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Abeer
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Posted - 2010.10.09 09:34:00 -
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after a break of 3 month (im a militia pilot) as i came back nearly everyone is flying an alt as a scout or logistic or fleet bonus. its really annoying because frigg and also cruiser fleets died in our faction warfare. everyone is flying araound with battlecruisers and the alts who are repping or boosting the ships. the is no reason any more to tell hey im jumping in a logi or im playing the scout, because there are enought alts around who do that. that makes the game really stupid. at least if you are rich, just buy you 10 alts and fly your own fleet with everything you need. i would say these 40`000 user online are at least not more then 30`000 and the rest are alts.
i dont really know how you can do something against that alt spam, but it isnt fair that one person can fly multible charakters at the same time even from the same computer if you can run eve more times on it (depends on the power of your computer)
and im saying that because my fraction side is doing that. it makes me sick.
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.10.09 10:17:00 -
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People using alts is new? Since I started playing it has been repeated over and over use an alt (if you have it) to scout/etc.
I personally haven't tried 10 accounts at once but I doubt it would go over well against actual people of similar size, against one or two people sure the 10 accounts piloted by one person would probably do pretty well. You also don't need to be rich to run 2 accounts or own a system that can let you play like that.
It is pretty easy to run an alt and make use of them, being that it is so helpful in any number of situations, even more so since you can't trust people you don't know. Actually it absolutely is fair that someone can run several accounts at once from the same computer or even if they used several different computers as they pay for them.
The only issue here that is 'broken' is the neutral repping and wherein an alt can make it into the FW area and not get killed as a spy/hapless fool who wandered on the battlefield, well that and your own problems with how the game has been since it began.
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Guilliman R
Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.10.09 10:59:00 -
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Alt account(s) are practically mandatory. I myself have 2 alt accounts. Granted my alt accounts earn enough to sustain all three of them + my pvp ships.
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Prince Spiderman
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Posted - 2010.10.09 11:21:00 -
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Since when was EVE fair?
A 60m SP char in a BC kills a noob in a PvE BS. Is that fair? A HAC kills a Cruiser. Is that fair? A camp kills a hauler. Is that fair? A dual boxer kills a small camp with ECM. Is that fair?
Yes it's fair because that's EVE.
There are a lot of situations in PvP where can't do anything against it because that the nature of a game where a lot of player have one goal: to win, to be (one of) the best. To be a part of a team. To win the war. To conquer space. To collect killmails.
It's mainly about what you can afford. The game's concept is to have better skills for better ships for more success, to earn more ISK, eventually to get rich, richer, the richest if you do it right and clever. Finally: the more player enter the game the more unfair and complex PvP will be. You will face bigger fleets, older player fly faction fitted ships because they have some alts earning ISK, a lot of player decide to use a cloak scout for advanced tactics and boosting the chance to survive or to kill. There's nothing wrong with it.
IMO you can control 2-3 chars depending on your hardware setup. When you dual box on one machine, with one monitor and with overlapping windows the chance to win by tactics and dual power is higher but also the risk to lose two ships. Triple boxing makes it not easier to win. In combat situations you have to decide within seconds what to do next. Switching between three accounts will delay action and just boost the risk to lose control over the whole situation.
In 2006 I never could imagine that I will one day fly two ships and have another sub-alt for hauling stuff from Jita. With higher skills and the right corp I made billions of ISK and can afford expensive setups anytime. It took a few years and I just see it as a reward for my patience and experience.
Tbh, when you fly a lot solo in 2010 it's just clever to use an recon alt instead of whining how unfair and broken PvP in EVE is. In RL you have to do the same. You can't win solo all the time. You need people on your side or just better skills. And dual/triple boxing, using alts for ISK making etc. is one way to build up your own team.
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Abeer
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Posted - 2010.10.09 12:16:00 -
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its not to be fair in the fight, its not fair to numbers.. lets say there are 100 ppl online in militia, the one with more alts will win the fight, the battle, the war and take one system after the other. because if you can invite 5ppl to a fleet but get together 10ships, the fraction with less ships loose, but even if they have more players without alts.
i dont like this kind of playing, just to bring more alts to win a fight at least.
sure if a bs kills a noob bc thats not fair but how it came to this situation, the noob didnt scan, the noob didnt burn away and so on. thats not fair but thats eve i totally agree, but alts are far away from such situations. limit logons on ip or allow only one bank accout to pay one charakter. what ever. if you then outmass another fleet, there will be more play you get together and this why you getting into a positiv situation, not only because one fleet had more alts..
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helmut cheddar
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Posted - 2010.10.15 06:39:00 -
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Edited by: helmut cheddar on 15/10/2010 06:41:42
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Portmanteau
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.10.15 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: Abeer after a break of 3 month (im a militia pilot) as i came back nearly everyone is flying an alt as a scout or logistic or fleet bonus. its really annoying because frigg and also cruiser fleets died in our faction warfare. everyone is flying araound with battlecruisers and the alts who are repping or boosting the ships. the is no reason any more to tell hey im jumping in a logi or im playing the scout, because there are enought alts around who do that. that makes the game really stupid. at least if you are rich, just buy you 10 alts and fly your own fleet with everything you need. i would say these 40`000 user online are at least not more then 30`000 and the rest are alts.
i dont really know how you can do something against that alt spam, but it isnt fair that one person can fly multible charakters at the same time even from the same computer if you can run eve more times on it (depends on the power of your computer)
and im saying that because my fraction side is doing that. it makes me sick.
I'll use a scout often, but that has mainly come around because of the many limp wristed alt based tactics used by ur militia recently, such as Recil's RR / seboing domi and sebo'd/scan res rigged drake combo he uses for catching FRIGS at ezz/arzad gate ] and other nonsense. Other day I engaged an enyo outside of station in a tristan, turns out he's using an RR domi for his "leet solo frig pvpee". The ironic thing is he had the nerve, a couple of hours previously, to criticise the fact I had a travel fit on my Brutix and couldn't fight.
I'm not averse to the use of alts, but then I'd personally use them so I can get "even" fights, 1v1s etc or so I can avoid the ****heads who use them to "OMFG I just pwnt that punisher with my drak/domi lolz"
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Romulus Activus
Amarr Tokos Securities M E T H O D
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Posted - 2010.10.15 06:42:00 -
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CCP makes money off of alts. Alts probly account for 30-40% of thier income. They would never do anything that would threaten thier income from those accounts.
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Susung
Alt Anti-defamation League
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Posted - 2010.10.15 20:15:00 -
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Plague
Boon I say
Evolution. adapt or wither.
WE are here to STAY.
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Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
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Posted - 2010.10.15 22:27:00 -
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No way to stop it. If they program the software so you can't run two clients on the same computer, then people will just run two computers under the same desk. People want alts. They will have alts.
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Zilberfrid
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Posted - 2010.10.16 10:50:00 -
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I would run my alt, even if I'd have my other dsl line to obtain an other IP. ------------------------------------- I like to fly around and shoot stuff.
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Torothanax
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Posted - 2010.10.16 11:10:00 -
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It's a sad comment on society when everyone has to cheat to feel good about themselves. No one can just play just for fun, or by the rules anymore. Granted CCP has some really stupid rules...
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LiBraga
Fortis Bellator's
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Posted - 2010.10.17 11:29:00 -
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Really... it's the norm people to have 1 alt ? I thought the average was 3 accounts per player now days.
I know a lot of people who have 4 or 5 accounts, and I thought I was slacking with 3.
HINT :- Become self sufficient at making isk or make more r/l money. That way you can get an additional account. I believe the Power of Two is back soon so you'll be able to save money on that if you like. --------------- What! Caldari have dps now... noooo Aye, T2 HAMs FTW!!!!! |
KaiserSoze434
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Posted - 2010.10.17 12:08:00 -
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This entire concept of an alt is cheating or unfair is ridiculous. For one thing its an intentional part of the game. If you need to look up "cheating" in a dictionary to figure out that you have to be BREAKING THE RULES to be cheating there's probably no hope for you. I'll agree that neutral RR is a pretty lame tactic, but its within the current rules until they change it.
This doesn't even pass the "not believable" test. Do you think for a second that if I were conducting a guerilla campaign (what you are doing in a militia) I wouldn't use neutral noncombatants to take a little peek at what the enemy is up to? If I could get them to provide logistical support why wouldn't I? "Aghast the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." |
Sakura Shiro
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Posted - 2010.10.17 23:05:00 -
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Edited by: Sakura Shiro on 17/10/2010 23:07:20 with stuff like power of 2, thinking ccp gladly supports dual boxing lol. Its a gamble they make, can you pay for several accounts? If so they don't make money off of you as you plex. IF not...you paying for an account or 2 and the plex you buy monthly don't get bought that month. If no one else picks it up....2 for one special. Plex bought but not used...and your army of toons shows up in the credit card lol.
Have done this myself. Got tired of BS's laying around wiating for someone to become available to scout or waiting when no one would answer requests for intel after minutes have passed. Brought out an alt to null sec, took care of my own stuff as needed. Already had leadership to fleet boost, some repping love to keep the ratting operation runnning smoothly with drone skills to add some dps. then probing to find good stuff. Left the main to learn combat stuff. Nice division of labor.
Eve is too diverse to do everything on 1 char, ccp knows this. They allow dual boxing to maximize a players time. Game is a pita otherwise if you go beyond basic stuff. Be hard to take this away. mainly because its the only way to train more than 1 char at once. Guy wants to have a station spinning leech alt, their choice. Guy wnats to use that alt for some useful while they train up for some goal they have in mind...that too is a player choice. Actuallyis the smartedr choice cause the first couple months....alts are bad isk and time sinks. If all they can do is keep your expensive ships from dying in bubbles by finding them the hard way in suicide t1 rides...least they are doing something useful lol.
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Torothanax
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Posted - 2010.10.27 00:34:00 -
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Dual boxing was never intended. They just can't do anything about it, and it makes them more money, so they went with it.
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Mr LaForge
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Posted - 2010.10.27 02:11:00 -
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We are fine as I am.
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pushbyte ii
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.10.28 23:59:00 -
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Yes, CCP should take all the alt accounts and ban them. That way they can make less money, **** off over 2/3 of their player base and eventually go out of business. Then the alt problem will be permanently fixed. Great idea!!
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pushbyte ii
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.10.29 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Shiro
... can you pay for several accounts? If so they don't make money off of you as you plex.
Oh, I was under the impression that all PLEX came from CCP ultimately, thus meaning that even people that PLEX their account gave CCP money in a round about way. Maybe I'm wrong.
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Sakura Shiro
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Posted - 2010.10.29 02:04:00 -
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Originally by: pushbyte ii
Originally by: Sakura Shiro
... can you pay for several accounts? If so they don't make money off of you as you plex.
Oh, I was under the impression that all PLEX came from CCP ultimately, thus meaning that even people that PLEX their account gave CCP money in a round about way. Maybe I'm wrong.
plex not bought is moar profit.
1000 plex made in a month. If all of eve buys up all 1000, CCP only breaks even. 1000 people sold plex, 1000 people played for free, $0.00 profit. If only 900 sell the entire month of October and ccp keeps 1000 active subs at least, that is 100 accounts that paid to play. Plus the 1500 not used with the left over plex for the month. $1500 profit.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2010.10.29 07:58:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 29/10/2010 08:01:33 Rather then just saying "alts are a plague" point out exactly where the problems are. There is no need to get rid of alts when the individual problems can be tackled, too.
For instance, I find the use of cyno alts annoying. It should just be easier for ships with a jump drive to make jumps.
Fleet bonuses is another annoyance. Perhaps let fleet bonuses apply for the single players, too. If these skills have been trained then one should be able to apply them regardless of fleet size.
War-dec alts is a third annoyance (alts of the same account). Players should not be able to declare war with an alt and then continue playing with their main of the same account, who may be sitting in an NPC corporation, and for weeks and months. It should require, maybe in the Yulai conventions, that a war ends when a capsuleer's body has been inactive for too long.
Also, I generally avoid players who play with multiple accounts simultaneously. They are slower than others and always make excuses for having to switch around. Sometimes they make it sound like it was a big job - a heavy burden - when really they just rant a lot. Makes playing EVE with them not much fun. --
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Tarasina
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Posted - 2010.10.29 13:49:00 -
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Edited by: Tarasina on 29/10/2010 13:51:40
Originally by: Romulus Activus CCP makes money off of alts. Alts probly account for 30-40% of thier income. They would never do anything that would threaten thier income from those accounts.
On average, people have approx 2.3 or 2.6 accounts so it's more than 100% extra income from alts.
I have 2 accounts, just because Eve is so slow, I need some action.
Sleepers on one account and lvl3s or lv4s on the other at the same time = my pace.
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Iboku Kaeane
Amarr Royal House of Kaeane
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Posted - 2010.10.30 15:10:00 -
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I personally have 3 accounts (only one running atm)), though i will only actively use one for PvP at any time (exception: the all infamous cyno alt.)
so what DO i sue my alts for: income, salvage alt, to reduce the amount of time i need to burn so i can keep losing ships to people far more experienced with eve PvP than myself ----------------------------------------------
Grant me the serenity to accept what i cannot change, The courage to change what i cannot accept, And the wisdom to hide the bodies of those people |
Infested Stukov
Minmatar Death Express War and Pestilence
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Posted - 2010.10.31 16:33:00 -
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I have an alt but I only use it to fund my craptastic solopwnmobiles. - Infested Stukov |
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