments? No. Get out.
Sorry, but I just do not agree with your sentiments.
I am entitled to do whatever I wish to enjoy my Eve experience.
However, other players are perfectly entitled to gank me, scam me, ransom me etc, no matter what I may be doing at the time.
If the right to gank me whenever I leave a station is removed, then we are no longer playing Eve Online, but a pretty, space theme park game. You want fries with that? |
Attica
Social Destortion
12
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Posted - 2012.08.07 22:59:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Anslo wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Anslo wrote:Like I said before, get over it. If I want to explore low sec with probes, go into wormholes, engage in industry or trade in lowsec, or even rat or do missions to relax, I shouldn't have to deal with griefers all the time. I play this science fiction game for FUN, not life. "I want to go into the explicitly dangerous areas and not be shot because Sandbox" Dangerous because NPCs? Sure. Dangerous because a gang of 12 neck bears who can't make is in nul and enjoy ruining other people's days because they get stepped on in the real-world while serving fries to others to make their monthly troll-game payments? No. Get out. Sorry, but I just do not agree with your sentiments. I am entitled to do whatever I wish to enjoy my Eve experience. However, other players are perfectly entitled to gank me, scam me, ransom me etc, no matter what I may be doing at the time. If the right to gank me whenever I leave a station is removed, then we are no longer playing Eve Online, but a pretty, space theme park game.
I agree with your post 100%. Players have the right to do as they wish. I think making .8+ truly safe will solve the problem. Mining will still have to go on in lower systems for the other mineral req's. Of course the gankers wont like this but there will still be plenty of ganking oportunities. Too many rose colored glasses being worn by way too many, gankers and pve-only players alike. To each their own. Pirate tears are yummier than carebear tears for they come from the deeper well of anguish. |
Rented
Hunter Heavy Industries
21
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:08:00 -
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I find it strange such standard generalized whine with no perceivable aim or constructive purpose other than 'stuff used to be better somehow' can generate so many pages of debate. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
452
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Posted - 2012.08.08 00:11:00 -
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Attica wrote:I agree with your post 100%. Players have the right to do as they wish. I think making .8+ truly safe will solve the problem. Mining will still have to go on in lower systems for the other mineral req's. Of course the gankers wont like this but there will still be plenty of ganking oportunities. Too many rose colored glasses being worn by way too many, gankers and pve-only players alike. To each their own. Sorry to say but I think making 0.8+ truly safe is a sucky idea. Miners for instance now have the ability to have a kick arse tank, mining ship at the cost of some yield. If they choose not to fly it and get blown up for their greed well that is just risk vs. reward. Newbies should have protection if they want it, the rest of us should just have to live with our choices.
I like the fact that if someone in Hi-sec has pissed me off I have the ability to try to make them suffer for being an arsehat. I should not profit from the venture unless they are stupid enough to fix billions in mods on the ship but I should be able to do it. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
132
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Posted - 2012.08.08 00:11:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Malphilos wrote: So you're saying that if one person bought 700k subs to TOR it'd be healthier (and thus we imply better) than EVE?
Or is this just the straw tangent?
I don't much care, my point is that standard is nonsense and it's being used that way for a reason.
Gonna have to say yes. But a growing game is heathier than a shrinking one. Which means EVE is doing better than just about any of it rivals.
I recognize you have to say that, I just thought you might recognize it's silly.
MMO.
And you think one person with thousands of accounts is "healthier".
It's silly beyond reason.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1803
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Posted - 2012.08.08 00:36:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪexcept that I'm actually pointing to a much earlier event that set off the initial decrease in numbers.
Which matters with your "PVE expansions = drop in playerbase" how?
Don't forget that I and Akita T even predicted the playerbase drop months before it happened and I even created a chart showing the playerbase trend in the (back then) future.
So try detailing your findings better. Because you only and always talk your very narrow opinion using 10001 rethorical artifices to make it look like iron proof. But you try too hard, it shows too much, it's also what makes you so predictable and exploitable for market manipulations.
Because Incarna was not a "PvE" expansion (many hoped to use have station fights, just saying). Your claims are - as I said above - well packaged lies to prove a point you keep repeating every time the topic comes up: "EvE tanked at PvE expansions and shines at PvP expansions".
Guess what, the avalanche starter, the origin of all the discontent was actually that disaster called "Dominion" that actually was dedicated to null sec sov revamping, hardly a PvE expansion.
Incursions is the only real PvE expansion. Even Tyrannis tanked not because it was PvE oriented but because it totally enraged the players. They were promised:
- Something cool like a strategy game, a la "Risk". - Something with fights between competing colonies, it was hinted at being the future Dust 514 battlefield.
... and all that we got were some dumb circlets and yet another carpal tunnel inducing click fest.
Add the POS materials fiasco that ruined the back then new PI materials, the utter and complete lack of quality, the lack of any kind of finishing the current expansion before promising "NEW AWESOME" for the next.
And the final the nail in the coffing: their intention to monetize 3rd party websites and free software. Which in few weeks made MANY established applications / website coders to quit in disgust, including me.
That, and NOT the "PvE" or "PvP" flavour is what made EvE lose so many players.
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Mors Sanctitatis
Death of Virtue
810
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Posted - 2012.08.08 00:40:00 -
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OmniBeton wrote:Mors Sanctitatis wrote:if you get a fight it's because either A) the other side wanted to fight, I'm quite sure what you meant was "Other side is prepared to fight". Yep, fighting someone who is willing and prepared is a pain in the butt. You may, like, loose or something.
No, I'm quite sure you're completely misunderstanding me and/or just interpreting what I'm saying as you see fit.
A smaller group can be prepared to fight and not want to fight because they encounter a larger group. So basically, you're wrong. What I'm saying is, there is little opportunity to engage an enemy, unless said enemy allows it to happen.
So let's not turn this into a "you only want to gank innocent victims" thread.
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