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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.05 18:24:00 -
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I want to make a passive tank for level 4's while some corpies catch up on sp, then WH duty. Looks like the tengu is a billion isk drake. For all intents and purposes the tengu looks like it gets better DPS than the loki however. I have a lot of SP in drones and would like to have them as part of the picture.
Which is the better ship for level 4's then WH's/plexes (in a small fleet)? I can use 1-2 warfare links on the alt. Thanks in advance. This is clearly a signature. |
Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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Posted - 2010.07.05 18:44:00 -
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Edited by: Stick Cult on 05/07/2010 18:46:00 As far as missioning (edit: wormholes too) goes, you want as much DPS as possible, and the Tengu fits I've seen out damage the Lokis by a lot. Both are good ships, and the Tengu doesn't use drones. For warfare links, I think the Loki gets better bonuses to those than the Tengu.
As far as being a billion isk drake, not really. Sure, you could passive tank it, but most of the people I know active tank it (either a faction/tech 2 large booster or a pith medium booster) and it works great.
edit: In wormholes obviously you need a lot more tank, and if you're fleet is doing a local tank thing, both will probably tank pretty similarly, if you're doing spider tanking, they both do shields, so they're basicly interchangeable.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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XXSketchxx
Gallente Remote Soviet Industries Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.07.05 18:49:00 -
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T2 fit tengu for lvl 4s is like 4-500 mil. There is no need to pimp it for missions.
You can even get away with a T2 fit in C2 and some C3 wormhole sites.
Tengu is anything but a "billion isk drake."
As for which to use, I prefer the tengu, but if you are gang boosting, a loki with the warfare link to reduce signature radius could be pretty hand in wormholes.
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Madmi CEO
Mad Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.05 19:05:00 -
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Both have a hefty active tank, and both will do decent damage (but yes, the Tengu does do more damage than the Loki).
The main difference is the fact that in the Loki, you have to chase down your enemies, whereas in the Tengu you can stay put and throw volley after volley of heavy missiles after your enemies. Also, Sleepers will eat up your drones, making the Loki lose even more damage.
That said, both are really good ships. And as for your loads of SP in drones - don't worry, the Loki only fields 5x light drones anyway, so it's not like your months worth of training Ogre II's and Sentries will do you any good anyway.
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Dragons Talon
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Posted - 2010.07.05 19:17:00 -
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Odd..my tengu has 6 launchers and room for 10 light drones.....and while its over priced on add-ons it took out EA 5 without breaking a sweat.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.05 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dragons Talon Odd..my tengu has 6 launchers and room for 10 light drones.....and while its over priced on add-ons it took out EA 5 without breaking a sweat.
I'd love to have a peek at that build please. The whole thing would be even better. This is clearly a signature. |
Dragons Talon
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Posted - 2010.07.05 19:43:00 -
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"Tengu"
HIGH: Heavy Missile Launcher II X 6 Core Probe Launcher I
MED: Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster Gist X-Type Photon Scattering Field Pith B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Pith X-Type Heat Dissipation Field Domination 10MN Afterburner
LOWS: Damage Control II Expanded Cargohold II Power Diagnostic System II
Drone bay Hobgoblin II
rigs: Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Tengu Offensive - Rifling Launcher Pattern Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Forgive the cargo expander...I was moving things and forgot to take it off
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Madmi CEO
Mad Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.05 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Dragons Talon Forgive the cargo expander...I was moving things and forgot to take it off
Don't worry about asking forgiveness for the cargo expander... you have no damage mods on!!! And with those modules in your med slots, what's the Damage Control for? Or the PDS?
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Dragons Talon
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Posted - 2010.07.05 19:59:00 -
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Edited by: Dragons Talon on 05/07/2010 20:02:52 I believe I had a bcu on it....which one I have no idea as Ive been back 5 days from a 3 month leave..I can use a BCU II but I think I remember a faction one....really need to look in the junk can.
And as I'm in a mastodon atm I can't be sure.
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Cosmic Rainbow
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Posted - 2010.07.05 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Madmi CEO
Originally by: Dragons Talon Forgive the cargo expander...I was moving things and forgot to take it off
Don't worry about asking forgiveness for the cargo expander... you have no damage mods on!!! And with those modules in your med slots, what's the Damage Control for? Or the PDS?
Im not sure I see the problem with the DCUII.
Here's a Q for the crowd though - if you could pick from Evasive Manouvering warfare link or the shield harmonization warfare link - which would you choose?
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.05 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Cosmic Rainbow
Originally by: Madmi CEO
Originally by: Dragons Talon Forgive the cargo expander...I was moving things and forgot to take it off
Don't worry about asking forgiveness for the cargo expander... you have no damage mods on!!! And with those modules in your med slots, what's the Damage Control for? Or the PDS?
Im not sure I see the problem with the DCUII.
Here's a Q for the crowd though - if you could pick from Evasive Manouvering warfare link or the shield harmonization warfare link - which would you choose?
In hisec I'll be based out of an orca, so I wont have to choose. Haven't figured out the WH fleet yet. This is clearly a signature. |
Ceti Lomax
Minmatar Encina Technologies Namtz' aar K'in
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Posted - 2010.07.05 20:22:00 -
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A Tengu with a passive tank and drones is sometimes refered to as a "Nighthawk"
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Cosmic Rainbow
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Posted - 2010.07.05 20:30:00 -
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I tried a passive tanked Tengu for C4 wormholes ("solo" which is me with 3 accounts), and it didnt work so well.
Active tank Tengu is much much better, and is kicking *ss ATM.
I can also fly the Loki and Legion. Bought the Legion, which isnt that hot imo. Ive turned it into a fancy probing ship.
After EFT'ing it up, I didnt buy the Loki as it doesnt meet my needs - DPS, tank and fit wise.
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SFX Bladerunner
Minmatar Bite me inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.06 01:13:00 -
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Edited by: SFX Bladerunner on 06/07/2010 01:16:25 Cap stable lvl4 mission fits comparison (loki needs cap impl):
[Tengu, LVL4 Tengu ] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Gistum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Cap Recharger II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Medium Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
[Loki, LVL4 Loki] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Damage Control II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Gist C-Type Large Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Loki Defensive - Amplification Node Loki Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5
Compared: Raw EFT DPS: Loki 700 Tengu 648 - Loki has light drones that have small travel delay, AC's with very good tracking but lacking range - Tengu has T2 damage missiles, awesome uniform range but decreased damage on frigs - Tengu tank is less than twice as strong but Loki signature is more than twice as small - Loki is faster, Tengu is a bit more agile - Loki locks faster, Tengu has more sensor strength
I wonder which one is actually better.
It seems like the loki CAN outperform the Tengu vs Angels or mercenaries, It seems like the Tengu will be much easier to fly (no moving necessary besides from set orbit for sig tanking) It seems like the Tengu will probably attain better isk/hour ratios It seems like the Loki will be much more pimp to fly simply because it isn't a Tengu, it isn't caldari, it IS minmatar, it uses sexy medium autocannons with the sexy animation and sound and it is a much more hands-on FUN approach to missions.
Choose your destiny!
EDIT: Also please rate my fits!
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Alsyth
Night Warder
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Posted - 2010.07.06 01:18:00 -
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Edited by: Alsyth on 06/07/2010 01:22:00 Edited by: Alsyth on 06/07/2010 01:21:19
Originally by: SFX Bladerunner
Gistum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
2B in a single module there. Don't ever do lvl4 in hi-sec with that, you'll get ganked in no time.
But it works well with a C-type too, and the comparison is more faire then.
Still Tengu>Loki when you're not sure to fight against kinetic-resistant and EM hitting npcs (which sleepers are not)
And the drone sub is bad.
And TI Calefaction catalyst is bad too. Go 4 BCS and T2 rof rig, T1 rigor, or 4 BCS and 2 Rigor 2 1 Flare 2.
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Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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Posted - 2010.07.06 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: Alsyth Edited by: Alsyth on 06/07/2010 01:22:00 Edited by: Alsyth on 06/07/2010 01:21:19
Originally by: SFX Bladerunner
Gistum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
2B in a single module there. Don't ever do lvl4 in hi-sec with that, you'll get ganked in no time.
I use a pithum a medium booster on mine, its about 300-400 mil.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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sentinel22uk
Black Talon Mercs
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Posted - 2010.07.06 07:20:00 -
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I have a T2 fit tengu with standard t2 large booster which is 850 DPS perma tank, heavy missile launchers and nice dps.
PM me in game for it if you want it.
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Clocky
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Posted - 2010.07.06 08:19:00 -
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I would go for the Tengu but thats just me. I manage most lvl4 in under 25 to 30 Mins. Only a few take longer than an hour (WC4 AE4 and so on) Also my ship cost less than a CNR with T2 fittings instead of the Faction booster I had on my raven. Ive sold my raven now and the tengu is the only ship I fly in lvl4s. |
Madmi CEO
Mad Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.06 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cosmic Rainbow After EFT'ing it up, I didnt buy the Loki as it doesnt meet my needs - DPS, tank and fit wise.
Yeah, 900 dps onmitank really doesn't cut it |
Alsyth
Night Warder
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Posted - 2010.07.06 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: sentinel22uk I have a T2 fit tengu with standard t2 large booster which is 850 DPS perma tank, heavy missile launchers and nice dps.
PM me in game for it if you want it.
Guess you don't have 4 BCS and 6 lauchers.... |
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SFX Bladerunner
Minmatar Bite me inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.06 12:05:00 -
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Edited by: SFX Bladerunner on 06/07/2010 12:06:18
Originally by: Alsyth
Originally by: sentinel22uk I have a T2 fit tengu with standard t2 large booster which is 850 DPS perma tank, heavy missile launchers and nice dps.
PM me in game for it if you want it.
Guess you don't have 4 BCS and 6 lauchers....
Indeed, my fits might be just EFT warrioring and cap stable (lazy mode) but atleast they have 3 dmg mods on there.
Overtanking a Tengu/Loki for pve is just silly. I personally tend to prefer 3 damage mods over 4 because I really don't think the 4th adds 'that' much DPS compared to the tankability you are losing but I haven't flown either of those 2 ships and would probably go with 4 dmg mods after a few missions if the tank still seems overpowered.
Having a big tank on a T3 cruiser is nothing to brag about if it's supposed to be a PVE ship, you fit a T3 by firstly trying to pump as much DPS as possible through it and THEN try to slap on some tank, NOT the other way around.
If you really wanted a full tank on your T3 you could get a 4000 SDE tank on (any) 2 resists easily but that wouldn't really be usefull now would it. |
SFX Bladerunner
Minmatar Bite me inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.06 12:14:00 -
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Edited by: SFX Bladerunner on 06/07/2010 12:14:39
Originally by: Alsyth Edited by: Alsyth on 06/07/2010 01:22:00 Edited by: Alsyth on 06/07/2010 01:21:19
Originally by: SFX Bladerunner
Gistum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
2B in a single module there. Don't ever do lvl4 in hi-sec with that, you'll get ganked in no time.
But it works well with a C-type too, and the comparison is more faire then.
Still Tengu>Loki when you're not sure to fight against kinetic-resistant and EM hitting npcs (which sleepers are not)
And the drone sub is bad.
And TI Calefaction catalyst is bad too. Go 4 BCS and T2 rof rig, T1 rigor, or 4 BCS and 2 Rigor 2 1 Flare 2.
I get more DPS out of my guns (according to EFT) with the 'drone rig' (and that's without drones) for some reason even though bonusses in description seem to indiciate more DPS from the other sub.
Is this an EFT bug or could you explain the difference between the two subsystems? As it stands now (from what EFT displays) my current loki offensive sub seems much better than the other as it adds more (EFT) DPS and it gives a falloff bonus instead of optimal which is perfect for AC's. |
Anddeh McNab
Matari Department of Gun Control
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Posted - 2010.07.06 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Stick Cult I use a pithum a medium booster on mine, its about 300-400 mil.
Where on earth did you find it for that cheap? Currently they're at least 800 mill on contract.
Personally I'd be using this set-up for missions, not as much dps output as Bladerunner's but it's somewhat it easier on the wallet as it's got more CPU. I'd also be using it in tandam with an alt providing gang-links and I do the whole balling of wrecks.
[Loki, PvE Cheap(ish)] Tracking Enhancer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Stasis Webifier II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
425mm AutoCannon II, Fusion M 425mm AutoCannon II, Fusion M 425mm AutoCannon II, Fusion M 425mm AutoCannon II, Fusion M 425mm AutoCannon II, Fusion M Small Tractor Beam I
Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I Medium Projectile Collision Accelerator I
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
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GyokZoli
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.06 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Stick Cult I use a pithum a medium booster on mine, its about 300-400 mil.
Well, it was around 800-900 million ISK a few weeks ago, last time I checked. |
israus
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Posted - 2010.07.06 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: SFX Bladerunner stuff
your fits are fine its your comparison that stinks , your comparing a close range ac setup thats good to what 10-15 km to a long range missile setup that will kill targets at 120 km
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SFX Bladerunner
Minmatar Bite me inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.06 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: israus
Originally by: SFX Bladerunner stuff
your fits are fine its your comparison that stinks , your comparing a close range ac setup thats good to what 10-15 km to a long range missile setup that will kill targets at 120 km
Uhm, I was comparing a viable Tengu pve fit with a viable Loki pve fit.
If you had actually bothered to READ my comparison at the bottom you might have found out that I did in fact realise the very points mentioned in your (angry) reply.
Also, with the two tracking enhancers and falloff bonus from subsystem you get around 33km falloff with regular ammo and 44km with Barrage. The Loki is also FASTER than the tengu, and thus better capable to keep up with rats.
Try READING posts before replying to them. Who knows, it just might make you look less stupid! |
Evil Stare
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Posted - 2010.07.06 13:07:00 -
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This is what I use. I mission mostly against serps and other therm/kin npc's. With my skills 1263dps against serps and puts out 663.
[Tengu, Octavios heat] Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
6x Heavy Missile Launcher II (Scourge Fury Heavy Missile)
Dread Guristas Heat Dissipation Field Dread Guristas Heat Dissipation Amplifier Dread Guristas Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster Cap Recharger II
2x Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System 2x Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I 2x Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
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israus
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Posted - 2010.07.06 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: SFX Bladerunner
Uhm, I was comparing a viable Tengu pve fit with a viable Loki pve fit.
If you had actually bothered to READ my comparison at the bottom you might have found out that I did in fact realise the very points mentioned in your (angry) reply.
Also, with the two tracking enhancers and falloff bonus from subsystem you get around 33km falloff with regular ammo and 44km with Barrage. The Loki is also FASTER than the tengu, and thus better capable to keep up with rats.
Try READING posts before replying to them. Who knows, it just might make you look less stupid!
i'm fully aware you make note of the fact the of the tengu's longer range but the simply fact is you said yourself your comparing a viable tengu setup with a "vaible" loki setup but that's isn't what you've done for mission running that loki setup is awful. using fraction ammo in the bucket load is gonna massive eat into any income you get for missioning.
the op asked for people to give advice on which is the better ship for missioning ship. and you say yourself in your resent edit that a long range loki is meh at best. and the close range fit you give is gonna suck income wise to a tengu. so why try and give blurred eft warring figures and not just come and and say a tengu is the best between the 2.
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Cosmic Rainbow
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Posted - 2010.07.06 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Madmi CEO
Originally by: Cosmic Rainbow After EFT'ing it up, I didnt buy the Loki as it doesnt meet my needs - DPS, tank and fit wise.
Yeah, 900 dps onmitank really doesn't cut it
When your getting slammed for over 2000 dps and you cant fit a large S95a in the high's and have it be nice and cap stable while pounding out DPS at a long range - no it doesnt smart *ss
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.07.06 15:40:00 -
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Tengu.
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SFX Bladerunner
Minmatar Bite me inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.06 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: israus
Originally by: SFX Bladerunner
Uhm, I was comparing a viable Tengu pve fit with a viable Loki pve fit.
If you had actually bothered to READ my comparison at the bottom you might have found out that I did in fact realise the very points mentioned in your (angry) reply.
Also, with the two tracking enhancers and falloff bonus from subsystem you get around 33km falloff with regular ammo and 44km with Barrage. The Loki is also FASTER than the tengu, and thus better capable to keep up with rats.
Try READING posts before replying to them. Who knows, it just might make you look less stupid!
i'm fully aware you make note of the fact the of the tengu's longer range but the simply fact is you said yourself your comparing a viable tengu setup with a "vaible" loki setup but that's isn't what you've done for mission running that loki setup is awful. using fraction ammo in the bucket load is gonna massive eat into any income you get for missioning.
the op asked for people to give advice on which is the better ship for missioning ship. and you say yourself in your resent edit that a long range loki is meh at best. and the close range fit you give is gonna suck income wise to a tengu. so why try and give blurred eft warring figures and not just come and and say a tengu is the best between the 2.
You have a good point.
using regular T1 ammo you gimp your dps (cheapest) using barrage you gimp your dps but increase your range (not so cheap but still acceptable, as compared to the T2 missiles on tengu)
So basically the Loki CAN do lvl4 missions, but will perform sub-par compared to the Tengu.
My final original point of it being cooler, more hands-on and sexier than a Tengu still stands though! __________________________________________________
History is much like an endless waltz, the three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever.. |
Dragons Talon
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Posted - 2010.07.06 16:31:00 -
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2B in a single module there. Don't ever do lvl4 in hi-sec with that, you'll get ganked in no time.
That much now huh...prices have indeed gone nuts since I left..
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Meylota LeFey
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.06 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Dragons Talon
2B in a single module there. Don't ever do lvl4 in hi-sec with that, you'll get ganked in no time.
That much now huh...prices have indeed gone nuts since I left..
I find it amusing how many people perpetuate the myth that hisec is littered with people scanning ships for their modules and then calling in the gank squads. Yeah, I know it happens -- happened to a corpmate of mine even (and considering how small my corp is that's saying something) -- but I also know it's a heckuva lot more rare than it's made out to be on these forums.
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X'llian
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Posted - 2010.07.07 11:19:00 -
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Yesterday when I was passing through a typical mission system there was 2 neutrals talking in local, and the conversation were something like this:
x: "anyone got a tengu fit they wanna share?" Y: "I have this one that I uses for Serpentis missions.."
Then He linked his tengu setup for everyone to see.. a billion isk setup tengu with faction booster and other goodies.
It was astonishing that he just naivly posted it in local.
What more there was absolutely nothing patching up the EM-hole.
So a geddon should do the trick of ganking him and then scope the loot with a alt in a hauler.
If you make your tengu a billion isk pinata and flash it for everone to see then you have it coming to you.
I don't trust strangers myself so I would never show my fit, and I take precautions to avoid being ganked.
Even more, I know some corps/alliances who frequently move around the most used mission systems to farm mission runners and I have them negative on my standing list. When anyone of said corp/alliance show their ugly mug in local I'm even more care full.
So tengu or any other t3 pilot don't be a moron and you should be safe.
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Dragons Talon
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Posted - 2010.07.07 20:55:00 -
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Quote: It was astonishing that he just naivly posted it in local.
I post my fits in local when there is a convo going about them, and yeah some day it might just byte me on the ass, but then just undocking the damned thing makes it a target no matter whats on it so waste my time flying something crappy just because its risk of getting ganked is low? Now if I get war dec'ed it will remain in a station, but I don't fall for the "I steal you wreck, you can shoot me", which probably makes it really boring for those that do try it on me. And while it COULD be one volleyed it would be more than one ship having to be there doing it and while I'll sit there and do a mission with one ship next to me..when that second shows I'm gone...and last I knew concord shows up if they try to web you.
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Alsyth
Night Warder
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Posted - 2010.07.08 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: X'llian Yesterday when I was passing through a typical mission system there was 2 neutrals talking in local, and the conversation were something like this:
x: "anyone got a tengu fit they wanna share?" Y: "I have this one that I uses for Serpentis missions.."
Then He linked his tengu setup for everyone to see.. a billion isk setup tengu with faction booster and other goodies.
It was astonishing that he just naivly posted it in local.
What more there was absolutely nothing patching up the EM-hole.
So a geddon should do the trick of ganking him and then scope the loot with a alt in a hauler.
If you make your tengu a billion isk pinata and flash it for everone to see then you have it coming to you.
I don't trust strangers myself so I would never show my fit, and I take precautions to avoid being ganked.
Even more, I know some corps/alliances who frequently move around the most used mission systems to farm mission runners and I have them negative on my standing list. When anyone of said corp/alliance show their ugly mug in local I'm even more care full.
So tengu or any other t3 pilot don't be a moron and you should be safe.
Hope you posted with an alt :D
And yeah, Tengu all the way for lvl4, unless you mission in 100% EM/Thermal rats zone, where an armor Loki can be really awesome. Permatank anything with 2 slots and some rigs, webs things to 30 km, tracking enhancer and 4 damage mod... A mean little beast. And where a Tengu will have a hard time with its poor damage type (or ****ty bonuses if you swap subs and use EM missiles) and its weaker tank.
But still Loki lacks range compared to a Tengu :D
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Jane Jacobs
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Posted - 2010.07.08 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones I want to make a passive tank for level 4's while some corpies catch up on sp, then WH duty. Looks like the tengu is a billion isk drake. For all intents and purposes the tengu looks like it gets better DPS than the loki however. I have a lot of SP in drones and would like to have them as part of the picture.
Which is the better ship for level 4's then WH's/plexes (in a small fleet)? I can use 1-2 warfare links on the alt. Thanks in advance.
In response to the original post... Why are you comparing the Tengu with the Loki if you want to use your drone skills? Shouldn't you have the Proteus in there somewhere? The prot has the most drone capability of all the T3. I dont know of the strengths/weaknesses in comparison to Tengu or Loki, but if you want drones use the drone ship. Since it seems the Tengu beats out the Loki in this thread (by most) perhaps we could see a new one started comparing it to the Proteus?
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Headerman
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Posted - 2010.07.09 02:42:00 -
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Originally by: X'llian Then He linked his tengu setup for everyone to see..
O.O
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Techno Panda
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Posted - 2010.07.09 04:46:00 -
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[Loki, Long Range AC] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
10MN Afterburner II Pithi C-Type Small Shield Booster Gistii C-Type Small Shield Booster Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Loki Defensive - Amplification Node Loki Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Warrior II x5 Warrior II x5
Gives 35KM Range with the Autocannons with EMP and 55KM with Barrage :) I likes it
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.09 05:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jane Jacobs
Originally by: Cipher Jones I want to make a passive tank for level 4's while some corpies catch up on sp, then WH duty. Looks like the tengu is a billion isk drake. For all intents and purposes the tengu looks like it gets better DPS than the loki however. I have a lot of SP in drones and would like to have them as part of the picture.
Which is the better ship for level 4's then WH's/plexes (in a small fleet)? I can use 1-2 warfare links on the alt. Thanks in advance.
In response to the original post... Why are you comparing the Tengu with the Loki if you want to use your drone skills? Shouldn't you have the Proteus in there somewhere? The prot has the most drone capability of all the T3. I dont know of the strengths/weaknesses in comparison to Tengu or Loki, but if you want drones use the drone ship. Since it seems the Tengu beats out the Loki in this thread (by most) perhaps we could see a new one started comparing it to the Proteus?
If you want to by all means. I have no interest in flying a proteus so I did not ask. This is clearly a signature. |
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.13 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: SFX Bladerunner Edited by: SFX Bladerunner on 06/07/2010 01:16:25 Cap stable lvl4 mission fits comparison (loki needs cap impl):
[Tengu, LVL4 Tengu ] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Gistum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Cap Recharger II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Medium Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
[Loki, LVL4 Loki] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Damage Control II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Gist C-Type Large Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Loki Defensive - Amplification Node Loki Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5
Compared: Raw EFT DPS: Loki 700 Tengu 648 - Loki has light drones that have small travel delay, AC's with very good tracking but lacking range - Tengu has T2 damage missiles, awesome uniform range but decreased damage on frigs - Tengu tank is less than twice as strong but Loki signature is more than twice as small - Loki is faster, Tengu is a bit more agile - Loki locks faster, Tengu has more sensor strength
I wonder which one is actually better.
It seems like the loki CAN outperform the Tengu vs Angels or mercenaries, It seems like the Tengu will be much easier to fly (no moving necessary besides from set orbit for sig tanking) It seems like the Tengu will probably attain better isk/hour ratios It seems like the Loki will be much more pimp to fly simply because it isn't a Tengu, it isn't caldari, it IS minmatar, it uses sexy medium autocannons with the sexy animation and sound and it is a much more hands-on FUN approach to missions.
Choose your destiny!
EDIT: Also please rate my fits!
I decided to use the tengu fit then possibly the loki. It will be better for level 4 missions isk/hour wise. Thanks everyone for your input. This is clearly a signature. |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2010.07.13 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: SFX Bladerunner
Having a big tank on a T3 cruiser is nothing to brag about if it's supposed to be a PVE ship, you fit a T3 by firstly trying to pump as much DPS as possible through it and THEN try to slap on some tank, NOT the other way around.
[Tengu, HML w Accel II] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Shield Boost Amplifier II Explosion Dampening Field II Invulnerability Field II Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
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DeBingJos
Minmatar Between the lines
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Posted - 2010.07.14 12:45:00 -
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The loki is fun to fly though!
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Miriiah
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Posted - 2010.07.14 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: stoicfaux
Originally by: SFX Bladerunner
Having a big tank on a T3 cruiser is nothing to brag about if it's supposed to be a PVE ship, you fit a T3 by firstly trying to pump as much DPS as possible through it and THEN try to slap on some tank, NOT the other way around.
[Tengu, HML w Accel II] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Shield Boost Amplifier II Explosion Dampening Field II Invulnerability Field II Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
This, but with a TP over one of the SBA's (And t2 fury's ofc, prolly mistake on posters setup)
best fit you can get
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