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Johnny Ringo
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.09.19 17:32:00 -
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Optimism is well defined as the triumph of hope over experience.
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Lecherito
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Posted - 2010.09.19 17:38:00 -
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Rofl,
Just logged into my ebank account for the first time in over a year. If memory serves, I left a hundred thousand ISK there for giggles. I'm hoping it's a consequence of my supreme sleep deprivation, but do you truly prevent people from seeing their account balance until *after* they have "verified" their information?? Am I the only one to think that delves into a new existence of unacceptability?
-L
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Lecherito
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Posted - 2010.09.19 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Lecherito on 19/09/2010 17:42:46 Edited by: Lecherito on 19/09/2010 17:41:37
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Johnny Ringo <waiting expectantly for the promised announcement...>
Clearly you don't know how this works. I make an empty promise and set an unrealistic timeframe, you get your hopes up and I then dash them by not fulfilling any of my promises.
Let's skip straight to the part where I ask how you're not yet conditioned to this behavioural pattern?
Stop messaging me to ask questions, I don't give a stuff about your personal circumstances. Authenticate your account and await further instructions like the rest of the lemmings, k? Any messages sent to me regarding lolbank are being ignored, stop thinking that you're special and deserve a personal response.
Ray, you are straight minge. Can we please, as a body deserving far better than what this supreme douche gives us, finally declare Ebank the longest/largest scam in the history of EvE, and be done with it?
-L
*edited for another lovely quotation*
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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.09.19 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lecherito Ray, you are straight minge.
Why are you so mean to me, L? Where's the love, bruv?
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Lienzo
Minmatar Amanuensis
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:31:00 -
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Edited by: Lienzo on 20/09/2010 23:32:00 Howdy.
When I tried registering limited API through bleep, I got an error message that says it requires all the characters on an account to reregister. Why do you want this? Bleep keys only last a week by default anyway. Character names don't expire, nor does information for OOG services travel with traded characters.
That certainly wasn't in the TOS first issued to EBank customers the first go round.
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Yendor Widdershins
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2010.09.21 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: Yendor Widdershins
Originally by: Ray McCormack A subsequent announcement will be made on the 19th of Septemeber.
Any one starting a pool on when the actual announcement will be? I'll take October 22nd for the "We're almost ready to make an announcement" announcement.
Kudos for making the post on time
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1386720
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Trebor Whettam
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Posted - 2010.09.21 01:37:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
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Selective scamming is still theft. It doesn't matter if Ray won't keep the money for himself - at best he is stealing from customers out of misguided good intentions (but since he has never actually articulated why he thinks stealing from customers is ncessary or justifiable its hard to give him too much credit for good intentions).
I don't get your point. I am not defending their actions, just explaining why they do them and how doing different would probably end up without stealing BUT with an even worse evil, complete loss for everyone. I am an external observer, don't try to put me along with them, not for a single instant.
This is live realpolitique in action, Ray can be labelled as you prefer but he is doing what he's been hired for and if there's anyone able to pull this stunt it's him. That's all what I felt like to say.
I don't need to repeat my own opinion about the whole mess in every EBANK thread, I hope.
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At worst he is stealing from customers in order to burnish the very reputation that you are now complimenting him on.
He's dutifully doing an activity none else would take.
I am sort of emphatizing with him here, because despite their operation is vastly NOT what I'd have done and he's not going to be my next fiancee at all doing like that, he's still sharing a sh!t job like me, where at best you are considered useless, at worse a rep monger. He'll be spent and damned regardless of any outcome, regardless of any choice. He chose to be involved though.
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what matters is that a lot of people seem to have an ethical blindspot that allows them to excuse such actions WHEN it is done by the right people
There's no blindspot, there's an easy consideration:
- Have them honestly declare how after Ricdic's scam and the known other issues, they declare default, close down and every single despositor loses 80%+ of his money (assuming 20% remains to share).
- Have them make a bad face and get the depositors able to take out more than the 20% they'd otherwise would be able to take.
We are before a rightful approach that will lead to ruin or a pragmatic approach that will save something for someone.
Life is a b!tch, they felt that hard choices are made (read again: T H E Y felt). I won't share their minset nor their ideas but I can see why they are choosing to do the latter. And yes, not for a single instant I believe it's done out of pure honest desire to help the depositors but to restore the Big Institution with all what it means.
Agreed. For the life of me, I can't figure out why Ray decided to get involved in this mess. Many here seem to have forgotten (or never known) that Ray was very critical of E-bank prior to the collapse. Maybe some people need to read [url=http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=986711]this thread[/url].
Obviously people can be free to disagree with the things that Ray says and does, but to call him a scammer is totally off-base. He didn't cause the problem; he warned against it. He was hired on to help fix the mess after the fact.
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Lygos
Amarr Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.09.21 02:52:00 -
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There's only one thing I have ever really wanted to see from banks, and that is a tie in to OOG sales and accounting management. The obvious profit angle in that margin credit lending.
Personally, I wouldn't mind having millions or billions tied up as electronic internet spacebucks at a bank that only had a tiny fraction of the isk reserve on hand. If we had many banks, then risk would be even more distributed.
But a bank is useless without a reason for that bank. Adding just a tiny bit of sugar to the pot in the form of interest bearing accounts shows just how starving this community is for player-led development. What I would love to see are OOG malls for both goods and services, while still recognizing that all in-game bits are property of CCP of course. One step further than that are accounting tools that CCP is disinterested in providing. For example, scheduled and repeating payments tools. Example: payroll. This applies equally well to combat pilots as it does to renters.
I care less about ever seeing the money I put into a bank than I do about having a good time. Ideally, moving into credit markets, I should never even need to be interested in withdrawals if I remain diversified. Just dump some cash with a space teller bot, and then go to Nagamazon who have partnered with one or more banks.
Then again, I may not understand the contemporary CCP like I understood the one that used to inspire me eight years ago. That's fine though.
Hope Ricdic's kid is OK. RL > internet space kredits. --- Articio > Well, at least I don't have to grind back security status.
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