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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2010.06.16 12:00:00 -
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On Wednesday, June 23, 2010 between 0900 and 1500 UTC, Tranquility will be down while we move the cluster. CCP Yokai's new dev blog gives all the details on the move and improvements to the cluster.
By the way, this is Yokai's first dev blog. Some of you may remember him from Fanfest 2008, when he and a pick up team (Bubblegum!) made it all the way to second place in the mining PvP tournament :D
Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us |
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Doctor Mabuse
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Posted - 2010.06.16 12:01:00 -
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First \o/ ------------------------------------
Who's trip-trapping on my bridge? |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2010.06.16 12:09:00 -
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IBTC and yay for the blog.
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Laendra
Universalis Imperium
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Posted - 2010.06.16 12:15:00 -
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Impressive -------------------
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Joe SMASH
You Got A Purty Mouth
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Posted - 2010.06.16 12:16:00 -
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Edited by: Joe SMASH on 16/06/2010 12:16:52 mmmmmm sexy hardware pics....
I'll be in my bunk.
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Originally by: Kali Zero Warp core stabilizers are like condoms. Nice and safe, but they make it a little less fun for everyone involved.
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Charles Javeroux
Gallente INTERSTELLAR CREDIT
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Posted - 2010.06.16 12:18:00 -
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Are those "extra cold hamsters" there to keep up the motivation of the other, "hot running hamsters" ?
Originally by: Orek Fear I guess the ultimate solution to inflation in EVE turned out to be an NPC stripper...
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.16 12:33:00 -
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Secure 3rd party service | my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' |
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Meno Theaetetus
Wildly Inappropriate Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 12:33:00 -
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Edited by: Meno Theaetetus on 16/06/2010 12:34:52 Awesome Yokai, thanks for taking the time to do this, the lag doesn't seem as bad as long as your keeping us in the loop as to how your trying to fix it.
Please just don't leave it another 5+ years to do a follow up.
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Xeross155
Minmatar Fusion Death Inc. Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2010.06.16 12:45:00 -
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I knew they were going to do something soon, hope this will help quite a bit in our lag free massive pewpew battles. It will surely help a bit. --------------------------------------------- Xeross' ventures into EVE |
Washu Usagi
Usagi Research
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Posted - 2010.06.16 12:46:00 -
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I demand more pictures of Skyne... er Tranquility!
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Raquel Smith
Caldari Freedom-Technologies Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2010.06.16 12:49:00 -
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Edited by: Raquel Smith on 16/06/2010 12:52:11 PICS OR SHENS
Also - good luck. I only had to move a handful of gear during a recent office move (down 2 floors, outside about 100 metres and then up 6 floors) and that was tough enough. Good luck with the epic gear move and do take pics :D
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Dusty Meg
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Posted - 2010.06.16 12:50:00 -
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Looks great. See if we can sort some goons out with the new servers :). Just try to keep use abit more in the loop would be great.
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CCP Yokai
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Posted - 2010.06.16 12:55:00 -
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"Just try to keep use abit more in the loop would be great."
That is the plan. There are lots of exciting things brewing in Virtual World Operations right now...
As I mentioned, upcoming blog posts will talk about what we are doing for:
-Remapping EVE -Next Level Fleet Fights -Hot Spot Prediction
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Arrador
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Posted - 2010.06.16 12:57:00 -
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whatcouldpossiblygowrong?
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Maeve Trinity
Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.06.16 12:58:00 -
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Thanks for keeping us so well informed!! Very awesome \o/
And yes, the first thing I thought of at the mention of hamsters was Chribba's hamster blankets. XD
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.06.16 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: blog Although not everyone gets excited about cabinets and a datacenter
I resent that remark !
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Beginner's ISK making guide | Manufacturer's helper | All about reacting _
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Amy Garzan
Gallente The Warp Rats Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2010.06.16 13:05:00 -
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Yay! And yes lots and lots of picts!
Btw you guys totally screwed how DFCs work. But Ill forgive you for lots of picts of those sexy 7600s and all your networking -------------------------------------------------- 101010 The Answer to Life, The Universe, and Everything |
Cedkin
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Posted - 2010.06.16 13:10:00 -
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AWESOME! I like to post too, but sometimes i don't know what to say. So i just post something random like this post. But on the other hand, it might just all be a large signature. |
ihcn
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Posted - 2010.06.16 13:11:00 -
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I'm really curious to know exactly how the "node" system works. Is it a similar idea to the way VM works, with automated load balancing of virtual servers between hosts, etc? Hopefully you'll talk about it soon.
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Borgh Brainbasher
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.06.16 13:12:00 -
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I'm not a computer specialist but I still made a sticky mess of my pants. also: in before the whine of "why are they wasting time upgrading the servers while we need Lag solved NAO" calling it now: someone will come along and seriously suggest this. --- Warning: You are on the pvp only server. |
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Trick Novalight
Caldari Instapop Industries Amici Noctis
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Posted - 2010.06.16 13:13:00 -
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Edited by: Trick Novalight on 16/06/2010 13:13:59 As someone who works in a data center and sees moves like this all the time, getting this done in 4 hours will be a HUGE task....that is if they haven't been prepping for this for the past few weeks and the 4 hours of downtime is actually due to copying files
(1x72GB hd? No raid 5? Seems like setting up 15k rpm HDs in raid 5 or raid 10 would help increase the read/write of the SQL database...)
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Silverlinings
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Posted - 2010.06.16 13:19:00 -
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Ehm...
When you place the hamsters back, PLEASE do not forget to feed them or TQ will def stay offline.
Great news to see "our EVE" growing again...
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GeekWarrior
Gallente Black Rise Minutemen
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Posted - 2010.06.16 13:19:00 -
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TQ upgrades and new Futurama ep in the same week! It's going to be a good week.
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Evelgrivion
Ignatium.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 13:24:00 -
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Please, please, please tell me that the state manager is getting an upgrade!
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Blitz0r
Minmatar M. Corp Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.16 13:29:00 -
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Good luck and have fun!
Love the details in the blogpost and the comments in it :)
See you on the other side
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Ms Michigan
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Posted - 2010.06.16 13:30:00 -
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SEXY SEXY PICS! ;)
Software is nice but hardware is the spice!
Seriously though - I have no doubt this new setup and the advanced switches will make a nice dent in the fleet lag problems and "race" conditions. Just a guess.
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CCP Valar
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Posted - 2010.06.16 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Trick Novalight
(1x72GB hd? No raid 5? Seems like setting up 15k rpm HDs in raid 5 or raid 10 would help increase the read/write of the SQL database...)
1x72GB hard disk in each application server... and those have nothing to do with the SQL Server. The EVE server does almost no I/O so disk performance on the application servers is of no concern.
---- Senior Virtual World Database Administrator Operations department CCP Games |
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Camios
Minmatar Insurgent New Eden Tribe
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Posted - 2010.06.16 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Yokai "Just try to keep use abit more in the loop would be great."
That is the plan. There are lots of exciting things brewing in Virtual World Operations right now...
As I mentioned, upcoming blog posts will talk about what we are doing for:
-Remapping EVE -Next Level Fleet Fights -Hot Spot Prediction
-Remapping EVE: what's this? hope it's not bad news
-Next Level Fleet Fights: Is the current level working? If not, why are we already at the next level?
hmmmm btw sounds interesting. hurry up with those devblogs!
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SkinSin
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Posted - 2010.06.16 13:46:00 -
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Only 6 hours to do a complete migration? hmmmm...... *sets a 28 day skill*
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WittyName Here
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Posted - 2010.06.16 13:52:00 -
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MOAR HAMSTERS!
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Kalvor Azrael
Minmatar Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 13:53:00 -
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I'm curious. Did you guys consider the Cisco UCS for the blade servers? They've got some interesting capabilities around networking and dynamic provisioning.
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RaTTuS
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.16 14:03:00 -
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Shiney --
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Cinori Aluben
Minmatar Gladiators of Rage Honourable Templum of Alcedonia
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Posted - 2010.06.16 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: DevBlog do anything crazy like running servers under nitrogen pools (although that is pretty cool).
Overclock that bad boy, and 10,000 people in Jita anyone? :D
I am very grateful to see you guys are continuing to upgrade the hardware infrastructure behind EVE. As EVE continues to grow, in playerbase and in depth, it's going to be increasingly important to maintain a pattern of upgrading the server. This should most definitely help with the lag issues though, yay!
Any chance of before and after system performance info?
Originally by: Camios
-Next Level Fleet Fights: Is the current level working? If not, why are we already at the next level?
I must say however that I agree with this statement. Don't get lazy and let the hardware do all the work for you. Code efficiency should still be a priority, even though your new hardware might 'fix' the issue, you'll be taking better advantage of your new hardware if you fix the code first. I trust you, just sayin...
Finally, where does the old stuff go?
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gtiness
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Posted - 2010.06.16 14:11:00 -
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I like your enclosed row stuff you've got going on there. We have gear like yours (but more, and not all blades)...and are not lucky enough to have such a tidy hot row/cold row configuration. So, cooling is our biggest problem.
Offsite backup for teh data?
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Trick Novalight
Caldari Instapop Industries Amici Noctis
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Posted - 2010.06.16 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Valar
Originally by: Trick Novalight
(1x72GB hd? No raid 5? Seems like setting up 15k rpm HDs in raid 5 or raid 10 would help increase the read/write of the SQL database...)
1x72GB hard disk in each application server... and those have nothing to do with the SQL Server. The EVE server does almost no I/O so disk performance on the application servers is of no concern.
Very interesting, now that makes me wonder how the severside app and netcode is set up. why not have a huge VM array?
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Tylvern Bison
Gallente Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 14:13:00 -
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Great posting. Keep up the good work. More details about the network would be awesome!
Be aware of two things. I used HS21s for over a year, starting back in 2007, and the firmware on the disk controllers were a problem for quite some time (lots of blue screens under WIN2K3). Also IBM wasn't sure what hardware components were in our servers when we called in for service. We migrated as fast as we could to the HS22s, and they seem to be a much more stable product.
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Regat Kozovv
Caldari Alcothology
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Posted - 2010.06.16 14:15:00 -
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Always love hearing what you guys are doing under the hood.
Keep up the great work, and post pics! =D
Originally by: CCP Atropos THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS.
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CCP Yokai
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Posted - 2010.06.16 14:20:00 -
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"Did you guys consider the Cisco UCS for the blade servers?"
We have a great relationship with Cisco. They have some very cool toys and we try not to keep our eyes open for anything that makes TQ better. That being said, the IBM blades have been so good and the IBM team are working hand in hand with our team to make TQ better. We never stop looking for the best.
The UCS solution is very good for virtualized and for solutions where many if not most of the servers need lots of connection types (fiberchannel, Gig-E, Infiniband, Etc...) The EVE code is quite amazing that we can get 60,000 plus players on 64 servers with only Gig-E connectivity. Do some research and see how many servers someone like a game about secondary life needs to operate at that level.
Not to keep pimping future blogs... but, the next one is all About how we map EVE's 7929 solar systems (w/wormholes) onto those 50 or so nodes that handle solar systems and make sure the one you are playing in has the correct load. That's where we'll make the most noticable impact on performance in teh short term.
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Yuda Mann
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Posted - 2010.06.16 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Cinori Aluben Don't get lazy and let the hardware do all the work for you. Code efficiency should still be a priority, even though your new hardware might 'fix' the issue, you'll be taking better advantage of your new hardware if you fix the code first. I trust you, just sayin...
Obviously you haven't participated in mass testing on sisi, otherwise you wouldn't make such an insulting and ignorant statement. :) |
Memorya
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Posted - 2010.06.16 14:30:00 -
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/Fail
Upgrade network framework and you migh actualy see 2k fleet battles, but until then... dream on.... ------------------------ "English is a funny language; that explains why we park our car on the driveway and drive our car on the parkway."
English is my 5th. Language.
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Ruban Spangler
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse True Reign
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Posted - 2010.06.16 14:36:00 -
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The photograph clearly shows further evidence of CCPÆs bias towards Caldari. Why did you pick Caldari cabinets over Gallente or Amarr? No need to explain the decision not to pick rust and duct tape. Bene Gesserit is recruiting. |
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CCP Yokai
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Posted - 2010.06.16 14:38:00 -
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"why not have a huge VM array?"
We get this question a lot and the answer is pretty simple. Think of a server, even a very big one as a loaf of bread. Each time you make a slice you leave some crumbs behind (the overhead of VMÆs) no matter how small or efficient the slicing the fact is you donÆt get the peak capacity you could if it were dedicated to the one service.
In Eve we already virtualize so to speak by distributing solar systems onto servers based on usage data. But we donÆt need the overhead of many of those popular virtualization software providers when we do need to dedicate a node to Jita, Fleet Fights, etc. So, in some waysà Eve is very virtualized and very good at it.
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Trick Novalight
Caldari Instapop Industries Amici Noctis
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Posted - 2010.06.16 14:39:00 -
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Edited by: Trick Novalight on 16/06/2010 14:41:16
Originally by: CCP Yokai Edited by: CCP Yokai on 16/06/2010 14:26:51 "Did you guys consider the Cisco UCS for the blade servers?"
We have a great relationship with Cisco. They have some very cool toys and we try not to keep our eyes open for anything that makes TQ better. That being said, the IBM blades have been so good and the IBM team are working hand in hand with our team to make TQ better. We never stop looking for the best.
The UCS solution is very good for virtualized and for solutions where many if not most of the servers need lots of connection types (fiberchannel, Gig-E, Infiniband, Etc...) The EVE code is quite amazing that we can get 60,000 plus players on 64 servers with only Gig-E connectivity. Do some research and see how many servers someone like a game about secondary life needs to operate at that level.
Not to keep pimping future blogs... but, the next one is all About how we map EVE's 7929 solar systems (w/wormholes) onto those 50 or so nodes that handle solar systems and make sure the one you are playing in has the correct load. That's where we'll make the most noticable impact on performance in the short term.
Can't wait! sounds like a great read
Originally by: CCP Yokai "why not have a huge VM array?"
We get this question a lot and the answer is pretty simple. Think of a server, even a very big one as a loaf of bread. Each time you make a slice you leave some crumbs behind (the overhead of VMÆs) no matter how small or efficient the slicing the fact is you donÆt get the peak capacity you could if it were dedicated to the one service.
In Eve we already virtualize so to speak by distributing solar systems onto servers based on usage data. But we donÆt need the overhead of many of those popular virtualization software providers when we do need to dedicate a node to Jita, Fleet Fights, etc. So, in some waysà Eve is very virtualized and very good at it.
I had a feeling it was something along these lines. which is how you can "reinforce" a node upon request. Are you using a proprietary OS to run TQ?
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.06.16 14:55:00 -
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Thanks for this blog. I for one am seriously tired of the whole CCP over the top hubris that almost never meets expectations and it's nice to see some plain talk about what actually goes on on the data center side. More transparency will get you many more satisfied customers.
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Evelgrivion
Ignatium.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Memorya /Fail
Upgrade network framework and you migh actualy see 2k fleet battles, but until then... dream on....
I'd much rather have them spruce up the state manager. Why do you think Jita is at least serviceable with almost 1400 pilots while performance goes down the toilet with less than half that number of pilots in a fleet battle?
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Ticondrius
Orbital Infinity Saints Amongst Sinners
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Posted - 2010.06.16 15:37:00 -
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I've been here since the beginning, I've seen 2-3 total replacements now of the TQ cluster. I've heard the jokes about selling Oveur's car to buy the first RAMSAN. I've survived the Infiniband hype (which is apparenlty still not used...).
Push the Session Timer to 10 seconds (if not handle it more elegantly and transparent to the players) and redesign the session system as to permit multiple nodes to support a single star system, then I'll be impressed.
Software efficiency is ALWAYS better than throwing more hardware at the problem. I am not amused. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- NRDS: Not Really Defending Space MMORPG: Many Men Online Role Playing Girls |
Molly Cutter
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Posted - 2010.06.16 15:40:00 -
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Being mildly pesimistic, and in my line of work it is most of the time too optimistic (I am IT guy - as well as more than nine tenths of internet users anyway) it is obvious that CCP found lag source. That means back to 0.0 for me :) Keep pushing envelope guys (even when everyone and his dog knows better).
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Kerdrak
Big Guns Inc. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 15:40:00 -
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Just a question: 1000 player battles, when? ________________________________________
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Nye Jaran
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Posted - 2010.06.16 15:41:00 -
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Talk about de ja vu. I just ordered a pair of HS21s in nearly that exact configuration, couldn't get the 3.33ghz. Love our IBM blades.
Have you guys looked at the HX5's? Same or better processing power as the 3850 in a blade form factor?
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CCP Yokai
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Posted - 2010.06.16 15:51:00 -
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Edited by: CCP Yokai on 16/06/2010 15:53:07 "Software efficiency is ALWAYS better than throwing more hardware at the problem."
I am a fan of this comment :)
Yes, but we try not to limit our efforts to just one source. I'm not a programmer but the team I work with is focused on making sure the code that does get deployed does not have inference from limited or weak infrastructure design.
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Trader Jen
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Posted - 2010.06.16 15:52:00 -
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yeh yeh....we've seen these "solutions" blogs a few times. I fully expect nothing to change about lag. |
Liorah
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Posted - 2010.06.16 15:54:00 -
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Quote: In Eve we already virtualize so to speak by distributing solar systems onto servers based on usage data. But we donÆt need the overhead of many of those popular virtualization software providers when we do need to dedicate a node to Jita, Fleet Fights, etc. So, in some waysà Eve is very virtualized and very good at it.
I'd attempt the argument that with something like a VMware enterprise product and its automatic dynamic resource allocation, you might achieve better utilization of your overall resources with quicker response, even considering the minor overhead of the hypervisor. Then there is the advantage that you could specify conditions in which to migrate the guest VMs off of a server to automatically "reinforce" a particular node within seconds or minutes of the need becoming apparent, without having to know in advance that the NC was going to jump the SC in some obscure system.
Another advantage is at hardware upgrade time. You configure your VM guests for the virtualized hardware, so hardware upgrades are little more than: install hypervisor on new server, migrate VMs off of outdated server, plug in new server, migrate VMs to new server. You could train a hamster to do it, and it can be done without downtime for individual servers/blades.
I guess this ....
Quote: Not to keep pimping future blogs... but, the next one is all About how we map EVE's 7929 solar systems (w/wormholes) onto those 50 or so nodes that handle solar systems and make sure the one you are playing in has the correct load. That's where we'll make the most noticeable impact on performance in the short term.
... will help make more clear what you guys are doing =)
(But allowing it to happen automatically would save dev/operator time and would reduce the opportunity for human error)
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CODE RED
Caldari HACK3R Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 16:02:00 -
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I just had a nerdgasim :) Being a die hard IT engineer for 15 years, this is good stuff! Good luck guys! _________________________________________ Kryo "CODE RED" Dracon
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CCP Yokai
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Posted - 2010.06.16 16:03:00 -
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Liorah,
VM Ware and similar solutions are pretty damn cool for that kind of thing. Again, not that it's a bad idea, but there are complexities to moving sessions around on the virtual nodes even in seconds.
Right now we have some very dedicated guys that make sure the systems get reallocated, and part of the tools I'm talking about in "Predicting Hot Spots" is all about knowing where and when to put nodes to dedicated status and making it completely automated.
The ease of use trade off, with virtualization is just not as high on our list as getting fights bigger... we are at or near Moore's Law and I don't expect to see us getting CPU to 3x anytime soon... so every % we can protect we do.
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ctx2007
Minmatar Wychwood and Wells United Nations Intelligence Taskforces
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Posted - 2010.06.16 16:05:00 -
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doing CCENT i like to hear about how server rooms work. hmmm new cisco switches
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Jim Luc
Caldari Rule of Five Lucky Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.16 16:22:00 -
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Very interesting post.
I am curious - does the UI or graphic effects like brackets and smoke have any effect on server lag, or is this a software issue?
Is there a way to create a queue for players, so you see a loading bar, and then when the grid has completely loaded, the new system fades in seamlessly. This way, you don't jump into a system, and it doesn't take a few seconds to see your ship, or for the overview to update. I hate getting targeted before I even see my ship. I get a loading bar when undocking, why not for going through gates? Not sure if this is server issues or software
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Rongar Maximus
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Posted - 2010.06.16 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Rongar Maximus on 16/06/2010 16:31:48 Good luck on getting that done in 6 hours.
Me? I am setting a skill that takes as least 3 weeks on 22nd
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Molly Cutter
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Posted - 2010.06.16 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: Molly Cutter on 16/06/2010 16:41:33 @ Liorah
I think you are totally right. I also believe that there is some sort of evolutionary problem that limits CCP possibilities here. Cluster is virtualized already, so it may be too much too attempt changing of virtualization level. Also it looks that some other early concepts may interfere as well. Maybe writing code all over again would help but that is just ... well, lol.
@CCP Yokai
Moore's law reference is valid in case that there is similar tremd in business, but I am under impression that CCP business is changing outside this envelope. May I point @ 60k concurrent connections from Saturday? Plus, 64 blades is too round number (IT round) to be ignored. Perhaps cluster is at infrastructure limit already? And next step is what - 128? Still not too big investment if business can support it (or if it will solve lag issues in game language)... But it is never that simple :) Still, looks like good effort. edit. and btw, nice blog - max points from me.
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CCP Yokai
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Posted - 2010.06.16 16:51:00 -
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I'll set all my accounts to a 6 hour skill just to be sure ;)
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glas mir
Reaction Scientific
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Posted - 2010.06.16 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Molly Cutter
...64 blades is too round number (IT round) to be ignored. Perhaps cluster is at infrastructure limit already? And next step is what - 128?
Clusters tend to grow by powers of 2 because of communication efficiency - a major bottleneck in multiprocessor programming. For instance you can reduce a value from all nodes to a single one in log base 2 time. So reducing 65 nodes takes the same time as reducing 128.
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 16:59:00 -
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Edited by: Dan O''Connor on 16/06/2010 17:00:18
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Tranquility Cluster bonuses: 20% increase to total Tranquility node performance per level, 15% Jita stability per level, 10% lag decrease in fleet battles per level. Cannot be trained on trial accounts.
Prerequisites: - Hacking IV -- Electronic Upgrades V --- Electronics V
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2010.06.16 17:00:00 -
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Oooh, finally pictures. Didn't take us that long to get them did it? Looks a bit scary though.
Anyway I shut up so the more knowledge peeps can ask difficult questions.
Any chance the infiniband thread can get some dev love?
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Bloodcrow
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Posted - 2010.06.16 17:02:00 -
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Supprised your still running TQ on HDDs. when Solid State Drives are the way forward, and soooo much faster!
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ihcn
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Posted - 2010.06.16 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Bloodcrow Supprised your still running TQ on HDDs. when Solid State Drives are the way forward, and soooo much faster!
I think you missed the post where it said that the app servers barely touch the hard drives.
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Marlinea
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.16 17:08:00 -
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i never encounter lag yet, but that seem its will be great for large fleet battle :D cant wait to see teh result :D
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Luke S
Zeta Corp.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 17:09:00 -
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Thanks for keeping us in the loop. When I "USE" to play wow. the servers were BAD! and I never herd the devs from Blizzard say that they were upgrading their servers. instead I heard they were adding more servers. CCP kicks any other company in the pants when it comes to maintaining their servers for an MMO. ---
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Derelicht
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Posted - 2010.06.16 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Silverlinings Ehm...
When you place the hamsters back, PLEASE do not forget to feed them or TQ will def stay offline.
Great news to see "our EVE" growing again...
The hamster jokes never get old.
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Amarok Tonrar
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Posted - 2010.06.16 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: CCP YokaiAs I mentioned, upcoming blog posts will talk about what we are doing for:
-Remapping EVE
Originally by: CCP YokaiAs Not to keep pimping future blogs... but, the next one is all About how we map EVE's 7929 solar systems (w/wormholes) onto those 50 or so nodes that handle solar systems and make sure the one you are playing in has the correct load.
Aww....and for the briefest of moments, I thought you were meanin our in-game maps. :) Would have been devilishly amusing.
"Hey! Where'd Jita go?!?!"
Yeah...what do I know about server infrastucture...
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Commander Azrael
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.16 17:20:00 -
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Just out of interest is your suite located in Telehouse or Telecity?
Not that I've ever tried to find it when I've been there, there oh no....
I'd be interested to see some pics of the RAMSAN too if you have any
Moar datacentre pics!!!
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mechtech
SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Luke S Thanks for keeping us in the loop. When I "USE" to play wow. the servers were BAD! and I never herd the devs from Blizzard say that they were upgrading their servers. instead I heard they were adding more servers. CCP kicks any other company in the pants when it comes to maintaining their servers for an MMO.
Yep, when I was a new player, dev blogs like these quickly pointed out that CCP was a higher quality dev team that really cares about their game.
Also, I think you'd be surprised by how many people actually love the techy bits in a dev blog.
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Gornax Garrul
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.16 17:24:00 -
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I'm surprised you haven't upgraded to 10Gb ethernet or IB connections on your internal network. Or have you found that 1G ethernet is not a bottleneck when server population spikes?
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People like you make me want to access your brain and type "rm -rf /*"
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente NME1
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Posted - 2010.06.16 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 16/06/2010 17:27:58 Thanks for the specifics about what IT assets are needed to run EVE. I was always curious about what level of scale your IT operation is at.
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Servers 64 x IBM HS21 2x Dual Core 3.33GHz CPU's 32GB of RAM Each 1x72GB HDD Each 2 x IBM X3850 M2's 2x Six Core 2.66GHz 128GB of RAM 4 x 146GB HDD
Since I work there, by way of comparison, I can say that Ticketmaster.com uses about 10 times the number of comparable servers spread over 5 datacenters and two continents to sell tickets every weekend. Our Beijing operation, which ticketed the 2008 Olympics, ran on a cluster about the same size as this one for TQ.
-- Nah, that's just my Asperger's kickin' in.
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Terrax Norik
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Posted - 2010.06.16 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Gornax Garrul I'm surprised you haven't upgraded to 10Gb ethernet or IB connections on your internal network. Or have you found that 1G ethernet is not a bottleneck when server population spikes?
Originally by: CCP Yokai Edited by: CCP Yokai on 16/06/2010 14:26:51 "Did you guys consider the Cisco UCS for the blade servers?"
We have a great relationship with Cisco. They have some very cool toys and we try not to keep our eyes open for anything that makes TQ better. That being said, the IBM blades have been so good and the IBM team are working hand in hand with our team to make TQ better. We never stop looking for the best.
The UCS solution is very good for virtualized and for solutions where many if not most of the servers need lots of connection types (fiberchannel, Gig-E, Infiniband, Etc...) The EVE code is quite amazing that we can get 60,000 plus players on 64 servers with only Gig-E connectivity. Do some research and see how many servers someone like a game about secondary life needs to operate at that level.
Not to keep pimping future blogs... but, the next one is all About how we map EVE's 7929 solar systems (w/wormholes) onto those 50 or so nodes that handle solar systems and make sure the one you are playing in has the correct load. That's where we'll make the most noticable impact on performance in the short term.
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.06.16 17:33:00 -
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Nerdgasmic.
Cold hamsters are good hamsters.
This signature is useless, but it is red.
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Forum Alterson
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Posted - 2010.06.16 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Yokai Liorah,
VM Ware and similar solutions are pretty damn cool for that kind of thing. Again, not that it's a bad idea, but there are complexities to moving sessions around on the virtual nodes even in seconds.
Right now we have some very dedicated guys that make sure the systems get reallocated, and part of the tools I'm talking about in "Predicting Hot Spots" is all about knowing where and when to put nodes to dedicated status and making it completely automated.
The ease of use trade off, with virtualization is just not as high on our list as getting fights bigger... we are at or near Moore's Law and I don't expect to see us getting CPU to 3x anytime soon... so every % we can protect we do.
It's annoying how hard Virtualization has been pushed, that people think it's a solution everyone needs. VMs are great if you want to buy large hardware, to run multiple server instances. If the EVE Server Application moves nodes between servers to load balance, what could they possibly gain by adding a Hypervisor overhead on-top of that?
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente NME1
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Posted - 2010.06.16 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Trick Novalight Very interesting, now that makes me wonder how the severside app and netcode is set up. why not have a huge VM array?
Speaking as someone involved with an IT department that is migrating to just exactly this sort of "cloud computing" approach, the tech for efficient VM is relatively new, when compared to the planning (not to mention purchasing) necessary to execute the migration. Remember, they have to keep the existing discrete server farm running while bringing up the "cloud" and cut over to the cloud a piece at a time, all while keeping the TQ ball in the air.
tl;dr: It'll take some time.
-- Nah, that's just my Asperger's kickin' in.
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Tobin Shalim
Eclipse Industrials Quantum Forge
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Posted - 2010.06.16 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba Edited by: Chribba on 16/06/2010 12:38:35
I came.
This. There are days when I love being a tech geek. This is one of them.
Question for CCP: I know that there have been rankings in the past comparing Eve's cluster to other supercomputers/systems in the world. How does the new hardware compare/improve the listing? -----
Originally by: Gierling Tech III is going to be "Fully modular" until someone crams the "EW Bonus" modules together with the "8 Midslots" modules...
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2010.06.16 17:52:00 -
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Geek Girl chiming in.
I love the more technical blogs that you guys put together. It's always fun to get a behind-the-scenes look at things. I'm really impressed that you're able to do so much with so little hardware. I thought the TQ cluster had many more machines than this!
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Dacil Arandur
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Posted - 2010.06.16 17:52:00 -
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My company uses VMWare in three of our datacenters for high availability e-commerce stuff. It's mostly running on x3650 M2s, some x3850s, and we have several full blade chassis in our Ontario Canada DC. There are definitely advantages. Portability, ease of new server deployment, snapshots, and backups are fantastic, but there is still a performance hit having that extra layer. (And the vSphere client crashes a lot, which is super annoying.)
Also, I'm sure the TQ cluster is much more efficient at moving solar system instances around than VMWare would be. I find a 2K3 server can take quite a bit longer than "a few minutes" to migrate to a different host under very high load conditions.
Anyway, I LOVE reading these tech blogs and am very much looking forward to the next one!
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Qoi
New Eden Warriors
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Posted - 2010.06.16 17:52:00 -
[80]
Best devblog for a long time, thank you very much for sharing
(Can i visit you and fondle those blades? Just once. )
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 17:55:00 -
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Greetings Professor Falken. Do you want to play a game?
Apply | Sigs
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Dakisha
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.16 17:55:00 -
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Glanced over, but didn't spot anyone ask this before, but...
I work with virtulisation myself (hosting), and think I can see the basics of the way you're going around splitting nodes across cpus/cores, etc.
And so I have to ask. How come, given the seriousness of lag in 0.0 these days - that you've not upgraded to modern cpu's? We've got quad and six core cpu's on more efficient platforms these days doing the same clockspeed but doing so much more.
And as for lag prediction - in part, someone drops an SBU - reinforce system. If my understanding is correct (and it could be completely wrong) then even without a full hardware upgrade - we're only talking about dropping a few grand on a few nice machines for further reinforced systems.
Surely cores/cpu power is a fairly significant part of the issue?
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Lord XSiV
Amarr Digital Research - Omega Protocol
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Posted - 2010.06.16 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Yokai Edited by: CCP Yokai on 16/06/2010 14:26:51 "Did you guys consider the Cisco UCS for the blade servers?"
We have a great relationship with Cisco. They have some very cool toys and we try not to keep our eyes open for anything that makes TQ better. That being said, the IBM blades have been so good and the IBM team are working hand in hand with our team to make TQ better. We never stop looking for the best.
Well this partially explains the reason for the lag. Cisco is low to mid tier equipment at best - if you want to push some serious traffic then you need to move up to some real gear from Juniper or even Brocade. Heck you could even use a Fortinet solution and get superior performance more cost effectively and add in security....
I guess the other reason could be attributed to the junk gear you got from IBM. To those posting here who think that set up is impressive you may want to reconsider. Sure it would be impressive for your basement but for a commercial operation that kind of setup is very inefficient (12 racks for only 280 cores?) and would be way overpriced coming from IBM. Not to mention the extra money thy needs to be spent for electrical and added HVAC requirements. A better solution would be going with either hp or a custom bespoke solution (in fact there is a great company in London specializing in super computing) for better performance and efficiency at a much lower cost. You go with IBM for mainframe, not commodity based hardware.
The only real good thing is the storage from TMS - then again there isn't much choice for vendors in that department.
So CCP is probably paying 2-3 times as much for this setup as they should be; fire your architect/systems integrator and spend the money on a qualified one. Doing so would pay for itself rather quickly and provide a much better infrastructure. Just ask Sony how it went with the Matrix Online and IBM's "On Demand" solutions - more like IBM screwing them "On Demand" :)
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Aisley Tyrion
DAB
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Posted - 2010.06.16 17:58:00 -
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All I can say is...
Prepare for unforeseen consequences.
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Taxesarebad
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Posted - 2010.06.16 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Camios
Originally by: CCP Yokai "Just try to keep use abit more in the loop would be great."
That is the plan. There are lots of exciting things brewing in Virtual World Operations right now...
As I mentioned, upcoming blog posts will talk about what we are doing for:
-Remapping EVE -Next Level Fleet Fights -Hot Spot Prediction
-Remapping EVE: what's this? hope it's not bad news
-Next Level Fleet Fights: Is the current level working? If not, why are we already at the next level?
hmmmm btw sounds interesting. hurry up with those devblogs!
-Remapping EVE -- whats this? i hope amarr conquers minmatar -Next Level Fleet Fights-- this must when all cap ship pilots are at the level 5 skill instead of 4 -Hot Spot Prediction -- Florida, texas, Icelands volcano, africa it stays hot in th same places all the time...
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XenosisReaper
Rising Ashes Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Aisley Tyrion All I can say is...
Prepare for unforeseen consequences.
that just made me remember how ****ing mad I am at Valve for ****ing not announcing HLep3.
You meany
Originally by: XenosisReaper
/me feels left out because he was ignored by the devtrain
Originally by: CCP Shadow
You are hereby "un-ignored". The name XenosisReaper will live on forever
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Molly Cutter
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Posted - 2010.06.16 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: glas mir
Originally by: Molly Cutter
...64 blades is too round number (IT round) to be ignored. Perhaps cluster is at infrastructure limit already? And next step is what - 128?
Clusters tend to grow by powers of 2 because of communication efficiency - a major bottleneck in multiprocessor programming. For instance you can reduce a value from all nodes to a single one in log base 2 time. So reducing 65 nodes takes the same time as reducing 128.
/agreed My point was exactly that, thanks for clearing it up. It is just that if doubling cluster size would fix everything that would be cheapest solution of them all. That, however, may not be case. By the look of it, general direction that first step is upgrade on cluster communication infrastructure may show us light.
In real life, some decisions, made years ago, in that era, may come back later and bite us in the a**. Happened to me few times, and i can see it here. But it easy for me to cripple my system for a week and than deploy new one. For CCP that may be pretty darn close to mission impossible (on different levels). But I am happy to see it moving somewhere.
*** but yeah, it really look little undersized isn't it? :D
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.06.16 18:07:00 -
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I don't know why, I get this feeling of us playing with our new little Lego toy aka PI and at the same time at CCP they are about to play with another Lego toy, including managing something like power grid, CPU and so on.
Quote:
So CCP is probably paying 2-3 times as much for this setup as they should be; fire your architect/systems integrator and spend the money on a qualified one
I think if CCP built the architecture today they'd also do different choices. But no, they have legacy to care about and also some strict service availability parameters to honor. I don't see them going down to re-engineer the whole thing with 3 weeks of downtime for us to enjoy. - Auditing & consulting
When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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A3A3EJ1b
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Posted - 2010.06.16 18:12:00 -
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I propose to place a server EVE in space .. geostationary orbit .. :) Pluses: 1. cosmic cold. 2. solar energy. 3. lack of earthly disasters.
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Swidgen
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Posted - 2010.06.16 18:18:00 -
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I make the over-under on the TQ restart time to be no sooner than 20:00 on 23 June.
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Eleventh Bride
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Posted - 2010.06.16 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Lord XSiV
Originally by: CCP Yokai Edited by: CCP Yokai on 16/06/2010 14:26:51 "Did you guys consider the Cisco UCS for the blade servers?"
We have a great relationship with Cisco. They have some very cool toys and we try not to keep our eyes open for anything that makes TQ better. That being said, the IBM blades have been so good and the IBM team are working hand in hand with our team to make TQ better. We never stop looking for the best.
Well this partially explains the reason for the lag. Cisco is low to mid tier equipment at best - if you want to push some serious traffic then you need to move up to some real gear from Juniper or even Brocade. Heck you could even use a Fortinet solution and get superior performance more cost effectively and add in security....
I guess the other reason could be attributed to the junk gear you got from IBM. To those posting here who think that set up is impressive you may want to reconsider. Sure it would be impressive for your basement but for a commercial operation that kind of setup is very inefficient (12 racks for only 280 cores?) and would be way overpriced coming from IBM. Not to mention the extra money thy needs to be spent for electrical and added HVAC requirements. A better solution would be going with either hp or a custom bespoke solution (in fact there is a great company in London specializing in super computing) for better performance and efficiency at a much lower cost. You go with IBM for mainframe, not commodity based hardware.
The only real good thing is the storage from TMS - then again there isn't much choice for vendors in that department.
So CCP is probably paying 2-3 times as much for this setup as they should be; fire your architect/systems integrator and spend the money on a qualified one. Doing so would pay for itself rather quickly and provide a much better infrastructure. Just ask Sony how it went with the Matrix Online and IBM's "On Demand" solutions - more like IBM screwing them "On Demand" :)
The thing is, you're thinking only about cores. The IBM bladecenter set-up they have looks to me to be built to maximize bus path width per core. With four cores per blade and only 8GB of memory per core, I'm more concerned with memory management than anything else--imagine what happens to a fleet fight when the node starts to swap. I wouldn't go to anyone but IBM for blades, especially not if I want them delivered and maintained in Europe.
Personally, I don't like local disk at all on blades. A blade is FRU, boot it off the SAN and all you have to do is update your acls when one dies. But that's just my philosophy.
Ciscos can easily handle 66 nodes, which seems to fall into mid-tier to me.
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CCP Yokai
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Posted - 2010.06.16 18:39:00 -
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Tobin Shalim - I know that there have been rankings in the past comparing Eve's cluster to other supercomputers/systems in the world. How does the new hardware compare/improve the listing?
Answer - Not even close to the top 500... the lowest one on the list this year was 5136 cores... while cores alone do not quantify performance... 280 vs. 5136 is still pretty far away from that group.
Andrea Griffin - I thought the TQ cluster had many more machines than this!
Answer - It has changed over the years and at one point had alot more servers. but with multi core the quantity of servers needed actually goes down even through player numbers and PCU goes up. Love progress.
Qoi - Can i visit you and fondle those blades? Just once.
Answer - No, but how about some video and pics? It's on the way.
Dakisha - How come, given the seriousness of lag in 0.0 these days - that you've not upgraded to modern cpu's?
Answer - The list today is well... from today. We are looking for good reasons to make changes, but they have to make significant impact. Since peak capacity on a node is so important for fights, 3.33GHz even on an older generation is still very high end. Give me some 10GHz CPU's and I'd be all over it.
Lord XSiV - fire your architect/systems integrator and spend the money on a qualified one.
Answer - I'm the new guy... give me a few days ;) We do have Brocade, and for Cisco it is not as simple as better or worse... finding the right solution... WS6748-ge-tx with DFC3's makes a significant impact on side to side switching. In anycase... as mentioned, only so much can be done on the internal network to help. Clock speed is still the big issue today.
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G'Kar5
Gallente Intaki Research and Manufacturing Distorted Percepts
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Posted - 2010.06.16 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Lord XSiV
Originally by: CCP Yokai Edited by: CCP Yokai on 16/06/2010 14:26:51 "Did you guys consider the Cisco UCS for the blade servers?"
We have a great relationship with Cisco. They have some very cool toys and we try not to keep our eyes open for anything that makes TQ better. That being said, the IBM blades have been so good and the IBM team are working hand in hand with our team to make TQ better. We never stop looking for the best.
Well this partially explains the reason for the lag. Cisco is low to mid tier equipment at best - if you want to push some serious traffic then you need to move up to some real gear from Juniper or even Brocade. Heck you could even use a Fortinet solution and get superior performance more cost effectively and add in security....
What are you smoking? Cisco is some of the best networking gear out there. Granted, Juniper is in the same class but nothing else is even close. You could also maybe use Brocade(Foundary) or Extreme for low end switching. I take it you work for Fortinet?
While the 7600 is not the greatest platform out there (being replaced by Juniper MX and Cisco ASR9K), its still one of the best performing platforms for the price. It is WAY overkill for what CCP needs. Most of the lag is either propagation delay (good luck going faster than 2/3 speed of light) or server lag anyway.
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RatKnight1
Gallente Mahdi Followers
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Posted - 2010.06.16 18:47:00 -
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Didn't think I recognized that name, lol.
I am a networking major, and I will say that my one issue with Cisco is some of their outdated interfaces. I had to learn how to use the Cisco console... not too much fun, gimme DOS any day, lol.
It is nice to see that they have someone who knows what they are talking about handling this.
Now, I am setting gallente industrial to train to 5, which should, unless you guys drop the servers while you are moving them, be able to handle any amount of downtime, lol.
Good Luck! [url=http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=RatKnight1][/u |
Musical Fist
Gallente The Unknown Bar and Pub
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Posted - 2010.06.16 18:49:00 -
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Will this affect the lag issue at all? -- Emo TraderJohn's Number 1 Fan!! |
CrazzyElk
Big Shadows Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 18:50:00 -
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Is there an approximate guesstimate on the ETA of the next blog. As in during this summer or more during the fall or even longer?
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Spurty
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.16 18:55:00 -
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Something funny about a character named "Fallout" talking about a hardware upgrade.
I suspect I'll be at about day 15 into one of too many 45day skills I'm working on during 2010.
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Hawk TT
Caldari Bulgarian Experienced Crackers Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.16 19:46:00 -
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Edited by: Hawk TT on 16/06/2010 19:51:53 I am very happy about CCP's plans to unveil more info about the EVE Cluster ;-) Thanks CCP Fallout & CCP Yokai
I have several questions:
1. SOL Nodes Currently all SOL nodes use IBM HS21 blades with 2 x Intel Xeon 5260 3.3GHz Wolfdale CPUs (45nm, Dual-Core part w/ the same microarchitecture as Xeon 5400 series). The HS21 blades are limited to 4 memory sockets (8 with HS21XM), so 32GB of DDR2 RAM is the maximum with 8GB DIMMs and it is EXPENSIVE (4x8GB). You've mentioned in this Dev Blog that you are going to test Nehalem (a.k.a. Xeon 5500 series)
Ok, have you tested HS22 w/ Intel Xeon 5667 3.06/3.43GHz? It's a 4 core Westmere 32nm CPU (one generation ahead of Nehalem)? The fastest CPU bin IBM would fit in a blade (95W TDP limit) is Xeon X5667 @ 3.06GHz, but it has turbo-boost, so one of the cores could go up to 3.43GHz. If you combine this with the QPI benefits and other microarchitecture enhancements, you would have much better performance. Let's see Intel X5600 vs X5200/X5400 series & HS22 vs HS21 blades: - 200-300% memory bandwidth improvement (QPI vs. FSB) - 40% memory latency reduction (QPI vs. FSB) - 200% cache memory size w/ completely different cache hierarchy and much lower latency - 50% more RAM capacity w/ the fastest cheap 4GB DDR3 1333MHz modules (12 x 4GB vs 4 x 8GB)
Of course it depends if SOL nodes are memory-performance-sensitive and also if some 50% extra memory capacity would benefit their scalablility, i.e. Jita & Fleet Battles. Apart from the QPI benefits the IPC performance per core of Westmere vs. Wolfdale are not so significant, though there are some specific cases with unaligned cache access etc. Anyway, in most real-world benchmarks 5500/5600 series show 40-50% single-threaded performance increase @ same clock speed!
Correct me if I am wrong, but SOL nodes should benefit from Intel QPI, larger & faster caches, more memory, more memory channels & bandwidth, Intel Turbo-Boost feature for single-threaded apps?
2. Database Nodes Nehalem / Westmere could speed up your SQL servers by 200-300%...No brainer here ;-)
3. Mechanical HDDs in Blades? This is strange...Why not "Boot from SAN"? No, I am not talking about FC HBAs, iSCSI could do it for you without expensive HBAs for each blade... Replacing faulty HDDs is a hassle...
4. Blade I/O modules What I/O modules do you use in the IBM BladeCenters: Pass-through modules or Blade Switches? Pass-through modules = more cables & clutter, but less latency and better features
Last, but not least, the consolidation of your racks in a (what seems to be) dedicated "Cold Aisle Containment" means you could shortned the cable lentghts... Any news on the Infiniband HPC stuff? We all know that the bottleneck is in the single-OS-threaded server code, but still... ;-)
Best regards, Hawk
P.S. Keep up the amazing work!
___________________________________ Science & Diplomacy Manager @ BECKS Circle-of-Two |
Vahz Rex
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Posted - 2010.06.16 19:50:00 -
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Yokai, you briefly mention management tools in the dev blog, any chance you will cover this more in future blogs?
Curious if you use tools from Microsoft such as OpsMgr, or tools from IBM/HP/Cisco.
Great post btw!, as an IT admin it was appreciated very much. =)
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Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy Spreadsheets Online
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Posted - 2010.06.16 19:53:00 -
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Quote: Step three: Pics or it didn't happen
We are going to continue the information sharing about the infrastructure that makes EVE work on the next installment. Although not everyone gets excited about cabinets and a datacenter, there are a few that do.
I so do. Infact I work with those very same ibm racks at work :)
Quote: Servers 64 x IBM HS21 2x Dual Core 3.33GHz CPU's 32GB of RAM Each 1x72GB HDD Each
dont the HS21s usually come with RHEL? odd choice.
Quote:
Cores - 280 total Cores - ~1 THz
Flops? Linpack gogogogo
Have you guys actually deployed Microsoft's HPC? ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded. |
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Avenger1
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Posted - 2010.06.16 19:58:00 -
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Nice one CCP, Cool can I have an invite to watch it happen? :D
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Hustomte
Universal Development And Security
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:07:00 -
[102]
Is it possible to get this very important announcement added to the Eve-Gate calendar? I know people who don't regularly check the homepage and having this up there may help...
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Steve Celeste
Caldari Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:08:00 -
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CeeCeePee I DEMAND next level fleet fights!! Whyyyyy am I even paying you for current level fleet fights *shakes fist
Keep up the good work guys.
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:10:00 -
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Edited by: Barakkus on 16/06/2010 20:11:34
Originally by: CCP Yokai "why not have a huge VM array?"
We get this question a lot and the answer is pretty simple. Think of a server, even a very big one as a loaf of bread. Each time you make a slice you leave some crumbs behind (the overhead of VMÆs) no matter how small or efficient the slicing the fact is you donÆt get the peak capacity you could if it were dedicated to the one service.
In Eve we already virtualize so to speak by distributing solar systems onto servers based on usage data. But we donÆt need the overhead of many of those popular virtualization software providers when we do need to dedicate a node to Jita, Fleet Fights, etc. So, in some waysà Eve is very virtualized and very good at it.
This is what I've been beating into my boss' head for the last 2 years. He found out about virtualization and he wanted to virtualize EVERYTHING in the office...I fought tooth and nail to keep some things on dedicated servers. Had to do the same thing when he found out about iSCSI...he figured a heavily loaded Exchange server and PostgreSQL server would be great on iSCSI
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Kasturi Levolor
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Yokai Edited by: CCP Yokai on 16/06/2010 14:26:51 "Did you guys consider the Cisco UCS for the blade servers?"
We have a great relationship with Cisco. They have some very cool toys and we try not to keep our eyes open for anything that makes TQ better. That being said, the IBM blades have been so good and the IBM team are working hand in hand with our team to make TQ better. We never stop looking for the best.
The UCS solution is very good for virtualized and for solutions where many if not most of the servers need lots of connection types (fiberchannel, Gig-E, Infiniband, Etc...) The EVE code is quite amazing that we can get 60,000 plus players on 64 servers with only Gig-E connectivity. Do some research and see how many servers someone like a game about secondary life needs to operate at that level.
Not to keep pimping future blogs... but, the next one is all About how we map EVE's 7929 solar systems (w/wormholes) onto those 50 or so nodes that handle solar systems and make sure the one you are playing in has the correct load. That's where we'll make the most noticable impact on performance in the short term.
I could be wrong but wouldnt it be better if you kept your eyes open for things that would make TQ better?
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Dacil Arandur
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:17:00 -
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Several of the hosting providers my company works with have done server moves in the past, and most of them had webcams or some sort of streaming video of the operation.
What are the chances something like that could happen for this big move? Might not have the same audience as the alliance tournament, but I'm sure some of us would love to watch. It seems there are lots of us professional IT folks here. I find the best part of my IT job is that I can play a little bit of EVE at work... lol
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Miriallia Clyne
Gallente Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:19:00 -
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Awesome upgrades are always welcome!
What about the Infiband interconnects that were mentioned a while back to increase the compute power of the whole cluster ?
Also see you have APC in there but why not going for APC InRow cooling for high density ?
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Reborn Master
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:20:00 -
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Upgraded to squirrel-class.
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HenkieBoy
Best Path Inc. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:27:00 -
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"the lag doesn't seem as bad as long as your keeping us in the loop as to how your trying to fix it" <- this
What I do wonder: When a player jumps from one system to another the player 'object' gets moved to another server which hosts that system? And if so, does it mean if communications between servers gets better we get less lag and 'trafic controls' when large fleets jump into other systems?
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Krimishkev
Out of Order Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:36:00 -
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What you say!!
Next level fleet fights?
WHATEVER DOES THIS MEANS???
PLEASE TELL. THX!
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Clansworth
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:43:00 -
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Edited by: Clansworth on 16/06/2010 20:44:14
Originally by: HenkieBoy What I do wonder: When a player jumps from one system to another the player 'object' gets moved to another server which hosts that system? And if so, does it mean if communications between servers gets better we get less lag and 'trafic controls' when large fleets jump into other systems?
I doubt there is an 'object' representing your character that moves from here to there. Instead, I'm near certain all that happens is the location data in the SQL for your ship is changed to reflect your new location, and the client reconnects to the new 'session' (hence the in-game terminology), which may or may not be processed by a different node in the cluster. In the end, i don't think there's many transactions at all from SOL to SOL. Instead, everything is SOL to/from the database servers, with the SOL's simply managing how that database info changes, and serving requests from the client. Intel/Nomad |
Lee Dalton
RUSSIAN PRIDE POWER HONOUR JUSTICE
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:47:00 -
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What are the RAM SAN and SSD SAN dedicated to?
(I'm guessing the RAMSAN holds the main DB? ... ) *** I AM A RUS HON SUPERSTAR |
Liorah
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Forum Alterson It's annoying how hard Virtualization has been pushed, that people think it's a solution everyone needs. VMs are great if you want to buy large hardware, to run multiple server instances. If the EVE Server Application moves nodes between servers to load balance, what could they possibly gain by adding a Hypervisor overhead on-top of that?
Virtualization is great for some things. In my experience with it, and based on the descriptions of what TQ had to accomplish as far as reinforcing nodes and whatnot, with the problems they're having now at actually doing this, VMware's VMotion would seem to be an appropriate fit. Sure, there is undoubtedly room for improvement in VMware's code; no software is ever perfect.
However, as I noted, this was written not understanding exactly what they're doing now, which a future devblog promised to discuss. If they're already using a custom solution, then you're right, they wouldn't need an extra layer of complexity to do what they're already doing. Although, if they -are- using a custom solution, depending on the specifics, it may not be the most efficient, and something else tried and tested by millions of other customers may be better. By definition a custom solution doesn't have widespread testing or adoption. It all depends on what they're doing now and whether these upcoming changes help solve the problem, or only merely buy them some extra time.
We're not the ones who can make that decision anyway; all we can do is make suggestions based on our own experiences and knowledge, looking at the particular problem set presented by this game. If their network team feels their current methods are superior, they're the ones who should know the most about it to make the best decisions. However, if after the move things don't improve, revisiting vetoed suggestions might not hurt.
If the blade servers don't turn out to be powerful enough, they may even need to move away from them and make each hardware cluster node something more powerful. Anything could be possible, and we the player-base wouldn't really know the right solution.
CCP Yulai, I look forward to reading your next devblog. Thanks!
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Grez
M. Corp Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:57:00 -
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It's a shame Intel still tout the FSB when HT is far, far faster. One hopes that they'll change it one day, and CCP will take-up the servers!
Much <3 on this dev blog, PLEASE do more like it VERY soon! ---
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Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Yokai "why not have a huge VM array?" We get this question a lot and the answer is pretty simple. Think of a server, even a very big one as a loaf of bread. Each time you make a slice you leave some crumbs behind (the overhead of VMÆs) no matter how small or efficient the slicing the fact is you donÆt get the peak capacity you could if it were dedicated to the one service.
You don't consider the ability to seamlessly transfer nodes to new hardware and dynamically reallocate resources to struggling nodes worthwhile?
Rather than buying all that IBM hardware you should have sat down with an IBM consulting team and figured out how you can improve your product.
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falcon216
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:45:00 -
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Well it is good to see that the server's are getting the attention they deserve, especially the cooling part. Now I have read through the thread, but i could have missed the questions i am about to ask:
1st) Will large scale fleet battles be less prone to lag? 2nd) With the upgrades that were mentioned will loading between systems increase? 3rd) Will these upgrades to TQ also be a part of DUST 514, or will that itself be a stand alone server?
-falc Ω
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Hawk TT
Caldari Bulgarian Experienced Crackers Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:50:00 -
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Edited by: Hawk TT on 16/06/2010 21:55:04
Originally by: Grez It's a shame Intel still tout the FSB when HT is far, far faster. One hopes that they'll change it one day, and CCP will take-up the servers!
Much <3 on this dev blog, PLEASE do more like it VERY soon!
You could read my post above...
Intel introduced QPI (Quick-Path-Link, which is their version of HT) with Nehalem (Core i7 / Xeon 55xx). Now we are talking about Westmere-EP a.k.a. Xeon 56xx series CPUs with even better I/O, Memory & Cache performance...
CCP/EVE need less CPU cores, but cores with the highest frequency and IPC performance (Intstructions per Cycle), because of the single-threaded (at OS level!!!) nature of their server code. Without going into details, Stackless Python has great benefits, but also some serious drawbacks...Google it ;-) Most of the server-side logic is written in Stackless Python and runs on thousands of micro-threads in parallel, but one SOL grid, with all its micro-threads runs on one OS-thread, on a single CPU core...And it's not that CCP was stupid - 8-10 years ago, when EVE was still in development, Intel's "mantra" was "MHz is KING", so they were promising 10GHz / 20GHz CPUs...The old days of the "Netburst architecture"...CCP needed really multi-threaded language in a "Single-CPU-Core World", so they've picked Stackless Python...10 years later, "MHz is not King", but "Multi-Core / Many-Core" is king ;-). It's too late to re-write milions of lines of code...
Anyway - about AMD HT vs. Intel FSB vs. Intel PI: Read this page carefully: 12C Magny-Cours vs. 6C Xeon 56xx - Memory Bandwidth, Cache & Memory Latency. Xeon is more efficient, but the latest Opteron has 4 vs. Intel's 3 memory channels per socket. The Wolfdales used by CCP for the SOL Blades still use the old FSB @ ___________________________________ Science & Diplomacy Manager @ BECKS Circle-of-Two |
Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Forum Alterson It's annoying how hard Virtualization has been pushed, that people think it's a solution everyone needs. VMs are great if you want to buy large hardware, to run multiple server instances. If the EVE Server Application moves nodes between servers to load balance, what could they possibly gain by adding a Hypervisor overhead on-top of that?
It's pretty clear that the Eve Server Application doesn't do anything under load except fail. (The NC are being Y-2'd even as we speak.)
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Lord XSiV
Amarr Digital Research - Omega Protocol
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Yokai
Lord XSiV - fire your architect/systems integrator and spend the money on a qualified one.
Answer - I'm the new guy... give me a few days ;) We do have Brocade, and for Cisco it is not as simple as better or worse... finding the right solution... WS6748-ge-tx with DFC3's makes a significant impact on side to side switching. In anycase... as mentioned, only so much can be done on the internal network to help. Clock speed is still the big issue today.
Ok I will cut you some slack then. Plus the mess you got left with isn't a fun thing to deal with (been there, done that, in fact way too often) and imho, you should be able to flog the ignorant who created the mess. But you should take the opportunity to toss around some cliche terms - "forklift" and "nuking" comes to mind. They always get management on edge which is where they should be.
But really, you do have an extremely inefficient design - looks to be a typical 'IBM' solution where they get you to buy way too much underpowered junk than you need and would be better served with a simpler solution. Realistically for the horsepower stated you could easily cut down the rack space to 3-4 using some of the more modern solutions out there. Factor in the cost savings from electrical, hvac and dc space you are looking at some serious cost savings right away.
And yeah, this isn't even close to being considered a 'super computer', in fact it wouldn't even be considered a 'mini' these days.
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Lord XSiV
Amarr Digital Research - Omega Protocol
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: G'Kar5
Originally by: Lord XSiV
Originally by: CCP Yokai Edited by: CCP Yokai on 16/06/2010 14:26:51 "Did you guys consider the Cisco UCS for the blade servers?"
We have a great relationship with Cisco. They have some very cool toys and we try not to keep our eyes open for anything that makes TQ better. That being said, the IBM blades have been so good and the IBM team are working hand in hand with our team to make TQ better. We never stop looking for the best.
Well this partially explains the reason for the lag. Cisco is low to mid tier equipment at best - if you want to push some serious traffic then you need to move up to some real gear from Juniper or even Brocade. Heck you could even use a Fortinet solution and get superior performance more cost effectively and add in security....
What are you smoking? Cisco is some of the best networking gear out there. Granted, Juniper is in the same class but nothing else is even close. You could also maybe use Brocade(Foundary) or Extreme for low end switching. I take it you work for Fortinet?
While the 7600 is not the greatest platform out there (being replaced by Juniper MX and Cisco ASR9K), its still one of the best performing platforms for the price. It is WAY overkill for what CCP needs. Most of the lag is either propagation delay (good luck going faster than 2/3 speed of light) or server lag anyway.
Your ignorance is obvious.
Cisco isn't used for anything important, just low end enterprise class. People think it is a good choice mainly because they don't know any better. When you get into moving massive amounts of traffic across large areas (or need very low latency, high bandwidth locally) then you go with some real hardware from Juniper.
I can let you in on a little secret in the tele/datacom space - Cisco isn't a hardware manufacturer, they create software. They make their money off IOS support contracts. The hardware is only a fraction of the cost (less than 5%) of purchase price leaving 95% for the services end. Essentially they outsource all of their production to the lowest cost bidders and use 'jit' production/distribution. This is why Cisco has one of the highest rate for port failures on their switching equipment; it is easier (and cheaper) for them to replace the gear under service contract as it ensures the client continues to pay for that contract.
Real companies that are part of critical infrastructure can't risk the downtime and poor performance offered by the Cisco line which is why you only see Juniper, Alcatel, Eriksson and even some old Nortel stuff used for major backbones by any of the 3 IECs. The smaller guys compromise and go with the Cisco junk and more often than not have a higher rate of occurrence for outages which at the end of the day costs them high end customers.
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joe hamil
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:22:00 -
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this is the one of the things that CCP does really well, i have played many MMO's before and givena lag issue or something server side, it is all very "hush hush" like it never exisited, and that the players somehow would never comprehend the complex workings of their servers or system.
but here the devs and engineers of our game, and the people that play all seem to be on the same level, honest and willing to help
in a way this is what i think makes eve online brilliant
and i am glad to have a small part in it.
ty for the insight into your end CCP, i will keep on turning up to mass testing as often as i can
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Jaime Wulfe
Amarr Space Marine Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:25:00 -
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Damn I love upgrade time!
Envy Envy Envy!!!
Good Luck CCP!! Jaime Wulfe CEO XNSCX |
Musical Fist
Gallente The Unknown Bar and Pub
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:27:00 -
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Im confused still
How exactly will this affect players, I understand the technical side keeps getting spoke about but what exactly will it change for new players if anything?
What changes can we see after the 23rd?
Will this kill the lagg monster?
etc etc etc -- Emo TraderJohn's Number 1 Fan!! |
Rikki Sals
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:51:00 -
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10 ml epinephrine straight to the jugular should do it!!
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Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus This is what I've been beating into my boss' head for the last 2 years. He found out about virtualization and he wanted to virtualize EVERYTHING in the office...I fought tooth and nail to keep some things on dedicated servers. Had to do the same thing when he found out about iSCSI...he figured a heavily loaded Exchange server and PostgreSQL server would be great on iSCSI
I used to run a fifty thousand user exchange 2k3 cluster on iSCSI, it works like a dream. [Compared to the alternative.]
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Olleybear
I R' Carebear
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Posted - 2010.06.16 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Musical Fist Im confused still...
How exactly will this affect players...
Will this kill the lagg monster?
1) CCP is increasing the size of the datacenter housing TQ.
2) At the same time they are increasing their server to server network capacity by 800%. They are expecting the increased network capacity to reduce lag.
3) They then go on to show the current TQ servers.
4) ** My Speculation ** By increasing both the size of the datacenter and the server to server network capacity, it sounds like our beloved TQ is about to get more/more powerfull servers. This will also reduce lag.
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StuffYouFear
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Posted - 2010.06.16 23:06:00 -
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Nice to hear what runs this crazy game, and love the shiny pic's :D looking forward to the next devblog
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Musical Fist
Gallente The Unknown Bar and Pub
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Posted - 2010.06.16 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Olleybear
Originally by: Musical Fist Im confused still...
How exactly will this affect players...
Will this kill the lagg monster?
1) CCP is increasing the size of the datacenter housing TQ.
2) At the same time they are increasing their server to server network capacity by 800%. They are expecting the increased network capacity to reduce lag.
3) They then go on to show the current TQ servers.
4) ** My Speculation ** By increasing both the size of the datacenter and the server to server network capacity, it sounds like our beloved TQ is about to get more/more powerfull servers. This will also reduce lag.
Cool thanks, now that I see it my comment may have came across a little *****y which wasnt my intention I was just confused on how we (players) benefitted from this :) -- Emo TraderJohn's Number 1 Fan!! |
ihcn
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Posted - 2010.06.16 23:24:00 -
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Not "no lag ever" though. Just an improvement.
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smaster
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Yokai Edited by: CCP Yokai on 16/06/2010 14:26:51Do some research and see how many servers someone like a game about secondary life needs to operate at that level.
The last time I was doing second life, there was no lag and no users yelling at their computers, hammering their keyboards in rage.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Amicus Morte Shock an Awe
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:18:00 -
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I'm a little turned on right now
Also :
OMG, THE EVE APOCALYPSE IS NIGH ! Sol: A microwarp drive? In a battleship? Are you insane? They arenÆt built for this! Clear Skies - The Movie
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Cinori Aluben
Minmatar Gladiators of Rage Honourable Templum of Alcedonia
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:22:00 -
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CCP Yokai, you have imbued me with much confidence in your capabilities, it looks as though CCP has done a very good thing in promoting you. Great job responding to comments in this thread, and I eagerly look forward to your next blog!
You'll find there's quite a few EVE players who are specialists in just about any area (I'm only an amateur IT fan, Structural Engineering is my main focus), and CCP gains much by listening to their free consultations (though some may come across as rants).
Now don't let us down!
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Dacil Arandur
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: smaster The last time I was doing second life, there was no lag and no users yelling at their computers, hammering their keyboards in rage.
That's because the hands of people who play Second Life are busy doing other things...
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lceman
Gallente Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:28:00 -
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Is ccp gonna or currently testing out using GPU's to run server code with. Both ati and nvidia offers this on their newer cards such as nvidia cuda, ati stream.
I belive they of better way of scaling and loadbalancing, and in many ways better processing power.
Confirm/deny please with pictures of tests results :)
next stop 5x sli/crossfire for the server room. imo this interesting, cause it gives more ways to choose to upgrade hardware.
If what not is, what is ?. |
Chiralos
Epitoth Fleet Yards
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:41:00 -
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Edited by: Chiralos on 17/06/2010 00:42:42
Originally by: A3A3EJ1b I propose to place a server EVE in space .. geostationary orbit .. :) Pluses: 1. cosmic cold. 2. solar energy. 3. lack of earthly disasters.
Minuses: 1. adding 250ms to everyone's ping 2. service call-out fee 3. danger of mutant space-hamsters Amarr Victor. |
Inara Brey
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Posted - 2010.06.17 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Hawk TT Edited by: Hawk TT on 16/06/2010 19:51:53
Ok, have you tested HS22 w/ Intel Xeon 5667 3.06/3.43GHz? It's a 4 core Westmere 32nm CPU (one generation ahead of Nehalem)? The fastest CPU bin IBM would fit in a blade (95W TDP limit) is Xeon X5667 @ 3.06GHz, but it has turbo-boost, so one of the cores could go up to 3.43GHz. If you combine this with the QPI benefits and other microarchitecture enhancements, you would have much better performance. Let's see Intel X5600 vs X5200/X5400 series & HS22 vs HS21 blades: - 200-300% memory bandwidth improvement (QPI vs. FSB) - 40% memory latency reduction (QPI vs. FSB) - 200% cache memory size w/ completely different cache hierarchy and much lower latency - 50% more RAM capacity w/ the fastest cheap 4GB DDR3 1333MHz modules (12 x 4GB vs 4 x 8GB)
Listening to my IBM Tech Rep *last year*, CCP has seen the HS22. The Blade reps use CCP in presentations ... a lot.
So consider this another vote for an HS22 upgrade. Take it from a "big bank" SA, it is worth the extra heat. Just hot-swap one HS22 blade for Jita (please).
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Lolion Reglo
Interstellar Waffle Conglomerate
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Posted - 2010.06.17 02:35:00 -
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I can see it now... The hamsters who were tired of working in cubicles running in their wheels all day with the over head AC only cooling them off a little bit as they constantly turn their wheels, your upgrading their cubicles to nice offices. each with their own AC vent in the office too.
Better yet your letting them be more social by putting all the offices next to each other which will only increase their productivity cause they're next to their friends. so what is next? a spa treatment package to relax those aching muscles from running the wheels all day to keep them in tip top performance?
hell if it keeps the lag down and keeps the game running more smooth i say break out the tiki torches, pour them a margarita and start to fan them with palm leaves to treat them like gods...rofl.
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CommanderShepard1
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Posted - 2010.06.17 02:50:00 -
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The new gear looks sexxxxxxy
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Kern Hotha
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Posted - 2010.06.17 02:50:00 -
[139]
Extra cold hamsters.
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EdwardNardella
Capital Construction Research
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Posted - 2010.06.17 03:10:00 -
[140]
Have you looked into over clocking on all or some machines? CCRES is recruiting pilots who want to live in WSpace/Wormholes. Fill out an application here! |
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Digital Solaris
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Posted - 2010.06.17 03:20:00 -
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But will it run Crysis? |
TheShadow001
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Posted - 2010.06.17 04:28:00 -
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Awesome! I love hearing about the technology behind EVE. It makes me all tingly inside.
<rant> It's good to hear that code is being optimized. All to often IT is asked to throw hardware at problems that can be fixed with smarter coding (pet peeve of mine). </rant>
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Anikadir
DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 04:53:00 -
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Nice little space you have there. I manage a few caged cabinets in AU & HK, but haven't seen a covered cool aisle like that before. Do they make much difference? And 79kW, is that allocated or generated for the space?
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Heck pod everyone you pirates, Get off the forums and go kill someone!
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Xearal
Minmatar SOL Industries Kamikaze Project
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Posted - 2010.06.17 04:57:00 -
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Whoohoo! Nice new toys for TQ.. when are you going to install the pool of liquid nitrogen?
<a href="https://eve-search.com/externalLink.asp?l=http%3A%2F%2Frumandmonkey%2Ecom%2Fwidgets%2Ftoys%2Ftestgen%2F6199%2F"><img src="http://stat.rumandmonkey.com/tests/9/9/6199/25764.jpg" title="Industrialist with teeth" alt="Industrialist with teeth" border="0" |
G'Kar5
Gallente Intaki Research and Manufacturing Distorted Percepts
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Posted - 2010.06.17 05:09:00 -
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Edited by: G''Kar5 on 17/06/2010 05:10:26
Originally by: Lord XSiV
Your ignorance is obvious.
Cisco isn't used for anything important, just low end enterprise class. People think it is a good choice mainly because they don't know any better. When you get into moving massive amounts of traffic across large areas (or need very low latency, high bandwidth locally) then you go with some real hardware from Juniper.
I can let you in on a little secret in the tele/datacom space - Cisco isn't a hardware manufacturer, they create software. They make their money off IOS support contracts. The hardware is only a fraction of the cost (less than 5%) of purchase price leaving 95% for the services end. Essentially they outsource all of their production to the lowest cost bidders and use 'jit' production/distribution. This is why Cisco has one of the highest rate for port failures on their switching equipment; it is easier (and cheaper) for them to replace the gear under service contract as it ensures the client continues to pay for that contract.
Real companies that are part of critical infrastructure can't risk the downtime and poor performance offered by the Cisco line which is why you only see Juniper, Alcatel, Eriksson and even some old Nortel stuff used for major backbones by any of the 3 IECs. The smaller guys compromise and go with the Cisco junk and more often than not have a higher rate of occurrence for outages which at the end of the day costs them high end customers.
Sigh... http://www.lightreading.com/ Spend some time on that site.
See for edge router market share: http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/48649
And the Internet core is mostly CRS-1/T1600 btw.
Yes, I know that Cisco doesn't make their own hardware. They just design the ASICs and IBM builds them; they OEM optics, etc. Cisco just assembles the pieces. But nobody really builds their own silicon in house nowadays.
In reality, no router/switch vendor really knows how to spell IP except for Juniper and Cisco. Yes, some companies bought good startups to give them an IP portfolio (Alcatel bought Timetra, Brocade bought Foundary, Ericsson bought Redback). I guess you should consider Huawei too, but I don't trust them at all.
If you want to argue about why CCP should use and MX over a 7600, then there are reasons. Both platforms have their pros and cons. Anyway, this argument is stupid as it pertains to Eve because network latency is not a problem. CCP is still using GE server connections anyway and almost any platform they picked can handle that just fine. If they need huge 10GE density, then I think Force10 is still the best density.
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Lord XSiV
Amarr Digital Research - Omega Protocol
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Posted - 2010.06.17 05:45:00 -
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Originally by: G'Kar5 Edited by: G''Kar5 on 17/06/2010 05:10:26
Sigh... http://www.lightreading.com/ Spend some time on that site.
See for edge router market share: http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/48649
And the Internet core is mostly CRS-1/T1600 btw.
Yes, I know that Cisco doesn't make their own hardware. They just design the ASICs and IBM builds them; they OEM optics, etc. Cisco just assembles the pieces. But nobody really builds their own silicon in house nowadays.
In reality, no router/switch vendor really knows how to spell IP except for Juniper and Cisco. Yes, some companies bought good startups to give them an IP portfolio (Alcatel bought Timetra, Brocade bought Foundary, Ericsson bought Redback). I guess you should consider Huawei too, but I don't trust them at all.
If you want to argue about why CCP should use and MX over a 7600, then there are reasons. Both platforms have their pros and cons. Anyway, this argument is stupid as it pertains to Eve because network latency is not a problem. CCP is still using GE server connections anyway and almost any platform they picked can handle that just fine. If they need huge 10GE density, then I think Force10 is still the best density.
Well I guess you are validating what I stated to a certain extent but are still way off base if you think Cisco produces good product.
Then again you probably aren't or have been, nor will be for matter, in a position to architect a solution of critical significance. This is obvious due to your linkage to lightreading, the basic 'tabloid' equivalent in the tele/datacom space....
Furthermore, Cisco doesn't build their gear, its all outsourced including assembly. They don't even design their ASICs either, that is outsourced as well. As I said earlier they are a software company and that's it. You can drink their 'kool aid' all you want it still doesn't make a difference. Just like their definition of a 'A' class IP address is wrong, but don't tell a CCIE that or he might cry.... So in reality, strike Cisco off your list of vendors knowing 'IP'
I would ramble on more but it would probably be pressing the limits of some NDA points but regardless, it is still considered junk by top tier professionals. The simple and steady rule is you go big iron when important stuff is on the line. These days with the pricing being so low it might be advantageous to go with it anyhow once you factor in TCO. Cisco generally has the highest TCO because you are required to have an expensive support contract in comparison to a less costly support arrangement with Juniper. Plus you have the added knowledge knowing you don't have to worry about hardware failures due to quality issues Cisco is notorious for.
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jaelle Nox
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Posted - 2010.06.17 05:56:00 -
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Well, at last you change server, is that a sign that you anticipate the futur arrival and release of DUST 514 on that node ?
In your architecture, how EVE and DUST will be interract ?
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Xeron Rich
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Posted - 2010.06.17 06:26:00 -
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Edited by: Xeron Rich on 17/06/2010 06:26:13 ccp, you should make a timeline that shows each server improvement made since eve has began. i think it would be interesting to see. we all know how the game evolved, but not how the server evolved behind the game.
PS: let the lag fixing begin (i hope) :)
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rowbin hod
Cloak and Daggers Honourable Templum of Alcedonia
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Posted - 2010.06.17 06:40:00 -
[149]
I'm not sure why you went with cold aisle containment, the ba***rd stepchild of hot aisle containment. Creating a stable environment for the equipment is about the removal of the hot air as opposed to just blowing a load of cold ai at it.
Having said that, if you're still in Soevereign House, the ambient temperature is stupid as Telecity have no concept of an efficeint datacentre layout, so you can never be sure what you're getting.
Maybe you were right with cold aisle. Which is why you did it, I expect.
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Artenac
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Posted - 2010.06.17 07:58:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Trick Novalight Edited by: Trick Novalight on 16/06/2010 13:13:59 As someone who works in a data center and sees moves like this all the time, getting this done in 4 hours will be a HUGE task....that is if they haven't been prepping for this for the past few weeks and the 4 hours of downtime is actually due to copying files
(1x72GB hd? No raid 5? Seems like setting up 15k rpm HDs in raid 5 or raid 10 would help increase the read/write of the SQL database...)
If I Remember right a while back ( 06-07 ) CCP upgraded their disks to TI RanSam 4000's. All glorious top knotch solid state goodness.
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HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.17 09:07:00 -
[151]
well seems like if it works its a good idea
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CeneUJiti
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Posted - 2010.06.17 09:10:00 -
[152]
Will this even reduce 00 lag and crashes to pre-dominion levels? And has our beloved CCP ever admitted that Dominion made things worse?
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Gallion
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Posted - 2010.06.17 09:21:00 -
[153]
I Don't Understand all this Jiberwookie IT Talk but it sounds so epic.
I got thinking what if you need to Expand that room for more systems? By that I mean HDD and Stuffs in those Gallente Cabinets. I know its kinda Early for such a Question.
Also I will bow and kiss the feet of all you @ CCP When I see you @ the next Festival. >hopefully I make it next time<
So the room has Cold Air chilling into the cabinets but why not do something similar on the back area of there as well? (I like the Idea of a Freezer Chilled Computer room).
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RedClaws
Amarr Black Serpent Technologies R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.06.17 09:35:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Gallion
So the room has Cold Air chilling into the cabinets but why not do something similar on the back area of there as well? (I like the Idea of a Freezer Chilled Computer room).
Walk-in Fridge Walk-in Fridge 2 Do it yourself
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Inquisitor Serinity
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Posted - 2010.06.17 10:03:00 -
[155]
I'm working in the IT-Business and i must say...
I WANT TO TOUCH IT :D
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Clansworth
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Posted - 2010.06.17 10:22:00 -
[156]
Originally by: CeneUJiti Will this even reduce 00 lag and crashes to pre-dominion levels?
Aside from your blatant trolling intent here, let me point out that this is mostly a physical move.. aside from some better networking hardware, there is no real 'upgrade' here. This move on the 23rd is all about preparing for future improvements. The current data center was at a physical limit, electrically, thermally, and physically. the new one appears to have a lot more room for future improvements. I'm guessing the DUST514 servers might start off sharing the same locale (more for support purposes than actual performance concerns), even further demanding the extra space.
As for lag concerns, they have been saying for MANY years that the problem is computational speed, and their single core SOL architecture. Until they determine a safe method to break SOL processes up to multiple cores, LAG will still be proportional to system load. The next improvement appears to be some form of auto node remapping, allowing them to more effectively shift SOL's to different machines to 'reinforce' nodes on the fly. It will be a huge improvement, but not the end-all solution to the lag-beast. Intel/Nomad |
Abelerr
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Posted - 2010.06.17 10:36:00 -
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How far things have come =)
reported by CCP Hellmar | 2003.12.12 00:26:41 "We just completed the quite successful 2 GB memory increase for our SQL Cluster. We see a dramatic change in SQL Cluster performance from our end; I hope you are enjoying the reduced lag."
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Liandra Xi
Amarr Volatile Nature Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.06.17 11:15:00 -
[158]
Quote: Step three: Pics or it didn't happen
Ooooh shiny! I find myself afflicted by this strange condition called SOS, otherwise known as Shiny Object Syndrome.... I demand moar pictures!@!
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2010.06.17 12:33:00 -
[159]
Edited by: Super Whopper on 17/06/2010 12:35:24
Originally by: CCP Fallout On Wednesday, June 23, 2010 between 0900 and 1500 UTC, Tranquility will be down while we move the cluster. CCP Yokai's new dev blog gives all the details on the move and improvements to the cluster.
By the way, this is Yokai's first dev blog. Some of you may remember him from Fanfest 2008, when he and a pick up team (Bubblegum!) made it all the way to second place in the mining PvP tournament :D
Update: The blog has been updated with the downtime schedule, which is as follows:
0900: All EVE Services go offline. (Web, Forums, Test Servers, EVE Gate, TQ, basically everything hosted in London) 1200: EVE Online web, secure and Test Servers come back online. (all network services reestablished in London. Only TQ should still be down at this time) 1500: TQ back online
What does EVE have to do with The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga?
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Requiem Jofama
NibbleTek RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.17 12:36:00 -
[160]
Edited by: Requiem Jofama on 17/06/2010 12:35:56 Just realized TQ cluster is pretty small compared to high performance computers out there for instance one we use here: http://www.pdc.kth.se/resources/computers/ekman/ekman-hardware
but at the same time latency is much more important on TQ and hopefully the new server-park will help the hamsters alot.
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Bloom Flamestar
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Posted - 2010.06.17 12:37:00 -
[161]
Originally by: CCP Fallout On Wednesday, June 23, 2010 between 0900 and 1500 UTC, Tranquility will be down while we move the cluster. CCP Yokai's new dev blog gives all the details on the move and improvements to the cluster.
By the way, this is Yokai's first dev blog. Some of you may remember him from Fanfest 2008, when he and a pick up team (Bubblegum!) made it all the way to second place in the mining PvP tournament :D
Update: The blog has been updated with the downtime schedule, which is as follows:
0900: All EVE Services go offline. (Web, Forums, Test Servers, EVE Gate, TQ, basically everything hosted in London) 1200: EVE Online web, secure and Test Servers come back online. (all network services reestablished in London. Only TQ should still be down at this time) 1500: TQ back online
don't recall past times work on the present 1. stable Live Server 2. daily downtime issue should be enough 3. Updates promises should be fulfilled not been deleted 4. new improvements to ships should finally be realized 5. Honesty should be a key Issue in CCP post and not throwing sand into the Eyes of the Community and covering up the mistakes of the Staff
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Solomon XI
Independent-Miners-Association Lazy is our middle name
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Posted - 2010.06.17 12:41:00 -
[162]
Clearly we should expect a 24-36 hour period without being able to play EveO. I forsee massive stability issues.
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G'Kar5
Gallente Intaki Research and Manufacturing Distorted Percepts
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Posted - 2010.06.17 13:39:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Lord XSiV
Well I guess you are validating what I stated to a certain extent but are still way off base if you think Cisco produces good product.
Yes, Cisco does produce a good product. Is it expensive and overpriced, YES. But blaming TQ lag on CCP choosing a Cisco box over Foundary box is just silly.
Originally by: Lord XSiV
Then again you probably aren't or have been, nor will be for matter, in a position to architect a solution of critical significance. This is obvious due to your linkage to lightreading, the basic 'tabloid' equivalent in the tele/datacom space....
Yes, I have helped to build several SP networks over the last 20 years. Please stop attacking me personally.
Originally by: Lord XSiV
Furthermore, Cisco doesn't build their gear, its all outsourced including assembly. They don't even design their ASICs either, that is outsourced as well. As I said earlier they are a software company and that's it. You can drink their 'kool aid' all you want it still doesn't make a difference. Just like their definition of a 'A' class IP address is wrong, but don't tell a CCIE that or he might cry.... So in reality, strike Cisco off your list of vendors knowing 'IP'
Hmmm, not sure what to make of this. Yes, Cisco is mostly a software company, but the router OS is one of the most important things out there. For any given hardware platform, you can make it look great or blow it up; you just have to know its strengths and weaknesses.
Some of their ASICs are designed in house, others are not.
What is a "Class A"? We live in the world of CIDR now.
Originally by: Lord XSiV
I would ramble on more but it would probably be pressing the limits of some NDA points but regardless, it is still considered junk by top tier professionals. The simple and steady rule is you go big iron when important stuff is on the line. These days with the pricing being so low it might be advantageous to go with it anyhow once you factor in TCO. Cisco generally has the highest TCO because you are required to have an expensive support contract in comparison to a less costly support arrangement with Juniper. Plus you have the added knowledge knowing you don't have to worry about hardware failures due to quality issues Cisco is notorious for.
Calling Cisco pricey and calling Cisco junk are too different things entirely. Junk, no; high priced, yes. Granted, Foundary has a very nice product but its Ethernet only. We are still a long way off from getting rid of TDM as some places still only have TDM access.
I'm done now. Have a nice day.
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.17 14:20:00 -
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so nerdgasms, tech geekery and some mild trolling.
Just a regular dev blog in eve online
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php |
Fearless M0F0
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.06.17 14:22:00 -
[165]
Originally by: CCP Fallout
0900: All EVE Services go offline. (Web, Forums, Test Servers, EVE Gate, TQ, basically everything hosted in London) 1200: EVE Online web, secure and Test Servers come back online. (all network services reestablished in London. Only TQ should still be down at this time) 1500: TQ back online
What about THE DEVICE?
It's important... it does stuff
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Lord XSiV
Amarr Digital Research - Omega Protocol
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Posted - 2010.06.17 14:41:00 -
[166]
Originally by: G'Kar5
I'm done now. Have a nice day.
Oh so you quit. I win yet again - but not like there was any question as to the outcome in the first place.
Your starring e-peen accomplishment was 'I have helped to build several SP networks over the last 20 years....' in response to my stating you have done nothing of significance. It is a good thing you confirmed it. Low end to mid tier providers are typically ignorant using inferior technology due to the fact that they hire unqualified resources such as yourself.
Now if you had stated something like "I lit up the first oc-768 for commercial use" or was the architect for one of the world's largest financial transaction networks then you might have some creds. But until you do, go crawl back under your rock and keep providing sub par advise to whoever employs you. Kids these days, no respect whatsoever.....
Oh and let me re-iterate, Cisco is junk. Always has been and always will be. It is ingrained into the company culture just as Apple prefers to steal technology rather than develop it on their own. As for your 'router OS' statement, my response it is 'man routed' - it is, has and always will be all you need.
And lastly, lulz at the monkey claiming 20 years 'experience' who doesn't know what a class A IP address is. Do you have your CCIE as well? Did you cry?
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Dacil Arandur
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Posted - 2010.06.17 15:02:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Lord XSiV And lastly, lulz at the monkey claiming 20 years 'experience' who doesn't know what a class A IP address is. Do you have your CCIE as well? Did you cry?
I'm pretty sure that part was a joke, since he even specifically mentioned classless routing in it.
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Thunder1971
Caldari Virtual Warriors IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2010.06.17 15:23:00 -
[168]
Well good luck CCP with the whole operation.
Hope it goes smoother then our fleetfights
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Emrys Ap'Morgravaine
Caldari Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.17 16:49:00 -
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You know, as super awesome as all this is, it suddenly occurred to me, that somewhere there's someone (or a group of someone's) who work for IBM or Cisco who are going to be eve players thinking "what awesome bit of kit can I design that'll give me a better experience"
I envy them.
Em.
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Commander Azrael
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.17 17:06:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Lord XSiV
Originally by: G'Kar5
I'm done now. Have a nice day.
Oh so you quit. I win yet again - but not like there was any question as to the outcome in the first place.
Your starring e-peen accomplishment was 'I have helped to build several SP networks over the last 20 years....' in response to my stating you have done nothing of significance. It is a good thing you confirmed it. Low end to mid tier providers are typically ignorant using inferior technology due to the fact that they hire unqualified resources such as yourself.
Now if you had stated something like "I lit up the first oc-768 for commercial use" or was the architect for one of the world's largest financial transaction networks then you might have some creds. But until you do, go crawl back under your rock and keep providing sub par advise to whoever employs you. Kids these days, no respect whatsoever.....
Oh and let me re-iterate, Cisco is junk. Always has been and always will be. It is ingrained into the company culture just as Apple prefers to steal technology rather than develop it on their own. As for your 'router OS' statement, my response it is 'man routed' - it is, has and always will be all you need.
And lastly, lulz at the monkey claiming 20 years 'experience' who doesn't know what a class A IP address is. Do you have your CCIE as well? Did you cry?
I bet your an asbolute joy to work with.....
Cisco is NOT junk, expensive yes, but junk no. Yes Brocade, Juniper and alcatel make some fantastic products but using the top end netiron for a LAN is insane. How you can presume to spec an environment when you haven't even seen it? It's also worth pointing out that partnership factors into these kind of architectural decisions, we as a company get huge (40%+) discounts on cisco kit which makes the majority cheaper than the brocade and juniper alternatives and when our customer is paying the bills, it's up to them to sign it off.
We architect, develop, build and support the largest Video on demand platforms in the world from AT&T to disney, C4 to the seesaw platforms and we use cisco almost entirely for these environments because they're the most effective given the specification.
Yeah we have Juniper and Brocade devices on our edge and are migrating to netiron for our edge BGP routing but saying the biggest network equipment vendor is 'junk' is stupid, mis-informed and in all likelihood trolling.
Do you work for brocade or something? Or are you just an advocate of the high port density their devices provide? Cisco suits TQ fine and the minute they need 2 billion packets a second I'm sure they'll look to brocade.
You sound like you just need to smoke a fat one and chill out.
Flame away, as I'm sure your ego wont let these comments go unanswered....
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Othran
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.06.17 18:24:00 -
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Edited by: Othran on 17/06/2010 18:26:02 "While the routers we use are quite powerful (Cisco 7600's with the RSP720 route processors)"
Mmmm you sure you don't work for Cisco? The last time I heard the term "powerful" and 7600 in the same sentence was a few years ago. Been a few years since I was in Triangle Park with the "folks".
Best of luck - there's always something physical that doesn't happen, hope yours is trivial.
Edit - as a sometime contractor for Cisco I can confirm that there is only one "Evil Empire" and its not Intel, MS or (recently) Apple
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CCP Yokai
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Posted - 2010.06.17 18:58:00 -
[172]
CrazzyElk - Is there an approximate guesstimate on the ETA of the next blog.
Answer - Nothing exact, but I am going to go out and say weeks, not months. Just have some things to get done first so we can talk about what we are doing, not what we might do.
Hawk TT - Correct me if I am wrong, but SOL nodes should benefit from Intel QPI, larger & faster caches, more memory, more memory channels & bandwidth, Intel Turbo-Boost feature for single-threaded apps?
Answer - More than likely. Again, something we are in active conversations about with both IBM and Intel.
Hawk TT - Why not "Boot from SAN"?
Answer - Right now the ease of management is not a big issue. It's a fairly small number of servers, the data on the local disk is nothing important, and honestly we are using the high end (lots of MTBF)Hard drives so, failures are few and far between. Not that it isn't easier/better booting from HBA/LUN0 but just quite a few items down the ôto doö list.
Vahz Rex - Yokai, you briefly mention management tools in the dev blog, any chance you will cover this more in future blogs?
Answer - Yes, Remapping Eve is really about the tools we have to control what solar systems go where and how to balance. I'll talk to the software guys to see just how deep we can go down that rabbit hole.
Hustomte - Is it possible to get this very important announcement added to the Eve-Gate calendar?
Answer - Great idea... Sent a note off to community just now!
Dacil Arandur - What are the chances something like that could happen for this big move? (webcam for TQ move)
Answer - Sounds like fun, but have you seen us? Probably not the most exciting thing on cam and I couldn't handle the rejection if no one watched.
Lee Dalton - What are the RAM SAN and SSD SAN dedicated to?
Answer - Both are dedicated to the DB
joe hamil - ty for the insight into your end CCP, i will keep on turning up to mass testing as often as i can
Answer - Thank you! I know we always need more people on test servers... and it really does help.
Anikadir - haven't seen a covered cool aisle like that before. Do they make much difference?
Answer - Yes, it does. When you have unmanaged airflow... you really have a lot of waste required to over cool the space. As well you can "short cycle" the cooling systems and really screw things up. By doing a contained cold isle, you get "some" control. As another post mentioned, it not perfect or 100% controlled because we do depend on the datacenter to do their job, but I think we are confident in the datacenter we are working with given 6 years of history.
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G'Kar5
Gallente Intaki Research and Manufacturing Distorted Percepts
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Posted - 2010.06.17 20:08:00 -
[173]
Originally by: CCP Yokai
Dacil Arandur - What are the chances something like that could happen for this big move? (webcam for TQ move)
Answer - Sounds like fun, but have you seen us? Probably not the most exciting thing on cam and I couldn't handle the rejection if no one watched.
Please? With those 6748s, you'll surely have a free port or 2 for some webcams. You could stream TQ live 24/7. I'm sure some folks at CCP would use it. Maybe you can do something like http://www.visitphilly.com/museums-attractions/philadelphia/comcast-experience-video-wall-comcast-center/ at CCP headquarters, but rather a live feed of TQ. It would be fun, you know it!
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OneBadMamaJama
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Posted - 2010.06.17 20:08:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Ticondrius I've been here since the beginning, I've seen 2-3 total replacements now of the TQ cluster. I've heard the jokes about selling Oveur's car to buy the first RAMSAN. I've survived the Infiniband hype (which is apparenlty still not used...).
Push the Session Timer to 10 seconds (if not handle it more elegantly and transparent to the players) and redesign the session system as to permit multiple nodes to support a single star system, then I'll be impressed.
Software efficiency is ALWAYS better than throwing more hardware at the problem. I am not amused.
From a business standpoint, hardware is cheap, programmer time is expensive.
That being said, I find the "session changes" really annoying, especially when ships are destroyed. I'd like to see a refactoring to get rid of the in-space session system altogether, as this seems to be the cause of the most lag.
I'm also surprised that a game server that serves 40,000 players concurrently only has ~280 cores. That may explain why the NPC AI can hardly be called AI :)
Wouldn't have expected Cisco 7600s would've been used in a high-performance system like this either. Not that I know much about high-performance computing, but I used them in the networking classes I had to take, and figured they were crappy if that college could afford them :) I did like the console interface though.
Anyways, very cool of CCP to share this information about what goes on behind the scenes.
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Mighty Birddy
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Posted - 2010.06.17 22:30:00 -
[175]
Your server specs mentioned Gigabit Ethernet as still being used. Where is it being used? (In respect to network topography and eve soller system mapping)
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Demortes
Caldari Serenity Technologies
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Posted - 2010.06.18 03:54:00 -
[176]
Did I miss the answer to the OS question? What OS on the servers? Proprietary or not?
Kudos on the insight into EVE. I want a cluster like this to play all 60k accounts. :)
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Olleybear
I R' Carebear
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Posted - 2010.06.18 04:00:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Commander Azrael
Originally by: Lord XSiV
... So much obnoxious stuff over many posts ...
I bet your an asbolute joy to work with.....
I must agree with you there about he must be an absolute joy...
To the "I'm smarter than thou art" poster,
It is truly amazing the level of arrogance in your posts sir. You took a wonderfull devblog about upgrades to tranquility and went so far over the top on the snob meter that I'm not sure if even superman can leap that in a single bound.
May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.06.18 04:00:00 -
[178]
Originally by: CCP Yokai Dacil Arandur - What are the chances something like that could happen for this big move? (webcam for TQ move)
Answer - Sounds like fun, but have you seen us? Probably not the most exciting thing on cam and I couldn't handle the rejection if no one watched.
If not live, even a timelapse of the whole thing would be fun to watch after.. especially if it takes longer Just do it please!
Besides that - nice blog. Keep em coming!
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Syberbolt8
Gallente The Sacred Order of the Space Weasels Industrial Spearhead Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 04:03:00 -
[179]
Edited by: Syberbolt8 on 18/06/2010 04:05:00
Originally by: Mighty Birddy Your server specs mentioned Gigabit Ethernet as still being used. Where is it being used? (In respect to network topography and eve soller system mapping)
This doesn't really matter, The bottleneck is in the lack of processing power per node when its under heavy load. It hasn't been bandwidth for a long time, if ever.
Originally by: Demortes Did I miss the answer to the OS question? What OS on the servers? Proprietary or not?
Kudos on the insight into EVE. I want a cluster like this to play all 60k accounts. :)
Last I heard they are running windows server 2008, though I could be wrong, I do know its windows server at least, and MSSQL for their database. The Resurrection: Support the Revised Dead Horse Pos thread in Assembly Hall |
Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.18 07:12:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Demortes Did I miss the answer to the OS question? What OS on the servers? Proprietary or not?
Kudos on the insight into EVE. I want a cluster like this to play all 60k accounts. :)
If you had that server you would have over 60k accounts ROFL =P
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Lord XSiV
Amarr Digital Research - Omega Protocol
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Posted - 2010.06.18 09:05:00 -
[181]
Originally by: Olleybear
Originally by: Commander Azrael
I bet your an asbolute joy to work with.....
I must agree with you there about he must be an absolute joy...
To the "I'm smarter than thou art" poster,
It is truly amazing the level of arrogance in your posts sir. You took a wonderfull devblog about upgrades to tranquility and went so far over the top on the snob meter that I'm not sure if even superman can leap that in a single bound.
May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits.
It isn't like I care what you think. All I care (or cared about since I am now retired) was what the client thought. You see I was one of those people who got called in to clean up the mess that unqualified monkeys such as the previous posters complimenting Cisco junk would undoubtedly cause and ultimately affect an organizations bottom line. Or even worse, put lives at risk. No respected professional out there in the industry would ever take the risk of going with a Cisco solution when the implications of an outage were so great.
Originally by: Othran Edited by: Othran on 17/06/2010 18:26:02 "While the routers we use are quite powerful (Cisco 7600's with the RSP720 route processors)"
Mmmm you sure you don't work for Cisco? The last time I heard the term "powerful" and 7600 in the same sentence was a few years ago. Been a few years since I was in Triangle Park with the "folks".
Best of luck - there's always something physical that doesn't happen, hope yours is trivial.
Edit - as a sometime contractor for Cisco I can confirm that there is only one "Evil Empire" and its not Intel, MS or (recently) Apple
Now this is funny and yet so true. Also brings back some good memories of RTP and 'playing' with some seriously interesting gear....
As for the 'Evil Empire' bit, don't worry, the largest IEC hasn't (nor will) drink the koolaid which will ensure that its potential dominance is kept in check. And you can always count on a good laugh when 'powerful', 'equipment' and 'Cisco' are mentioned in the same sentence without the word 'not'.
Anyhow the point still stands. The discussion is really about how much better CCP could be doing things if they elected to go with a better solution. The one that they are going to is far too costly, under performs (for proof just look at large fleet battles) which results in poor efficiency and a bad customer experience. By going with an efficient solution, over the long term CCP could save themselves considerable amounts of money which they then could use to up the pay scale to attract some of the better developers out there.
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Freelancer117
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Posted - 2010.06.18 11:08:00 -
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1 THz processor powah FTW eh ?!
dont make the npc's too intelligent plz
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Punx Evangeline
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.06.18 11:49:00 -
[183]
Count me as one who likes to read about the system that runs New Eden. Very well done CCP Yokai.
-Punx ________________________ Compared to mine... what is your crime?
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IngarNT
Minmatar hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:07:00 -
[184]
Originally by: CCP Yokai
Hawk TT - Why not "Boot from SAN"?
Answer - Right now the ease of management is not a big issue. It's a fairly small number of servers, the data on the local disk is nothing important, and honestly we are using the high end (lots of MTBF)Hard drives so, failures are few and far between. Not that it isn't easier/better booting from HBA/LUN0 but just quite a few items down the ôto doö list.
I assume its the same for that 4.n Tb of 'internal disk' - I still think you should SAN it, maby not the boot sector if you cant be bothered mucking about with veritas/vioboot but a good 'SAN guy' say, for example.... ME, could get you 5ms responce times on reeds from disk (not that you do meny) - given all that tier zero tin you have on the flore, i suspect with tuning actual read responce time is in the microseconds. get some Brocade HBA's in, a pair of DCX's, implimernt QOS so the database traffic goes down trunked ISLs, two fabrics for redundence... god, im actually salavating.
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Liorah
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Originally by: Lord XSiV No respected professional out there in the industry would ever take the risk of going with a Cisco solution when the implications of an outage were so great.
No respected entity would place lives in the care of equipment not certified for that purpose, regardless of vendor. And no respected entity would deploy any important system without redundancy in place, because no matter how good or bad your vendor is, equipment will fail. (Before you ask, cluster nodes are considered disposable)
Bring the things you've learned from Eve back to RL. Everything is a cost-analysis and risk-assessment. You weigh cost vs risk, and choose the right option based on your requrements and that evaluation. Corporate deals (legal or otherwise) change the playing field, so that a solution for one entity is not as good as a different solution for another entity.
Originally by: Lord XSiV The discussion is really about how much better CCP could be doing things if they elected to go with a better solution.
Wonderful!
Now, based on your expert knowledge of, and experience with, CCP's network needs, usage patterns, utilization, environmental and power needs, and corporate contracts, agreements, and policies, what is the best solution that they should be using?
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nesdaq
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Posted - 2010.06.18 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Yokai
[...] Answer - The list today is well... from today. We are looking for good reasons to make changes, but they have to make significant impact. Since peak capacity on a node is so important for fights, 3.33GHz even on an older generation is still very high end. Give me some 10GHz CPU's and I'd be all over it. [...]
That was the idea of intel/amd to? more Ghz, more, more, MOAR!!!! But then they heading another approach by introducing dual/quad/hexa core cpu's. So how is CCP handling this technique. Regular applications are getting there to support naive multi-core processing, hows CCP doing at this? Are we going to see a dedicated rack to support jita soon?
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CeneUJiti
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Posted - 2010.06.18 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: nesdaq
Originally by: CCP Yokai
[...] Answer - The list today is well... from today. We are looking for good reasons to make changes, but they have to make significant impact. Since peak capacity on a node is so important for fights, 3.33GHz even on an older generation is still very high end. Give me some 10GHz CPU's and I'd be all over it. [...]
That was the idea of intel/amd to? more Ghz, more, more, MOAR!!!! But then they heading another approach by introducing dual/quad/hexa core cpu's. So how is CCP handling this technique. Regular applications are getting there to support naive multi-core processing, hows CCP doing at this? Are we going to see a dedicated rack to support jita soon?
Funny person speaks funny thins.
CCP would need to rewrite most of server code to achieve multi-cpu support. CCP already has very little earnings from a tiny customer base and can't or doesn't want to afford a major code rewrite like that.
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Ethan Kaiser
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.06.19 00:29:00 -
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Grats TQ
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Lanu
0utbreak
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Posted - 2010.06.19 01:05:00 -
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Your my new favorite dev if you keep up with the blogging (+photo's and vids!!)!
ps:
Sorry Eris..
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Doppleganger
Minmatar Imperium Technologies Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.06.19 01:21:00 -
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With the $$ CCP has made over the last few yrs I'm suprised their server room doesnt look more like this.
If you want to wait until 2011 I know Blue Gene/Q will be water-cooled and they are getting rid of those silly looking sloped sides that were done to maximize the air cooling. I could leak a few scale model previews but only if we could make a deal for some eve based perks.
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Koronos
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.06.19 04:21:00 -
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As a seven year eve player (as of this week yarrr!) I can't tell you how much I appreciate the in depth info and the fact that you continue to read and respond in detail to this thread Yokai. It gives me hope for Eve. So, it made me hesitate to wave a negative flag, but there is a very real and disturbing point that somehow doesn't sink home to enough people, and since you've shown willingness to read and respond I'll try to say it here.
For a long time we had lots of lag in fleet battles, and then miraculously after brackets and so on a few major patches ago, we could actually play them. Then at some point after a major patch they stopped working again. And the latest release did nothing to help. It wasn't a gradual decrease due to more players, it was a patch broken.
As a network and datacenter administrator and all-around nerd myself I am quite geeked up by these improvements, but I'm pretty sure they won't resolve the horrible fleet lag issues we are experiencing now on TQ.
That said, again bravo and I still have hope.
<3 Koronos
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Mstislav Mkrtchyan
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Posted - 2010.06.19 04:56:00 -
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Are we going to get a refund on game time for the 10 days the server will probably be down for?
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Damion Rayne
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.06.19 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: Memorya /Fail
Upgrade network framework and you migh actualy see 2k fleet battles, but until then... dream on....
Obvious Troll is Obvious.
Seriously, how big of a raging idiot are you?
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Koronos
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.06.19 06:29:00 -
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Originally by: Lord XSiV <snip>The discussion is really about how much better CCP could be doing things if they elected to go with a better solution. The one that they are going to is far too costly, under performs (for proof just look at large fleet battles) which results in poor efficiency and a bad customer experience.
If you really know as much as your peenwaving would lead us to believe you'd know that no amount of hardware can compensate for poor code.
Protip: cisco is not the bottleneck for fleet fights (for proof just look at pre/post dominion).
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The Lynxpardinus
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Posted - 2010.06.19 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: Lord XSiV (or cared about since I am now retired)
This is funny, you try to make yourself look like an experienced professional while you sound like a teen troll that has no idea of how real life business works. You talk about "being the architect of some critical systems", guess what, in real life 99.9 percent of the time, we managers do not architect, we inherit mission critical systems that are outdated, tied to service contracts with companies we don't like that are prohibitively expensive to break, with a shrinking budget and a projected usage of the system that is going to overload it before the end of the fiscal year. Manage to keep a system like that online and then I'll take you seriously.
Your recommendation that they start with a new architecture from scratch is laughable to anybody that manages or is responsible for any type and/or size of ongoing IT operation and shows how naive and misinformed you are of how the real world works.
Originally by: Lord XSiV Or even worse, put lives at risk.
Really? we are talking about a game here, this is not a system linked to an ER department. In business this is called "risk assessment", you may want to look it up. I'll make it easy on you and give you the Cliff Notes: CCP has probably already calculated the likelihood of an outage of x hours using their current equipment, how much revenue they stand to lose from it and they probably decided that it did not warrant spending money on "better non-Cisco" hardware.
And while on the topic of Cisco, why do you keep blaming them even when CCP is acknowledging that the bottleneck is CPU, not network? Is this what you used to do with your "customers"? not listen to their problems and then recommend expensive hardware overhauls? I wonder how much of a commission you got from Juniper every time you snookered another client into buying stuff they did not need. Word of advice to everybody out there: Beware of any contractor that is too dogmatic when it comes to brand names. (That is if I buy that you are an actual professional, I still think you are just a troll)
To put it in perspective it would be like if you recommended Pizza Hut to buy a Ferrari California to each driver to improve delivery time when the problem is that it takes too long to make the pizza. Ridiculous, right? just as ridiculous as your posts have been so far.
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Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.19 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: Koronos
Originally by: Lord XSiV <snip>The discussion is really about how much better CCP could be doing things if they elected to go with a better solution. The one that they are going to is far too costly, under performs (for proof just look at large fleet battles) which results in poor efficiency and a bad customer experience.
If you really know as much as your peenwaving would lead us to believe you'd know that no amount of hardware can compensate for poor code.
Protip: cisco is not the bottleneck for fleet fights (for proof just look at pre/post dominion).
I agree
Assuming that CCP did not change hardware since dominion; I would have to say that the problem is in the coding.
Every Tech junkie from scriptkitty to CCNA's knows that if something brakes and you have only changed one thing since it was working (in CCP's case, the code) than the problem is in what you changed.
Makes sense to me.
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CCP Yokai
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Posted - 2010.06.19 09:35:00 -
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Koronos - As a network and datacenter administrator and all-around nerd myself I am quite geeked up by these improvements, but I'm pretty sure they won't resolve the horrible fleet lag issues we are experiencing now on TQ.
Response - Iagree, and I hope I was not unclear here at all. We are going to improve everything we can to give the software that runs Eve the breathing room it needs. This move will make sure TQ has the space, power and cooling as well as a big step up in switching. It will not single handedly fix all lag forever. CCP is not singled handed either. There are tons of people spending all day working on lag, tuning, etc. The ops guys are just doing our small part to help.
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CCP Yokai
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Posted - 2010.06.19 09:48:00 -
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Lanu - Your my new favorite dev if you keep up with the blogging (+photo's and vids!!)!
Answer - Camera is already packed in the bags for London. The new space is dead sexy. We already have alot of pics of the space empty... we'll get a few out with TQ actually alive in there.
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Koronos
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.06.19 14:58:00 -
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Awesome. Thanks Yokai.
Originally by: CCP Yokai Edited to add: I'm also an Eve Player and have been for 5+ years myself. I've been in 1200+ battles (more than 1600 in H-W just a few weeks back was the biggest I have ever seen), I've seen the long wait times for a screen to load etc. But, I can tell you... no other game can get this close to that kind of combat. No excuses... just saying we are pushing the edge of what massive PVP has ever been in a game.
No question.
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Xelpm
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Posted - 2010.06.19 15:02:00 -
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Edited by: Xelpm on 19/06/2010 15:03:10 Being in the hosting biz over the last 12 years, even in a small way with 1 Cab w/several Servers, the CCP Cluster is still way cool given that all of this stuff is for our use in a GAME!
My biz partner and I personally moved my lone Blade Server from NYC to Philly about 5.5 Years ago! No matter what size, a job like this, is always a lot of hard work and then you're glad to see it when itÆs done then you move on to the next big thing! If you never have done something like this you can't imagine how much work this is going to be!
Hat's off to CCP plus good luck on Wednesday! You want to complain about Cisco this or Foundry that go right ahead! It's still an awesome cluster!
PS: I Vote for a time elapsed Video -- one from a frontside cab angle and one from the hot isle!!! |
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Vauryndar Dalharil
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Posted - 2010.06.19 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Yokai
Edited to add: I'm also an Eve Player and have been for 5+ years myself. I've been in 1200+ battles (more than 1600 in H-W just a few weeks back was the biggest I have ever seen), I've seen the long wait times for a screen to load etc. But, I can tell you... no other game can get this close to that kind of combat. No excuses... just saying we are pushing the edge of what massive PVP has ever been in a game.
Yeah, but remember that it was a _lot_ better before Dominion. People just want back to the time where you could have lag free battles with 300 people.
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CCP Yokai
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Posted - 2010.06.19 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Batolemaeus
Yeah, but remember that it was a _lot_ better before Dominion. People just want back to the time where you could have lag free battles with 300 people.
There are things we are hoping to do to help smaller battles get better access to dedicated hardware quicker...
Part of where we are going with predicting hot spots and remapping blogs will talk about the plans in summer cycles.
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Lord TGR
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Posted - 2010.06.19 16:52:00 -
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Out of curiosity, were there any hardware changes in conjunction with the dominion expansion, or was it a pure software change?
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Caladain Barton
Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.19 19:45:00 -
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Edited by: Caladain Barton on 19/06/2010 19:55:51 Edited by: Caladain Barton on 19/06/2010 19:52:55 Edited by: Caladain Barton on 19/06/2010 19:51:56
Originally by: CCP Yokai
Originally by: Batolemaeus
Yeah, but remember that it was a _lot_ better before Dominion. People just want back to the time where you could have lag free battles with 300 people.
There are things we are hoping to do to help smaller battles get better access to dedicated hardware quicker...
Part of where we are going with predicting hot spots and remapping blogs will talk about the plans in summer cycles.
Throwing hardware at a problem that was caused by software won't fix the issue. More hardware is always nicer, but the trend in computing is to put more cores on a proc instead of faster procs. The Eve code is locked to a single core..so ultimately performance will lag significantly behind.
That said, the 1600 person battle in H-W would have been perfectly playable pre-dominion. Dominion was a software patch..the hardware didn't change out with the patch. Dominion made the game unstable..why not look at why it's unstable in *addition* to throwing more hardware at the problem?
More hardware is always good, don't get me wrong. When the trend was to shove more power into a single core, things looked pretty for eve's future. But now...i dunno man, i can't help but look at all the cool things you guys have done in the past, and then look at the software team's work as of the last couple patches (100 man fleet jumping into an empty system blackscreening is a nice feature of the latest patch)..they really need to get their act together.
Change the core code to span multiple cores and then you'll see massive performance gains from throwing more hardware at the problem.
By the way, thanks for sticking around and responding throughout the thread. The eve community misses Devblogs where dev's do this :-)
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Budsin Adar
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Posted - 2010.06.19 21:28:00 -
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whats moving a cluster going to do to help with eve??I thought by now we would be walking in stations as Promised back in april or may. Also mining planetary rings and comets? So where is all this in the 2nd part or how is all this going to play out and when can we use the stuff from planets as of now? Peace all and fly safe. just questions my friends have been asking me anyways. AS I to wish to know Peace all :) 07
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TheLostPenguin
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Posted - 2010.06.20 10:56:00 -
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Edited by: TheLostPenguin on 20/06/2010 11:02:29 Moving it is going to do a few things, notably improving cooling and allowing more space for the server, dont know how great this cooling gain will be but if it allows them to turn up clock speeds a bit then that would help performance, guessing that would be a possibility since there's no need for additional cooling to counter stability issues (not like we see the server routinely crashing due to load, it just isn't fast enough). Extra space means space for the new hardware that would be required for dust514 to run on, don't be too surprised if a few more bits get bolted onto tq in the near future too since they'll have the space to do so after this (this is just a move of existing hardware, nothing new actually added), more nodes to reinforce more systems concurrently or just to give fewer systems/node on average would result in slight performance gains (yeah I know the main breakage with big fleets fights is code, but more power overall will help general performance) PLUS they're consolidating most if not all of their hardware for website/forums/testservers into one location, again just because the space is avalible to do so, which apparently will "provide better network connectivity, fewer intermediary devices and increased capacity.". Since it's not posible to go out and just buy uber-faster gear every little that can be done to help on the hardware front should help....
As for "I thought by now we would be walking in stations as Promised back in april or may." ROFLMAO, you forgot to mention what year, WiS/Ambulation/Incarna/Whatever it gets called in another 2 years has been Coming SoonÖ pretty much as long as EVE has been around, don't hold your breath waiting for that, "mining planetary rings and comets?" will be a "groundbreaking never-before considered and wholly innovative" expansion in a couple of years, and will probaly suck just as bad as mining other rocks does :)
*edited to fix several glaring typos as yet to train Proofreading I
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CCP Yokai
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Posted - 2010.06.20 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Budsin Adar whats moving a cluster going to do to help with eve??
TheLostPenguin said it better than I did... "Moving it is going to do a few things, notably improving cooling and allowing more space for the server"
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Dhalya
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Posted - 2010.06.20 13:26:00 -
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Most probaly you are running your 60+ AppServers in A-A cluster, having your 8853's fitted in 8677's (and usually) FC interconected either with 4 or 8 Gbps modules through SAN Fabric switches. From the same fabric switches you are interconnecting your clustered 7233's DB servers with a whopping 256GB of RAM to avoid frequent HDD access, and your DS (if IBM) SAN storage. And finally you are routing you heavy IP-traffic through your 7609/7613 Cisco utilzing the 720Mbps modules (route processors) & DFC's with multiple WAN links. Although the size of your WAN links as a whole can impose a deadly factor in lag issue, your running hardware is most probably your main issue (appart from coding issues).
Would like to thank you for the heads up of our favorite virtual world's hardware.
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Warnings
D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.20 14:26:00 -
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i'm sad that ccp don't thinked to use a cool thing like this :
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/27/ibm_power7_hpc_server/page3.html
It's a joke, it's a bit heavy price i think and ccp can use only x64 servers. I would prefer That CCP use 4P opterons with 48 cores and 256Go of memory. It's far stronger that they'll use soon. And opterons are a lot faster in virtualisation mode.
And the thing i would love is 2 servers like this, for blobs. Our stupids FC don't want to attack in 4-5 systems in same time. So 1000+ systems are unplayable.
And kill the gameplay of big alliances.
And ****ings titans that got reimbursed that shouldn't ...
i hope ccp plan servers like this, with huge amount of ram. For databases this kind of servers are crazy fast, and eve is mostly a huge dynamic database.
And without good code, hardware is nothing. I hope ccp is doing some great multithreaded code. A reinforced node will be able to use more than one single core, may be twice faster, even more on quad+ cores. ( and would be awesome on a 48 cores ^^ )
And sorry to say that to CCP, but for moment sov 2.0 sucks.
I hope you'll do better for 2000+ blob playable with big hardware ^^
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Hawk TT
Caldari Bulgarian Experienced Crackers Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.20 22:09:00 -
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CCP YOKAI REALLY DEMONSTRATES WHAT "COMMUNITY INTERACTION MEANS"! GREAT & FRESH ATTITUDE!!!
I just hope that he would not get bored by the tons of irrelevant and "shallow" comments on the forums...
Anyway, I DO HAVE some more questions, giving the fact the CCP has a special relationship both with IBM and NVIDIA:
Off-loading Server Side SOL calculations to GPGPU?
Have you @ CCP evaluated and/or experimented with CUDA/OpenCL, apart from the APEX Clothing for Incarna?
Some facts: a) IBM has released recentely their iDataPlex dx360 M3 node, supporting up to 2 x NVIDIA GPGPUs. BladeCenter is OK for Databases, but iDataPlex is for HPC ;-) That reminded me of the following things... b) CUDA supports double-precision FP, you get a magnitude better FP performance w/ a magnitude faster local RAM buffer c) Off-loading space simulation calculations to a massively parallel GPGPU architecture should make a big difference in terms of off-loading the CPU, which has to do all the rest and especially I/O d) There are lots of projects for Phyton warpers/libs for OpenCL / CUDA.
I could see a couple of possible problems, porbably there are more: a) CPU to GPGPU link goes through PCIe - that means "bandwidth bottleneck" and relatively high latency. This could be a problem for moving the data from the Host RAM to the GPGPU buffer, all the time, in real time...? b) GPGPU memory buffers are small, probably not big enough to do all the SOL math? c) The programming effort is prohibitevly expensive due to lack of GPGPU programmers on the market? d) IBM iDataPlex is a different monster, not-quite-mature etc.?
With CUDA/OpenCL on the server side you could do even more stuff - things like "precise collision-detection", more realistic mass/agility related simulation, ship-model desintegration (chopping off parts of a ship) etc.
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Jim Luc
Caldari Rule of Five Lucky Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.20 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Hawk TT CCP YOKAI REALLY DEMONSTRATES WHAT "COMMUNITY INTERACTION MEANS"! GREAT & FRESH ATTITUDE!!!
I just hope that he would not get bored by the tons of irrelevant and "shallow" comments on the forums...
Anyway, I DO HAVE some more questions, giving the fact the CCP has a special relationship both with IBM and NVIDIA:
Off-loading Server Side SOL calculations to GPGPU?
Have you @ CCP evaluated and/or experimented with CUDA/OpenCL, apart from the APEX Clothing for Incarna?
Some facts: a) IBM has released recentely their iDataPlex dx360 M3 node, supporting up to 2 x NVIDIA GPGPUs. BladeCenter is OK for Databases, but iDataPlex is for HPC ;-) That reminded me of the following things... b) CUDA supports double-precision FP, you get a magnitude better FP performance w/ a magnitude faster local RAM buffer c) Off-loading space simulation calculations to a massively parallel GPGPU architecture should make a big difference in terms of off-loading the CPU, which has to do all the rest and especially I/O d) There are lots of projects for Phyton warpers/libs for OpenCL / CUDA.
I could see a couple of possible problems, porbably there are more: a) CPU to GPGPU link goes through PCIe - that means "bandwidth bottleneck" and relatively high latency. This could be a problem for moving the data from the Host RAM to the GPGPU buffer, all the time, in real time...? b) GPGPU memory buffers are small, probably not big enough to do all the SOL math? c) The programming effort is prohibitevly expensive due to lack of GPGPU programmers on the market? d) IBM iDataPlex is a different monster, not-quite-mature etc.?
With CUDA/OpenCL on the server side you could do even more stuff - things like "precise collision-detection", more realistic mass/agility related simulation, ship-model desintegration (chopping off parts of a ship) etc.
I like this. I don't quite understand it, but I like this. Precise collision detection and ship model disintegration and debris would be so cool!
So, in layman's terms, how will this improve the Eve experience? If it won't fix lag, what improvements are going to be made to fix it? More hamsters?
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Hawk TT
Caldari Bulgarian Experienced Crackers Circle-Of-Two
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Edited by: Hawk TT on 21/06/2010 01:06:24
Originally by: Jim Luc
I like this. I don't quite understand it, but I like this. Precise collision detection and ship model disintegration and debris would be so cool!
So, in layman's terms, how will this improve the Eve experience? If it won't fix lag, what improvements are going to be made to fix it? More hamsters?
Actually GPGPU off-loading could fix great portion of the lag, if such tech could be implemented for the SOL servers responsible for the space-simulation in EVE.
Let me explain: Each solar system in EVE is "simulated" and "hosted" by one "SOL server". BTW, a "SOL Server" is a software process, not a physical server (machine). Each "SOL Server" runs on one CPU core, because of some limitations of Stackless Python (scripting language used for the server side programming). There are multiple "SOL Servers" per physical node, and they share memory / I/O / Network resources, but no "SOL Server" could use multiple CPU cores! As a result, the computing power available to a single "SOL Server" (i.e. single EVE solar system) is limited to the computing power of only one CPU core! That's why CCP are not using Quad & Hexa core CPUs with lower frequency (2.0-2.66GHz). They prefer to use Dual-Core CPUs with the maximum frequency (3.33GHz) they could get. All space-simulations for a solar-system are performed by a single CPU core - this means that all interactions between the ships loaded in the grid are calculated by a single CPU core! There are hundreds of thousands of dynamic parallel calculations performed by the CPU core, like: a) damage calcs depending on active modules, weapons & ammo, ships' speeds & trajectories, EW modules, gang bonuses etc. b) collision detections of some sort (not very precise) c) etc.
There are also lot's of I/O tasks performed - taking input from EVE clients is easy, sending out the current status of the simulation (e.g. battle) to all players in the grid is another story. I don't want to go into more details why StacklessIO helped with the lag, but becasue the I/O became asynchronous, the other Python processes got "unlocked" (search for "Python GIL" in google ;-), so more CPU resources have been freed for doing the math for the simulation.
So far, so good - one big problem remains - modern CPUs have multiple computing cores, each core usually has some Integer and some Floating Point (FP) math units, but generally one CPU core could execute not more than 3-4 instructions per frequency-clock cylce. In the last 5-6 years we see increase in the number of cores per CPU, but the maximum frequency is stalled between 3-3.5GHz. Far from the Intel promises that their CPUs will reach 10GHz by 2010 ;-)
On the other hand GPGPUs are different beasts. They run @ 800-900MHz, but they have hundreds of INT/FP units capable of executing hundreds of instructions per cycle. Another thing is that GPGPUs are hooked to much, much faster memory with lower latency than the host CPUs.
The iDataPlex M3 server-module I was writing about could have 2 x NVidia M2050 GPGPU modules. Each Nvidia M2050 GPGPU has 448 Stream Processors and has the raw computing power of about 10 of the CPUs used by CCP (for double-precision FP).
Ok, THAT'S GREAT, BUT...there is always BUT ;-) RAW power means nothing without the right software to unleash it.
That's why I was asking the questions above - there must be tons of problems when you try to off-load some work from the CPU to the GPGPU - moving data between CPU and GPGPU is slow (due to the PCIe Interface), GPGPU has 3-6GB of memory (vs. 16/32GB for the CPU), syncing processes runing on CPU and GPGPU could be nightmare etc.
So, in summary - GPGPUs is just a novel & very promising technology. It has great successs in off-line scientific simulations, video & 3D acceleration etc.
It would be great if CCP manages to implement GPGPU technology in MMORPG, this would really push the technology beyond the edge ;-)
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Pyro Ninja
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Posted - 2010.06.21 01:23:00 -
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So with all the new space can we have our space mines back? cuz those were really fun back in the day
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Caladain Barton
Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.21 01:55:00 -
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Edited by: Caladain Barton on 21/06/2010 02:04:43
Originally by: Hawk TT Edited by: Hawk TT on 21/06/2010 01:06:24 Each "SOL Server" runs on one CPU core, because of some limitations of Stackless Python (scripting language used for the server side programming).
Not correct. Stackless Python does multi-core parallel programming easily.
Hell, you can do multi-core, multi-proc parallel programming pretty dang spiffily with stackless python..it's right there in the language. It's just that it's *harder* than single-thread programming. Not much harder, mind, but a bit. (edit: It's harder if you don't wrap the complexity. If you're doing raw parallel as a cowboy code job (no planning, etc) then it's a nightmare.)
The real tricky part is the core of the node code is all single threaded. It means they'd have to re-write a good chunk of it to work right.
OR they can put farmville in space and all the other mini-game/sov addons onto another core in the server and leave the main nodes running apocrapha core code.
CCP is not the first to do this. They are not the first to hit these walls. :-)
*IF* They have some wonky script launching stuff going on that's preventing them from doing multi-threading over multiple cores, then they need to fix the wonky. Anything can be done..software in one step removed from the pure thought stuff of the poet. It's all imaginary bits to be twiddled.
Oh, and this is a submarine game. Not a space ship game. It's all Fluid dynamics, not Newtonian physics (which are harder to model). The calculations needed have been well modeled and optimized since the end of world war 2 thanks to a truck load of papers published by the United States Navy.
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Hawk TT
Caldari Bulgarian Experienced Crackers Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.21 08:32:00 -
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Edited by: Hawk TT on 21/06/2010 08:34:56
Originally by: Caladain Barton Edited by: Caladain Barton on 21/06/2010 02:08:07 Edited by: Caladain Barton on 21/06/2010 02:04:43
Originally by: Hawk TT Edited by: Hawk TT on 21/06/2010 01:06:24 Each "SOL Server" runs on one CPU core, because of some limitations of Stackless Python (scripting language used for the server side programming).
Not correct. Stackless Python does multi-core parallel programming easily.
Actually you are not correct ;-) Without taking it personally, there is a difference between "multi-threaded" and "multi-core".
Stackless Python supports the so called "Tasklets" - basicaly a tasklet is a "micro-thread", but not on a System/OS level. Tasklet is a very lightweight and portable "micro-thread", so you could have tens of thousands "tasklets" running in parallel in one OS-Level thread. Try having tens of thousands of Windows/Linux/Unix threads running in parallel and you will need Terabytes of system memory and 90% of the CPU time will be consumed for scheduling and idling ;-)
Stackless Python is an interpeter and runs on a VM (just like Java). The VM runs in a single OS-Level thread, i.e. runs only on one CPU core. Anyway, Why "tasklets" and not "Windows OS threads"? Because "Windows OS threads" are hugely more "expensive" - each new thread consumes magnitudes more memory and puts magnitudes more pressure on the OS Kernel scheduler etc. Also, each OS thread creation is much slower process that creating a "tasklet" in Stackless Python. EVE needs to do thousands of tiny caclulations in parallel, so running each "tiny calculcation" in an OS-Level thread is not feasible - its insane. It's just that the Windows OS kernel is not designed for doing massively parallel computing, the same is with Linux and Unix.
Actually there are two major problems with Stackless Python: a) First is the problem with the "Global Interpeter Lock" of Stackless Python - You could have 10 000 concurrent "tasklets" in one VM (i.e. one OS thread), but there are some operations that cause GIL and until the tasklet which put the GIL releases it, all other tasklets have to wait. Great part of these "blocking" operations are related to Synchronous I/O transactions. That's why the new StacklessIO developed by CCP uses Asynchronous I/O model, thus avoiding lots of GILs, thus freeing up lots of CPU cycles. b) Second is the problem with having one Stackless VM per CPU core - having the Stackless VM load spreaded across multiple OS-threads and CPU cores means different architecture of the VM and lots of other problems, and their resolution is beyond CCPs control. For example - efficient syncing or exchanging data between tasklets running in different OS-Level threads / CPU cores is a serious challange, because it involves severe overhead and performance penalties. It also means developing a new Stackless VM, a probable goal of the long-term project supported by Google, which is now delayed and potentially canceled...
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Hawk TT
Caldari Bulgarian Experienced Crackers Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.21 08:39:00 -
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So, what options CCP has: a) Giving up on Stackless Python - it would mean rewriting millions of lines of code in....what? C++? Very unlikely, even if they had the R&D budget of Google or Micro$oft b) Throwing faster CPU cores @ the problem - this would provide limited scalability, becasue the modern CPUs go multi-core, they don't go with 10GHz frequency and the x86 architecture has very limited potential to improve in terms of IPC (Instructions per Cycle) performance. c) Throwing faster node interconnects like Infiniband + some HPC management stuff, so they could start moving SOL Servers on-the-fly (and not only during down-time) and on demand, so at least they could dedicate CPU cores to systems with large fleet battles. Jita has a dedicated CPU core and node, but Jita is predictable. Fleet battles are not so predictable, but at least CCP could gather statistics over time and could dedicate CPU cores to specific "hot" or "violent" 0.0 systems. I guess that CCP Yokai will announce soon improvements in this direction. d) Removing (detaching) secondary services out of the SOL Servers - Market, People & Places, Mail etc. - these are I/O intensive services and they put extra load on the SOL nodes - CPU cycles, I/O, networking etc. I guess CCP already acomplished "detaching" of Market & Mail... e) Last, but not least - employing GPGUs on the server nodes that could off-load thousands of "tiny caclulations" from the CPUs. x86 CPU cores have intrinsic serial nature, GPGPUs have intrinsic parallel nature. The question is if it is feasible to "export" some of the Stackless math functions to the GPGU and if the penalties and the overhead of moving data between CPU and GPGPU would be offset by the better raw performance of the GPGPU. It seems to me that its worth experimenting - the current SOL nodes uses old Intel FSB architecture and the effective memory bandwidht / latency is pretty comparable to the PCIe 2.0 performance. Once the data and the math code is in the GPGPU GDDR5 buffer, the calculations could be done in a massively parallel manner and CPU of the host will have free cycles to do other stuff...
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Warnings
D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.21 12:14:00 -
[217]
GPU is great for Physk calculation. You can see it as a math co-processor. And Latency between cpu and gpu is small enough for that kind of calc.
Rewrite in C++ the whole code of eve could be a great idea. That would be more easy to get mac/linux/windows version without any change. And write multithread code is easyer in C++.
Last OpenGL 4.0 is multi os and an open standard, great for eve.
And writing code not multithread and using is with VMs, it's suicide in long term.
And i seriously hope ccp don't plan to do more system to create less lag, and get less problem with heavy loaded system, this is a big error.
Eve is the best PVP game i ever see. If you kill pvp, you kill the game. And blob will never stop with actual system.
North and Sud coalition will never stop, and even one is dead, a new one form and fight. It's a perpetual thing.
Just Do not create new sys. Why ? because, new sys, will create a lot of sys without anybody or one or two people farming 24/24.
In npc regions, pvp is always there for stop guys to steal your pve. but in conquerable, systems are always or almost empty.
Why ? no mission, and no officier.
Change the npc sys, you'll do a lot for eve.
I think ccp must change npc system, and whole 0.0 carebear system.
Whormhole is not a good solution for alliance you can't disapear for a week or two and don't do CTAs.
The best solution for pve in 0.0 :
-Create agent upgrade for conquerable systems. -Change pve in belt by a new kind with more smarter npc, and more heavy. Kill a bs is too much easy for a golem, or a cnr. Stop belt farming, and create npc probes, and npc in safe, and warping out when it's in danger, do primary, and can probe you and kill you. Pod too, it's 0.0 it's not a friendly space.
do it that you must be 3-4 for found npc and kill. And do it a stop called that farming. Farming mean you need do ever same thing and it's not acceptable. We are not bots !!! Do same for miners, need to probe asteroids belts.
-do upgrade for each systems, that if 10 players ask help in the same place, if they have standings, and the sov, some npc come help.
Do your best ^^
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Guttripper
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.21 13:00:00 -
[218]
Hopefully the new server cluster will not ask:
"Would you like to play a game?"
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TheBlueMonkey
Gallente Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.21 13:19:00 -
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shiny :)
I've skipped pages so forgive me if this has been asked before.
I've seem some of the cool things that vmware can do, namely live switching. The demo I saw had them start a video on one virtual server and then pull the power on the physical node it was sat on (an extreme example I know) but what happened was that the VM server switched the virtual server to a new node instantly with no loss or judder in video stream.
It was rather impressive, the demo then went on to show the other options where the VM server managed all the virtual servers load increased on one node and the machine causing the cpu usage got moved to it's own node, a number of machines dropped usage so they all got moved to one node and the spare nodes were shut down to save heat+power.
cool stuff like that
umm... I should construct that as a question shouldn't I? Is that something you've looked into and is it something that could be used as a means of helping with lag during fleet fights.
Most 0.0 systems remain rather quite most of the time so a number of them would share one node then when a large fleet approaches the constelation the systems get moved between nodes as people move around. --
Nothing is worthless, you may have gotten it for free but it still has an inherent value
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Kimbeau Surveryor
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Posted - 2010.06.21 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: smaster
Originally by: CCP Yokai Edited by: CCP Yokai on 16/06/2010 14:26:51Do some research and see how many servers someone like a game about secondary life needs to operate at that level.
The last time I was doing second life, there was no lag and no users yelling at their computers, hammering their keyboards in rage.
No lag in SL? Which planet are you on?!? :-D
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Hawk TT
Caldari Bulgarian Experienced Crackers Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.21 14:27:00 -
[221]
Originally by: TheBlueMonkey shiny :)
I've skipped pages so forgive me if this has been asked before.
I've seem some of the cool things that vmware can do, namely live switching.
Yep, Vmware vSphere could do funky stuff like live migration of VMs between hosts. Despite it has bare-metal hypervisor, its performance is less than the native performance of the bare metal. CCP & EVE need every bit of performance and every possibility to reduce latency. Any additional layer would add latency and would "eat" from the raw performance of the server node. Anyway vSphere could not map a Virtual CPU (vCPU) to more than one physical CPU core, so it can't help with the single-OS-threaded nature of the SOL Servers
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Malorek
Minmatar EXITIUM DIRIPIO The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2010.06.21 15:18:00 -
[222]
Anyone know approx. how much this server setup costs in U.S. $?
I am just curious.
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cmaxx
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Posted - 2010.06.21 16:28:00 -
[223]
Hey CCP Yokai. I'm really interested in what you're doing and I wish you guys all the best on Wed.
I am interested, and a little surprised, by the comment that you've not saturated 1 GbE yet - cos that's not what I'd be paying attention to. :)
From my perspective, looking at the saturation of a network when considering whether to move up to the next speed grade means missing a big opportunity for latency reduction/management.
Consider: a server like a SQL Server or a SOL server won't be able to do anything at all with a packet until the very last byte has been received off the wire. Only then can the payload checksum be verified and the data within it passed up through the network stack, across the kernel boundary to the process. (aside: If it's a fragmented packet it'd be even worse.)
Now, consider the respective times for the *last* byte of a packet to be delivered over 1 GbE and 10 GbE.
The 10GbE connexion cuts that last-byte latency 10-fold. The first bit of the first byte should get there about as fast in both cases, but it's the last bit of the last byte that lets work begin.
Consider also that servers receive packets in streams and bursts, from lots of clients.. so that 10-fold reduction in the time-to-last-byte for one packet leads to a 19-fold reduction in latency for the next packet in line, and so on out until you reach the end of an average burst pattern.
And you see the benefit in both directions, from client to server, and from server back to client.
For my part, I think it's really worth bumping the network speed grade when the latency seen at end-user clients has a significant component made up from the sequential and/or combinatoric latency terms within the server cluster, which is my best guess for how TQ ends up working today.
10GbE port costs are now quite affordable, as are client card costs, especially if you get a bulk discount.
Now Cisco's latest hardware may be quite good but being a corporate behemoth and the market leader, they're frankly a little complacent, a little interally disorganized and no longer the technical be-all-and-end-all they once were. I have a little insight here.
With TQ being such a small (numerically) cluster and having important latency-driven behaviour within the server cluster architecture, I'd consider looking for switches from someone who has crafted their 10GbE hardware for the perfect combination of aggressive performance (even sub-microsecond) and high reliability.. the sort of thing people would use for high frequency trading infrastructure in global financial exchanges and for serious scientific computing. Someone like Arista: http://www.aristanetworks.com/ . Turns out they're also very price-competitive. Potnential for wins all round.
Enable Chimney etc. on Windows to get the best possible assist from the hardware and it'll push the bottlenecks right back to the software, CPUs and memory subsystems again.
But I guess you've spent your budget, so.. maybe in another year or so. :P
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geouss
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Posted - 2010.06.21 17:46:00 -
[224]
hi i have a question in the new changes.
is the bulk data going to be adjusted as well. there have been a few problems with it at the moment, although it only affects a few players.
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Caladain Barton
Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.21 23:36:00 -
[225]
Edited by: Caladain Barton on 21/06/2010 23:40:52
Originally by: Hawk TT Edited by: Hawk TT on 21/06/2010 08:34:56
Originally by: Caladain Barton Edited by: Caladain Barton on 21/06/2010 02:08:07 Edited by: Caladain Barton on 21/06/2010 02:04:43
Originally by: Hawk TT Edited by: Hawk TT on 21/06/2010 01:06:24 Each "SOL Server" runs on one CPU core, because of some limitations of Stackless Python (scripting language used for the server side programming).
Not correct. Stackless Python does multi-core parallel programming easily.
Actually you are not correct ;-) Without taking it personally, there is a difference between "multi-threaded" and "multi-core".
Of course. Because i'm not currently neck deep in it day-to-day?
You are absolutely correct that running a single python interpreter instance produces, at most, microthreads. Spam them microthreads all you like, but you're trapped to a single core. BUT, it is trivial to get multiple instances of that interpreter running and talking to one another. Python is a great glue language, and it's one of the reasons i love it and why we work in it. The overhead bites you when you have 128 physical cores in a box, but the performance gains are not trivial and well ahead of the curve.
The real key is that you treat the entire system as a real time system. All communications between the OS level python threads are established during initialization of the system. You Want to keep OS level processes alive. The cost in creating, spamming, and killing OS threads/processes is too much and negates the purpose..let them idle if they are not doing anything. The microthreads still are there, but now you shift them to cross-communicate between CPU cores, keeping all the heavy lifting on the core as much as possible. *If you spam processes, you will chew huge amounts of memory. The processes are merely there to facilitate transfer of data from one core/proc to another. Data Sync is, as with all parallel programming, challenging, but not exactly new ground*
Don't want to deal with all that? It wouldn't take more than a couple weeks to rewrite the parts that need it to support it in the interpreter.
Don't like Python? You can do the same in Java.
Really, the key is to spread the SOL node calculations across multiple cores. The rest is a mix of non-trivial and trivial details, but nothing is out of reach.
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Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.22 02:14:00 -
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Thought I should take some time and contribute something a little useful to this thread.
Another words, Pictures of hardware! =P
~ IBM HS21 ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQq3ZeDaBRk (Video) [This is the MX version] http://www.flickr.com/photos/e53/2367109255/
~ IBM X3850 M2 ~ (Was hard finding pics on this little bugger)
http://www-01.ibm.com/redbooks/community/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=2788036
If any information or pictures are not correct feel free to correct me! However, this is intended to hold us over until CCP Yokai posts another devblog!
=P
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Mjolinnar
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Posted - 2010.06.22 03:31:00 -
[227]
From My POV I believe that near everyone has missed the real issue here.......... Being that in that dead sexy Cold so very cold server room pic I saw NO where to chill the BEER! We cant just have the beer on the floor thats an OH&S hazard.
Why Is this so, Dont you guys drink beer ?
Mojo!
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boliano
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Posted - 2010.06.22 04:08:00 -
[228]
Originally by: CCP Yokai I'll set all my accounts to a 6 hour skill just to be sure ;)
All accts? Come on tell us how many accts a ccp employee has?
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Sed Man
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Posted - 2010.06.22 05:08:00 -
[229]
Originally by: Laendra Impressive
I actually expected a lot more, at least expected to see a few JS12/JS22.... I dont quite understand why using windows to drive this system is more effective than porting to AIX or another mainstream midrange OS.... maybe in the future...
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Sed Man
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Posted - 2010.06.22 05:17:00 -
[230]
Originally by: Hawk TT So, what options CCP has: a) Giving up on Stackless Python - it would mean rewriting millions of lines of code in....what? C++? Very unlikely, even if they had the R&D budget of Google or Micro$oft b) Throwing faster CPU cores @ the problem - this would provide limited scalability, becasue the modern CPUs go multi-core, they don't go with 10GHz frequency and the x86 architecture has very limited potential to improve in terms of IPC (Instructions per Cycle) performance. c) Throwing faster node interconnects like Infiniband + some HPC management stuff, so they could start moving SOL Servers on-the-fly (and not only during down-time) and on demand, so at least they could dedicate CPU cores to systems with large fleet battles. Jita has a dedicated CPU core and node, but Jita is predictable. Fleet battles are not so predictable, but at least CCP could gather statistics over time and could dedicate CPU cores to specific "hot" or "violent" 0.0 systems. I guess that CCP Yokai will announce soon improvements in this direction. d) Removing (detaching) secondary services out of the SOL Servers - Market, People & Places, Mail etc. - these are I/O intensive services and they put extra load on the SOL nodes - CPU cycles, I/O, networking etc. I guess CCP already acomplished "detaching" of Market & Mail... e) Last, but not least - employing GPGUs on the server nodes that could off-load thousands of "tiny caclulations" from the CPUs. x86 CPU cores have intrinsic serial nature, GPGPUs have intrinsic parallel nature. The question is if it is feasible to "export" some of the Stackless math functions to the GPGU and if the penalties and the overhead of moving data between CPU and GPGPU would be offset by the better raw performance of the GPGPU. It seems to me that its worth experimenting - the current SOL nodes uses old Intel FSB architecture and the effective memory bandwidht / latency is pretty comparable to the PCIe 2.0 performance. Once the data and the math code is in the GPGPU GDDR5 buffer, the calculations could be done in a massively parallel manner and CPU of the host will have free cycles to do other stuff...
this is why I wonder why not an IBM pSeries box... a 595 or even an older 690... lpars can dynamically share CPU from the pool and demand can move where its needed... cant do that with the wintel cluster.... a new 595 with power CPUs (8 core) will run the whole thing and all comms over the virtual switches are at infiniband/memory speed...and with VIO you can chuck many HBA's and MPIO up to the lpar.... many advantages over blades/blade centers... and if you have two of these 595's and the right software/firmware you can dynamically move all the lpars from one chassis to another... anyhow... I'm sure CCP have it all under control... even though it is on windows...
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amarri victari
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Posted - 2010.06.22 09:10:00 -
[231]
Ignore my children Fallout - for they will always have their opinions and ideas - its the way of intorwebspaceshipz, comes from spending too long in a pod .
I seriously appreciate, and look forward to the changes you are implementing.
certainly a step in the right direction and agree that starting from the ground up makes perfect sense.
My thanks to CCP
.......now, about the ship i lost in the last lag.....
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Murauke
Red White and Blue R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.06.22 09:31:00 -
[232]
Will this sort out black sreening, lagging, desyncing and what ever it is that is making this games performance so bad in clustered systems? we all know what i mean here - will it prevent situations like y-2 and 6jn? and will it help blob warfare where the decision TO fight is not based on server performance but the skill and ship setup of fleets?
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Lady Tramp
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Posted - 2010.06.22 09:50:00 -
[233]
Originally by: CCP Yokai I'll set all my accounts to a 6 hour skill just to be sure ;)
I think we need proof of that one. scrennie and api keys :)
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Gillbird
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.22 10:59:00 -
[234]
Edited by: Gillbird on 22/06/2010 11:04:40
Originally by: Dhalya And finally you are routing you heavy IP-traffic through your 7609/7613 Cisco utilzing the 720Mbps modules (route processors) & DFC's with multiple WAN links. Although the size of your WAN links as a whole can impose a deadly factor in lag issue, your running hardware is most probably your main issue (appart from coding issues).
Is that pic in dev blog actually from your running system? IMHO 20-Gbps fabric is quite tight to your whole system if you are connected all your servers to your router modules or are you using blade rack with blade switch where is like 2 x 1Gb uplinks, then you have tight uplinks ;)
Could be that you can not tell all but would be nice to know what kind system you have in there.
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Murauke
Red White and Blue R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.06.22 11:14:00 -
[235]
childish side note: why are you doing this during 9 and 3 when England are playing at 3.30? :)
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Gedrick frogue
Gallente ORIGIN SYSTEMS Shadows of Light
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Posted - 2010.06.22 12:10:00 -
[236]
Yarr for the extra cold hamsters but I do hope they have been fitted out with some cozy slippers to keep their feet warm, after all hamsters with frost bite arn't going to perform well Gedrick Frogue
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Thaddeus Veselic
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Posted - 2010.06.22 12:12:00 -
[237]
I'm just curious to know what vendor/model your SSD SAN is?
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Gillbird
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.22 12:47:00 -
[238]
Edited by: Gillbird on 22/06/2010 12:48:17 Edited by: Gillbird on 22/06/2010 12:47:46
Originally by: Thaddeus Veselic I'm just curious to know what vendor/model your SSD SAN is?
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1000604&page=5#136
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2010.06.22 12:58:00 -
[239]
Originally by: Hawk TT Actually GPGPU off-loading could fix great portion of the lag, if such tech could be implemented for the SOL servers responsible for the space-simulation in EVE.
The possibilities of (GP)GPU computing are often being overestimated. "Branchy" OO game code is typically something that is NOT well suited for GPU architectures. What often (but far from always) does run well on GPUs are signal processing type loads (lots of SIMD).
As for the upgrades, the "lag" improvement should be minimal, even considering that people are calling "lag" what are in fact at least four different issues (grid load, traffic controls, client side performance issues, actual lag). CCP stated that with Dominion the CPU usage on the servers actually went down, so they couldn't (and by the looks of it still can't even 6 months later) determine what was causing all those issues which were just okay before.
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llllSeraphimllll
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Posted - 2010.06.22 16:43:00 -
[240]
Can anyone confirm if the skill queue will still function as normal? or will we have to put on "one" long skill to see us through.
thanks for all the info Yokai its very interesting!
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Dzajic
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2010.06.22 21:58:00 -
[241]
Since I've been away from EVE at that time (and not a 00 denizen), I just recently red that it was Dominion that brought new sov mechanics and "star system upgrade POS modules" to game. Maybe some of those are the culprits for eating all the CPU time (or DB access).
It is a serious problem with your game CCP, and while mass testings are still going on, there haven't been any devblogs to add a single word more than that one old "we are aware of the issue".
As a lot folks said, trying to throw hardware upgrade to solve a software issue, and one that isn't innate to system (ok lag and grid load and all is innat to system but post Dominion decrease in performance is... post Dominion) is not the right way.
Hopefully all the sweet little furry hamsters will wake up healthy and cleanly tomorrow. But that fact remains that until you fix whatever Dominion broke, there is a danger that next large battle will cause some other coalition to lose 20 supercaps to not being able to control their ships for dozens of minutes or more.
What would happen if alliance leaders finally blew their lids of and joined to give a nice little interview to massively.com and tentonhammer about how EVE is broken and unplayable? That wouldn't be nice for anyone, but here is limit of what paying customers can tolerate.
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TripodAl
Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.06.23 00:29:00 -
[242]
Sometimes, hardware is cheaper than manpower. If hardware was cheaper than manpower to fix eve. More power to you.
In the end, I certainly want to what woke the lag monster.
I'll bet 2 isk it comes down to 1 line of code. It just seems fitting in IT.
Confirming hilarity @ random people knowing whats best for eve.
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Dzajic
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2010.06.23 01:04:00 -
[243]
Bugs and performance issues come from weirdest sources. Consider one particularity that all TQ play ans SISI testing has shown.
Client has to render 200 ships and weapon fire and whatever. No problem. 60+ fps, Add in 200 square frames and some letters (the terrible performance destroying brackets), you now have less than 1 fps.
Why? I cant tell 100% exactly, but among other things is that with 3D acceleration mania being the only thing GPU designers care about for last 13 years, no one bothers to have vectors, icons and text support directly on hardware and you have to do stupidly complicated and inefficient stuff to draw a single silly bracket in space.
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Katarin Savage
Gallente azinko
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Posted - 2010.06.23 03:48:00 -
[244]
love it buddy, I particularily may ot know wot your talking about as I aint a chilled out 'hamster' doing the legwork, but the fact you're willing spend the time n effort on postings like this, just proves how good you guys are!!!
pls, regardless keep posting!!! and archive the pages so you can prove just how good you've been in the past and how things have changed - love stuff like this!!! katarin savage ceo, azinko corp building a better future |
Vincardi
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.23 05:57:00 -
[245]
Edited by: Vincardi on 23/06/2010 05:57:52 Thank you CCP for keeping us informed and in the loop of things. Thank you for upgrading the servers so we may have better play time & less lag. And YES, I do love the behind the scene tech stuff. Wish there where pictures showing the units.
Great pics by the way.
I always wanted to know what actually supported and ran the universe of EVE. and when I seen this, I was happy my questions where answered.
I made sure I have a long skillbook running...lol
Ill spend the day watching movies and kicking back knowing EVE is going to be better than before.
Again, Thanks for keeping us in the loop.
thanks.
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Bund
Caldari THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.06.23 08:33:00 -
[246]
Props to Yokai for keeping us in the loop like this!
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Blue Harrier
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.23 08:40:00 -
[247]
Just dropped in to say 'Good luck with the move today' and see you all this evening.
Regards, Blue
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CCP Yokai
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Posted - 2010.06.23 08:50:00 -
[248]
It begins... see you guys/gals in 6 hours.
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Quincy
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Posted - 2010.06.23 09:08:00 -
[249]
rofl why stop there? Might as well go all 10GigE! I'm sure the switches and HBAs won't cost that much at all! lol;)
Very segzy gear. Raised floor > all.
q
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Alyssia Benar
Minmatar Cult of the Fluffy Bunny Ewoks
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Posted - 2010.06.23 20:55:00 -
[250]
first! what is the status of TQ?
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Mieryn Caval
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Posted - 2010.06.23 20:55:00 -
[251]
Originally by: CCP Yokai It begins... see you guys/gals in 6 hours.
Heh.
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T'ealk O'Neil
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Posted - 2010.06.23 20:55:00 -
[252]
Originally by: CCP Yokai It begins... see you guys/gals in 6 hours.
And here we are over 12 hours later... and still no eve...
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SnK Peel
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.23 20:57:00 -
[253]
The ash cloud is causing delays :)
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Hamm Adelph
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Posted - 2010.06.23 20:57:00 -
[254]
Better be getting some free game time for this extended downtime.
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ToXicPaIN
Minmatar Congregatio Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.23 20:58:00 -
[255]
i want a free PLEX CARD for this FUC*** PATCHDAYS !!!!
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Kano Tranker
New Eden Recon Force
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Posted - 2010.06.23 20:58:00 -
[256]
That's what you get doing a server upgrade in London when England are playing the world cup. They are all in the pub. ... Kano Tranker |
Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad
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Posted - 2010.06.23 20:59:00 -
[257]
hi,
I have moved 3 complete clusters in the time it has taken you to do one. And i didnt have a patch map. And all the leads and sockets are one colour. And the clusters were underwater. + LDSkill+hireLDS |
J3richo
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Posted - 2010.06.23 20:59:00 -
[258]
Originally by: Hamm Adelph Better be getting some free game time for this extended downtime.
would be nice
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SkinSin
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:00:00 -
[259]
ha ha ha ha ha. 12 hours just to get the web site back? After you forecast 3 hours for it? At that rate, I reckon that TQ will be back by about 9am tomorrow morning
Whoever does your planning is ****!
I'm glad I *did* put a long skill onto train now...
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Tasic
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:00:00 -
[260]
If anyone took the time to read their downtime hours when opening the EVE Client, it says 23:00 UTC, so another 2 hrs before TQ comes up, approximately.
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HANS ZARK0V
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:00:00 -
[261]
Edited by: HANS ZARK0V on 23/06/2010 21:01:30 watching the Battlestar Galactica pilot in the meantime. - season 1-4 prepared for an extended downtime
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Michael Kristiansen
Galaxy Punks Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:01:00 -
[262]
PURE FAIL!!
Hire some proper guys ffs..
Its been down for 13 hours now, its hilarious!!
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente Eclats de verre
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:02:00 -
[263]
Hamsters are on strike I guess! It's time to get the whips and start whipping them!
Well, it's what happen when you try using a server admin to carry the servers, he breaks things! -- Fanfest memories : I looked in your eyes And I found the galaxy Now I'm stuck in eve.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:03:00 -
[264]
At least tell us what went wrong! -------- All I want is a better mankind.
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T'ealk O'Neil
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:04:00 -
[265]
Edited by: T''ealk O''Neil on 23/06/2010 21:04:34
Originally by: Tasic If anyone took the time to read their downtime hours when opening the EVE Client, it says 23:00 UTC, so another 2 hrs before TQ comes up, approximately.
Oh FFS! I just saw that!
This was the first evening I had free this week to play eve as well - looks like that is not going to happening now
If they took a break to watch the football I shall be well ****ed!
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Lan Staz
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:04:00 -
[266]
The new high-density server racks are actually made of cous-cous and are proving to be more of a problem than anticipated.
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Devlyn McKhon
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:05:00 -
[267]
Originally by: Tasic If anyone took the time to read their downtime hours when opening the EVE Client, it says 23:00 UTC, so another 2 hrs before TQ comes up, approximately.
i loged it on at about 20:25, it said 21:00 at that time, thought cool, half hour left, now it reading 23:00, so thats been adjusted.
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Macky1
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:05:00 -
[268]
I wonder if CCP Fallout will read this thread after the 16th's announcement.
Anyway, what happens to us little people who "pay" for the service which is clearly not being provided? I understand that there are always teething problems with updates like this, but surely, we "must" get somehting in return from CCP?
I think it only right? Don't you?
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Kzolo
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:05:00 -
[269]
Oki EVE is a nice game but those CCP guys are just ******ed! FFs they never hold the ****ing timeline.. And the updates on whats happening is just NON-existing...
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Slobodanka
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:06:00 -
[270]
Originally by: CCP Yokai It begins... see you guys/gals in 6 hours.
Ohai! You were traveling mighty fast for the last six hours if it took you 12 earth hours to get back... relative much?
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ninjitsu3
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:08:00 -
[271]
ok so I like how you guys stick to your time frames its really makes it hard to trust you guys on this when this keeps happening .
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Derkata
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:08:00 -
[272]
Edited by: Derkata on 23/06/2010 21:09:07
Originally by: Macky1 I wonder if CCP Fallout will read this thread after the 16th's announcement.
Anyway, what happens to us little people who "pay" for the service which is clearly not being provided? I understand that there are always teething problems with updates like this, but surely, we "must" get somehting in return from CCP?
I think it only right? Don't you?
Who says we aren't?
And ninjitsu, I've just been informed that since you have the power of foresight, CCP will be hiring you from now on to let people know how long to expect something like this to last.
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Demisius
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:08:00 -
[273]
I can't believe it went from 15:00 to 18:00, then to 21:00 and now to sodding 23:00. thats midnight here in the UK!!!!!! I was actually looking forward to coming on after work which was like 5 hours ago, i had trading to do, which means i've lost out on a lot of profit today
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Meshunida
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:08:00 -
[274]
I'm sure they have the right people on the job or they wouldn't be doing maintenance. and be patient it takes time to do the job right. but where is the free isk for all this waiting. hmm....
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Eckstacy
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:08:00 -
[275]
Heaven forbid y'all might actually have to leave the house, or even worse spend time with the girlfriend. Sheesh.
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Purpleshade
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:09:00 -
[276]
Edited by: Purpleshade on 23/06/2010 21:15:02
i think the PLEX should be 31 days not 30 as there is 30 hours at least you can't play eve and thats on a non extended downtime month, so that 30 hours could be added on to plex even just for a day added on to the 30 play time wich you really only get 29.7days of "play time"
just a idea
lucky i put 4 days training on lol
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Walter Sting
Minmatar Russian Thunder Squad Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:09:00 -
[277]
Originally by: CCP Yokai It begins... see you guys/gals in 6 hours.
LOL --------- Im fine, then you cry. |
StarStryder
WISE OUTCASTS
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:09:00 -
[278]
Originally by: Abrazzar At least tell us what went wrong!
I'm sure they will. Maybe you should at least try letting them finish the upgrade before demanding explanations.
As for all the refund demands, this is how it's gone. ****ing live with it. So you've lost one evening out of 30, so what, half a euro?
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blam11
Caldari Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:09:00 -
[279]
Edited by: blam11 on 23/06/2010 21:09:45 k ... web servers of eve is back online ... but when sisi - tq and co is back online ?
anyone have estimated eta ?
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T'ealk O'Neil
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:09:00 -
[280]
Well this is the about the 6th time they've changed the uptime - why don;t they just say "Look guys we are crap at keeping to a deadline and have no idea when the server will be back up. Oh and you'll get no free time back :P"
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liltim
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:09:00 -
[281]
Good thing i wasn't actually planning on playing much today... but maybe the upgrades will be worth the wait. Don't let me down CCP.
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Macky1
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:10:00 -
[282]
Originally by: Kzolo .. And the updates on whats happening is just NON-existing...
I totally agree! there's no where we can find out how long it's going to take apart form loading up the client! But more to the point, it'd be nice to know what the delays are. not just a time? It's as if they don't care!
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Miradir
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:11:00 -
[283]
Ok this is bull**** ppl...first you say from 0900 to 1500 then you change it to 1500 to 1800 then AGAIN you change it from 1800 to 2100 and now from 2100 to 2300....is this supposed to be some kind of joke? I understand problems occur during the move, but INFORM the rest of us through this forum to let us know and for crying out loud determine the time needed to fix this and not just changing the TQ online schedule every 3 hours!
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NicZtego
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:11:00 -
[284]
Is this joke?
You should raise ours licence time by one day or give us back money for lost day...
Why do U cheat us telling firs that it will be 15, than 18, than 21, now 23...
It will be fair to tell the true: we aaren't able to say when we strat server again, so just pray for us and our "coders" Or smoething in that kind.
Just be sreious. And tell: WHEN???
NZT
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Justanotherspai
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:11:00 -
[285]
WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH MY EVE?
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Pipe Wrench
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:12:00 -
[286]
To everybody who is complaining about downtime and would like something from CCP in return, they told me to give you this:
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Alyssia Benar
Minmatar Cult of the Fluffy Bunny Ewoks
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:12:00 -
[287]
Originally by: Tasic If anyone took the time to read their downtime hours when opening the EVE Client, it says 23:00 UTC, so another 2 hrs before TQ comes up, approximately.
damn that¦s one in the morning MEST well good night guys see you tomorrow...
i guess server will be online at about 13 UTC...
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Hunter Stevens
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:13:00 -
[288]
Edited by: Hunter Stevens on 23/06/2010 21:13:58 It seems to me that CCp should consider migrating to a new infrastucture and not "Hot cutting" everything. And if everything is all segmented into huge subnets that causes them to Hot cut this stuff, they may consider breaking things apart a bit so these moves are more Scaleable. It would seem to me that the Furums, Websires, and game servers should be migrated in 3 windows instead of one, and preferably migrated one by one to eliminate as much downtime as possible to the paying customers across all 3 services, ie web, fourum, and game servers. Just my thought.
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Magellan Harris
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:13:00 -
[289]
Ive been wanting to play to but sh*t happens, free time? lol there probably busting there ars to get things up a running again. either that or there at the pub watching soccer lol
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BJK
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:14:00 -
[290]
Sheesh, give CCP a break! It's not as easy as copying-and-pasting server information, there's a lot more happening!
They know what they're doing - after all, they run the game. The most professional + successful MMORPG of all time - forever expanding and all that jazz. They're not maliciously sabotaging your mining ops, guys!
As much as I'm looking forward to the entire thing running smoother and faster, I'm not going to die if it doesn't happen exactly when it says. =) |
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Dovlar
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:14:00 -
[291]
Originally by: Rellik B00n hi,
I have moved 3 complete clusters in the time it has taken you to do one. And i didnt have a patch map. And all the leads and sockets are one colour. And the clusters were underwater.
yea, and I moved all of my 23 vmware virtual windows clusters in ten minutes with my usb hard drive to my grandma house
CCP screwed its infracture when they did "upgrade" to Microsoft sql database server, I never seen any serious database run on Microsoft product, not that there isn't any, but they for sure have extended downtimes or if they don't that means they just plan it three times longer than needed. I still remember that downtime beacause of database "upgrade", poor choice, especially when CCP can afford Oracle product. How on earth CCP did you manage to swallow that sweat talk of microsoft salesman lol, i guess database server was easy to use and has user friendly managmant tools :-P
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StarStryder
WISE OUTCASTS
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:14:00 -
[292]
Originally by: Purpleshade Edited by: Purpleshade on 23/06/2010 21:08:46 i think the PLEX should be 31 days not 30 as there is 30 hours at least you can't play eve and thats on a non extended downtime month, so that 30 hours could be added on to plex even just for a day
And so they just increase the cost. You're buying 30 days of gameplay time with the D/T factored in.
Originally by: NicZtego Why do U cheat us telling firs that it will be 15, than 18, than 21, now 23... Just be sreious. And tell: WHEN???
These time scales are always estimates and when it goes wrong all you can do is give your best guess. If you thought that these estimates were definite then it just shows how clueless you are.
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Lady Tramp
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:15:00 -
[293]
Originally by: Lady Tramp
Originally by: CCP Yokai I'll set all my accounts to a 6 hour skill just to be sure ;)
I think we need proof of that one. scrennie and api keys :)
So CCP Yokai.... I see you have wasted some skilltraining time now..... But you have the option on the right click menu: get skill?? Am i right?.
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Murph Dog
The Flying Tigers United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:15:00 -
[294]
Originally by: Demisius i had trading to do, which means i've lost out on a lot of profit today
E-Trade.... There go try that, I hear shares in Whine companies are through the roof today. _____ My Sig is teh boring
And Now It's GREEN!!! -Yipsilanti |
Miss Ishii
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:16:00 -
[295]
1500 UTC has become 2300 UTC as per usual downtime is a total guestimate. If CCP has to offline servers for what in effect is a whole day we should be getting a days worth of PLEX credit, comments?
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nat longshot
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:16:00 -
[296]
i got to ask. does ccp even know what the hell they are doing. main site say restart 1500 now push back to 2300. Damn CCP are you taken those extra 8 hours off down time out of everyone accounts. I hope not. my planets were set to shut down 3 hours after restart now there not doning anything thanks for nothing.
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Cpt Soma
Republic-Commando
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:17:00 -
[297]
How fortunate I am that I had injected a 15 days skill right before dt :) keep moving! Keep killing!
Somedays it will all end in death.. and then it will continue with a new birth.. |
Poo Ka'hontas
Red Eye Industrial
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:17:00 -
[298]
Jebus mary and josef
Calm down people, we lost half a day of EVE.. whats the biggie? All we do when TQ is up is to complain then to About lag, nerfs, lo-sec or whatnot..
Today i ate dinner with my wife and father, played with our dog, watched some telly with said missus and generally enjoyed a fine day of delicious summer in the company of people who actually physically is in the same room as me
CCP is doing the best they can (not that it is impressing or anything) and EVE will be back up when it is good and ready.
Call your grandma, smoke some pot, have a drink or whatnot.. (preferably NOT the other way around ).
Originally by: CCP Fallout
No. CCP Shadow should behave the same way forums do during downtime. Up, but maybe a little slow.
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BENDER 1
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:18:00 -
[299]
Well last time CCP moved was about the same situation so it's not surprising....just pray it will work from the first startup:)) last time it took something like few days ....
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Macky1
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:18:00 -
[300]
The people speak. CCP take notice please!
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Annowyn
Ammatar.
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:18:00 -
[301]
Originally by: nat longshot i got to ask. does ccp even know what the hell they are doing. main site say restart 1500 now push back to 2300. Damn CCP are you taken those extra 8 hours off down time out of everyone accounts. I hope not. my planets were set to shut down 3 hours after restart now there not doning anything thanks for nothing.
Have you been playing for a week? If you do not know to square everything away for at least a week before down time: SHAME ON YOU.
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Trilaac
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:19:00 -
[302]
Originally by: Dovlar
CCP screwed its infracture when they did "upgrade" to Microsoft sql database server, I never seen any serious database run on Microsoft product, not that there isn't any, but they for sure have extended downtimes or if they don't that means they just plan it three times longer than needed. I still remember that downtime beacause of database "upgrade", poor choice, especially when CCP can afford Oracle product. How on earth CCP did you manage to swallow that sweat talk of microsoft salesman lol, i guess database server was easy to use and has user friendly managmant tools :-P
everything is done in Stackless Python.. no SQL is needed.
The entire cluster system amounts to over 3TB of data... if the data is not moved, allocated and tested thoroughly before launch, something will break, causing more downtime. Plus, they've had to construct the room and hardware, config it, copy all data, boot and test in offline mode, which could take hours if we're honest as they have to test EVERYTHING.
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Chikuma
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:19:00 -
[303]
a few ppl in here should get a gf :3 - ccp is doing good *\o/*
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Vannimo
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:19:00 -
[304]
Edited by: Vannimo on 23/06/2010 21:20:08 Well, computers never do what you want them to do. (Especially windows based ones XD)
To bad I couldn't play today before going to bed, but hey, rather this then server crashes due to overload.
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FaeVerite
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:19:00 -
[305]
Edited by: FaeVerite on 23/06/2010 21:27:40 Edit: I agree with BJK they are doing their best !! Major Move of everything to hopefully improve game and no one expects delays?? I am gathering even with my non-techno babble abilities this is a new system not thoroughly tried out. Maybe give them some slack. Trust me I have seen more down time in other online games. This is really not that bad.. this free plex wah wah .... LAUGH sorry seriously this is nothing. Now if the Whole system shift doesn't work in a day or two and comes crashing down around ears then yes ... got a legitimate ask for money back complaint.. IF YOU PAID with Cash NOT PLEX. LMAO!!
just my 2 cents
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Gueniveree
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:20:00 -
[306]
Why the hell aint it still working? I like compensations in my playtime because of the extended downtime. We pay for this game!
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Nupid Stoobs
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:20:00 -
[307]
The only sin here is the time estimate.
They should know by now to overestimate the down-time, not underestimate it. Continually screwing with peoples' expectations is just foolish. |
BlackChii
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:20:00 -
[308]
Edited by: BlackChii on 23/06/2010 21:20:55 CCP should send out updates on what is going on having a reason posted would help calm people down and i just started another alts so i'm going to lose a lot of train time because i don't have those 1-2 day skills yet
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Tatjana Dragonfyre
Amarr Core Synthesis Unlimited
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:21:00 -
[309]
Everyone, who is complaining about that extended Downtime: STFU, HTFU and gb2wow! There you can get free days blown up your ass until you explode. This is a game for real men (Insert Random ToolTime pun here) and real men don't complain! It is a fact that we all WILL benefit from the major improvement of the servers stability, response times and capacity.
Thank you CCP for this Server Upgrade, it was time for it. Whatever those Problems do while trying to pod you: Good Luck and may the schwartz be with you!
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De'Vadder
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:21:00 -
[310]
God, why do i even read these threads anymore, you guys are pathetic.
Its allways the same, why cant you calm down? Moving everything to a new place takes some time and im sure they are doing their best. Whining wont help.
What i find quite interesting in these threads though, is that allways people threat how they will leave and play some other game, noone ever says hes gonna _return_ to some other game. As everybody who ever had to deal with the support, bug hunting and information policy in basically every other online game knows how good CCP treats us. ^^
So why not relax, maybe play some flash game (i recommend Transformice or Robot Unicorn Attack) or read a newspaper? And why is there still nothing that sets content apart from signature? Is that intentional or technically imposible? |
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Purpleshade
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:21:00 -
[311]
well come on by now you should of learnt to expect downtime not to be like they say, it's like train service (never on time) lol but you should all know to put on a long extended skill training as i've never know extended to finish on time,
But this has to be a bad one i do agree with what people are saying, a day at least added to all accounts for the near 23 hours that people have not managed to play..
we do pay to play
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Rasz Lin
Caldari Maniacal Necro Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:22:00 -
[312]
I LOL in general direction of people who didnt set >4 day skill for the DT
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Farkook
SandStorm.
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:23:00 -
[313]
Edited by: Farkook on 23/06/2010 21:24:31 CCP Fallout: Dear Players, you just got PUNKED........AGAIN,
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wolftin21
Gallente Black Serpent Technologies R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:23:00 -
[314]
I would have to agree with Miss ishii, getting 1 day isk credit to all is fair sense ccp cant seem to get stuff done right the first time.As well all can be making isk or kill other people ships.
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Macky1
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:23:00 -
[315]
Originally by: Rasz Lin I LOL in general direction of people who didnt set >4 day skill for the DT
There are characters here that are new, and maybe they cant yet? I'm not one of them, but sadly, think of the noobs!
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BENDER 1
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:24:00 -
[316]
EVEmon works looks like DB back online:)
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Nellavan
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:24:00 -
[317]
Originally by: Demisius I was actually looking forward to coming on after work which was like 5 hours ago, i had trading to do, which means i've lost out on a lot of profit today
You haven't lost any profit because noone else has been able to log on and trade either.
Jeez, do you people not even think about what you're saying before coming in here and moaning?
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CaptainQuick
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:24:00 -
[318]
OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG here we go folks hold onto ya POS's and watch out for the famous rubberband effect when warping.....YUP i remeber the last time they updated the actual server it was hell for like 2 weeks well actually longer!!!! But all well maybe they have learned from that last time and maybe adjust it into this new one...who knows.....
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Janith Arakz
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:25:00 -
[319]
I found its been an excellent time for some EFT Warrioring, I came up with a loltastic fit for a Kestrel. Something always goes wrong, whether it be firewall rules, a cable plugged in the wrong place, a cluster that just won't boot up, a cable not plugged in at all, who knows. What is for definite is that the game will be back up.
Have fun.
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JediRobin
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:25:00 -
[320]
Edited by: JediRobin on 23/06/2010 21:27:04 Isn't it about time we get reimbursed either in isk or account time for all these downtime's.
if you multiply 1 hour down every day plus all the unexpected ones plus updated and patches.
CCP owes us all nearly a month credit.
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Lord Neko
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:25:00 -
[321]
I Snapped this picture of CCP Technical Team earlier
Also good work on the updating, to be honest it could be worse. They could be like Dice when Bad Company 2 was released and told us it would be down an hour which turned out to be a couple of days.
As for time estimation, i'm not to fussed about the wait but it would be nice to have a lil link in Eve to just small updates about whats going on.
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Jared Tobin
Bloodstone Industries B.S.I.
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:25:00 -
[322]
Originally by: Nupid Stoobs The only sin here is the time estimate.
They should know by now to overestimate the down-time, not underestimate it. Continually screwing with peoples' expectations is just foolish.
I agree. If they said 23:00 from the beginning, none of these posts would exist.
They need to learn from ol' Scotty and how he kept his reputation as "a miracle worker":
http://blogs.popart.com/2007/07/what-scotty-from-star-trek-can-teach-us-about-managing-expectations/
[chuckling]
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Cloven Keller
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:25:00 -
[323]
I am use to IT projects coming in past due and over budget at my work... but you can always fire and hire another IT company to come in - then they will eventually end up past due and over budget as well.
For once I would like someone in the IT business to give an estimate - then a competent project manager to add 50% more time and 60% more budget before providing a quote.
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Adilette
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:26:00 -
[324]
One extra day to my subscripton pls
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soy
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:26:00 -
[325]
It would be great if they took photographs or made videos of what's going on, and uploaded them here... That would shut us up :P
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BlackBeard NL
Minmatar House of Tempers
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:26:00 -
[326]
ty ccp i finally did the dishes, my house smells like lemon and i have something in my fridge again. Awesome! I even seen some daylight today.
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alex12312
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:26:00 -
[327]
my skill ended 10 minutes ago.
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AoshiKenshin
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:26:00 -
[328]
Does anybody know what a human is? Funny thing is they make mistakes and everyone (everyone who isn't whining on this forum) knows that sometimes things don't always go as planned. Sure CCP is 8 hours late but they are doing this to make your time more enjoyable. Its about 580,000,000 isk for 60 days game time. So for about 8 hours of gameplay it's about 3 million isk, which isn't anything for people playing longer than a month. So all you guys need to quit whining and do something productive while waiting.
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Napalm78
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:26:00 -
[329]
Time to Sew them, i am paying and not receiving product...
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Demisius
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:26:00 -
[330]
Originally by: Nellavan
Originally by: Demisius I was actually looking forward to coming on after work which was like 5 hours ago, i had trading to do, which means i've lost out on a lot of profit today
You haven't lost any profit because noone else has been able to log on and trade either.
Jeez, do you people not even think about what you're saying before coming in here and moaning?
Actually i have lost profit cus if the servers were up, i'd be making money, money i need to buy myself a plex so i can have another months game time
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sniper29a
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:27:00 -
[331]
I would like to ask ccp admins few questions, as fellow unix/linux admin, regarding administration of eve servers.
1. Could you clarify one hour maintenance every day, please? All servers can be managed on-the-fly. Do you use something special which needs switch off servers everyday?
2. Despite, you have everyday maintenance, quality of service doesn't reflect this maintenace. Database crash all the time, weird things going on with eve interaction. Perhaps, ghost in the machine?
I would also appreciate if you restrict multi-account players in login queue. I have got one account and cannot login??? It is happening to me very often that I cannot login. 10,000 players x 5 account each. How should one enjoy eve if there is so many restrictions to really enjoy this game.
It is nice that you are working on graphic FX and so on, but you still not fix font size issue. Do you all ccp guys still work on 14" CRT screens? I would appreciate if you once try to play on 22" + screen and let me know if you can read something from the screen at normal viewing distance.
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nat longshot
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:27:00 -
[332]
Originally by: Annowyn
Originally by: nat longshot i got to ask. does ccp even know what the hell they are doing. main site say restart 1500 now push back to 2300. Damn CCP are you taken those extra 8 hours off down time out of everyone accounts. I hope not. my planets were set to shut down 3 hours after restart now there not doning anything thanks for nothing.
Have you been playing for a week? If you do not know to square everything away for at least a week before down time: SHAME ON YOU.
Annowyn how long you been playing. bug off iam sick of pay for **** that ccp does and takes the time from our accounts and wastes it.
Side note over 2 years of playing this game i think i have to right now to ***** about them not sticking to the dead lines they set for restart and then still removeing that time from our accounts.
I know what it takes to do a move thanks. As allway CCP DRops the ball.
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Jim Luc
Caldari Rule of Five Lucky Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:28:00 -
[333]
Yeah, don't get your panties all in a bunch ladies. They'll have TQ online and running when it's ready. In the meantime, go get some sun.
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Rasz Lin
Caldari Maniacal Necro Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:28:00 -
[334]
Originally by: Macky1
Originally by: Rasz Lin I LOL in general direction of people who didnt set >4 day skill for the DT
There are characters here that are new, and maybe they cant yet? I'm not one of them, but sadly, think of the noobs!
I made Thrasher gank throwaway alt 2 days ago and had no problem making 3 day queue before DT.
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ShasUiAlan
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:28:00 -
[335]
Ok lol 15:00 to 18:00 to 21:00 to 23:00 that is realy good time keeping :P they should take a page from the book of scotty! if they think they can do it in 6 hours they should tell us its gona take them 18 hours, that way if they're prediction of when they will finish is wrong ( which it always is ) we wont notice, AND if they finish before the bogusly long time they told us we will think they are miricle workers! so basically, to everyone who thought they would be flying internet spaceships tonight (myself included) check in tomorrow and see if they're finished by then, go watch TV or read a book, im gona read my Dawn of War : Blood Ravens novel have fun all !
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Jaabaa
Minmatar Dental Drilling Corporation
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:28:00 -
[336]
Originally by: Tatjana Dragonfyre Everyone, who is complaining about that extended Downtime: STFU, HTFU and gb2wow!
Err, how about NO.
Originally by: Tatjana Dragonfyre There you can get free days blown up your ass until you explode. This is a game for real men (Insert Random ToolTime pun here) and real men don't complain!
Let me guess, you've been playing for 3 years and are now an expert at managing CCP hardware transfers.
Originally by: Tatjana Dragonfyre It is a fact that we all WILL benefit from the major improvement of the servers stability, response times and capacity.
Speaking from experience, your "WILL" is a "MIGHT" on all of the above
Originally by: Tatjana Dragonfyre Thank you CCP for this Server Upgrade, it was time for it. Whatever those Problems do while trying to pod you: Good Luck and may the schwartz be with you!
IMHO, I only hope that the server works as well as it did before the physical move .... -- EVE Mobile Skill Planner V3 !! http://evemsp.sourceforge.net/ |
Raven Seldon
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:29:00 -
[337]
Well thanks for messing up my skilltraining scheme!
Never thought from 9:00 till 15:00 would take 8 hours more! ______________________________________________ Everyone has the right to be stupid. Just don't abuse the privilege! |
twomtNW
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:29:00 -
[338]
Seriously, I've been here for a few years and seen several upgrades, patches and whatever else needed a downtime. They've never been within the originally planned window and people should have thought about that when they decided what skill to train. I have 15 days left on my training so am not too fussed. If you have a training that finishes only a few hours after the originally planned window ends then you can make a note for the next time to not do that again ;)
I rather wait a few more hours and have a working system then a lag fest everytime we hit PB with a large fleet.
Just my 2 cents.
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Alpha Dread
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:29:00 -
[339]
Nothing to say, a whole EVE day lost..... Lag is going down for sure.....
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Trilaac
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:30:00 -
[340]
web, character, account, database servers are all up now,. so skill monitors will resume once they reconnect.. game servers are on their way up now.
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jobs lot
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:30:00 -
[341]
Originally by: Napalm78 Time to Sew them, i am paying and not receiving product...
OMG!!!!
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Isabella Thresher
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:30:00 -
[342]
Originally by: Dovlar
CCP screwed its infracture when they did "upgrade" to Microsoft sql database server, I never seen any serious database run on Microsoft product, blablabablablablablablablablablablablabla
you have no clue at all
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Atomic boobinspecter
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:31:00 -
[343]
Do me a favor and take ya whiney arse to HED system and get podded 50billion times....quit crying if ya had more then one account you would dual box also so STFU
Originally by: sniper29a I would like to ask ccp admins few questions, as fellow unix/linux admin, regarding administration of eve servers.
1. Could you clarify one hour maintenance every day, please? All servers can be managed on-the-fly. Do you use something special which needs switch off servers everyday?
2. Despite, you have everyday maintenance, quality of service doesn't reflect this maintenace. Database crash all the time, weird things going on with eve interaction. Perhaps, ghost in the machine?
I would also appreciate if you restrict multi-account players in login queue. I have got one account and cannot login??? It is happening to me very often that I cannot login. 10,000 players x 5 account each. How should one enjoy eve if there is so many restrictions to really enjoy this game.
It is nice that you are working on graphic FX and so on, but you still not fix font size issue. Do you all ccp guys still work on 14" CRT screens? I would appreciate if you once try to play on 22" + screen and let me know if you can read something from the screen at normal viewing distance.
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Buckaroo Kamakazee
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:32:00 -
[344]
Originally by: Macky1
Originally by: Rasz Lin I LOL in general direction of people who didnt set >4 day skill for the DT
There are characters here that are new, and maybe they cant yet? I'm not one of them, but sadly, think of the noobs!
Then it will be a learning experience for the n00bs that CCP never, ever meet their posted up times. Also, if they completely filled their training que, most likely it goes beyond 24 hrs and should most likely be okay. I have no sympathy for anyone who didn't do that at a bare minimum.
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Cloven Keller
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:32:00 -
[345]
Originally by: twomtNW Seriously, I've been here for a few years and seen several upgrades, patches and whatever else needed a downtime. They've never been within the originally planned window and people should have thought about that when they decided what skill to train. I have 15 days left on my training so am not too fussed. If you have a training that finishes only a few hours after the originally planned window ends then you can make a note for the next time to not do that again ;)
I rather wait a few more hours and have a working system then a lag fest everytime we hit PB with a large fleet.
Just my 2 cents.
Simple answer - don't have the people working on the project be responsible for managing it - time for CCP to cut the profit margin a bit and hire another PM that can put contractors, budgets, and schedules in line.
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Ascari1
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:33:00 -
[346]
Originally by: Arrador what could possibly gow rong?
Don't Say That !!!
Curse You Jeremy Clarkson !!!!
I was gona say that but you did it first
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Alyssia Benar
Minmatar Cult of the Fluffy Bunny Ewoks
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:33:00 -
[347]
Originally by: CCP Fallout Hello all,
We have successfully moved our Tranquility servers to their new location, and Tranquility is scheduled to return to service at 23:00 UTC. Our original plan was to have the Web sites and Tranquility returned to service at 15:00 UTC, however, during the move we discovered network and SAN switch issues, which resulted in an extended service return delay. We have resolved those issues, and are working on returning Tranquility to service as quickly as possible.
Thank you all for your patience while we undertook this necessary server move. For more information about the move itself, please check out CCP YokaiÆs dev blog .
Update #1: EVE Gate is tied to Tranquility and will be down until TQ returns to service.
Update #2: We are investigating an issue with the EVE Store, and are working on re-enabling the API.
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Pigcess Leia
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:33:00 -
[348]
To all the whiners asking for compensation: You're asking for .50. Really, that's what you paid & lost today...GET OVER IT ffs, bunch of impatient kids moaning on the boards. Get a life go outside, play your Xbox, PS3, or whatever.
Much <3 to the guys & gals @ CCP. CCP let the hamsters take the day off while they got their new offices sorted out. What did the hamsters do you ask during this off time....They got ****faced watching the world cup. Drunk hamsters = no Eve.
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Canti Ludan
The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:33:00 -
[349]
upgrading that much hardware is a witch with a huge B. Quit the griping or CCP might decide to charge for the next expansion...
I don't know any other MMO out there that gives free expansions,lets you skill up while logged off, pay for the game with ingame currency, and lets the player base know whats going on.
If you don't like STFU and go back to WOW
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Deb Ian
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:34:00 -
[350]
Originally by: StarStryder
Originally by: Purpleshade Edited by: Purpleshade on 23/06/2010 21:08:46 i think the PLEX should be 31 days not 30 as there is 30 hours at least you can't play eve and thats on a non extended downtime month, so that 30 hours could be added on to plex even just for a day
And so they just increase the cost. You're buying 30 days of gameplay time with the D/T factored in.
Originally by: NicZtego Why do U cheat us telling firs that it will be 15, than 18, than 21, now 23... Just be sreious. And tell: WHEN???
These time scales are always estimates and when it goes wrong all you can do is give your best guess. If you thought that these estimates were definite then it just shows how clueless you are.
He is not clueless, you are, by attacking him instead of ccp. These are computers, and they are predictable if you have a clue about them, unlike my old neighbour who thinks that computer hates her. CCP got problems because they didnt have a clue into what they will run in when migrating, no expereince, no clue plus using microsoft software.
CCP pls it is already hard enough to justify paying for game in which you waste your remaining life hours trying to achive something, so pls keep servers up or you leave us with nothing to do, when we have nothing to do we start to think (at least some of us), and thinking usually makes you quit playing, cause we already started to play not to think about something else in a first to place, full circle
And btw, I find CCP name offensive (crowd control something), should I file petition ?
CCP does not respect player, they just figured that there geeks out there who will pay money to lvl up in universe.
Nomen est omen
I am fine with that for the moment (except the name).
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Hunter Stevens
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:34:00 -
[351]
Originally by: Meshunida I'm sure they have the right people on the job or they wouldn't be doing maintenance. and be patient it takes time to do the job right. but where is the free isk for all this waiting. hmm....
In the professional IT world, you don't exceed your time window. Professionals have a Implementation, validation, and back out procedures. If work can't be done in the Maintenance window as work is moving along, the backout procedure is executed, and back to the drawing board it goes to diagnose what went wrong. Then again, CCp can only be as professional with what income they make with us users. I don't know their financial situation, but I'd like to think as EVE grows, they would spend more income on folks with more experience with network/server migration and efficiency. It can be quite costly, but at the same time, downtime would be waaay less than this with a developed plan with the appropriate rescources onboard.
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Erehwon Rorschach
Instigators Incorperated
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:34:00 -
[352]
Originally by: Napalm78 Time to Sew them, i am paying and not receiving product...
Hmmmmm i think he's trying to stitch CCP up by the sound of it
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Whenua Momona
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:35:00 -
[353]
Could not connect to the specified address. Odds are that you have not established an internet connection, the server isn't running, or the server address or port number was wrong.
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Napalm78
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:35:00 -
[354]
Timemanagement would do the trick. I wonder if they effer heard of fallback senario's or point of no return etc.. Backup servers and such...
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nomis ekoobmah
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:35:00 -
[355]
Originally by: JediRobin Edited by: JediRobin on 23/06/2010 21:27:04 Isn't it about time we get reimbursed either in isk or account time for all these downtime's.
if you multiply 1 hour down every day plus all the unexpected ones plus updated and patches.
CCP owes us all nearly a month credit.
You do realise that an EVE day is only 23 hours long.
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Rasz Lin
Caldari Maniacal Necro Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:35:00 -
[356]
Originally by: sniper29a
1. Could you clarify one hour maintenance every day, please? All servers can be managed on-the-fly. Do you use something special which needs switch off servers everyday?
they use Microsoft ....
Originally by: sniper29a
2. Despite, you have everyday maintenance, quality of service doesn't reflect this maintenace. Database crash all the time, weird things going on with eve interaction. Perhaps, ghost in the machine?
nah, just Microsoft SQL servers ...
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VLAD VIRONS
Gallente GLITCHED OVERVIEW ANOMALYS
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:35:00 -
[357]
Originally by: Gueniveree Why the hell aint it still working? I like compensations in my playtime because of the extended downtime. We pay for this game!
Im just loling at u all.
btw if u want updates, i have them
o7
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Alpha Dread
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:36:00 -
[358]
Pigcess, you really didn't get the point.point is not money point is TIME. Hope you can understand this concept (time)
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Evelyne Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:36:00 -
[359]
I don't want free days. If I wanted that, I'd cancel my account and had ALL days free.
I just want to be sure, CCP improves not only hardware, but sets a project management in place, that is worth its name.
And I'm sick of IT freaks explaining why things don't work, no other business has excuses established like that - they just ask for solutions.
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Macky1
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:36:00 -
[360]
on a lighter note :
A warning light just came on, on the dashboard of my car. It looks exactly like the insignia for Gears of War. How concerned should I be about this?
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Lady Aeri
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:37:00 -
[361]
Originally by: Raven Seldon Well thanks for messing up my skilltraining scheme!
Never thought from 9:00 till 15:00 would take 8 hours more!
You should have loaded your training queue up fully. Everyone should whenever they take the servers down for maintenance or whatever. It's a smart thing to do in case they go offline for a few days.
We all wish it was up and running s we can play. Just calm down and go do something else for the time being. They'll be up soon enough.
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Nata Asphyxia
Cookies of Doom
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:38:00 -
[362]
nolifers' tears ITT
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Tigrison
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:38:00 -
[363]
I have to agree with the time issue. People have been waiting up all day and all night around the world for this to come online and to keep changing the time from 15:00 to 21:00 and now to 23:00 is ridiculous. What's it going to be at 23:00? Delayed to 1am then delayed to 4am etc?
It's also particularly annoying for those players who may have structured and planned their day and their committments around the time that has been advertised. Unlike other games that are free to play, this game costs time and money to play and for some players this is a real investment, so a bit more consideration needs to apply.
Quite simply, if you unable to stick to a time, then don't bother announcing one, but rather announce how many hours it may take with updates, otherwise all you do is waste peoples time as they patiently look forward to the login time, only to have that dashed away by further delays.
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Ahd Dib
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:38:00 -
[364]
I'm anxious to play my favorite game, but calm down people!
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Buckaroo Kamakazee
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:38:00 -
[365]
Originally by: Macky1 on a lighter note :
A warning light just came on, on the dashboard of my car. It looks exactly like the insignia for Gears of War. How concerned should I be about this?
I wouldn't worry about. What could possibly gow rong.
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ctx2007
Minmatar Wychwood and Wells United Nations Intelligence Taskforces
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:39:00 -
[366]
hmm still down never mind but hurry guys please before my skill training runs out EVE is a game and a damn good one too |
NekoKitten
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:39:00 -
[367]
Its too bad that they are doing a migration on a day I have off -_- But then again, the time frame was a little too optimistic in my opinion, I was expecting it to lengthen. I'm sure the services will run smoothly sometime soon. I dont mind a little offline time for service improvement though. Just make it snappy ya hear ;) -------------------------------------------------- To Boldy Mine, Where Nobody Has Mined Before .. |
sniper29a
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:39:00 -
[368]
Edited by: sniper29a on 23/06/2010 21:39:24 not everyone needs to use more than one account to play game and prosper. more accounts = incompetence to do one thing properly on one account. I guess you have got many accounts to be able to play properly on one account like most do. still, most cannot buy what they need because they are too busy by multi-account chaos. at least you keep ccp guys running.
Originally by: Atomic boobinspecter Do me a favor and take ya whiney arse to HED system and get podded 50billion times....quit crying if ya had more then one account you would dual box also so STFU
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1Esquire
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:39:00 -
[369]
API is running. EVE mon is linked to API but tranquility is offline still
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Canti Ludan
The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:40:00 -
[370]
Originally by: Macky1 on a lighter note :
A warning light just came on, on the dashboard of my car. It looks exactly like the insignia for Gears of War. How concerned should I be about this?
Its when it looks like the half-life symbol that you should really worry
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Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:40:00 -
[371]
Originally by: Rasz Lin
they use Microsoft ....
That hasn't been a valid reason for a daily downtime since NT4.
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BJK
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:41:00 -
[372]
Originally by: Poo Ka'hontas Jebus mary and josef
Calm down people, we lost half a day of EVE.. whats the biggie? All we do when TQ is up is to complain then to About lag, nerfs, lo-sec or whatnot..
Today i ate dinner with my wife and father, played with our dog, watched some telly with said missus and generally enjoyed a fine day of delicious summer in the company of people who actually physically is in the same room as me
CCP is doing the best they can (not that it is impressing or anything) and EVE will be back up when it is good and ready.
Call your grandma, smoke some pot, have a drink or whatnot.. (preferably NOT the other way around ).
Beautiful :D
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Lord Moridin
Big Shadows Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:41:00 -
[373]
Originally by: twomtNW They've never been within the originally planned window
True ! Have CCP not heard of murphy's law ?
I have been playing for many years now, if ccp says from point A-B in time and keep it = with in expectations. But CCP says from A-B and you get A-B+C = below expectations + threadnought
if CCP has a sales department, sales people can tell you that below expectations in not good for sales, the company and the stockholders of ccp.
so ,,, dear ccp implementation of patch team, have you heard of murphy's law ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murphy%27s_law
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light200
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:42:00 -
[374]
guy's calm down sooner or later CCP will have everything up and running as we speek they are probaly sorting out the hamsters, putting them all back into their little wheels to get server up and running.
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Kerensky White
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:42:00 -
[375]
Originally by: Hunter Stevens
In the professional IT world, you don't exceed your time window. Professionals have a Implementation, validation, and back out procedures. If work can't be done in the Maintenance window as work is moving along, the backout procedure is executed, and back to the drawing board it goes to diagnose what went wrong.
Yet extended downtimes are not uncommon for any MMO.
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Xsag
Caldari Black Fury Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:42:00 -
[376]
Originally by: Lady Aeri
Originally by: Raven Seldon Well thanks for messing up my skilltraining scheme!
Never thought from 9:00 till 15:00 would take 8 hours more!
You should have loaded your training queue up fully. Everyone should whenever they take the servers down for maintenance or whatever. It's a smart thing to do in case they go offline for a few days.
We all wish it was up and running s we can play. Just calm down and go do something else for the time being. They'll be up soon enough.
Yea 22 day skill training ftw i had a cool logo once, but then i moved corps and i couldnt be bothered doing a new one. |
Whenua Momona
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:43:00 -
[377]
Could not connect to the specified address. Odds are that you have not established an internet connection, the server isn't running, or the server address or port number was wrong.
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blam11
Caldari Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:43:00 -
[378]
evemon say ... server offline ... online soon ?
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StarStryder
WISE OUTCASTS
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:44:00 -
[379]
Originally by: Deb Ian He is not clueless, you are, by attacking him instead of ccp. These are computers, and they are predictable if you have a clue about them, unlike my old neighbour who thinks that computer hates her. CCP got problems because they didnt have a clue into what they will run in when migrating, no expereince, no clue plus using microsoft software.
Yes, they are predictable at the most basic level. However, as systems grow in complexity the chance of an unexpected issue increases.
And you're right, they probably didn't know exactly what to expect. Because you know what, they don't have the ability to completely duplicate TQ in a test environment.
Which would you prefer, the odd extended DT or adding 50% to your subscription fee because at the end of the day that's what it comes down to.
Originally by: Deb Ian CCP pls it is already hard enough to justify paying for game in which you waste your remaining life hours trying to achive something, so pls keep servers up or you leave us with nothing to do, when we have nothing to do we start to think (at least some of us), and thinking usually makes you quit playing, cause we already started to play not to think about something else in a first to place, full circle
I really hope you were being ironic? If you were being serious then you sound like drug addict. Sort of pathetic really.
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Kindra69
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:44:00 -
[380]
yeah i put 3 days training on for something i don't think i really need but you should know CCP not doing this on purpose and by now you should know extended down time always longer that what they think. lol
sit back, watch some youtube or play some flash games
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Arithron
Gallente Gallente Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:44:00 -
[381]
Originally by: Tigrison
It's also particularly annoying for those players who may have structured and planned their day and their committments around the time that has been advertised. Unlike other games that are free to play, this game costs time and money to play and for some players this is a real investment, so a bit more consideration needs to apply.
Quite simply, if you unable to stick to a time, then don't bother announcing one, but rather announce how many hours it may take with updates, otherwise all you do is waste peoples time as they patiently look forward to the login time, only to have that dashed away by further delays.
Is this a wind-up? Quite frankly, I LOLed a lot...so it must be
Seriously, you plan your time and committments around Eve...it's an investment? What exactly are you doing in Eve??? Vote Arithron for CSM! Check out my thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=899358 |
Arimus Darkhart
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:45:00 -
[382]
Why do I get a feeling the timescales are not provided by the engineers carrying out the work but by some commerical/marketing/non-tech management drone?
Every time I've done a server uplift which involves taking any part of the service down I always give an overestimate of the time (well not so much as an overestimate but estimate of time + contingency for the usual last minute gotchas)... then when its done inside the timescale people are satisfied, if done to the timescale still no biggy, if it goes on longer I'll backout the change... I make the backout decision well before the point at which I'm comitted beyond recovery.
Think CCP should be more realistic and for a change of any significant nature schedule a 24 hour down time window, or 36/48 hours whatever they consider to be reasonable and caveat it with something like 'this is an estimated time, service may be restored before the 24 hour period but it is not guaranteed' etc.
I'd rather have a realistic estimate to start with than the usual ever increasing estimates we get.
-- Users are like a virus - each causing a thousand tiny crises until the host finally dies. |
Oddesa Acosta
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:45:00 -
[383]
puuuf how long will take this ?
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Jaabaa
Minmatar Dental Drilling Corporation
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:46:00 -
[384]
+7 years of EVE +8 hours downtime
=
No surprise (+25 days training skill set)
... Guess who's been here before ;) -- EVE Mobile Skill Planner V3 !! http://evemsp.sourceforge.net/ |
Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:47:00 -
[385]
Originally by: Hunter Stevens the backout procedure is executed
A data centre move is more of a 'fix on fail' change than a backout.
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Cannon Fodd3r
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:47:00 -
[386]
I think reading these posts is nearly s much fun as playing the game!! Come on CCP, lets have some more extended DTs.....
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G Mixolydian
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:47:00 -
[387]
Edited by: G Mixolydian on 23/06/2010 21:51:46 People like this are the only thing I hate about working in IT or any service provider.
If they break down the cost, even if the site/game were down for 24 hours, they've lost $.50. 50 cents of game time... Really?! You're going to complain about that? They have the right guys on the job. They explained thoroughly what they were doing.
Get up, go do something else. Read a book. Once you saw the extension from 1500 to 1800. Or even to 2100, you should have just told yourself "alright this is going to need some time, i'll do something else".
Even with the downtime you still have a >95% uptime in a year.
They can do the job right, or they can do the job hastily. If they rushed the servers up, you'd all complain that they released garbage. They're taking their time, getting the job done. Fire up your xbox, find 50 cents to replace the day lost in the damn couch, and stfu already.
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1Esquire
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:47:00 -
[388]
Yep ALL OF US every upgrade is underestimated... morons=set short skills
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carebear one
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:47:00 -
[389]
Hello,
hm I followed this thread a while and basically its "nice" to see how many people are allready brainwashed and indoctrinated by the content industry. Not able to act as a customer anymore ... only able to act like a beggar.
Well I dont think CCP provides this service because they are Altruists ... and I dont gave my money as a gift. CCP want to make a fortune and I want to play. So ... I understand that they have to do maintenance jobs and I dont complain about it BUT also I think as a customer I can expect some kind of compensation for an unreachable service for over 18 hours for wich I paid for. Its not my problem that they let the server outdate ... lets see it from the other side ... I never had heared that CCP said "well he paid for EVE over 5 years now ... now he forgot to put in a new GTC lets have his Account open because he is such a good customer for over 5 years now" ... I have to fullfill my duties to be able to play EVE and so I can expect CCP to do there duties and when they are unable to do it in time there has to be some compensation.
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De'Vadder
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:48:00 -
[390]
Originally by: Lord Neko I Snapped this picture of CCP Technical Team earlier
Also good work on the updating, to be honest it could be worse. They could be like Dice when Bad Company 2 was released and told us it would be down an hour which turned out to be a couple of days.
As for time estimation, i'm not to fussed about the wait but it would be nice to have a lil link in Eve to just small updates about whats going on.
Good lord, dont remember me of DICE. Battlefield heroes was soo badly supported with players buying stuff for real money and than not beeing able to play, contacting customer support, they said post in the forums, the forums guys said, nah, not our job, wait till someone from customer support sees your thread.... and then nothing happens for almost 3 months.
Or there was an easy bug (that stacked an effect that shouldnt have stacked) occuring in a non-content patch (meaning reroll would have been easy) that gave the one team an unbelieveable edge to were the servers were almost empty and not even the slightest official posts on the concern for 3 weeks.
Glad i dont have to bother with that anymore as i quitted when they broke their promise to never give paying players an advantage. And why is there still nothing that sets content apart from signature? Is that intentional or technically imposible? |
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Fel'qara
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:48:00 -
[391]
I've been going through my "Server Maintenance Movies" folder.... time goes fast =)
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BJK
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:49:00 -
[392]
Originally by: Erehwon Rorschach
Originally by: Napalm78 Time to Sew them, i am paying and not receiving product...
Hmmmmm i think he's trying to stitch CCP up by the sound of it
LOL I SEE WOT U DUN THERE 8D Haha, that was pretty good :P The fact they can't spell "Sue" doesn't help.
"I WANT TO SEW CCP BECOZ THEY LOST ME 6 HORS OF MI RL LYF I H8 DEM LOL IM GONNA FLAME WITH A UTUBE VIDIO AND PLAI COD"
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NekoKitten
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:50:00 -
[393]
Well I had set a training skill to level 5 (industry), so its a day shortened by now ;) All is well .. Soon I'll be flying my own mining barge. -------------------------------------------------- To Boldy Mine, Where Nobody Has Mined Before .. |
JediRobin
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:50:00 -
[394]
Originally by: StarStryder
Which would you prefer, the odd extended DT or adding 50% to your subscription fee because at the end of the day that's what it comes down to.
They wouldn't dare to raise the subscription price.
Eve is already dearer than a lot of other games, raising it would see a mass of pilots leaving.
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:50:00 -
[395]
Edited by: Bomberlocks on 23/06/2010 21:50:26
Originally by: CCP Fallout ..... Update: The blog has been updated with the downtime schedule, which is as follows:
0900: All EVE Services go offline. (Web, Forums, Test Servers, EVE Gate, TQ, basically everything hosted in London) 1200: EVE Online web, secure and Test Servers come back online. (all network services reestablished in London. Only TQ should still be down at this time) 1500: TQ back online
Truly epic. CCP honestly never fails to deliver in the overpromise, underestimate department. Origionally: 09:00 to 15:00 Then 09:oo to 18:00 Then 09:00 to 21:00 Then 09:00 to 23:00
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alex12312
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:50:00 -
[396]
I will petition for my training loss. I cannot wait, I have to go to bed, so another 8 hour loss in skill. :(
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Dovlar
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:51:00 -
[397]
Originally by: Isabella Thresher
you have no clue at all
uh, what a point you just made
yea sorry, just googled out that microsoft has best database products around
go and think about your life Isabella before server comes up, I hope that your bank is using microsoft sql
and btw, quote is not quote if you edit it troll
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Macky1
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:51:00 -
[398]
A general dialogue of CCP's move... [CCP:] Wow, look at all those Boxes. [Boxes:] Yeah um, we (the boxes) were kinda thinking, and we pretty much decided that we are going to kick your arses. [CCP:] .. [CCP:] HOLY CRAP! TALKING BOXES!! [Boxes:] Yeah um, we had a little get together with the TQ and he says that heÆs not really going to help either. [CCP:] HOLY Crap! THE BOXES! THEY ARE TALKING!! [Boxes:] We were thinking that since there are only 18 of you, and about 1.2 million of us, we kinda run the table. Oh, and donÆt go looking at those small boxes either. Those little buggers are full of books. [Small Box:] I have every copy of every encyclopedia ever written in here, big print too. I weigh more than a Abaddon being pulled in by the gravitational force of the planet Jupiter. [CCP:] HOLY Crap!! SOMEBODY COME IN HERE AND SEE THIS!! [Boxes:] We had our union rep here last night and we have a list of demands now. [CCP:] HOLY CRAP!! HOLY CRAP!! [Boxes:] Demand #1: Hence forth we are to be referred to as the "The Minions for the enbodyment of Mobile Enforcement" or "The Liberators Front for Force and Justice." We havn't decided which one sounds more sexy. [Some other Box:] The front for force and justice!? That's so ghhaaaaay. [Small Box:] Shut up ! [Some other Box:] No, you shut up! [CCP:] HOLY Crap!!!!!! HOLY CRAP!!!!!! [Some other Box:] That is the stupidest name I have ever heard. [Brown Box:] Look we said we were going to have all this worked out by last night, we totally look unprofessional. [Small Box:] Jeez! [CCP:] ANYONE SEEING THIS?...!! GET IN HERE! HOLY crap!! YOU HAVE TO SEE THIS!!
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Fettecuine Mondergo
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:51:00 -
[399]
"RAM 2.3TB HDD 4.8TB"
Haha not too often you see almost half as much RAM as the HDD storage space Shoot everything. If it blows up or dies, it was bad. |
Holywood
Terminal Impact
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:51:00 -
[400]
Originally by: Tigrison It's also particularly annoying for those players who may have structured and planned their day and their committments around the time that has been advertised. Unlike other games that are free to play, this game costs time and money to play and for some players this is a real investment, so a bit more consideration needs to apply.
LMAO, Really? Please follow the linky for help...... http://news.filefront.com/ama-may-soon-recognize-game-addiction-as-a-disorder/
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Drewster2
Caldari Syndicate Innovations
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:51:00 -
[401]
I find it funny the number of CCP apologists that are in this thread "oooh they have a hard job and it's unpredictable ..........." do me a favour they collect payment for providing a service end of story.
I look forward to them apologising to their customers in the near future for letting them down again.
It's a pretty sorry state of affairs when we're all logging out yesterday taking bets on how long it will really take to restore normal service, so far they have taken double the time they said they would take, pretty big f##k up imho, have they got anything to do with BP ?
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toomiann
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:52:00 -
[402]
Ok quick q i didn't see answered, are my skills still training during downtime right now or is this a special everything-dead-for-hours-even-offline-skill-in-queue type thing?
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Ascari1
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:52:00 -
[403]
This is a good opoturnity to shave my mighty Beard
and it was rather handy to actullay be forced to stay away For a few hours and do my Laundry
S So all you people who cry about the unexpected delay , do something with your life's and dont stare at the Server Status Unkown on the login screen.
Ascari Singing out o7
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Udaya
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:53:00 -
[404]
"Stuff" happens.... No server move is ever perfect. Would love to get a chance to tour the server room. The ultimate hardware geek fantasy.
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Arithron
Gallente Gallente Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:53:00 -
[405]
Originally by: carebear one Hello,
hm I followed this thread a while and basically its "nice" to see how many people are allready brainwashed and indoctrinated by the content industry. Not able to act as a customer anymore ... only able to act like a beggar.
Well I dont think CCP provides this service because they are Altruists ... and I dont gave my money as a gift. CCP want to make a fortune and I want to play. So ... I understand that they have to do maintenance jobs and I dont complain about it BUT also I think as a customer I can expect some kind of compensation for an unreachable service for over 18 hours for wich I paid for. Its not my problem that they let the server outdate ... lets see it from the other side ... I never had heared that CCP said "well he paid for EVE over 5 years now ... now he forgot to put in a new GTC lets have his Account open because he is such a good customer for over 5 years now" ... I have to fullfill my duties to be able to play EVE and so I can expect CCP to do there duties and when they are unable to do it in time there has to be some compensation.
How about using the extra few hours to get down and jiggy with the GF/wife? Oh, I see...too much time spending Eve, overlooked that facet of life??? Vote Arithron for CSM! Check out my thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=899358 |
light200
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:54:00 -
[406]
Originally by: alex12312 I will petition for my training loss. I cannot wait, I have to go to bed, so another 8 hour loss in skill. :(
well thats ur personal mess up you should know when CCP patch / move server's it's bound to be major extended DT
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1Esquire
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:54:00 -
[407]
If I estimated a job and then took >200% of the estimate there would be hell to pay
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carebear one
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:55:00 -
[408]
Originally by: Arithron
Originally by: carebear one Hello,
hm I followed this thread a while and basically its "nice" to see how many people are allready brainwashed and indoctrinated by the content industry. Not able to act as a customer anymore ... only able to act like a beggar.
Well I dont think CCP provides this service because they are Altruists ... and I dont gave my money as a gift. CCP want to make a fortune and I want to play. So ... I understand that they have to do maintenance jobs and I dont complain about it BUT also I think as a customer I can expect some kind of compensation for an unreachable service for over 18 hours for wich I paid for. Its not my problem that they let the server outdate ... lets see it from the other side ... I never had heared that CCP said "well he paid for EVE over 5 years now ... now he forgot to put in a new GTC lets have his Account open because he is such a good customer for over 5 years now" ... I have to fullfill my duties to be able to play EVE and so I can expect CCP to do there duties and when they are unable to do it in time there has to be some compensation.
How about using the extra few hours to get down and jiggy with the GF/wife? Oh, I see...too much time spending Eve, overlooked that facet of life???
Quod erat demonstrandum ... like I said ... beggars not customers anymore
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Jaroslav Unwanted
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:55:00 -
[409]
Originally by: Cannon Fodd3r I think reading these posts is nearly s much fun as playing the game!! Come on CCP, lets have some more extended DTs.....
/signed
As a former employee of one of the two biggest carrier owner/data solution companies, i say they doing great job. And reading the stuff of better calculation of the back-up time, just make me smile. There is more than thousand possiblities what could get wrong on more than three lvls. Moving that kind of hardware is work for more than 100 people. Try to figure the right time up... If i was them i would say..
It will come back-on-line. because thats the most accurate. Than there will be a threatspawn of why the heck you dont give us some time
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OpenForBusiness
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:58:00 -
[410]
0900: All EVE Services go offline. (Web, Forums, Test Servers, EVE Gate, TQ, basically everything hosted in London) 1200: EVE Online web, secure and Test Servers come back online. (all network services reestablished in London. Only TQ should still be down at this time) 1500: TQ back online
I take it that going by the schedule that CCP Fallout posted at the begging of the blog showing that test server will come back online and 3 hrs. later TQ would be back online means that TQ will not be back up by 23:00 since test server is not accepting connections?
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Kerensky White
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:58:00 -
[411]
Originally by: Drewster2 I find it funny the number of CCP apologists that are in this thread "oooh they have a hard job and it's unpredictable ..........." do me a favour they collect payment for providing a service end of story.
I look forward to them apologising to their customers in the near future for letting them down again.
The fact we pay does not ever guarantee 100% availability and no problems.
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w0rmy
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:00:00 -
[412]
Originally by: carebear one
Quod erat demonstrandum ... like I said ... beggars not customers anymore
In an Oliver Twist toned voice "Please sir, may I have some service"
Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
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Arithron
Gallente Gallente Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:00:00 -
[413]
I decided to work out the total cost of the DT to me, as others are whining about the cost to themselves and demanding compensation:
1 X 30 Day Pilots' license = 300 mil isk
1 DT @15hrs (I'll round up to a whole 24 hrs for ease)= 1/30th of 300mil
Downtime has cost me 10 mil isk...seriously you whinging b*****rds, you think this is a worth all the moaning? I make that in about 1 minute of Jita trading...
Keep smiling Vote Arithron for CSM! Check out my thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=899358 |
Seymore Cox
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:00:00 -
[414]
Look at the birght side, at least we're not playing WoW.
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margrat fatcha
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:01:00 -
[415]
was a nice warm day today, shame you missed out staring at a log-in screen... you lemon collectors
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Amun Khonsu
Royal Order of Security Specialists
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:01:00 -
[416]
Edited by: Amun Khonsu on 23/06/2010 22:01:26
Originally by: 1Esquire Yep ALL OF US every upgrade is underestimated... morons=set short skills
Anyone who has not set their SKILL QUE to prepare for over extended downtime is certainly a morAn. They had loads of time to prepare and choose the right skill that would carry them through any unforseen server issues. They either cant read, are too lazy to read, or just too complacent to do what it takes to maintain their account. They are probably the same folks that get podded because they are more concerned that their ship is in structure and havent figured out that they should spam the fricken warp button, then complain when they figure out that they lost skills because they forgot to update their bloody clone.
Originally by: sniper29a
more accounts = incompetence to do one thing properly on one account.
Another MorAnic statement. Probably from someone who is jealous that they cant afford more than one account.
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Rickbass4001
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:01:00 -
[417]
Heck guys, their Air Conditioning could be down for all we know. (I work on ac for lots of server rooms.) As long as I'm compensated for the down time, no biggie.
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JediRobin
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:01:00 -
[418]
LOL just think about all those pos's that have just run out of fuel.
I bet there is a quick scramble to refuel those when the server gets back online.
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carebear one
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:01:00 -
[419]
Originally by: Kerensky White
Originally by: Drewster2 I find it funny the number of CCP apologists that are in this thread "oooh they have a hard job and it's unpredictable ..........." do me a favour they collect payment for providing a service end of story.
I look forward to them apologising to their customers in the near future for letting them down again.
The fact we pay does not ever guarantee 100% availability and no problems.
well is it my problem that they dont know how to do there job? ... I work in the IT-Industrie for long time now and when I make a mistake and a facility stays offline longer than i told my customers I have a realy big problem on hand and have to compensate this
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Macky1
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:02:00 -
[420]
Originally by: Kerensky White
The fact we pay does not ever guarantee 100% availability and no problems.
So if your TV blows up, you won't do anything about it, as it's not 100% guaranteed?
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1Esquire
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:02:00 -
[421]
Originally by: Rickbass4001 Heck guys, their Air Conditioning could be down for all we know. (I work on ac for lots of server rooms.) As long as I'm compensated for the down time, no biggie.
dream on with that comp
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Tigrison
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:03:00 -
[422]
Originally by: Arithron
Quote:
Is this a wind-up? Quite frankly, I LOLed a lot...so it must be
Seriously, you plan your time and committments around Eve...it's an investment? What exactly are you doing in Eve???
Well maybe you have been living under an asteroid. The rest of the world is still reeling from a Global Financial Crisis and for a lot of people finding extra work and income to pay bills and allocate funds to "invest" and still be able to play a game like EVE is sometimes a difficult thing to do.
And if dollars do become constrained, what is likely to be the first thing that gets chopped out of peoples budgets? Games like this. It's called asking questions of "cost effectiveness."
That's why it would be better to inform players how long something may take in approximate hours, rather than announcing a specific time.
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Drifnir
Mnemonic Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:03:00 -
[423]
Originally by: Seymore Cox Look at the birght side, at least we're not playing WoW.
Good point, but i think i'll go give DDO a try...it's free after all.
I wonder if this 'sword' thingy can track actual rats
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Lord DevilHanzo
Gallente Digital assassins
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:03:00 -
[424]
Originally by: Eckstacy Heaven forbid y'all might actually have to leave the house, or even worse spend time with the girlfriend. Sheesh.
This.
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niko ono
Caldari Red Ochre Mining and Exploration
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:03:00 -
[425]
my problem is not that a delay happened. is the size of it. you say you need 6h to do something. cool. than you say you need 12. not so cool, cause you just doubled your initial estimation which means your planning skills are inexistent. when you need double the time (which you probably already doubled after you calculated the effort, just to be on the safe side) it means you were so far off you could let your grandma make a wide estimation on the matter and advert that...
this was more of a:
> .. hey guys.. you know we need to move those servers cause we cant code the lag out so we try to out-performt it.. roughly how long will it take?.. > hmm.. take the plugs out.. 20 minutes... move the **** to the new position... 1h if our backs wont hurt too badly... plug them back 40 minutes cause you need to see what goes where... then we need like 1h to play with the thing... 20 minutes to correct ****.. 2.2h.. let's make that 3 just to be sure... > so we tell the lamers 6 hours and they will stop saying we can't freaking plan. ofc we can't... we are agile.. we solve everything on the spot...
i dont want my money back for the time i could not play. all i want is the respect to actually get your estimations right ONE TIME so i can presume you did make an actual effort to plan it. . |
Malco Jones
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:04:00 -
[426]
Originally by: Hunter Stevens In the professional IT world, you don't exceed your time window. Professionals have a Implementation, validation, and back out procedures. If work can't be done in the Maintenance window as work is moving along, the backout procedure is executed, and back to the drawing board it goes to diagnose what went wrong. Then again, CCp can only be as professional with what income they make with us users. I don't know their financial situation, but I'd like to think as EVE grows, they would spend more income on folks with more experience with network/server migration and efficiency. It can be quite costly, but at the same time, downtime would be waaay less than this with a developed plan with the appropriate rescources onboard.
As a former Data Telecommunications Field Engineer and Project Manager, I can assert to the above. In the industry you always have a window that's TWICE the time you believe the cut-over will take. The reason for this is so if you have been unable to finish by the time you're halfway through your window, you have time to implement your roll-back plan. You ALWAYS have a roll-back plan in case you cannot finish the work in time. You will need the second half of your window to roll-back your changes to the old hardware BEFORE your window expires. Either way the system is up and the customer loses no money outside the established time frame. If your customer is a major world bank (like a couple of jobs I've had to manage) you NEVER tell your client you are costing them or losing them money beyond what they have previously agreed to, prior to the commencement of the downtime. If you do, you wind up covering the lost income for your client. Anybody want to take a guess at how much Citibank or HSBC makes in just one hour? So yeah...you always finish inside your window on the new hardware or the old. No excuses. |
ctx2007
Minmatar Wychwood and Wells United Nations Intelligence Taskforces
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:04:00 -
[427]
My wife just asked me if eve was down, so i explained about the new server room with all the nice new shiny switches and routers to make our game run quicker. I told her this is not an easy task task and CCP should really allowed more time for the change over. After all CCP are only human and our species does make mistakes. EVE is a game and a damn good one too |
KillMinusNine
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:04:00 -
[428]
I always hate giving my users timeframes of when network resources will be back online after planned maintenance, something always happens and it takes longer than expected. Wish my data center was as sexy as that too. CCP does a good job, I know it will be up soon. The withdrawal from my EVE addiction is kicking in however... |
Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:04:00 -
[429]
Originally by: Canti Ludan upgrading that much hardware is a witch with a huge B. Quit the griping or CCP might decide to charge for the next expansion...
...
Eve has somewhere between 60000 and 120000 active players (320000 accounts, average of 2 accounts per player, older players more accounts, newer only one). If CCP were to charge on top of the monthly subscription with a tiny player base like that, they would run the real risk of losing a good deal of their income.
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sniper29a
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:05:00 -
[430]
I am glad that at least you are smart ;-) I am not sure how about you, but I have better things to do in real life rather than wasting time by some primitive game which gets boring after you discover all. All of you guys seem to have no life. You are so horny to log in again and play. What a interesting life.
Originally by: sniper29a
more accounts = incompetence to do one thing properly on one account.
Another MorAnic statement. Probably from someone who is jealous that they cant afford more than one account.
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Arithron
Gallente Gallente Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:05:00 -
[431]
Originally by: carebear one
Originally by: Arithron
Originally by: carebear one Hello,
hm I followed this thread a while and basically its "nice" to see how many people are allready brainwashed and indoctrinated by the content industry. Not able to act as a customer anymore ... only able to act like a beggar.
Well I dont think CCP provides this service because they are Altruists ... and I dont gave my money as a gift. CCP want to make a fortune and I want to play. So ... I understand that they have to do maintenance jobs and I dont complain about it BUT also I think as a customer I can expect some kind of compensation for an unreachable service for over 18 hours for wich I paid for. Its not my problem that they let the server outdate ... lets see it from the other side ... I never had heared that CCP said "well he paid for EVE over 5 years now ... now he forgot to put in a new GTC lets have his Account open because he is such a good customer for over 5 years now" ... I have to fullfill my duties to be able to play EVE and so I can expect CCP to do there duties and when they are unable to do it in time there has to be some compensation.
How about using the extra few hours to get down and jiggy with the GF/wife? Oh, I see...too much time spending Eve, overlooked that facet of life???
Quod erat demonstrandum ... like I said ... beggars not customers anymore
I think you may have missed my point, which was: you seem to take a virtual spaceship game a little seriously and may have overlooked the finer pleasures of real life...but then again, maybe you have a smooth hand??? Vote Arithron for CSM! Check out my thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=899358 |
Xamiakas
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:06:00 -
[432]
guys.. imo, CCP should rename to FAIL CO. for crying out loud.. it`s 22:00 UTC and TQ is still down ? i`m not paying for number of logins per month.. i`m paying for a month`s time of playing.. today i haven`t been online at all and won`t, cause gotto go to sleep to wake up to work on time.. peeps.. you should really think about renaming ya company.. every single time u do maint or stuff.. and give the approximate time.. it appears to take at least DOUBLE the est given. maybe one month add like 1 cent to every1's fee and for the money gathered buy a freakin` clock? --------------------------------------- Good Gallente - Dead Gallente :D --------------------------------------- |
Asok TheTemp
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:06:00 -
[433]
When the server was down you had two ways to communicate. Facebook and Twitter.
You've had more than enough time to post ANY information about delays and a possible explanation on either of these 3rd party sites.
I've seen teenagers that post essays of crap on these sites every 5 minutes cause they need to inform the world that they were in the bathroom or that they are cooking or even describing their sex lives. Is it that difficult to have a set of people post a simple update now and then? I'm not asking that you post a 2 page blog about the delay but post a single sentence now and then. Example: "Ran into a problem with the server move. 4 blade clusters pending. New ETA 23:00." Would that be too difficult to type?
We the customer should be kept informed through public access (Twitter/Facebook/etc) about ANY changes to pre-arranged time frames/activities. Don't forget - We the customer PAY your salary. You may have sponsors for some stuff but your main income is from subscribers. Treat your customers as you would like to be treated yourself.
There is no reason for an update blackout.
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jentaki
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:07:00 -
[434]
Please take as much time as you need CCP...
Those of us that are serious about our internet spaceships want this hardware update, and we want it do be done right.
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Kerensky White
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:07:00 -
[435]
Originally by: carebear one
well is it my problem that they dont know how to do there job? ... I work in the IT-Industrie for long time now and when I make a mistake and a facility stays offline longer than i told my customers I have a realy big problem on hand and have to compensate this
Really, and what do you do. People seem to use IT as a nice catch-all when there's actually a lot of differences between things. For instance, the data center I worked for, any time we had a scheduled maint, we made sure it did not impact customer uptime at all before we even started. Is that relevant to what CCP is doing? Not in the slightest.
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Ronz
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:07:00 -
[436]
Still no Eve!!! Boring! Im off to bed, cant be bothered waiting any more.
Ah well, at least it means ill get some decent sleep tonight and I wont be a my usual zombified self arriving into work in the morning.
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Saxobreed
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:08:00 -
[437]
Just a quick one, from someone who both enjoys time on EvE and also has a family (3 kids, a wife and a dog ).
You guys do realize that the second CCP ran into problems with the server, they stopped giving a **** about what you say on their forums about them??
For those of you that are moaning on and on about paying for the game that "your not getting the expected service for" then i please ask you to go and re-read (or actually read for the first time) the terms and conditions/EULA and other legislative jargon that you have to accept before you commence the playing of the game. I actually have read it (watching videos of "funny dogs/cats" on youtube got tedious) and it says that if CCP or the EVE game software encounter probems, then they reserve the right to take the game down for extended periods of time. Only after a full month of down time can you claim back the amount paid.
So, baically, stop whineing on about your loss of a few hours (even though i was a bit peeved off as i didnt set training last night cos im a fail noob (joke)) and find something contsructive to do, like planning how your going to make millions of isk using pen and paper. Think about the next system your going to camp or try new ship fittings with the many Eve tools. Just quit wasting space on a forum which is ment to provide information for players about the downtime and not watching little girls/boys (most of you sound like girls) moan about the toy mummy is fixing because its broken.
Anyway, rant over. Eve mail me if you have a problem :) Be happy to jump down your throat :)
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CHIEFSkywalker VWarrior
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:08:00 -
[438]
Its now 2 hrs and 5 mins past the time it was supposed to be back online so when will it be online, im suffering here from withdrawls, hook me up. LOL but seriously
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carebear one
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:08:00 -
[439]
Originally by: Arithron
Originally by: carebear one
Originally by: Arithron
Originally by: carebear one Hello,
hm I followed this thread a while and basically its "nice" to see how many people are allready brainwashed and indoctrinated by the content industry. Not able to act as a customer anymore ... only able to act like a beggar.
Well I dont think CCP provides this service because they are Altruists ... and I dont gave my money as a gift. CCP want to make a fortune and I want to play. So ... I understand that they have to do maintenance jobs and I dont complain about it BUT also I think as a customer I can expect some kind of compensation for an unreachable service for over 18 hours for wich I paid for. Its not my problem that they let the server outdate ... lets see it from the other side ... I never had heared that CCP said "well he paid for EVE over 5 years now ... now he forgot to put in a new GTC lets have his Account open because he is such a good customer for over 5 years now" ... I have to fullfill my duties to be able to play EVE and so I can expect CCP to do there duties and when they are unable to do it in time there has to be some compensation.
How about using the extra few hours to get down and jiggy with the GF/wife? Oh, I see...too much time spending Eve, overlooked that facet of life???
Quod erat demonstrandum ... like I said ... beggars not customers anymore
I think you may have missed my point, which was: you seem to take a virtual spaceship game a little seriously and may have overlooked the finer pleasures of real life...but then again, maybe you have a smooth hand???
let me see ... you go to a restaurant and order a fine diner ... after a while you ge the bill without having gotten anything ... you also say "thats just amusment and i dont take this seriously i will pay and go without receiving any service" ???
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margrat fatcha
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:08:00 -
[440]
make it a week just incase, we dont want any **** ups
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Drifnir
Mnemonic Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:08:00 -
[441]
Originally by: jentaki Edited by: jentaki on 23/06/2010 22:07:10 Please take as much time as you need CCP...
Those of us that are serious about our internet spaceships want this hardware update, and we want it do be done right.
an update would be nice tho.
-This. So much this.
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Noir Avlaa
Amarr Sunset Jokers
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:09:00 -
[442]
Originally by: Macky1
Originally by: Kerensky White
The fact we pay does not ever guarantee 100% availability and no problems.
So if your TV blows up, you won't do anything about it, as it's not 100% guaranteed?
TV's are usually covered under warantee... Which is a kind of "guarantee" that "this device will work for x amount of time, and if it doesn't, we'll replace it for you"... The EVE terms and conditions state that service is not 100%, and don't offer a guarantee.
Next time think of a better example.
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Kindra69
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:09:00 -
[443]
i think CCP should put a flash game or 2 (surely a flash copy of elite 2 can be done) on there web site so we have something to do while we wait instead of moaning which dosen't really help.
to answer the question on keeping us up to date with info, i would rether have that 1 person helping trying to get TQ online instead of talking to us lol
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Macky1
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:11:00 -
[444]
Originally by: Noir Avlaa
Originally by: Macky1
Originally by: Kerensky White
The fact we pay does not ever guarantee 100% availability and no problems.
So if your TV blows up, you won't do anything about it, as it's not 100% guaranteed?
TV's are usually covered under warantee... Which is a kind of "guarantee" that "this device will work for x amount of time, and if it doesn't, we'll replace it for you"... The EVE terms and conditions state that service is not 100%, and don't offer a guarantee.
Next time think of a better example.
Will do!!
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HoWaa
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:11:00 -
[445]
1500: TQ back online 1800: TQ back online 2100: TQ back online 2300: TQ back online
please just tell us the actual time the server will be up ??? think about that more than thousand people is getting annoyed about this..
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Arithron
Gallente Gallente Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:11:00 -
[446]
Originally by: Tigrison
Originally by: Arithron
Quote:
Is this a wind-up? Quite frankly, I LOLed a lot...so it must be
Seriously, you plan your time and committments around Eve...it's an investment? What exactly are you doing in Eve???
Well maybe you have been living under an asteroid. The rest of the world is still reeling from a Global Financial Crisis and for a lot of people finding extra work and income to pay bills and allocate funds to "invest" and still be able to play a game like EVE is sometimes a difficult thing to do.
And if dollars do become constrained, what is likely to be the first thing that gets chopped out of peoples budgets? Games like this. It's called asking questions of "cost effectiveness."
That's why it would be better to inform players how long something may take in approximate hours, rather than announcing a specific time.
Get better at playing your 'investment then, and use ISK to pay for gametime...then you insulate yourself from the global crisis in finance (LOL!!!). Also, the only problem with your argument is that its cheaper to play Eve every night than go out and socialise...$0.50 doesn't buy much these days. Vote Arithron for CSM! Check out my thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=899358 |
Tigrison
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:11:00 -
[447]
Originally by: Asok TheTemp When the server was down you had two ways to communicate. Facebook and Twitter.
You've had more than enough time to post ANY information about delays and a possible explanation on either of these 3rd party sites.
I've seen teenagers that post essays of crap on these sites every 5 minutes cause they need to inform the world that they were in the bathroom or that they are cooking or even describing their sex lives. Is it that difficult to have a set of people post a simple update now and then? I'm not asking that you post a 2 page blog about the delay but post a single sentence now and then. Example: "Ran into a problem with the server move. 4 blade clusters pending. New ETA 23:00." Would that be too difficult to type?
We the customer should be kept informed through public access (Twitter/Facebook/etc) about ANY changes to pre-arranged time frames/activities. Don't forget - We the customer PAY your salary. You may have sponsors for some stuff but your main income is from subscribers. Treat your customers as you would like to be treated yourself.
There is no reason for an update blackout.
AGREED
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sniper29a
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:11:00 -
[448]
exactly my words. CCP are pros, at least they pretend to be. only difference is, this game is played by kids and they know well that kids cannot do anything. They will moan, but in the end they will play again no matter what. Few will quit game, but CCP still make money. end of story. next upgrade, same result, same outcry :o)
Originally by: Malco Jones
Originally by: Hunter Stevens In the professional IT world, you don't exceed your time window. Professionals have a Implementation, validation, and back out procedures. If work can't be done in the Maintenance window as work is moving along, the backout procedure is executed, and back to the drawing board it goes to diagnose what went wrong. Then again, CCp can only be as professional with what income they make with us users. I don't know their financial situation, but I'd like to think as EVE grows, they would spend more income on folks with more experience with network/server migration and efficiency. It can be quite costly, but at the same time, downtime would be waaay less than this with a developed plan with the appropriate rescources onboard.
As a former Data Telecommunications Field Engineer and Project Manager, I can assert to the above. In the industry you always have a window that's TWICE the time you believe the cut-over will take. The reason for this is so if you have been unable to finish by the time you're halfway through your window, you have time to implement your roll-back plan. You ALWAYS have a roll-back plan in case you cannot finish the work in time. You will need the second half of your window to roll-back your changes to the old hardware BEFORE your window expires. Either way the system is up and the customer loses no money outside the established time frame. If your customer is a major world bank (like a couple of jobs I've had to manage) you NEVER tell your client you are costing them or losing them money beyond what they have previously agreed to, prior to the commencement of the downtime. If you do, you wind up covering the lost income for your client. Anybody want to take a guess at how much Citibank or HSBC makes in just one hour? So yeah...you always finish inside your window on the new hardware or the old. No excuses.
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Alec Freeman
Minmatar Adventurers Matari Visionary Coalition
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:11:00 -
[449]
*stares at eve login screen* *stares at screen some more* *looks at time* *waits for 0900-2300 to change to 0900-2400* *eyes bleed*
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Elizabeech
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:12:00 -
[450]
LOL, stop whining ffs. **** happens. It obviously happened now at CCP. If really bothers you so much then f-off, stop playing for a while, live life a little cos you are taking this a tad too seriously. In all honesty, if it takes them another whole damn day and we get stable servers running faster (think of the epic sized fleet battles with less lag?) i`ll go YIPPEEEE!
And if you still in a ****y little whiny mood: HTFU Something went wrong, the game will take a tad longer to get back online, live with it.
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Blod Clot
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:19:00 -
[451]
Zomg, please will you guys go outside...! In the amount of time it took to make this thread I baked a cake, washed my car, gave a lecture on green economics, helped someone old cross the road, had sex with my girlfriend 4 times, defragged all of my Python Clusters twice and read the entire Sunday New York Times after I got back from swimming in ice water to scrub the barnacles off bottom of my Nordic ship.
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Jaroslav Unwanted
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:20:00 -
[452]
------------------------ Reading comments ------------------------- 1. we want one day added to our account 2. beggars not allowed 3. Its not CCP fault 4. Get a real life 5. I am paying for it i demand a working game 6. its just one day 7. misscalculate ammount of isk per that time / as it differs from the point how you will spent it 8. go to 1 ------------------------ Reading comments ------------------------- Now seriously - CCP got less then nothing to do with extended down time Companies which are actually connected to this move will be charged More you complain, more material will have CCP against the company they hired/or company who is providing their data services / which gave them the estimated time
And more people who complains is essentionally better, since CCP can see how important their role in shaping player life is.
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StarStryder
WISE OUTCASTS
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:20:00 -
[453]
Originally by: Drewster2 I find it funny the number of CCP apologists that are in this thread "oooh they have a hard job and it's unpredictable ..........." do me a favour they collect payment for providing a service end of story.
You're absolutely right. So if you don't like the service then cancel your subscription and **** off.
Originally by: Drewster2
I look forward to them apologising to their customers in the near future for letting them down again.
I'm sure they will.
Originally by: Drewster2
It's a pretty sorry state of affairs when we're all logging out yesterday taking bets on how long it will really take to restore normal service, so far they have taken double the time they said they would take, pretty big f##k up imho, have they got anything to do with BP ?
Brilliant. Comparing an ecological disaster of unprecedented severity to an IT installation for a computer game over running by a few hours. Classic.
Originally by: 1Esquire If I estimated a job and then took >200% of the estimate there would be hell to pay
I'm guessing you've never worked on government contracts! Pretty much par for the course there. Look at it this way, at least CCP aren't trying to make you pay more to cover the costs of the screw up.
Originally by: carebear one well is it my problem that they dont know how to do there job? ... I work in the IT-Industrie for long time now and when I make a mistake and a facility stays offline longer than i told my customers I have a realy big problem on hand and have to compensate this
Yes, because your customers have paid significant amounts of money to ensure that their mission critical service remains available to them. This a GAME and we really don't pay that much for it.
Originally by: Kindra69 i think CCP should put a flash game or 2 (surely a flash copy of elite 2 can be done) on there web site so we have something to do while we wait instead of moaning which dosen't really help.
Absolutely, although I'd think more like a 2D sprite version of EVE! Of course, it wouldn't have helped much in this case since the website was down too!
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jentaki
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:21:00 -
[454]
Originally by: HoWaa 1500: TQ back online 1800: TQ back online 2100: TQ back online 2300: TQ back online
please just tell us the actual time the server will be up ??? think about that more than thousand people is getting annoyed about this..
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I think CCP's Crystal ball is in the shop. If you're sitting at your computer waiting for eve to go back up then your doing it wrong.
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Natalie Vejumba
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:22:00 -
[455]
* Munching Popcorn *
I am enjoying this thread.
:)
I have no idea what moving servers involves, so I'm ignorant [ blissfully or otherwise ].
But the whiners are funny.
People complaining about the whiners are even more funny.
The real time eve will be online : SOON.
Exact times demand perfect psychic powers.
I don't think ccp has those powers.
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Kerensky White
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:22:00 -
[456]
Originally by: Macky1
Originally by: Kerensky White
The fact we pay does not ever guarantee 100% availability and no problems.
So if your TV blows up, you won't do anything about it, as it's not 100% guaranteed?
Is it still under warranty? If so, is the blow-up covered? If no to either of these, then not much I can do is there.
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Tyme Xandr
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:23:00 -
[457]
Yeah CCP should give us all 3 million isk to pay (in plex) for our one day of downtime (hasnt even been a day yet).
Right ... if you really are that sad that you lost out on that .50 cents why dont you ask for a .50 cent gift card for the EVE Store? |
Arithron
Gallente Gallente Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:23:00 -
[458]
Originally by: carebear one
Originally by: Arithron
Originally by: carebear one
Originally by: Arithron [ I think you may have missed my point, which was: you seem to take a virtual spaceship game a little seriously and may have overlooked the finer pleasures of real life...but then again, maybe you have a smooth hand???
let me see ... you go to a restaurant and order a fine diner ... after a while you ge the bill without having gotten anything ... you also say "thats just amusment and i dont take this seriously i will pay and go without receiving any service" ???
Actually, thats a bad example you did there...it'd be more like ordering your meal and getting a smaller bread roll on the side than you were expecting. A****les may complain, but most of us just don't give a damn. Vote Arithron for CSM! Check out my thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=899358 |
Teneos Stand
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:23:00 -
[459]
Just out of fairness, could everyone who's slating:
1) the engineers 2) the platform technologies (i.e. Microsoft) 3) the lack of a "back-out plan"
please qualify their judgement with a summary of why they think they're qualified to judge these things? Gawd I abhor people who slam Microsoft (or Sun or Apple or Linux or anything or ANYONE) without providing a valid reason.
"Blah blah blah it's down because it's Microsoft blah blah". Well, that means that for the rest of the year it's UP because it's Microsoft. Get over it. Different companies choose different platforms. They all have their pros and cons.
By the way, for those people who do justify their comments (which I wholeheartedly appreciate), I would also add "blah blah blah always have a window that's TWICE the time you believe the cut-over will take blah blah blah If your customer is a major world bank blah blah blah". Well it's not a bank. It's a game, and there are a lot of players who'd object to spending twice as much just to reduce these occasional downtimes.
I think we can safely believe the following:
1) CCP are undertaking a massive logistical task (this means there is no easy back-out plan) 2) CCP want the system up as much (or even more) than we do (this means they *really* are working on it) 3) It's only a game (so you lost some ISK or training skills... boo hoo. If this really upsets you... well - I won't rile you with pointless jibes, but it *shouldn't* upset you too much)
We have all (digitally) signed a contract and if we are due compensation due to downtime then we can legally claim it (FYI read it and weep - you need more than a few lousy hours of downtime to claim it back).
So let's not yell too loudly here. Let's just wait and hope it's all online soon.
And, as an ex-sysadmin, please let's have a few cheers for the hard-working sysadmins who are doing their damndest to get this system online at silly-o'clock at night.
See you in space.
PS ex developer, ex sysadmin, now head of engineering. I am qualified.
PPS Hurrah sysadmins!
PPPS Boo to the marketing guys who are at home, screwing their wives and not giving us updates.
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Terry Dalton
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:23:00 -
[460]
I'm really surprised at over half of what I've read in this post, sounds like a lot of peoples lives revolve around this game. Come on people, "IT"S JUST A GAME". Find something else to do, other than complain about how long it's taking CCP to get it back online. It will be back up, when they get it back up!
And for people complaining about being compensated, come on, your not logged-in and physically doing anything while you are sleeping, are you?
Keep up the good work, CCP!
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Kindra69
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:24:00 -
[461]
Originally by: Natalie Vejumba * Munching Popcorn *
I am enjoying this thread.
:)
I have no idea what moving servers involves, so I'm ignorant [ blissfully or otherwise ].
But the whiners are funny.
People complaining about the whiners are even more funny.
The real time eve will be online : SOON.
Exact times demand perfect psychic powers.
I don't think ccp has those powers.
i have to agree with this, lol
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schoralous
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:24:00 -
[462]
ROFL!!
Go figure, a CCP downtime goes long
When are you guys going to build a real system? The system that WE have been PAYING for?
CCP has been online long enough and makes enough money monthly to actually have an IT department that is professional and acts professionally. Nowhere I have ever worked, from the largest company to the smallest would I still have a job if I had even 1 DT go the way CCP's always go!
Who did you guys hire to run your IT department? The kid who couldn't get string cans to work?
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Morteus Ghouel
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:25:00 -
[463]
Originally by: Tyme Xandr Yeah CCP should give us all 3 million isk to pay (in plex) for our one day of downtime (hasnt even been a day yet).
Right ... if you really are that sad that you lost out on that .50 cents why dont you ask for a .50 cent gift card for the EVE Store?
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Xaniff
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:25:00 -
[464]
Seriously? All these complaints about the extended downtime and demands for free game time are absurd. Everyone was given plenty of heads-up that there would be downtime and everyone who's been around for any sort of patch knows you should just set yourself a nice, long skill and check back the next day.
Surprise! Things don't always go as planned. Especially the patch timelines around here.
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:28:00 -
[465]
Originally by: schoralous CCP has been online long enough and makes enough money monthly to actually have an IT department that is professional and acts professionally. Nowhere I have ever worked, from the largest company to the smallest would I still have a job if I had even 1 DT go the way CCP's always go!
Have you ever migrated servers before? Regardless of their estimates, I was expecting 24-48 hours.
This signature is useless, but it is red.
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L0rdF1end
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:28:00 -
[466]
lmao a lot. I really dont get all this *****ing. It's a game guys, just a game. Yes, probably the greatest game ever invented but jeeeez, It will be up when it's up. Take a chill pill and go do something else.
They did a big job today and whenever doing anything like that multiple things can take longer than you expected.
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Tigrison
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:28:00 -
[467]
Originally by: Arithron
Quote:
Get better at playing your 'investment then, and use ISK to pay for gametime...then you insulate yourself from the global crisis in finance (LOL!!!). Also, the only problem with your argument is that its cheaper to play Eve every night than go out and socialise...$0.50 doesn't buy much these days.
Thanks for stating the bleeding obvious you ****. lol And as usual you missed the whole point. The point was and as stated by other players as well, is that we as paying subscribers deserve a bit better treatment; its called customer service. They could easily notify us through facebook, twitter of what's happening or instead of announcing a specific time, just announce an approximate number of hours (say 8 hours) and if it's up and running before that time, then that's a bonus.
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Hunter Stevens
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:29:00 -
[468]
Yeah. As I've looked at the time delays from this paticular project today, and it's delay, it looks pretty bad, and not well planned. There's no way in the wolrd we'd give our customers this kind of service where I work at. I'm in IT, and we do migrations, but with minnimal impact to the client. I think they may have bit off more than they could chew, and even if that was the case, having no backout plan is causing an all day game server failure.
Originally by: Malco Jones
Originally by: Hunter Stevens In the professional IT world, you don't exceed your time window. Professionals have a Implementation, validation, and back out procedures. If work can't be done in the Maintenance window as work is moving along, the backout procedure is executed, and back to the drawing board it goes to diagnose what went wrong. Then again, CCp can only be as professional with what income they make with us users. I don't know their financial situation, but I'd like to think as EVE grows, they would spend more income on folks with more experience with network/server migration and efficiency. It can be quite costly, but at the same time, downtime would be waaay less than this with a developed plan with the appropriate rescources onboard.
As a former Data Telecommunications Field Engineer and Project Manager, I can assert to the above. In the industry you always have a window that's TWICE the time you believe the cut-over will take. The reason for this is so if you have been unable to finish by the time you're halfway through your window, you have time to implement your roll-back plan. You ALWAYS have a roll-back plan in case you cannot finish the work in time. You will need the second half of your window to roll-back your changes to the old hardware BEFORE your window expires. Either way the system is up and the customer loses no money outside the established time frame. If your customer is a major world bank (like a couple of jobs I've had to manage) you NEVER tell your client you are costing them or losing them money beyond what they have previously agreed to, prior to the commencement of the downtime. If you do, you wind up covering the lost income for your client. Anybody want to take a guess at how much Citibank or HSBC makes in just one hour? So yeah...you always finish inside your window on the new hardware or the old. No excuses.
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Arithron
Gallente Gallente Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Morteus Ghouel
Originally by: Tyme Xandr Yeah CCP should give us all 3 million isk to pay (in plex) for our one day of downtime (hasnt even been a day yet).
Right ... if you really are that sad that you lost out on that .50 cents why dont you ask for a .50 cent gift card for the EVE Store?
LOL, yeah, you can put it towards your next GTC.
As per my previous post on this subject: 1 day of DT costs 10 mil isk. If this amount seems a lot to you, you should consider taking something else as seriously as you do Eve, cause you ain't good at making ISK in Eve. Vote Arithron for CSM! Check out my thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=899358 |
Terry Dalton
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:30:00 -
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I do find it funny when people complain about something being made better, or atleast an attempt at making it better. LOL
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Tyme Xandr
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Morteus Ghouel
Originally by: Tyme Xandr Yeah CCP should give us all 3 million isk to pay (in plex) for our one day of downtime (hasnt even been a day yet).
Right ... if you really are that sad that you lost out on that .50 cents why dont you ask for a .50 cent gift card for the EVE Store?
LOL, yeah, you can put it towards your next GTC.
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Mingineer
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:30:00 -
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Little bit of social media / two-way conversation / transparency would go a long way here, CCP.
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Tore Nilsen
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:31:00 -
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I can assure u whining doesnt help. Either its a bummer that the DT keeps being prolonged.But no help in whining or complaining. Sure it helps ur annoyness. But im gonna say it the time is gonna be prolonged again. CCP dont extend it just say it will be finished tomorrow. Extending it wont help ur just giving hope to the players and when the time is up they keep complaining. I would say if ur planning to do something major add 10 hours to it. Server not up by 23:00 thats my assureness to u. Hardware changes of this magnitude is gonna take longer then they say cause when its of this size theres allways gonna come a problem along thats adds more time. So just hang on to your pants and watch tv or something. The computer isent the world even tho u like to play. See yaa laterz peeps. Watch a movie it helps
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Desent Nightwalk
Caldari Chaos Rendering
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:32:00 -
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**** happens. My skill queue wont end till tomorrow some time in the morning. I'm hopeful that EVE Will be up soon, but i hold out no expectations of the same. I've been around since rev 2, I was here for the epic havoc wrought by the trinity premium graphic upgrade that over-wrote c:\boot.ini; among many other overages, and oppsies. Honestly i don't right care how long it takes to get everything right, so long as it'd right in the end. I look forward to less lag during pew pew.
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Naim Haataken
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:32:00 -
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If you know anything about IT and server architecture you will be gifted at worst to get a cluster up and bug-less after a move in less than 24 hours. This is a serious move and benefits us greatly. I bet some of the engineers are stressed beyond belief.
Please all, cut CCP some slack here. Its .50 cents a day, and thats all you've lost. This could be a good time to fix your virginity issues...
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Orion Giza
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:32:00 -
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Edited by: Orion Giza on 23/06/2010 22:34:43 Edited by: Orion Giza on 23/06/2010 22:33:36
Originally by: Terry Dalton I'm really surprised at over half of what I've read in this post, sounds like a lot of peoples lives revolve around this game. Come on people, "IT"S JUST A GAME". Find something else to do, other than complain about how long it's taking CCP to get it back online. It will be back up, when they get it back up!
And for people complaining about being compensated, come on, your not logged-in and physically doing anything while you are sleeping, are you?
Keep up the good work, CCP!
While I think some people are making way too much of a fuss about this, I do think a little something for everyone just to say sorry wouldn't go a miss. In all fairness, it's not like it was 30 minutes overdue...it has been 9 hours now I think.
I believe in the past, I've seen current skills being completed after something went wrong with the servers which was nice.
Still, while obviously CCP aren't in anyway forced to compensate, it would be nice of them to considering people, or entire corps might have had things planned for tonight.
Oh and Starstryder...get off your high horse, you're just looking more childish than the people you're ranting at.
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Aaryanna
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:32:00 -
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Geordi: Look, Mr. Scott, I'd love to explain everything to you. But the captain wants this spectrographic analysis done by 1300 hours. Scotty: You mind a little advice? Starfleet captains are like children. They want everything right now and they want it their way. But the secret is to give them only what they need, not what they want. Geordi: Yeah. Well, I told the captain I'd have this analysis done in an hour. Scotty: How long would it really take? Geordi: An hour! Scotty: Oh. You didn't tell him how long it would REALLY take, did you? Geordi: Of course I did. Scotty: Oh, laddie. You've got a lot to learn if you want people to think of you as a miracle worker
Dunno the extent to which Star Trek is taboo around here, but it seemed appropriate ^^
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Xamiakas
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: HoWaa 1500: TQ back online 1800: TQ back online 2100: TQ back online 2300: TQ back online
please just tell us the actual time the server will be up ??? think about that more than thousand people is getting annoyed about this..
surprised? it`s CCP .. tbh i`d be surprised if these tards would NOT fail for once :D --------------------------------------- Good Gallente - Dead Gallente :D --------------------------------------- |
Stuwy
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:33:00 -
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All this aggressive talk and having a go at CCP ect, is boring me. It will take as long as it takes, they will do what they need to do. It will be better in the long run.
I can't wait to get eve back, until then, there doing all they can, chill :)
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Evelyne Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: L0rdF1end ...
They did a big job today ...
Really? What exactly are you thinking of?
Originally by: L0rdF1end ...
...things can take longer than you expected.
Than WHO expected?
Anyway, it's disappointing to know, nobody of CCP ever will read this thread.
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Schmii
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:33:00 -
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Ok, first time posting to a blog on eve.
I have been playing eve for just over 60 days now. And I've really enjoyed the game. I've tried WoW and some free MMOs and none of them are as good as EVE. But I'm not here to say how good EVE is. So here goes nothing (Oh please don't let me get flamed)
I work for an ISP. Or more like an ISP for ISP's. We have done server moves. MANY MANY server moves. The thing is, there is always a problem. No matter how well you plan it, something always goes pear shaped. Then we have angry clients calling our helpdesk and they refuse to accept that things go wrong. Do any of you know how frustrating it is to listen to a client complain about things out of your control? So why complain here? CCP doesn't state anywhere that they guarantee a perfect service. In fact I'm pretty sure they have a "Best of ability" clause somewhere. I don't want to sound nasty to those who are upset, I am just as upset. I had an open night with nothing to do and it sucked not getting in some EVE time. But guess what? I didn't stop my life because TQ is down.
Also, as a character of only 60 odd days old, I have learnt to set skills of extended lengths for DT's. I'm new and I picked up on this. So seriously, if your skill training was set to match the estimated DT, then you don't pay much attention to things happening outside of the game. Might want to look into that. I'm excited about the new servers. More pew pew and less seeing my pod (Real men pod tank by the way)
So keep your heads on straight guys and girls. TQ will be up sometime (Right CCP? You haven't turned tail and ducked on us have you??????? ).
CCP, bad luck that the servers are not playing along. But maybe for future moves/patches etc, set a longer estimated time. It will mean less flaming Take it from a person who works in the Internet Service Industry. Rather be completely transparent with clients. It keeps 'em happier.
Ok so now the wait begins. At least the API's are connecting again :)
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Teneos Stand
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Mingineer Little bit of social media / two-way conversation / transparency would go a long way here, CCP.
*most* of the restless natives just want to be heard and to hear back.
This.
PS aren't people enjoying this real-world banter on the forum a whole lot more than making an artificial spaceship mine artificial rocks in artificial space? I think I may take up trolling as my next career path in EVE.
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Arithron
Gallente Gallente Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:34:00 -
[483]
Originally by: Tigrison
Originally by: Arithron
Quote:
Get better at playing your 'investment then, and use ISK to pay for gametime...then you insulate yourself from the global crisis in finance (LOL!!!). Also, the only problem with your argument is that its cheaper to play Eve every night than go out and socialise...$0.50 doesn't buy much these days.
Thanks for stating the bleeding obvious you ****. lol And as usual you missed the whole point. The point was and as stated by other players as well, is that we as paying subscribers deserve a bit better treatment; its called customer service. They could easily notify us through facebook, twitter of what's happening or instead of announcing a specific time, just announce an approximate number of hours (say 8 hours) and if it's up and running before that time, then that's a bonus.
They just say 8 hours for a joke, cause they like reading the thread that springs up when the Servers stay down...it keeps them amused in the darkness of data migration. If they said it would be down for a day, imagine the whinging that would take place by players that have no knowledge of Data migration...or appreciation of the effect of that data migration on their game experience afterwards and in the future Vote Arithron for CSM! Check out my thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=899358 |
Jaroslav Unwanted
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:35:00 -
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As been written somewhere there earlier
They moving stuff, what the back-up you want from them. To buy another hardware do a perfect copy.. and simuntaneously runs both of them .. than switch the first one... i would say thats a little overprized solution.
As those who complainst about CCP IT department... Just makes me laugh As those who says that its 3mil or 10mil ... you are clearly dellusional and cant think in consequences... As those who complain about those who complain ... its fun as in most forums/comments As for future comment block sponsored by CCP i would prefer simple chat screen, since people just reacting on each other threat
As for those who had some experience or/and knowledge of wide are networks... be still ... be cool .. we know, and its pointless to try to explain how it works. ..From personal experience i cant say anything since i sign the damn paper..
-----------------Keep reading ---------- Keep laughing ------------------
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Kerensky White
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Hunter Stevens Yeah. As I've looked at the time delays from this paticular project today, and it's delay, it looks pretty bad, and not well planned. There's no way in the wolrd we'd give our customers this kind of service where I work at. I'm in IT, and we do migrations, but with minnimal impact to the client. I think they may have bit off more than they could chew, and even if that was the case, having no backout plan is causing an all day game server failure.
How many of those migrations involve backups right to the point of when the server went down as not to lose any of our game info, then ensuring as this is supposed to be a game filled with timers, that all these timers are functioning correctly after the move, as in are taking into account the downtime. Not to mention they're having to distribute the information that was originally on two racks worth across several racks now and make sure each is on the correct server, etc. (this is oversimplifying as I do not know their exact structure)
What do YOUR migrations involve. Because like I mentioned earlier, not every situation in IT is the same. If you don't realize this, I question your capability.
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jentaki
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:35:00 -
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I have something for those steamed about the extended downtime and have nothing to do...
Linkage
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Duke Hamilton1
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:35:00 -
[487]
CCP thanks for your continued hard work and I look forward to many more years of blowing stuff up You have my vote of confidence.
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Leenin
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:36:00 -
[488]
I can only support the Carebear One's 'complainers side' at this point. Something unexpected can allways come up but as I read there's procedures for these migrations that allow for a timely 'delivery'.
Also this isn't the first screwup by CCP. Every single time there's an extended downtime involved, something goes wrong and they take near or over twice as long as planned. THIS IS NO BAD LUCK, IT'S A BAD HABIT ! I am a customer, my money should be good, so should CCP's service.
Honestly and without being mad: Someone in planning needs to be looking for a new job. At least a formal apology should be posted but a compensation would be better.
As an extra: When Battlefield Bad Company2 servers failed bigtime everyone was complaining and they fixed it in a whim. With reactions like 'oh but we don't care, we'll go sit in the sun' we are not giving the clear signal to CCP that we want to: We don't take this crap any longer!
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Allataria
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:36:00 -
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Atleast the new season of Futurama starts tomorrow night in case the server downtime is ext..ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!
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bullzeye101
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:37:00 -
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I dont look at it as i lost the 10 mil in game time. But the 100 mil in bounties...not to mention the phat lootz
Don't worry faction loot, ther's always tomorrow
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Wye Knott
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:37:00 -
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I'm not going to whine about the downtime, or whine about the whiners, but I just wish they'd keep us in the loop with a bit more info about what's going on.
I don't care how long it takes, I just would like someone to come on every hour and tell us how things are going. Even if that is just a "No update at this time" sort of statement.
Even better would be a more technical answer about exactly what is happening. I know a lot of people would be interested to know how this sort of operation unfolds.
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NekoKitten
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:37:00 -
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At least I got time to play Free Realms now -------------------------------------------------- To Boldy Mine, Where Nobody Has Mined Before .. |
Exenferis
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:37:00 -
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Ok for the whiners, guys if you think is easy to move a data-center next time ask CCP to contract you, I bet with anyone here they are doing the best they can!! CCP is loosing money which is not coming back, and you guys crying for a couple of hours.
For CCP, guys come on, I know you can do it! CUT HIS HEAD OFF!
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Loki Ire
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Cloven Keller I am use to IT projects coming in past due and over budget at my work... but you can always fire and hire another IT company to come in - then they will eventually end up past due and over budget as well.
For once I would like someone in the IT business to give an estimate - then a competent project manager to add 50% more time and 60% more budget before providing a quote.
Yeah, and when you actually add 50% more time and 60% more budget to the quote, you're underbid by a dozen others. So your real problem is management picking a false promise over realistic expectations.
Originally by: Napalm78 Time to Sew them, i am paying and not receiving product...
First you have to learn how to spell the word 'sue'. Then you can go right ahead and file your lawsuit. CCP will send a trained monkey over with a handwritten motion for dismissal and have it granted inside of about 30 seconds. That's assuming the judge doesn't hold you and/or any idiot lawyer you find to represent you in contempt for wasting the court's time.
Best of luck spending thousands of dollars in court costs and lawyers' fees trying to recover ~$0.30 USD.
Originally by: Raven Seldon Well thanks for messing up my skilltraining scheme!
Never thought from 9:00 till 15:00 would take 8 hours more!
You must be new here. CCP should do a better job by overestimating their downtimes, but that doesn't excuse your own lack of planning. Especially now with the skill training queue system in place, there's absolutely zero excuse to not have 1day+ of skill(s) training at all times for any unexpected downtime.
Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas
Originally by: Rasz Lin
they use Microsoft ....
That hasn't been a valid reason for a daily downtime since NT4.
I've had heavily used NT4 boxes run for years without touching them. It all depends on exactly what you're doing and how you're doing it.
Originally by: 1Esquire If I estimated a job and then took >200% of the estimate there would be hell to pay
You obviously don't work in IT or do any government contracting. Most projects have unrealistically low time and budget quotes because 9 times out of 10 it's the lowest bidder who ends up with the contract. So you do the quote based on the assumption of everything going 100% perfectly the entire time and when something goes wrong, you blame the delays and additional costs on unpredictable factors. If the people awarding contracts would stop going for that crap, the people putting bids together would stop doing it.
Originally by: HoWaa 1500: TQ back online 1800: TQ back online 2100: TQ back online 2300: TQ back online
please just tell us the actual time the server will be up ??? think about that more than thousand people is getting annoyed about this..
You must either think they're just kicking back taking naps or that they have a crystal ball with which they can see into the future. The original downtime estimate called for everything to be up and running at 1500 UTC. Do you think they -want- to be working on this all day and night? They're running into all kinds of unexpected problems along the way and they're dealing with them as fast as they can.
What you're demanding is that they tell you exactly how long it'll take to deal with problems they don't now know exist. You may as well demand that the guy selling you the lottery ticket tell you the winning number. It's simply absurd.
I don't work for CCP and I don't have any financial stake in the company. I'm just someone who does this kind of work for a living and I can't stand seeing a bunch of no-nothings whining about the $0.30 USD they're losing in playing time while a dozen or more guys end up working 18 or 20 hour shifts today trying to make your precious spaceship video game work.
Should CCP provide more padded estimates for downtime? Yes. Should they have better ways of communicating updates? Yes. But some of you are being ridiculously unreasonable and you're too ignorant to know it.
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Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:38:00 -
[495]
Originally by: Bagehi
Originally by: schoralous CCP has been online long enough and makes enough money monthly to actually have an IT department that is professional and acts professionally. Nowhere I have ever worked, from the largest company to the smallest would I still have a job if I had even 1 DT go the way CCP's always go!
Have you ever migrated servers before? Regardless of their estimates, I was expecting 24-48 hours.
I said the same thing about 4 hours ago. Moving a server environment like TQ to a new data centre is a two day job unless you're doing a cut over or you are fond of incredibly optimistic timelines and having your staff work unplanned overtime.
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Eboness Laken
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:38:00 -
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"PS ex developer, ex sysadmin, now head of engineering. I am qualified."
Can you say are you joking? None of those titles has anything to do with moving data centers. That being said, I do know quite a bit about moving large data centers with 100k + users. I wont quote my qualifications, but really, my guess here is they have outsourced the majority of their IT expertise and really only 1 or 2 people know what is really going on. Managers are screaming at those one or two guys in house, but are failing to fund them regarding the required resources to do this properly because really guys and gals, this is all about money, and us big wigs cost a lot to have on staff, but outsourced services will promise it all, and rarely deliver. In the long run, they dont care because doing a migration like this caosts them a lot less that doing it correctly, and in the long run, they save quite a bit of money by looking like fools to a few IT guys who are in the know. :)
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Xamiakas
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Elizabeech LOL, stop whining ffs. **** happens. It obviously happened now at CCP. If really bothers you so much then f-off, stop playing for a while, live life a little cos you are taking this a tad too seriously. In all honesty, if it takes them another whole damn day and we get stable servers running faster (think of the epic sized fleet battles with less lag?) i`ll go YIPPEEEE!
And if you still in a ****y little whiny mood: HTFU Something went wrong, the game will take a tad longer to get back online, live with it.
well, this is the only game/company where **** happens every time they actually do smth :DDDDD i wouldn`t mind that IF it`d be for free.. normally in real world fails like CCP should actually be freakin` taken to court, sanctioned .. and then fail as a company cause all the investors, shareholders would simply look away ... but tese noobs are stil here .. and still doing whatever they want.. uyou know why?:D simple .. cause nabcakes like you are letting them :D so yeah .. stop whining, just play along.. :D to any FAIL from ccp who would read (though doubt they CAN read) this.. REFUND! go check the dictionary - what`s that .. i`m paying for ONline time .. NOT OFFline.. and i don`t care who`s fault is that .. my agreement is with CCP, i`m paying to CCP - not some crapfaced 3rd party. got it? --------------------------------------- Good Gallente - Dead Gallente :D --------------------------------------- |
Zen Furu
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:39:00 -
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We all hate this kind of situation. Unfortunatley there is little we can do about it. We've all read the EULA , and CCP are still working within those guidelines (see section 12)... Just be patiant and wait for the servers to come back...
I doubt anyone will get any compensation; as someone posted earlier, it works out to about 50p per account (and thats if its not back up in 24 hours)... even if we all try and get those pennies back, we'll only be refered to the EULA anyway.
Nor will we get any [lost] skill time back... we never have, so i doubt that will change... It ****es us off, that is true. it always has done and you can bet it wont be the last time a DT goes longer than expected :). RMR anyone? didnt that go up and down constantly over a 3-4 day period?
Im sure all you other IT Pros out there have SLA's, EULA's, T's&C's and all manner of legal stuff in place for the gear that you are in charge of... Just in case you suffer issues that simply dont get fixed 'according to plan'...
Hopefully TQ will be up in 30mins... but if not *shrugs*... it'll only be a matter of time until it is...
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:40:00 -
[499]
Is the server up yet? . . . Is the server up yet? . . . Is the server up yet? . . . Is the server up yet?
Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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Air Duster
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:41:00 -
[500]
Oh dear.
...time to get some sleep then for a change..
EVE is a great game and I'm looking forward to playing it once its moved to its new home and ready to go regardless of this little hiccup tonight.. all the best and good luck to whoever is working right now to fix it :-)
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SunGod RA
Endless Destruction
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:41:00 -
[501]
omg omg omg CCP omg omg, omg the hamsters, the hamsters, tell me the hamsters are ok, tell me nobody squished the hamsters inadvertantly!!! omg noooo the hamsters!!!! |
Arithron
Gallente Gallente Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:41:00 -
[502]
Originally by: Leenin I can only support the Carebear One's 'complainers side' at this point. Something unexpected can allways come up but as I read there's procedures for these migrations that allow for a timely 'delivery'.
Also this isn't the first screwup by CCP. Every single time there's an extended downtime involved, something goes wrong and they take near or over twice as long as planned. THIS IS NO BAD LUCK, IT'S A BAD HABIT ! I am a customer, my money should be good, so should CCP's service.
Honestly and without being mad: Someone in planning needs to be looking for a new job. At least a formal apology should be posted but a compensation would be better.
As an extra: When Battlefield Bad Company2 servers failed bigtime everyone was complaining and they fixed it in a whim. With reactions like 'oh but we don't care, we'll go sit in the sun' we are not giving the clear signal to CCP that we want to: We don't take this crap any longer!
You are indeed a customer (who may or may not have fully read the EULA before signing up)...as a customer, you can exercise your right to take your custom elsewhere if losing $0.50 loss is a big deal. Personally, I get way more pleasure from playing Eve than $0.50 will buy me elsewhere Vote Arithron for CSM! Check out my thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=899358 |
Amun Khonsu
Royal Order of Security Specialists
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: sniper29a I am glad that at least you are smart ;-) I am not sure how about you, but I have better things to do in real life rather than wasting time by some primitive game which gets boring after you discover all. All of you guys seem to have no life. You are so horny to log in again and play. What a interesting life.
Originally by: sniper29a
more accounts = incompetence to do one thing properly on one account.
Another MorAnic statement. Probably from someone who is jealous that they cant afford more than one account.
Running multiple accounts takes up no more time than running one account. You dont have to run one AFTER another.
If you are mining ice, you can do something else like kill asshats... wouldnt you think? Or would you rahter be braindead?
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Proteus Maximus
Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:41:00 -
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Edited by: Proteus Maximus on 23/06/2010 22:43:06 Edited by: Proteus Maximus on 23/06/2010 22:42:00 Edited by: Proteus Maximus on 23/06/2010 22:41:38 I have had a really bad day "THIS" Has made it worth getting outa bed this morning. Seems my typing is keeping in concert with my miserable day...lol
Quote: Please all, cut CCP some slack here. Its .50 cents a day, and thats all you've lost. This could be a good time to fix your virginity issues...
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Mr Murdernickle
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:42:00 -
[505]
Fun idea to pass the time: read the comments on twilight rant videos on youtube, people take that movie way too seriously.
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Cyrina Manto
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:42:00 -
[506]
I love this trend of people feeling entitled to compensation. Wonder if they even know exactly what their subscription money pays for. Electricity, IT pros, game devs, CS reps, network access, hardware, office rent.
My only gripe is lack of updates on status or ETA. Lack of response might mean that all hands are on deck figuring it out though, and Id rather be ignored for a bit if it means that more people are working on the issue.
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Aaryanna
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:42:00 -
[507]
I recommend Transformice(it's a webgame) to anyone looking to pass time ^^
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Jaroslav Unwanted
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:42:00 -
[508]
----------Just scamming through another page------------ ...Yes you are absolutely correct, your **** doesnt sting.... I am just curious what exactly you expect, f.e. loggin to ecoRepair application of BT and the line code to check every 15 minutes how its going Or a direct phone number to an engineer who worked on it Common people
/////19 minutes to go ////// at least i hope ///////
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Crusandra G'Had
World Eaters Excavation
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:42:00 -
[509]
It's settled. I'm going to live-blog the next TQ downtime "how come it's not up yet" thread. This is awesome.
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Black W1d0w
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:43:00 -
[510]
Nice to see you ccp fail an any front , you cant even start server when it is sceduled
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Teneos Stand
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:43:00 -
[511]
Originally by: Leenin Honestly and without being mad: Someone in planning needs to be looking for a new job.
Someone in planning or someone in implementation? Surely the planners asked "How long will this take? We need to tell Leenin." and the implementers said "Urrr.... an hour. No. A day. OK an hour."
The point is that something has gone wrong - we don't know who to blame. Some ideas:
Maybe it's an explosion and there are loads of dead engineers smeared over an air-conditioned datacentre. Think of their poor wives.
Or maybe it's an alien invasion and there are loads of geeky green guys saying "Woah - Cisco - we love this stuff - let's nick it".
Or maybe someone caused a massive defrumping of the megawan and the servers all need their WAPS, SPAngS and TwiDDLEWanGErs tweaked back into operation.
But we don't know.
Hurrah for sysadmins.
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Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:44:00 -
[512]
Great good gods... The whiney little beyotches need to stfu... They sound like drug addicts that can't get their fix.
(As if it needs to be said!)
HTFU! Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist NO! |
joe hamil
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:44:00 -
[513]
you gotta love the people who would whine over a days subscription because a days sub of eve costs a measly 0.49 cents, (going on 14.95 / 30 days) even if you managed to get past the TOS and EULA agreements,
why get your panties in a twist over pennies?
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Viral Effect
Caldari BRAINDEAD Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:44:00 -
[514]
One of my petitions a little while back argued that IÆm paying for a game that I canÆt actually play due to lag or more simply quality of service. CCP are in no position to even consider charging more for their subscription fee let alone expansions.
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Naim Haataken
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:45:00 -
[515]
Originally by: Teneos Stand
Originally by: Leenin Honestly and without being mad: Someone in planning needs to be looking for a new job.
Someone in planning or someone in implementation? Surely the planners asked "How long will this take? We need to tell Leenin." and the implementers said "Urrr.... an hour. No. A day. OK an hour."
The point is that something has gone wrong - we don't know who to blame. Some ideas:
Maybe it's an explosion and there are loads of dead engineers smeared over an air-conditioned datacentre. Think of their poor wives.
Or maybe it's an alien invasion and there are loads of geeky green guys saying "Woah - Cisco - we love this stuff - let's nick it".
Or maybe someone caused a massive defrumping of the megawan and the servers all need their WAPS, SPAngS and TwiDDLEWanGErs tweaked back into operation.
But we don't know.
Hurrah for sysadmins.
Brilliant, thats funny stuff!
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Exenferis
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:45:00 -
[516]
Originally by: Wye Knott I'm not going to whine about the downtime, or whine about the whiners, but I just wish they'd keep us in the loop with a bit more info about what's going on.
I don't care how long it takes, I just would like someone to come on every hour and tell us how things are going. Even if that is just a "No update at this time" sort of statement.
Even better would be a more technical answer about exactly what is happening. I know a lot of people would be interested to know how this sort of operation unfolds.
I Agree with you in this point!!!
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Tigrison
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:45:00 -
[517]
Originally by: Wye Knott I'm not going to whine about the downtime, or whine about the whiners, but I just wish they'd keep us in the loop with a bit more info about what's going on.
I don't care how long it takes, I just would like someone to come on every hour and tell us how things are going. Even if that is just a "No update at this time" sort of statement.
Even better would be a more technical answer about exactly what is happening. I know a lot of people would be interested to know how this sort of operation unfolds.
Agreed. Then people might better appreciate whats going on and the difficulties associated with migration, but yes better communication and transparency is not a difficult or unreasonable request and it will keep paying customers happier, rather than having no knowledge at all.
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Raven Rayne
Too Stoned To Fly
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:46:00 -
[518]
ROTFLMFAO keep them coming this is better then WAR QQing in local. CCP next time just say its gonna take 24 hour then when its done in 6-8-10hour all u get if woots for be done early.To the QQers its called the sun (or moon if in night) it doesnt hurt much go say hi maybe u'll meet a REAL GIRL and not a G.I.R.L (Guy In Real Life).
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Jaroslav Unwanted
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:49:00 -
[519]
Originally by: Tigrison
Originally by: Wye Knott I'm not going to whine about the downtime, or whine about the whiners, but I just wish they'd keep us in the loop with a bit more info about what's going on.
I don't care how long it takes, I just would like someone to come on every hour and tell us how things are going. Even if that is just a "No update at this time" sort of statement.
Even better would be a more technical answer about exactly what is happening. I know a lot of people would be interested to know how this sort of operation unfolds.
Agreed. Then people might better appreciate whats going on and the difficulties associated with migration, but yes better communication and transparency is not a difficult or unreasonable request and it will keep paying customers happier, rather than having no knowledge at all.
ETMS is answer ... the logs/or at least brief explenatin will be provided by project manager to CCP ... However i dont know if they can forward the message
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Tsunisis
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:49:00 -
[520]
Originally by: Raven Rayne ROTFLMFAO keep them coming this is better then WAR QQing in local. CCP next time just say its gonna take 24 hour then when its done in 6-8-10hour all u get if woots for be done early.To the QQers its called the sun (or moon if in night) it doesnt hurt much go say hi maybe u'll meet a REAL GIRL and not a G.I.R.L (Guy In Real Life).
Lies! The day star burns us! |
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Teneos Stand
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:49:00 -
[521]
Originally by: Eboness Laken None of those titles has anything to do with moving data centers.
Come one Eboness - that was the only point you didn't like? Job titles are meaningless and I've done several datacentre migrations. You're obviously qualified. Did you not feel like you could agree with anything I said?
Originally by: Eboness Laken they dont care because doing a migration like this caosts them a lot less that doing it correctly, and in the long run, they save quite a bit of money
Fair point, but you could also say "costs US a lot less" instead.
They are clearly not doing this the expensive way... and I'm glad because I pay for what they do.
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Schmii
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:49:00 -
[522]
Oh and by the way: Hooray for Sys Admins. Just thought I'd pop that in here.
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Xamiakas
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:49:00 -
[523]
now there`s smth that`s right under ya noses from the beginning and yet u all fail to notice and realize it .. yes... that`s 50p per day per account.. and doesn`t really mean a **** to most of us here.. but that is the most of the moneys the same CCP works for .. and if suddenly they`d have to give some of it back .. guess would they love it?:D use ya heads for a change.. EVERY1 should go for refund - maybe these slackers will think twice before doing crap like this?:D now take those 50p .. multiply by those thousands and thousands of accounts.. and voila - real money! --------------------------------------- Good Gallente - Dead Gallente :D --------------------------------------- |
SunGod RA
Endless Destruction
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:50:00 -
[524]
WE STILL DON'T KNOW IF THE HAMSTERS ARE OK OMG CCP HOW DARE YOU PLAY WITH OUR EMOTIONS LIKE THIS |
Hunter Stevens
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:51:00 -
[525]
That's exactly 1 of my points.(Maybe have been in another post about having appropriate resources if possible with the company can afford to pay). Migrations happen Successfully every day in the business world with minnimal downtime to the customer.. when you have a company who can afford the appropriate teams accross all platforms that are involved, ie networking, Windows, Linux, Firewall, Web, load balancers, etc. and whatever other platforms are involved. My point in this thread really didn't even apply to IT, as it really was a business concept that IT uses because their bosses make them. Have a maint. window, have a way to validate changes, and have a time where you roll back your changes if you can't get done what was planned during the maint. window. I'm not trying to be mean, it's just a common way of business, at least in big business. And that's why I said I don't know CCP's financial situation, but it's clear that they either chose to not implament this strategy, or can't afford it as of yet. I look foreward to the day that they do. If they chose to do so.
Originally by: Kerensky White
Originally by: Hunter Stevens Yeah. As I've looked at the time delays from this paticular project today, and it's delay, it looks pretty bad, and not well planned. There's no way in the wolrd we'd give our customers this kind of service where I work at. I'm in IT, and we do migrations, but with minnimal impact to the client. I think they may have bit off more than they could chew, and even if that was the case, having no backout plan is causing an all day game server failure.
How many of those migrations involve backups right to the point of when the server went down as not to lose any of our game info, then ensuring as this is supposed to be a game filled with timers, that all these timers are functioning correctly after the move, as in are taking into account the downtime. Not to mention they're having to distribute the information that was originally on two racks worth across several racks now and make sure each is on the correct server, etc. (this is oversimplifying as I do not know their exact structure)
What do YOUR migrations involve. Because like I mentioned earlier, not every situation in IT is the same. If you don't realize this, I question your capability.
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OverdoseDelusion
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:51:00 -
[526]
Originally by: joe hamil you gotta love the people who would whine over a days subscription because a days sub of eve costs a measly 0.49 cents, (going on 14.95 / 30 days) even if you managed to get past the TOS and EULA agreements,
why get your panties in a twist over pennies?
I don't think many people are actually asking for the pennies back. Most are ****ed about:
1) No updates (It takes 5 minutes of some temp's time to quickly let customers know the sitatuation).
2) This is not the first this has happened. It happens every time there's an extended downtime. I think most people are ****ed that CCP haven't learnt their lesson yet and still gone ahead and given a 6 hour estimate.
Anyway, not particuarlly bothered about it, I just see where they're coming from.
Also, the people whining about the whinners are getting so much more angry than the people they're complaining about...classic XD.
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Parathus
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:51:00 -
[527]
Edited by: Parathus on 23/06/2010 22:51:42 Meanwhile - in Kandahar.............................
Dry youre eyes princess - we are all ****ing busy and some of us are doing PVP for real
Who gives a monkeys if the servers are down for a little bit longer than usual?
Roll on CCP keep up the good work - 6 years in still delivering the goods - thank you.
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Deb Ian
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:51:00 -
[528]
Originally by: schoralous ROFL!!
Go figure, a CCP downtime goes long
When are you guys going to build a real system? The system that WE have been PAYING for?
CCP has been online long enough and makes enough money monthly to actually have an IT department that is professional and acts professionally. Nowhere I have ever worked, from the largest company to the smallest would I still have a job if I had even 1 DT go the way CCP's always go!
Who did you guys hire to run your IT department? The kid who couldn't get string cans to work?
lol, but man, its not their fault
these are computers, they are complicated and unpredictable
but as the man said, according the eula servers can be down up to a month
but also as some European courts ruled, it doesn't matter that your car broke after warranty period of 1 year, manufacturer must repair it, because IT WAS EXPECTED THAT CAR WILL LAST MORE THAN ONE YEAR
I really dont understand those apologist who defend ccp when they screw up, are you married to ccp ?
They remind me of people who defend govermant when they screw up half of country, because it is difficult to run a country,and politicians are humans also, and bla bla.
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Inevitability
Caldari BULK Incorperated
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:52:00 -
[529]
Originally by: Arrador whatcouldpossiblygowrong?
Your spacebar could suddenly quit responding!
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Mikael Lunerian
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:52:00 -
[530]
You people, are ****ing ridiculous. Why do you insist on belittling everyone that makes a comment on the forum? To those that cry about the whiners, hypocrite? To those that make fun of those that have no life, ummm....hypocrite? I mean, yeah I get the frustration, I'm actually sitting here waiting for it to come on cause, hey, I got back from work and you know what i want to play a god damn game rather than do something else right now.
I understand the want for compensation, but it will work when it works.
To be honest I hope somebody posts when it DOES come up, else you will all stay here crying at each other when you COULD have been playing the game cause it was up.
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hajes
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:53:00 -
[531]
why would I do it? I specialise on one career and it makes me best. I don't need more accounts to do same job on one account. Many ppl cross-train their accounts and these chars are useless. I have been tempted to create morea accounts, but why? Where is fun to do all in account. It is very easy to create 8 accounts and mine. You will be rich, but what is point. YOu will have to mine like idiot to earn enough money to pay for 8 accounts by PLEX. Or you must have no real life and spend all money on eve.
If you want to proper PvP, go to pub and fight all. That is fun ;-)
If you want to know how big balls you have, do extreme sports.
Extreme sports/motorsport give more fun than EVE. You discover all in half year and what else? What you do next? Until, you have nothing to loose, it is boring. Try live your lives instead.
Originally by: Amun Khonsu
Originally by: sniper29a I am glad that at least you are smart ;-) I am not sure how about you, but I have better things to do in real life rather than wasting time by some primitive game which gets boring after you discover all. All of you guys seem to have no life. You are so horny to log in again and play. What a interesting life.
Originally by: sniper29a
more accounts = incompetence to do one thing properly on one account.
Another MorAnic statement. Probably from someone who is jealous that they cant afford more than one account.
Running multiple accounts takes up no more time than running one account. You dont have to run one AFTER another.
If you are mining ice, you can do something else like kill asshats... wouldnt you think? Or would you rahter be braindead?
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St1ck
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:53:00 -
[532]
Chill its Eve extended DT is the Norm, if all you got in your life is EvE, can i make a small suggestion "GET A LIFE" OK so its a day not playing EvE, everyone is in the same boat All the IT Pro's going on about Back Out Plans or whatever flash term they used you would rather go through another extended DT next week, and when that dont work the following week? Get it over and done with now And as for people asking for refund, im sure your never online 23/7 anyways, and if you only paying $15 with the exchange rate you pay less than i do so stop your whinging
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1Esquire
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:54:00 -
[533]
get ready for the next update delay in about 35 minutes where eve is backed up to 01:00 UTC
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Exenferis
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:54:00 -
[534]
Let me guess:
the TQ will be online at: 15? Noo!!! 18? Still no! 21 Maybe? Humm, noo! 23? Ok, but still no!!! I bet ú1 for next TQ online at 1am
Come on guys whats is going on there????? ANY ONE FROM CCP HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING!!!!!
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Jevvel
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:54:00 -
[535]
Blown time lines have become the expected norm in MMO's. All MMO's. Sad thing is, it is accepted, and the industry executives know it. They have no reason to change. We will keep complaining, but still keep paying. Why should they change?
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Papa Jon
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:54:00 -
[536]
You know what all this sounds like to me?
"Waaah!! I can't play my video game!! I'm throwing a tantrum and I have to point the finger and blame someone because I don't know what to do with myself without my video game!!"
Chill out, people. You make it seem like someone's life is at stake here. When they're done, they're done - then we can all go back to staring blankly at our computer screens for hours on end.
And for the record: Paying a monthly subscription (which we all do) doesn't automatically grant us the right to act like a bunch of R'tards when we don't get our way.
Patience, young grasshopper.
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PsychoBitch
Playboy Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:55:00 -
[537]
Is this a professional game company or carny folk running a ferris wheel?
So much for plan B
Psycho***** Chnnl: PLAYBOY
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ctx2007
Minmatar Wychwood and Wells United Nations Intelligence Taskforces
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:55:00 -
[538]
OMG the poor hamsters maybe there was an electric fault and all the furry things got fried on there wheels. Somebody phone the animal welfare group, CCP you are so cruel carebear moment EVE is a game and a damn good one too |
Arithron
Gallente Gallente Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:55:00 -
[539]
Originally by: Deb Ian
Originally by: schoralous ROFL!!
Go figure, a CCP downtime goes long
When are you guys going to build a real system? The system that WE have been PAYING for?
CCP has been online long enough and makes enough money monthly to actually have an IT department that is professional and acts professionally. Nowhere I have ever worked, from the largest company to the smallest would I still have a job if I had even 1 DT go the way CCP's always go!
Who did you guys hire to run your IT department? The kid who couldn't get string cans to work?
lol, but man, its not their fault
these are computers, they are complicated and unpredictable
but as the man said, according the eula servers can be down up to a month
but also as some European courts ruled, it doesn't matter that your car broke after warranty period of 1 year, manufacturer must repair it, because IT WAS EXPECTED THAT CAR WILL LAST MORE THAN ONE YEAR
I really dont understand those apologist who defend ccp when they screw up, are you married to ccp ?
They remind me of people who defend govermant when they screw up half of country, because it is difficult to run a country,and politicians are humans also, and bla bla.
Its actually cause we don't really give a sh**, since we have been playing for so long, have squillions of ISK and remember to set a skill training for days before a DT . Replying to whingers kills the time to Eve comes up to play again. Vote Arithron for CSM! Check out my thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=899358 |
Teneos Stand
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:55:00 -
[540]
Originally by: Mikael Lunerian To be honest I hope somebody posts when it DOES come up, else you will all stay here crying at each other when you COULD have been playing the game cause it was up.
That's a bl**dy good point.
On the flip-side I like the idea that a noob comes along and thinks this forum *is* what EVE is all about. It's got (flame) wars, it's got (information) mining. And it's got people with funny names. That's EVE, right?
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Hunter Stevens
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:56:00 -
[541]
It's quite possible that someone up high who doesn't even know how to run a server or config a router, approved this. Probably a dude with minnimal experience and a Bachelor in MIT. He's the one who should be let go if he exists. EVE is growing, and they need Upper management who has work experience, and can make it clear to the brains below to have and stick to a plan during a mainenance Window..
Originally by: Naim Haataken
Originally by: Teneos Stand
Originally by: Leenin Honestly and without being mad: Someone in planning needs to be looking for a new job.
Someone in planning or someone in implementation? Surely the planners asked "How long will this take? We need to tell Leenin." and the implementers said "Urrr.... an hour. No. A day. OK an hour."
The point is that something has gone wrong - we don't know who to blame. Some ideas:
Maybe it's an explosion and there are loads of dead engineers smeared over an air-conditioned datacentre. Think of their poor wives.
Or maybe it's an alien invasion and there are loads of geeky green guys saying "Woah - Cisco - we love this stuff - let's nick it".
Or maybe someone caused a massive defrumping of the megawan and the servers all need their WAPS, SPAngS and TwiDDLEWanGErs tweaked back into operation.
But we don't know.
Hurrah for sysadmins.
Brilliant, thats funny stuff!
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Xamiakas
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:56:00 -
[542]
Originally by: St1ck Chill its Eve extended DT is the Norm, if all you got in your life is EvE, can i make a small suggestion "GET A LIFE" OK so its a day not playing EvE, everyone is in the same boat All the IT Pro's going on about Back Out Plans or whatever flash term they used you would rather go through another extended DT next week, and when that dont work the following week? Get it over and done with now And as for people asking for refund, im sure your never online 23/7 anyways, and if you only paying $15 with the exchange rate you pay less than i do so stop your whinging
u sound like one of those poor peeps in the street that are being pushed and kicked and punched by every1 around .. IF I pay for smth .. i want to get .. not like whenever some1 feels like delivering.. but when promised.. now try ordering a pizza and get it like next day :D u`d still get it :d would u be happy about the time it took to be delivered? specially, if u`d be given the precise time it`s supposedly gonna be delivered? doubt that .. so stick ya tarded suggestions up ya wide echoing whole.. ty :D --------------------------------------- Good Gallente - Dead Gallente :D --------------------------------------- |
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:56:00 -
[543]
UTC = Eve Time + 10 ??? -
I'm a nice guy!! But plz hook me up with some pew pew... |
Darod Zyree
Gallente Zyree Holding
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:56:00 -
[544]
I bett the devs are just f5ing this thread like we all are :D -Darod- |
Schmii
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:57:00 -
[545]
Please stop saying things about the poor hamsters Our emotions won't hold out
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Jon Hellguard
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:57:00 -
[546]
Originally by: Canti Ludan upgrading that much hardware is a witch with a huge B. Quit the griping or CCP might decide to charge for the next expansion...
I don't know any other MMO out there that gives free expansions,lets you skill up while logged off, pay for the game with ingame currency, and lets the player base know whats going on.
I'm Jon Hellguard and I approve this message.
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Eva Paine
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:57:00 -
[547]
Originally by: Bagehi
Originally by: schoralous CCP has been online long enough and makes enough money monthly to actually have an IT department that is professional and acts professionally. Nowhere I have ever worked, from the largest company to the smallest would I still have a job if I had even 1 DT go the way CCP's always go!
Have you ever migrated servers before? Regardless of their estimates, I was expecting 24-48 hours.
Remind me to never hire you to migrate anything :)
On a serious note it does suck that they are down but stuff happens. I have wednesday and thursdays off work so really sucked for me since I planned on being in EVE a bit since I hadnt been on much for the last month.
As for the people complaining about the complainers. Yeah the flames are annoying but some of the justifications are a bit silly. No its not a bank or a "mission critical" system. yes however the same pool of people you hire for those networks are the people you look to hire for your game. The network doesnt know if you are running a nuclear power plant or a video game.
For the "sysadmins" touting how much it sucks to do a server move or migration. To be honest its not that bad. I was part of an acquisition team a decade ago when the ISP industry was really being shaken out in the US. For 3 years I did nothing but migration after migration, supervising the projects the last 2 years of that. Its just like the old addage in the construction world.... measure twice cut once. Preperation is the key. When "stuff happens" during a migration the network team likes to fall by the standard "stuff happens". Really what they mean is they did not spend enough prep time getting things organized. "Stuff" does not just happen, it happens when people fail to plan properly and all you "sysadmins" know this, you just dont like to admit that you made mistakes that took your project longer then it should have.
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Mesrin's dame
Extraordinaire
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:58:00 -
[548]
I'm not crying about anything but I've read a post by someone saying they are not earning anything and ppl should stop crying...
think again....50 cents per 40.000 average users per day on TQ.....you wanna do the math how much they are "not earning".... Timing is everything, always try to be fashionably late |
liquidsteal
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:58:00 -
[549]
OK everyone the president of CCP just phoned me personally to tell me exactly what time tq would be back online exatly when you hit the "connect " button and it connects
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Criswell Blue
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:58:00 -
[550]
Is 50 cents really worth getting aggravated over? And that would be if you lost the entire day. So what? CCP's record for updates has not been stellar, and there is AFAIK, no guarantee of uptime in the TOS.
Remember BOOT.INI?
If you didn't set a long training time, knowing there was an extended downtime coming, it's your fault. Go play World of Warcraft and stare at an orc's ass instead.
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Crude Boy
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:58:00 -
[551]
are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet?
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CCP Yokai
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:59:00 -
[552]
Originally by: Darod Zyree I bett the devs are just f5ing this thread like we all are :D
Almost there guys...
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Miss Merel
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:59:00 -
[553]
Edited by: Miss Merel on 23/06/2010 22:59:32
Originally by: Teneos Stand
Originally by: Leenin Honestly and without being mad: Someone in planning needs to be looking for a new job.
Someone in planning or someone in implementation? Surely the planners asked "How long will this take? We need to tell Leenin." and the implementers said "Urrr.... an hour. No. A day. OK an hour."
The point is that something has gone wrong - we don't know who to blame. Some ideas:
Maybe it's an explosion and there are loads of dead engineers smeared over an air-conditioned datacentre. Think of their poor wives.
Or maybe it's an alien invasion and there are loads of geeky green guys saying "Woah - Cisco - we love this stuff - let's nick it".
Or maybe someone caused a massive defrumping of the megawan and the servers all need their WAPS, SPAngS and TwiDDLEWanGErs tweaked back into operation.
But we don't know.
Hurrah for sysadmins.
If it happened just this once I'm sure people'd be more forgiving (as would I). Besides, an important point here is communication, which is often flawed whenever something happens.
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Vampirex
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:00:00 -
[554]
Its almost 2300. If it didnt came up untill now it will take some more hours to bring it up and test it.
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Mikael Lunerian
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:00:00 -
[555]
CCP HAS SPOKEN!
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Amun Khonsu
Royal Order of Security Specialists
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:00:00 -
[556]
Again, you are assuming that it takes double or triple the playtime to run 2 or 3 accounts like many ppl do. You can run the SIMULTANEOUSLY.
It takes no more playtime than it does for ONE account.
My chars specialize in focused areas and do them all well. When I get tired of a char, I can always sell it for hordes of iskies. I know ppl who make tons of isk just buying, skilling up and selling chars on multiple accounts.
Anyone who looks down on multiple account holders as somehow not having lives are just plain ignorant.. and jealous that they cant afford more than one account :p
Originally by: hajes why would I do it? I specialise on one career and it makes me best. I don't need more accounts to do same job on one account. Many ppl cross-train their accounts and these chars are useless. I have been tempted to create morea accounts, but why? Where is fun to do all in account. It is very easy to create 8 accounts and mine. You will be rich, but what is point. YOu will have to mine like idiot to earn enough money to pay for 8 accounts by PLEX. Or you must have no real life and spend all money on eve.
If you want to proper PvP, go to pub and fight all. That is fun ;-)
If you want to know how big balls you have, do extreme sports.
Extreme sports/motorsport give more fun than EVE. You discover all in half year and what else? What you do next? Until, you have nothing to loose, it is boring. Try live your lives instead.
Originally by: Amun Khonsu
Originally by: sniper29a I am glad that at least you are smart ;-) I am not sure how about you, but I have better things to do in real life rather than wasting time by some primitive game which gets boring after you discover all. All of you guys seem to have no life. You are so horny to log in again and play. What a interesting life.
Originally by: sniper29a
more accounts = incompetence to do one thing properly on one account.
Another MorAnic statement. Probably from someone who is jealous that they cant afford more than one account.
Running multiple accounts takes up no more time than running one account. You dont have to run one AFTER another.
If you are mining ice, you can do something else like kill asshats... wouldnt you think? Or would you rahter be braindead?
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1Esquire
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:00:00 -
[557]
Originally by: CCP Yokai
Originally by: Darod Zyree I bett the devs are just f5ing this thread like we all are :D
Almost there guys...
as in when? yet another deadline failed 15 18 21 23 ?????
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Noelage
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:00:00 -
[558]
Originally by: CCP Yokai
Originally by: Darod Zyree I bett the devs are just f5ing this thread like we all are :D
Almost there guys...
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OverdoseDelusion
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:01:00 -
[559]
Wow, never seen so many people kissing a companies ass before...
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wolftin21
Gallente Black Serpent Technologies R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:01:00 -
[560]
TQ should be back online in about 2 mins, but sense they cant get stuff done right i think it wont be back online until tomorrow.
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NekoKitten
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:01:00 -
[561]
Edited by: NekoKitten on 23/06/2010 23:02:42 You know when you are an Eve-addict when ..
* You start Eve every few minutes to check if the server is back online .. * You spam the forum and dev blog every few minutes with your own personal rants .. * You throw more hamsters at the CCP guys .. * ..
-------------------------------------------------- To Boldy Mine, Where Nobody Has Mined Before .. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:01:00 -
[562]
Get a more abstract
Get a life ? What does life means ? Are you living if you are brain dead but kept alive by machines ? Got life something to do with hobbies and real time interaction with things, which surrounds you... And what is actually real.
Is someone who enjoy playing EVE alive ? Or does he/she actually has to retake your vision of life ? Its all just semantics
Nevermind. 23:00 / Tranquility / Unknown
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Arithron
Gallente Gallente Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:01:00 -
[563]
Edited by: Arithron on 23/06/2010 23:03:39
Originally by: CCP Yokai
Originally by: Darod Zyree I bett the devs are just f5ing this thread like we all are :D
Almost there guys...
There, see...just a couple hours to go
Actually, I hope the tech team have a few beers afterwards, cause it looks like its been a long day...
EDIT: The guy below me in this thread really needs to **** off somewhere else and play something a little less cerebral... Vote Arithron for CSM! Check out my thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=899358 |
Xamiakas
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:02:00 -
[564]
Originally by: Jon Hellguard
Originally by: Canti Ludan upgrading that much hardware is a witch with a huge B. Quit the griping or CCP might decide to charge for the next expansion...
I don't know any other MMO out there that gives free expansions,lets you skill up while logged off, pay for the game with ingame currency, and lets the player base know whats going on.
I'm Jon Hellguard and I approve this message.
great idea :d charge for the next expansion! and soon enough there`ll be only ISK farming Macros left online :D this is most bugged game i`ve sen so far.. DT daily?:D crashes? queues to login? :DDDDDDDDD and 15 euros a month? yes, do charge for the next expansion .. that`ll f you up in like 2 months :D \o/ btw.. it`s been extended .. what? 4 times already ? last time it said 23pm UTC? well, it`s 23:00 right now.. er.. and server`s still down:DDDDDD good going, CCP - no surprises from you :D failed as usual :D --------------------------------------- Good Gallente - Dead Gallente :D --------------------------------------- |
Teneos Stand
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:02:00 -
[565]
Edited by: Teneos Stand on 23/06/2010 23:03:36
Originally by: Eva Paine On a serious note it does suck that they are down but stuff happens.
Originally by: Eva Paine "Stuff" does not just happen,...
:) (I'm just being funny - I know what you mean)
Originally by: Eva Paine it happens when people fail to plan properly and all you "sysadmins" know this, you just dont like to admit that you made mistakes that took your project longer then it should have.
However... "stuff" does just happen:
1) This lovely, spangly new Cisco 6500 just died. We'd planned for that. 2) A powercut? Lovely. We'd planned for that. 3) My senior sysadmin just had a heart attack. No - not a metaphorical one. A real one. We decided to take him to hospital rather than muck about with Cat6. We'd planned for that.
Seriously - we'll all feel horrible if someone has *actually* died, right?
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Aglivar
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:02:00 -
[566]
Now quit *****in and wait for CCP to give us some Info you bunch of Juvenile Wienies!
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ctx2007
Minmatar Wychwood and Wells United Nations Intelligence Taskforces
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:03:00 -
[567]
I bet CCP laughed when those poor little furry things burnt at their wheels, you have to live with that for the rest of your lives. Damn another carebear moment OMG RL is doing things to my brain EVE is a game and a damn good one too |
Jack McJuggernaut
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:03:00 -
[568]
Thought this would be good for a relevant laugh. Source: XKCD
"Hi, I'm a Gallente." "And I'm a Caldari." "Hey Caldari, did you know studies have found that citizens living under the Gallente Federation are generally happier than those living under the Caldar |
Parathus
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:03:00 -
[569]
in the real world that is not effected by a minor slip in the oil industries best practices - we patiently await reconnection....
Dry youre eyes princess - we're all ****in busy
Let CCP get on with it - they will deliver!
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Armed Force
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:04:00 -
[570]
May I suggest next time simply tell the users server is shuting down for maintenance for 1 day. It is much more consider than always changing the timie when server is comming back online. The dev blog is quite nice. Well done! I hope I can run the client soon.
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VanHalen5150
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:05:00 -
[571]
I'm no computer genius, but seems like if they'd started copying stuff over a few days ago and then all they had to do today was an incremental backup type transfer this could have been done in short order..... if my POS runs out of fuel, I'm going to petition the loss and get nothing... I just know it.
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Amun Khonsu
Royal Order of Security Specialists
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:05:00 -
[572]
Originally by: Aglivar Now quit *****in and wait for CCP to give us some Info you bunch of Juvenile Wienies!
What he said ^^
Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts. |
Zachary Dellinger
Gallente NOVA PRODUCTIONS RESEARCH DIVISION
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:05:00 -
[573]
Originally by: CCP Yokai
Originally by: Darod Zyree I bett the devs are just f5ing this thread like we all are :D
Almost there guys...
Thanks, CCP Yokai. Nice to hear from you guys and to know you're looking out for us. Keep our data safe, and let's celebrate the opening of the new server with a large bout of Pirate Hunting.
Sound like a plan, my friends? Thanks for bringing us an awesome game. *salutes*
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liltim
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:05:00 -
[574]
hey at least API is up again for those of us who know what that is, so the DB is up and running again.
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Ja'thaal Deathbringer
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:07:00 -
[575]
So I live life inside EVE? Who cares? Certainly not I. If I in fact had something to do in reality I'd probably do it, but do I? No, so quit your *****ing.
In the mean time I'm going to wait for TQ to come back 5 minutes ago...wait a sec...
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Xamiakas
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:07:00 -
[576]
Originally by: Teneos Stand
Originally by: Eva Paine On a serious note it does suck that they are down but stuff happens.
Originally by: Eva Paine "Stuff" does not just happen,...
:) (I'm just being funny - I know what you mean)
Originally by: Eva Paine it happens when people fail to plan properly and all you "sysadmins" know this, you just dont like to admit that you made mistakes that took your project longer then it should have.
However... "stuff" does just happen:
1) This lovely, spangly new Cisco 6500 just died. We'd planned for that. 2) A powercut? Lovely. We'd planned for that. 3) My senior sysadmin just had a heart attack. No - not a metaphorical one. A real one. We decided to take him to hospital rather than mack about with Cat6. We'd planned for that.
Seriously - we'll all feel horrible if someone has *actually* died, right?
people die everyday and unless it`d be my fault they die - i don`t give a flying reindeer. some bums fail to deliver and these are the excuses.. i gotto try doing same lame crap at work :d i wonder how my bosses will react when i`ll.. in other words.. YOU FAIL. kids and other low IQ creatures should go clean the streets and cook for bums. --------------------------------------- Good Gallente - Dead Gallente :D --------------------------------------- |
The Nailer
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:07:00 -
[577]
whoot its back up....
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Mikael Lunerian
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:09:00 -
[578]
Originally by: The Nailer whoot its back up....
you bastard....
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Teneos Stand
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:09:00 -
[579]
Originally by: Jon Hellguard I'm Jon Hellguard and I approve this message.
I'm Teneos Stand and I approve this message.
(Ironic, self-referential meta-replies appreciated)
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ryan58
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:09:00 -
[580]
hmmm back up since when i am getting unknown still
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ctx2007
Minmatar Wychwood and Wells United Nations Intelligence Taskforces
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:10:00 -
[581]
nah no joy
Whats green, slimy and smelly like miss piggy?
Kermits finger EVE is a game and a damn good one too |
Fel'qara
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:10:00 -
[582]
Originally by: The Nailer whoot its back up....
There was actually a whole 1 minute gap in replies to this topic as everyone scrambles to try to log in...
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General Eric
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:10:00 -
[583]
It is not back up I can not login.
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Exenferis
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:10:00 -
[584]
Server are up guys im sending this from the game browser!!!
There a little update to make with the new configs of the server i think!
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Macky1
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:10:00 -
[585]
Originally by: Mikael Lunerian
Originally by: The Nailer whoot its back up....
you bastard....
lol
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1Esquire
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:11:00 -
[586]
HE WAS BULL$HITTIN YOU ITS STILL OFF AND WILL BE UNTIL LATER THIS WEEK
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Ceillian
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:11:00 -
[587]
Zomg, keep opening Eve to see if its up yet.. I have surfed all the forums.. god, I never realized how much I enjoy Eve til today.. I usually just log in and mess around while I do other stuff, but ****, today has been so boring. I am ready for this to get back up, also, are skills still training while this is down?
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Miss Merel
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:12:00 -
[588]
Originally by: The Nailer whoot its back up....
I'm expecting a next post of extention soon since they have gone 11m over it allready
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Padalin
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:12:00 -
[589]
Originally by: Exenferis Server are up guys im sending this from the game browser!!!
There a little update to make with the new configs of the server i think!
Me thinks someone found sisi.....
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Doran Guile
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:12:00 -
[590]
Originally by: Teneos Stand By the way, for those people who do justify their comments (which I wholeheartedly appreciate), I would also add "blah blah blah always have a window that's TWICE the time you believe the cut-over will take blah blah blah If your customer is a major world bank blah blah blah". Well it's not a bank. It's a game, and there are a lot of players who'd object to spending twice as much just to reduce these occasional downtimes.
Lmao.
Since the quoted portion of your post is directed at me, I will respond to it since you seem to have missed the point. :)
1) I was only asserting to the truthfulness of the quoted poster. 2) Personally, I could care less how long this downtime lasts. Isk doesn't pay my bills so what do I care? 3) It's a game to us, NOT to CCP. To CCP this is a business. A business that generates real world income on a per second basis. 4) Your last sentence in the above quote makes absolutely no sense from a business perspective. It's when a company experiences either operational cost increases or large monetary losses that it usually attempts to increase their rates. I don't believe this would yet qualify as a 'large' loss, lol.
The only reason I knew they were still down was because I tried to very quickly check on my character with EVEMon and received server error messages. I came to this thread out of mere curiosity. To be honest I've been too busy enjoying the company of family, friends, and my birthday cake to much care one way or another about the extended downtime. I assume you'll be understanding if I return to the festivities being held in my honour and am unable to respond to any more replies. :)
Cheers.
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NekoKitten
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:13:00 -
[591]
Originally by: Ceillian are skills still training while this is down?
Ofcourse :P -------------------------------------------------- To Boldy Mine, Where Nobody Has Mined Before .. |
bluberdumpf
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:13:00 -
[592]
Originally by: Miss Merel
Originally by: The Nailer whoot its back up....
I'm expecting a next post of extention soon since they have gone 11m over it allready
im just spamming the refresh button on my browser waiting on a dev or sombody to post it myself >.<
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Arithron
Gallente Gallente Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:13:00 -
[593]
Originally by: VanHalen5150 I'm no computer genius, but seems like if they'd started copying stuff over a few days ago and then all they had to do today was an incremental backup type transfer this could have been done in short order..... if my POS runs out of fuel, I'm going to petition the loss and get nothing... I just know it.
ROFL...you said it in the first line Luckily my subscription pays for techies with a little more knowhow :)
Reply to the idiots that think the entire subscription for the day has been snuffled into the evil-facist coffers of CCP: I suspect they still have to pay for the hardware and employees that make this game possible for you to play on a much more regular and stable basis than other similar games( Wait, there are no similar games...) Vote Arithron for CSM! Check out my thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=899358 |
The Nailer
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:13:00 -
[594]
I am in and shooting your POS
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munkyhunter
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:14:00 -
[595]
You think you're ****ed off now? Just wait until it's back up and you find that you're 2560th in queue...
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Fu Sheng
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:14:00 -
[596]
god dam it is not working yet
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Mikael Lunerian
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:15:00 -
[597]
Originally by: munkyhunter You think you're ****ed off now? Just wait until it's back up and you find that you're 2560th in queue...
hahahahaha, excellent, that will most certainly happen to me.
good god...those poor serves...all 20k of us loggin at once.
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Small Astroide
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:16:00 -
[598]
t- 40 min to skill done and no next skill (this is gonna be close or very late *sigh*
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ctx2007
Minmatar Wychwood and Wells United Nations Intelligence Taskforces
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:16:00 -
[599]
Why dont blondes eat bananas?
they cant find the zipper
EVE is a game and a damn good one too |
VanHalen5150
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:16:00 -
[600]
Originally by: The Nailer I am in and shooting your POS
Hahhahha. Gee thanks :P
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GeeShizzle McCloud
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:17:00 -
[601]
Originally by: The Nailer I am in and shooting your POS
well im out and im shooting over ur wife! :P
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Jaroslav Unwanted
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:17:00 -
[602]
Originally by: ctx2007 Why dont blondes eat bananas?
they cant find the zipper
finally some meaningfull post there. Well it is relevant at the same level as the othe threats
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Cypreion
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:18:00 -
[603]
What's red with seven little dents in it?
Snow Whites cherry
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Miss Merel
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:18:00 -
[604]
Edited by: Miss Merel on 23/06/2010 23:19:20 The Tranquility cluster will be down for maintainance from Wednesday June 23rd 2010 at 0900h to Thursday June 24th 2011 at 2300h UCT
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CommanderEric
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:18:00 -
[605]
CCP says they were scheduled to turn it on about 15 minutes ago but they probably cracked a champange bottle to celebrate moving stuff and ignored us.
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Evelyne Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:18:00 -
[606]
Now would be a good time to take an extra 20 mins for CCP.. it's messed up anyway, again.
Why not making a rough brainstorm about 'Do we communicate in a good way to the players, when we aren't able to hold on an ESTt, like at every extended DT?'
CCP, you could make this day a milestone in your history :):):)
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DJ Skrull
Caldari We Are The Walrus
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:18:00 -
[607]
There are a bunch of whiners in this thread.
We ALL knew downtime was part of the game when we started. We all KNEW there was the possibility of extended downtime for a massive move like this. If your sitting there waiting for the servers to come up, checking every min...go find something better to do. Clean your house, do your laundry, run to the store, something.
If you hate Eve so much because of the downtime, you know the way out.
CCP....dont rush the job to appease these people, do it right and only start it when your satisfied with the transfer. EVEntually |
E L
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:18:00 -
[608]
Originally by: ctx2007 Why dont blondes eat bananas?
they cant find the zipper
Q: What do you call an eternity? A: Four Blondes in four cars at a four way stop.
Q: Why do Blondes have TGIF written on their shoes? A: Toes Go In First.
Q: What do SMART Blondes and UFOs have in common? A: You always hear about them but never see them.
Q: Why do Blondes always smile during lightning storms? A: They think their picture is being taken.
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AcidEric
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:19:00 -
[609]
Originally by: Doran Guile To be honest I've been too busy enjoying the company of family, friends, and my birthday cake to much care one way or another about the extended downtime. I assume you'll be understanding if I return to the festivities being held in my honour and am unable to respond to any more replies. :)
Cheers.
Happy Birthday
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David Hassan
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:19:00 -
[610]
SoonÖ
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yarm88
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:20:00 -
[611]
какой срaч
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Mc AnalLovin
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:20:00 -
[612]
2300 my ass
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Agir Qular
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:20:00 -
[613]
... I'm WAITING yes indeed I'm talking 'bout you and me I'm hoping that you'll come back to me ...
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Woodys
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:21:00 -
[614]
We're a spoiled lot... complaining cause someone took our toy away so they could make it better.
I'm just glad I have electricity and running water.
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Ceillian
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:21:00 -
[615]
So, its not up.. And I am not in queue. Is anyone really online or are people just trying to get a rise out of others?
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a55mu11e7
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:21:00 -
[616]
i think somebody forgot to plug in the server
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Hunter Stevens
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:21:00 -
[617]
Originally by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Originally by: ctx2007 Why dont blondes eat bananas?
they cant find the zipper
finally some meaningfull post there. Well it is relevant at the same level as the othe threats
Ha ha. Nice. Thx :) Breaken up the flow with humor totally unrelated. I liked that.
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Amun Khonsu
Royal Order of Security Specialists
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:21:00 -
[618]
Edited by: Amun Khonsu on 23/06/2010 23:21:46
Originally by: DJ Skrull There are a bunch of whiners in this thread.
We ALL knew downtime was part of the game when we started. We all KNEW there was the possibility of extended downtime for a massive move like this. If your sitting there waiting for the servers to come up, checking every min...go find something better to do. Clean your house, do your laundry, run to the store, something.
If you hate Eve so much because of the downtime, you know the way out.
CCP....dont rush the job to appease these people, do it right and only start it when your satisfied with the transfer.
I second this.....
Every fricken time, you get the same brain dead ppl posting the same rubbish over and over.
Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts. |
NekoKitten
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:21:00 -
[619]
Just like Duke Nukem Forever ..
'It will be done, when its done'
.. turned out to be Duke Nukem Fornever. -------------------------------------------------- To Boldy Mine, Where Nobody Has Mined Before .. |
Armeggeda Isprimary
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:22:00 -
[620]
SERVERS UP! SERVERS UP!!! SERVERS UP!!! SERVERS UP! SERVERS UP!!! SERVERS UP!!! SERVERS UP! SERVERS UP!!! SERVERS UP!!! SERVERS UP! SERVERS UP!!! SERVERS UP!!! SERVERS UP! SERVERS UP!!! SERVERS UP!!! SERVERS UP! SERVERS UP!!! SERVERS UP!!! SERVERS UP! SERVERS UP!!! SERVERS UP!!! SERVERS UP! SERVERS UP!!! SERVERS UP!!! SERVERS UP! SERVERS UP!!! SERVERS UP!!! SERVERS UP! SERVERS UP!!! SERVERS UP!!! SERVERS UP! SERVERS UP!!! SERVERS UP!!! SERVERS UP! SERVERS UP!!! SERVERS UP!!! SERVERS UP! SERVERS UP!!! SERVERS UP!!! SERVERS UP! SERVERS UP!!! SERVERS UP!!!
No it's not.. bunch of crybaby's.
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The GoodBook
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:22:00 -
[621]
today i have been mostly eating peas
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Ja'thaal Deathbringer
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:22:00 -
[622]
-sigh- Come on Devs, the locals are getting restless, we want answers as to why TQ isn't up yet, so, got answers? We're sure as $hit waiting for them. We've got things to do, things to blow up and smack to talk. Our lives are offline, please give an update!
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Lake Bloodsky
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:22:00 -
[623]
Edited by: Lake Bloodsky on 23/06/2010 23:22:58 EVE "Online"
Trade Descriptions Act anyone?
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sniper29a
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:22:00 -
[624]
I assume that I play EVE at work and I am paid for it. Otherwise, I wouldn't waste time by some virtual world.
I possibly have not enough madness to waste time with 3 accounts. If you like it, do it.
Please, could you explain me how you control 2 accounts at once? Lets say blockade runner through 0.0 and simultaneously do PvP? Could you teach me secrets of multi-accounts? YOu must be super-woman, only woman can multi-task. I understand researchers, miners, mafucaturers, you run jobs and no more control needed. BUt these jobs maybe done on one account ;-)
I play eve to practice trading in real life. It is great way to learn about crowd madness ;-) This education cost me just few dollars for one account. No need more accounts.
LIke some ppl already wrote. Get life ;-) If you have multi accounts, you don't look much like you have life. Don't you think? Who would waste 3x more money to have some fun in game. If you pay by PLEX, you must be really succesfull to afford 900M ISK per month per 3 account (example). Otherwise, like most you spend so much time in eve and struggle to survive. Everybody I met so far in eve moan about ISK. Not many can make them consistently. MOst wish to be poor. Really weird I tell, but it is good fun to learn how ppl think.
Playing eve is more like social experiment or psychological study to me ;-)
Originally by: Amun Khonsu Again, you are assuming that it takes double or triple the playtime to run 2 or 3 accounts like many ppl do. You can run the SIMULTANEOUSLY.
It takes no more playtime than it does for ONE account.
My chars specialize in focused areas and do them all well. When I get tired of a char, I can always sell it for hordes of iskies. I know ppl who make tons of isk just buying, skilling up and selling chars on multiple accounts.
Anyone who looks down on multiple account holders as somehow not having lives are just plain ignorant.. and jealous that they cant afford more than one account :p
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Small Astroide
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:23:00 -
[625]
What do you call a blond with snot comming out off her nose?!?!?!?!
A: Full
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Wyvr
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:23:00 -
[626]
Funny, I thought EVE Online had a more mature audience? I guess it's a tie with WOW.
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munkyhunter
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:23:00 -
[627]
I'm pretty sure my skill queue finshed an hour ago too...
Question: - If I am training something like Battlecruisers IV and the thing I want to train next requires this, why can't I queue it till BC IV is done?
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General Eric
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:23:00 -
[628]
Guys sing happy birthday to me I turned 1 million just waiting for the server to come back on.
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bluberdumpf
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:23:00 -
[629]
still just waiting on an announcement of when we can expect the server up. i mean if were looking at a 2 day job then were looking at a 2 day job but i would still like to know.
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Admiral Rutledge
Caldari Star-Force-Logistics
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:23:00 -
[630]
Uh oh, looks like some more downtime! Would be nice to get an update no?
"When God ordains a man's time to die, he directs that man to the proper place." |
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OverdoseDelusion
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:23:00 -
[631]
Originally by: DJ Skrull There are a bunch of whiners in this thread.
We ALL knew downtime was part of the game when we started. We all KNEW there was the possibility of extended downtime for a massive move like this. If your sitting there waiting for the servers to come up, checking every min...go find something better to do. Clean your house, do your laundry, run to the store, something.
If you hate Eve so much because of the downtime, you know the way out.
CCP....dont rush the job to appease these people, do it right and only start it when your satisfied with the transfer.
Thank you for stating the obvious and repeating what's already been said in this thread 200 times already.
I think you also need to go and clean your house...do the laundry etc...
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Naraxis Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:24:00 -
[632]
I understand that people become irritated and angry with server administractors and CCP employees, when the game has a fault or a downtime lasts longer than is stated; however, the downtime does not have a set time that should be required to complete all preparations, changes, and upgrades that are prerequired to launch the server. They are guidelines and desired times of launch - nothing more. D.F. Wallace once wrote and deliver a speech to a liberal arts school that regards the very issues that are arising, today. Yes, you are paying money to a play a game, so you are upset or annoyed when you are not receiving the service to which you think that your are entitled. Stop treating CCP employees and other people who make mistakes like objects or obstacles that are in your way. They are human, too. They make mistakes. Planning and preparation cannot anticipate and foresee every little thing. It is [not] possible. If you think that it is possible, you are claiming subjective crap that is spewed in the business world because everyone runs around like rabbits on fire. Stop looking at the world as if it revolves around you, your wants, you need, and what you deserve because "I'm paying for it." Get over it and stop whining. They are trying their best. It is a business and source of income, to them, so they would much like to not anger and frustrate their customers. "Stuff" can just happen, unless you can predict the future and denote and observe every single thread of cause-and-effect and piece together a picture of reference.
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CaptainQuick
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:24:00 -
[633]
Q:How to resolve isk spammers & scammers??? A: Kill a Goon
Q:How to end ignorance in EVE??? A: Kill a Goon
BUTTTT You can't fix Stupid!!! But you can have a blast doing what????? Kill'n Goons
Seishi Roukyouz > whats the difference between cva and rats? Seishi Roukyouz > rats can hold sov in 0.0 lol
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JediRobin
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:24:00 -
[634]
I shure hope ccp doesn't get 50,000 petitions about this downtime.....that would probably crash the sever and cause more downtime.
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E L
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:24:00 -
[635]
Once upon a time there was a blonde with long hair, blue eyes, she was sick of all the blonde jokes.
One day, she decided to get a make over, so she cut and dyed her hair.
She also went out and bought a new convertible.
She went driving down a country road and came across a herd of sheep.
She stopped and called the sheepherder over.
"That's a nice flock of sheep.", she said.
"Well thank you.", said the herder. "Tell you what. I have a proposition for you.", said the woman.
"Okay.", replied the herder.
"If I can guess the exact number of sheep in your flock, can I take one home?", asked the woman. "Sure.", said the sheepherder.
So, the girl sat up and looked at the herd for a second and then replied, "382".
"Wow.", said the herder. "That is exactly right.
Go ahead and pick out the sheep you want to take home."
So the woman went and picked one out and put it in her car.
Upon watching this, the herder approached the woman and offered, "Okay, now I have a proposition for you".
"What is it?", queried the woman.
"If I can guess the real color of your hair... can I have my dog back?"
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ctx2007
Minmatar Wychwood and Wells United Nations Intelligence Taskforces
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:25:00 -
[636]
Whats the definition of trust?
2 cannibals giving each other a blowjob
its still down .............. the revenge of the zombie hamsters!! EVE is a game and a damn good one too |
Elisanti
Gallente Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:25:00 -
[637]
Originally by: munkyhunter I'm pretty sure my skill queue finshed an hour ago too...
Question: - If I am training something like Battlecruisers IV and the thing I want to train next requires this, why can't I queue it till BC IV is done?
I'm assuming because it would be tricky to remove the "next thing you want to train" as well if BC IV is removed from the queue?
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Amy Washimine
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:25:00 -
[638]
Originally by: munkyhunter I'm pretty sure my skill queue finshed an hour ago too...
Question: - If I am training something like Battlecruisers IV and the thing I want to train next requires this, why can't I queue it till BC IV is done?
:P Hello munky.
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Arithron
Gallente Gallente Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:26:00 -
[639]
Edited by: Arithron on 23/06/2010 23:28:25 Hopefully the DEVs don't have time to reply to this thread, as they are busily working on getting Tranq up and running so we can login.
On the upside, many sites of ill-repute have probably seen increased traffic today as a result of the DT. Some of the posters in this thread prolly have smoother palms as a result Vote Arithron for CSM! Check out my thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=899358 |
VanHalen5150
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:26:00 -
[640]
Originally by: Small Astroide What do you call a blond with snot comming out off her nose?!?!?!?!
A: Full
no, thats what do you call a blonde with come coming out of her nose.
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Teneos Stand
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:26:00 -
[641]
Originally by: Doran Guile and my birthday cake
Happy birthday!
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Joe D'Trader
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:27:00 -
[642]
Test post please ignore,
Try Eve offline
http://eve.znaor.hr/evegame/index.php
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Peri Stark
Gallente Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:27:00 -
[643]
At the last minute they found out the hamsters are to cold and now they can't move. ================================================
Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you! |
Jaroslav Unwanted
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:27:00 -
[644]
------------------ New Rules ------------------- ------------- Poetry competition --------------- write the poetry if we like it, we will salute you ------------------------------------------------
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Kindra69
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:27:00 -
[645]
Edited by: Kindra69 on 23/06/2010 23:28:35 woo hoo going TQ will be on soon but soon it will be DT anyway lol
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DJ Skrull
Caldari We Are The Walrus
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:27:00 -
[646]
Originally by: OverdoseDelusion
Originally by: DJ Skrull There are a bunch of whiners in this thread.
We ALL knew downtime was part of the game when we started. We all KNEW there was the possibility of extended downtime for a massive move like this. If your sitting there waiting for the servers to come up, checking every min...go find something better to do. Clean your house, do your laundry, run to the store, something.
If you hate Eve so much because of the downtime, you know the way out.
CCP....dont rush the job to appease these people, do it right and only start it when your satisfied with the transfer.
Thank you for stating the obvious and repeating what's already been said in this thread 200 times already.
I think you also need to go and clean your house...do the laundry etc...
Already ahead of you. Just came in to check the forums to see if the deadline had been extended to beyond my training queue. EVEntually |
NekoKitten
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:28:00 -
[647]
Well guys and gals, have fun waiting, I'm off to find my Eve paradise in my dreams .. to bed ! Night night all from The Netherlands, Europe (6/24/2010 1:27am) -------------------------------------------------- To Boldy Mine, Where Nobody Has Mined Before .. |
Silicon Sailor
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:28:00 -
[648]
Originally by: Wyvr Funny, I thought EVE Online had a more mature audience? I guess it's a tie with WOW.
Oh gods... that simply will not do...
Q: What did Pinocchio say when he saw a naked girl the first time?
A: Oh no! Termites...
---------------- There, now we are no longer tied with WOW
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Feanor Sill
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:28:00 -
[649]
I think I need some coffe, be back in a few minutes... Walk softly and carry a big gun! |
IITRUEJUNGLIST
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:29:00 -
[650]
Well its funny to see how many people have grown dependant on a internet game... kind of sad really.
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JulianPhoenix
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:29:00 -
[651]
Get Tranq back up!!! You're a half-hour late!!!
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Tailson
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:29:00 -
[652]
Ah well, I'm glad I set a 5-day skill going yesterday. Should last me until the servers come back up.
While we're all telling jokes:
Q. What's blue and fluffy?
A. Blue fluff.
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Astraias
Amarr In Vinasse Veritas
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:29:00 -
[653]
Being French we had the World Cup for despair, enough frustrationsà
Just reboot the damn server
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Ressiv
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:29:00 -
[654]
.... must ... refrain .... from .... commenting on the .... people commenting on the people .... commenting ....
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kattak4
Bonny Buccaneers The Circus
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:29:00 -
[655]
My extractors are finished but I can't log in yet! How will I make my PI millions now...
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Sturm Mann
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:30:00 -
[656]
DONT DEFEND CCP. THEY HAVE MULTIMILLION DOLLAR LAWYERS TO DO THAT.
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GeeShizzle McCloud
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:30:00 -
[657]
do u think theyve only just realised the hamsters havent survived the trip? either that or the new col room has frosen them to their wheels! rofl!
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xerosix
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:30:00 -
[658]
Originally by: Feanor Sill I think I need some coffe, be back in a few minutes...
Go get it in Brazil. I think you have time.
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a55mu11e7
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:31:00 -
[659]
Originally by: IITRUEJUNGLIST Well its funny to see how many people have grown dependant on a internet game... kind of sad really.
internet spaceships are serious business!
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Firemouth Convict
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:31:00 -
[660]
Pick a time and stick with it 1500 to 1800 to 2100 to 2300 next time just tell everyone it will be a few days all will be well
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E L
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:31:00 -
[661]
Down Time Makes You Whine Like Fat Kid at Diet Camp Eat Pie and Shut Up?
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ctx2007
Minmatar Wychwood and Wells United Nations Intelligence Taskforces
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:31:00 -
[662]
why do dogs lick their balls?
they cant make a fist EVE is a game and a damn good one too |
Perseus Kallistratos
The Maverick Navy IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:31:00 -
[663]
Edited by: Perseus Kallistratos on 23/06/2010 23:31:55
Originally by: DJ Skrull There are a bunch of whiners in this thread.
We ALL knew downtime was part of the game when we started. We all KNEW there was the possibility of extended downtime for a massive move like this. If your sitting there waiting for the servers to come up, checking every min...go find something better to do. Clean your house, do your laundry, run to the store, something.
If you hate Eve so much because of the downtime, you know the way out.
CCP....dont rush the job to appease these people, do it right and only start it when your satisfied with the transfer.
I laughed. You just asked them to do it right I think what you missed, is that there have been two promised deadlines that have come and gone. CCP is a business, and when a business sets expectation for customers and doesn't meet them, the customer can be mad.
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Tasic
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:31:00 -
[664]
Official, downtime extended to 01:00
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Ceillian
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:31:00 -
[665]
Originally by: Ressiv .... must ... refrain .... from .... commenting on the .... people commenting on the people .... commenting ....
XD
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Amun Khonsu
Royal Order of Security Specialists
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:31:00 -
[666]
Hi m8.
Actually, I did explain it in a previous post. One account can mine ice for your POS, minerals for manufacturing or transport stuff. PvP account can be used at the same time. If one has third account it can be used as a covert scout for operations at the same time as account 1 and 2.
OR, you can run one account and use account 2,3,4 to skill up characters that you intend to recoup isk from through the sales of characters. I have seen huge returns (more than the cost of the accounts or plexes one might use) in engaging in this Character Bazaar activity.
I dont see anything wrong with ppl who want more than one account.. or that it takes from their real life any more than someone with 1 account. There are ppl with one account that havent showered in days and grow asses the same shape as their chairs just the same. Its how you spend your time I think.
Originally by: sniper29a I assume that I play EVE at work and I am paid for it. Otherwise, I wouldn't waste time by some virtual world.
I possibly have not enough madness to waste time with 3 accounts. If you like it, do it.
Please, could you explain me how you control 2 accounts at once? Lets say blockade runner through 0.0 and simultaneously do PvP? Could you teach me secrets of multi-accounts? YOu must be super-woman, only woman can multi-task. I understand researchers, miners, mafucaturers, you run jobs and no more control needed. BUt these jobs maybe done on one account ;-)
I play eve to practice trading in real life. It is great way to learn about crowd madness ;-) This education cost me just few dollars for one account. No need more accounts.
LIke some ppl already wrote. Get life ;-) If you have multi accounts, you don't look much like you have life. Don't you think? Who would waste 3x more money to have some fun in game. If you pay by PLEX, you must be really succesfull to afford 900M ISK per month per 3 account (example). Otherwise, like most you spend so much time in eve and struggle to survive. Everybody I met so far in eve moan about ISK. Not many can make them consistently. MOst wish to be poor. Really weird I tell, but it is good fun to learn how ppl think.
Playing eve is more like social experiment or psychological study to me ;-)
Originally by: Amun Khonsu Again, you are assuming that it takes double or triple the playtime to run 2 or 3 accounts like many ppl do. You can run the SIMULTANEOUSLY.
It takes no more playtime than it does for ONE account.
My chars specialize in focused areas and do them all well. When I get tired of a char, I can always sell it for hordes of iskies. I know ppl who make tons of isk just buying, skilling up and selling chars on multiple accounts.
Anyone who looks down on multiple account holders as somehow not having lives are just plain ignorant.. and jealous that they cant afford more than one account :p
Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts. |
munkyhunter
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:32:00 -
[667]
Originally by: Amy Washimine :P Hello munky.
Have we met?
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Loongcat
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:32:00 -
[668]
I wonder if they dropped some bits down a flight of stairs by accident... that might cause a slowdown
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Undying Fate
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:32:00 -
[669]
I call bucket of fail sauce.....server was supposed to be up half an hour ago.
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Arithron
Gallente Gallente Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:32:00 -
[670]
Edited by: Arithron on 23/06/2010 23:32:46
Originally by: E L Down Time Makes You Whine Like Fat Kid at Diet Camp Eat Pie and Shut Up?
Genius 5/7/5 Vote Arithron for CSM! Check out my thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=899358 |
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Raist DB
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:32:00 -
[671]
If we at my company left our customers in the dark during an extended downtime, they'd be ****ed to say the least. At least update us. If its going to take another 4 hours or 4 days so be it. Just """"Communicate"""" it.
Does this mean I dont have a life :P
To those who bash fellow Eve'ers. Dont hate the playas, blame the game. CCP made a great game. We look forward to blastin... eh and mining I guess. Anyway, if you have to F5 and flame us, you should get a life actually. I guess for you its time well spent. Sorry I blew up.
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Jaminb20302
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:32:00 -
[672]
haha someone is posting something ever 10 seconds, lol relax ppl
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OverdoseDelusion
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:32:00 -
[673]
Originally by: IITRUEJUNGLIST Well its funny to see how many people have grown dependant on a internet game... kind of sad really.
And yet you're also sat here, posting in the thread...
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Aaryanna
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:32:00 -
[674]
Originally by: Ressiv .... must ... refrain .... from .... commenting on the .... people commenting on the people .... commenting ....
.... must ... refrain .... from .... commenting on the .... person .... refraining from commenting ... on the ... people commenting ... on the people .... commenting .... |
bluberdumpf
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:32:00 -
[675]
Originally by: Amun Khonsu Hi m8.
Actually, I did explain it in a previous post. One account can mine ice for your POS, minerals for manufacturing or transport stuff. PvP account can be used at the same time. If one has third account it can be used as a covert scout for operations at the same time as account 1 and 2.
OR, you can run one account and use account 2,3,4 to skill up characters that you intend to recoup isk from through the sales of characters. I have seen huge returns (more than the cost of the accounts or plexes one might use) in engaging in this Character Bazaar activity.
I dont see anything wrong with ppl who want more than one account.. or that it takes from their real life any more than someone with 1 account. There are ppl with one account that havent showered in days and grow asses the same shape as their chairs just the same. Its how you spend your time I think.
Originally by: sniper29a I assume that I play EVE at work and I am paid for it. Otherwise, I wouldn't waste time by some virtual world.
I possibly have not enough madness to waste time with 3 accounts. If you like it, do it.
Please, could you explain me how you control 2 accounts at once? Lets say blockade runner through 0.0 and simultaneously do PvP? Could you teach me secrets of multi-accounts? YOu must be super-woman, only woman can multi-task. I understand researchers, miners, mafucaturers, you run jobs and no more control needed. BUt these jobs maybe done on one account ;-)
I play eve to practice trading in real life. It is great way to learn about crowd madness ;-) This education cost me just few dollars for one account. No need more accounts.
LIke some ppl already wrote. Get life ;-) If you have multi accounts, you don't look much like you have life. Don't you think? Who would waste 3x more money to have some fun in game. If you pay by PLEX, you must be really succesfull to afford 900M ISK per month per 3 account (example). Otherwise, like most you spend so much time in eve and struggle to survive. Everybody I met so far in eve moan about ISK. Not many can make them consistently. MOst wish to be poor. Really weird I tell, but it is good fun to learn how ppl think.
Playing eve is more like social experiment or psychological study to me ;-)
Originally by: Amun Khonsu Again, you are assuming that it takes double or triple the playtime to run 2 or 3 accounts like many ppl do. You can run the SIMULTANEOUSLY.
It takes no more playtime than it does for ONE account.
My chars specialize in focused areas and do them all well. When I get tired of a char, I can always sell it for hordes of iskies. I know ppl who make tons of isk just buying, skilling up and selling chars on multiple accounts.
Anyone who looks down on multiple account holders as somehow not having lives are just plain ignorant.. and jealous that they cant afford more than one account :p
**** YOUR POST TLDR
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JediRobin
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:33:00 -
[676]
Wish ccp would update the client to 2400 UTC
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Lake Bloodsky
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:34:00 -
[677]
Originally by: Gee****zle McCloud do u think theyve only just realised the hamsters havent survived the trip? either that or the new col room has frosen them to their wheels! rofl!
OHNOES!
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DJ Skrull
Caldari We Are The Walrus
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:34:00 -
[678]
Jack Handey's deep thought of the day:
"I think a good gift for the president would be a chocolate revolver. And since he's so busy, you'd probably have to run up real quick and give it to him." EVEntually |
The GoodBook
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:34:00 -
[679]
back in the old days u got a free day of eve when things went on so long .. i mean im sure they are doing the best .. but will it happen this time ?? As its been a while they have mis-judged the timing
ps keep up the good work ccp |
Omir Kajil
Gallente The POD Collective
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:35:00 -
[680]
Originally by: Aaryanna
Originally by: Ressiv .... must ... refrain .... from .... commenting on the .... people commenting on the people .... commenting ....
.... must ... refrain .... from .... commenting on the .... person .... refraining from commenting ... on the ... people commenting ... on the people .... commenting ....
.... must ... refrain .... from .... commenting on the .... person .... refraining from commenting ... on the ... people commenting ... on the people .... commenting ... But I digress. This one time at fat camp, i was flying a dominix, and then I was so hungry that i ate 3 planets and collapsed into a black hole, which ate my sig. |
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Clonehopper
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:35:00 -
[681]
Just if they would REALLY keep us updated it would be better.
5 minutes till ETA over, extend for 2 more hours (repeat)
Now, no updates and its and the last ETA is overdue by 30 mins... |
Evelyne Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:35:00 -
[682]
Originally by: Arithron Edited by: Arithron on 23/06/2010 23:28:25 Hopefully the DEVs don't have time to reply to this thread, as they are busily working on getting Tranq up and running so we can login. ...
lmao you have a ..errm.. funny way of picturing CCPs jobs
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Reiiik
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:35:00 -
[683]
Originally by: The GoodBook back in the old days u got a free day of eve when things went on so long .. i mean im sure they are doing the best .. but will it happen this time ?? As its been a while they have mis-judged the timing
ps keep up the good work ccp
Free is good.
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NotFred
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:36:00 -
[684]
Clear Skies
2:05-->2:20
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GeeShizzle McCloud
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:36:00 -
[685]
Originally by: Lake Bloodsky
Originally by: Gee****zle McCloud do u think theyve only just realised the hamsters havent survived the trip? either that or the new col room has frosen them to their wheels! rofl!
OHNOES!
haha thats brilliant! :D
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Small Astroide
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:36:00 -
[686]
E L Posted - 2010.06.23 23:31:00 - [660] - QuoteReport
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Down Time Makes You Whine Like Fat Kid at Diet Camp Eat Pie and Shut Up?
i m eating spaggetti is that good enough???
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Macabre Devil
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:36:00 -
[687]
As a person who uses Steam and plays plenty of Valve games I suggest non-Steam users view to this helpful guide for reference: http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time
Remember CCP teamed up with Valve to have the game on Steam. Valve Time seems to have spread infected EVE through that connection. >:3
First forum post ever! Nope wait not true, second... :P
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JareBear
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:36:00 -
[688]
2400 UTC is 8PM Eastern Correct?
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Ruby Steele
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:37:00 -
[689]
Originally by: munkyhunter
Originally by: Amy Washimine :P Hello munky.
Have we met?
Out of the tons of people that play eve I didnt think I'd find you here. /Ruby
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Gholar
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:37:00 -
[690]
Why do we not have video..... Would have been cool to see everybody running around, pulling cables ... Racking and Stacking....
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FireFlight 7
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Posted - 2010.06.23 23:37:00 -
[691]
i call fail sauce...why is the server not up?
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Exenferis
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Posted - 2010.06.24 14:45:00 -
[692]
well at least the forum is back!!!!
Anything from CCP??? Apparently TQ is on but not accepting connecting with 21 users connect(which may be the guys from CCP)
There is any more accurate time we will be able to play???
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Iwant Urstuff
Amarr Iwant Urstuff Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:05:00 -
[693]
Wow, I am stunned with how well this is going.
If you really, really are going to quit EVE, please leave your stuff to me. You will walk away knowing that one human being is grateful to you. |
Exenferis
Gallente BRASTUGA Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:06:00 -
[694]
at least the server is UP!!!! Now will be just more few hours!!!! :)
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ahall
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:08:00 -
[695]
AAAANNNNNNDDDD... now it's down :(
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Vir Hellnamin
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:08:00 -
[696]
Originally by: CCP Yokai It begins... see you guys/gals in 6 hours.
QFT! -- "Entering MH means instant death. It's worse than 0.0. Even the asteroids shoot back." - Alex Harumichi [GRD]
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Emma Royd
Caldari Maddled Gommerils
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:09:00 -
[697]
Edited by: Emma Royd on 24/06/2010 15:09:22
Originally by: CCP Yokai It begins... see you guys/gals in 6ish hours.
Hmm, thought it was a little optimistic, you forgot the ish
+_+
Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity |
Jokerface666
Amarr Cosmology
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:10:00 -
[698]
Hey Guys,
after so long, thank god and thank you, you made it :-) great job, you should take some rest now i think :-) Will there be some pictures of the move? :-) wanna see your faces when realied the issues hehe :-P
i'm pretty sure there are some beer pictures also.
Br, and again great job, Joker
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Miilla
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:12:00 -
[699]
Originally by: Jokerface666 Hey Guys,
after so long, thank god and thank you, you made it :-) great job, you should take some rest now i think :-) Will there be some pictures of the move? :-) wanna see your faces when realied the issues hehe :-P
i'm pretty sure there are some beer pictures also.
Br, and again great job, Joker
It's not up yet Derwood.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:15:00 -
[700]
Are we there yet, Papa Smurf? -------- All I want is a better mankind.
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ahall
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:15:00 -
[701]
Originally by: Abrazzar Are we there yet, Papa Smurf?
nope lol
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Jokerface666
Amarr Cosmology
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:16:00 -
[702]
Seems like they're testing the shiat out of TQ, so it should go online soone.
Br, Joker
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Exenferis
Gallente BRASTUGA Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:16:00 -
[703]
Edited by: Exenferis on 24/06/2010 15:17:56 server is working!!!!
SEE YOU THERE!!!!
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not allow to connect!!!! :(
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Miilla
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:18:00 -
[704]
Originally by: Exenferis server is working!!!!
SEE YOU THERE!!!!
It's not accepting connections Derwood.
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DeltaAgent26a
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:19:00 -
[705]
Nice to hear about all the upgrades, and possibilities of less lag, etc, etc, etc, but i thought the point of this thread was to update us on WHEN the server was to be up and running...
So when exactly will that be? Sometime today, tomorrow, by the weekend, sometime early next week?
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ahall
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:22:00 -
[706]
whats everyones face when you realised that the server isnt going to be up today?
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SecTrade
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:23:00 -
[707]
Originally by: CCP Yokai It begins... see you guys/gals in 6 hours.
Ha Ha. Come on CCP, you should know better than to rely upon your down time estimates.
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Jugger Takashi
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:25:00 -
[708]
Originally by: SecTrade
Originally by: CCP Yokai It begins... see you guys/gals in 6 hours.
Ha Ha. Come on CCP, you should know better than to rely upon your down time estimates.
Haha, GANKED!
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Exenferis
Gallente BRASTUGA Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:30:00 -
[709]
every is very quiet today in comparison with yesterday!
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ahall
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:31:00 -
[710]
Edited by: ahall on 24/06/2010 15:32:09 im bored, i wanna play some games but everything remindes me of eve
this is the day eve dies :(
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CHONGUS
V I R I I Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:32:00 -
[711]
I like the look of the server room. You should make that the transition scene you see while leaving your hangar for the Dust514 FPS.
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Exenferis
Gallente BRASTUGA Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:35:00 -
[712]
Originally by: ahall Edited by: ahall on 24/06/2010 15:32:09 im bored, i wanna play some games but everything remindes me of eve
this is the day eve dies :(
i was playing Homeworld 2
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AiRKnight5
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:35:00 -
[713]
:( i want test drive my new cruiser
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:38:00 -
[714]
Are we there yet, Papa Smurf? -------- All I want is a better mankind.
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Mabrick
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:38:00 -
[715]
Hey CCP, thank's for making the hard choice to ensure everything is okay and not giving in to the "get it up even if it isn't right" impulse. I would rather spend a night alone without my ships than lose years of hard work. I really appreciate your diligence and I don't think you are told that often enough. Good job!
As for the hardware specs... *drool*
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Miilla
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:39:00 -
[716]
Originally by: Mabrick Hey CCP, thank's for making the hard choice to ensure everything is okay and not giving in to the "get it up even if it isn't right" impulse. I would rather spend a night alone without my ships than lose years of hard work. I really appreciate your diligence and I don't think you are told that often enough. Good job!
As for the hardware specs... *drool*
It's not finsihed yet, derwood.
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Exenferis
Gallente BRASTUGA Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:41:00 -
[717]
Any one fancy a 1x1 on Homeworld 2?????
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ahall
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:42:00 -
[718]
Originally by: Exenferis Any one fancy a 1x1 on Homeworld 2?????
i wish, but i dont have THE GAME right now :( (not on this comp anyway)
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DeltaAgent26a
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:46:00 -
[719]
Originally by: Exenferis Any one fancy a 1x1 on Homeworld 2?????
Would love to, but don't have the game any more, and don't want to pay $126.00 US (+shipping) to get the boxed set of 3 games.
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kelmar89
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:46:00 -
[720]
Tranquility is currently up in test mode and we expect to be live at 16:00 UTC
15mins guys, lets hope
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:48:00 -
[721]
Off-topic posts removed.
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Exenferis
Gallente BRASTUGA Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:50:00 -
[722]
Edited by: Exenferis on 24/06/2010 15:52:12 Homeworld 2
by Vivendi Universal Rated: Teen List Price: $19.99 Price: $13.29 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25
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eXeCutA
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:50:00 -
[723]
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DeltaAgent26a
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:53:00 -
[724]
Originally by: CCP Shadow Off-topic posts removed.
Sorry about that... but wouldn't be talking about off topic things if the server was up and running, now would we?
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1Esquire
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:54:00 -
[725]
Originally by: CCP Shadow Off-topic posts removed.
worry about the game and not what we say here. we would not be here is the game was up less than +2000% over the original estimate
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whoflngdng
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:55:00 -
[726]
Just out of idle curiosity, what the heck is UTC time-- I am going nuts trying to figure out what the hell time that is for me. Why not just say such-and-such GAME time??
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Miilla
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:56:00 -
[727]
Well the server upgrade is good timing.
For HULKAGEDDON III!
Faster, more improved ganking!
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E L
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:56:00 -
[728]
Originally by: CCP Shadow Off-topic posts removed.
Awww you removed my Haiku.
:( <---- My sad panda face, The blonde jokes are gone too, Off to school with me.
Anyways, Hope everything works out, I wont get to play for about 10 hours. :P
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Miss McKenzie
Emperor Inc
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:59:00 -
[729]
Edited by: Miss McKenzie on 24/06/2010 15:59:23
Originally by: whoflngdng Just out of idle curiosity, what the heck is UTC time-- I am going nuts trying to figure out what the hell time that is for me. Why not just say such-and-such GAME time??
Same as EVE Time. UTC is same as GMT without daylight savings adjustment.
Or just google it...
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:01:00 -
[730]
Are we there yet, Papa Smurf? -------- All I want is a better mankind.
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Miilla
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:01:00 -
[731]
Originally by: Exenferis Edited by: Exenferis on 24/06/2010 15:52:12 Homeworld 2
by Vivendi Universal Rated: Teen List Price: $19.99 Price: $13.29 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25
Since CCP allow advertising of other non eve products.
I wish to draw your attention to a soon to be released MMO called SWTOR, STAR WARS The Old Republic.
Certinaly it is going to compete with EVE big time.
You can find more info on it here.. SWTOR
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AiRKnight5
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:01:00 -
[732]
IT WORKS!
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1Esquire
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:01:00 -
[733]
Great Job on yet another failed deadline CCP
6-23 15 18 21 23 ?? 6-24 16 GMT
(and is u live in US UTC = GMT with daylight savings) example EST 12 = GMT 16
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Mr JitaWatcher
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:03:00 -
[734]
I'm in - so the 16:00 UTC/GMT/Eve-Time estimatate was close
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Feanor Sill
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:04:00 -
[735]
I wonder, My skill training queue ended yesterday at 2230UTC, I believe noone expected this downtime to be sooooo long so I haven't replenish the queue and my char is idle, will I get my wasted 20hrs of training back? Walk softly and carry a big gun! |
IceDe4d
Big Guns Inc. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:04:00 -
[736]
i would say give us gametime back but on the over hand every expansion is free, so im would say its ok.
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Zachary Dellinger
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:05:00 -
[737]
Originally by: DeltaAgent26a Edited by: DeltaAgent26a on 24/06/2010 15:58:07
Originally by: CCP Shadow Off-topic posts removed.
Sorry about that... but wouldn't be talking about off topic things if the server was up and running, now would we?
And it's nice to see that the Devs have time to censor the thread, but not the time to update us on the server status... Hmmm... go figure..
If you actually had paid attention to the site for the last 14 hours that it was down, you'd have noticed that they've been posting quite frequently on the twitter page, which doesn't require as much time as it would to post a forum post comprising of everything they're doing.
To you, CCP, I give my regards. Thanks for taking the time to make sure the database was in order and that everything about your game transferred safe and sound. I don't think people would realize how annoyed they'd be if the move happened quicker and they lost their 2 years + worth of work.
Thank you, also, for keeping us informed on the third party sites. Of the other online games I've played, I will state that most time the management doesn't care about informing us what's going on. Thanks for keeping your faithful customers in the loop.
Nice to see a company we're paying actually cares.
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cumere
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:09:00 -
[738]
Yeah, what is UTC time?????
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Feanor Sill
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:10:00 -
[739]
Hey I don't have any issue with the extended DT, if it will make the game better, server running smoother, make it even 3 days if it helps... it's just; some warning might help a great deal :) |
Vir Hellnamin
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:15:00 -
[740]
Edited by: Vir Hellnamin on 24/06/2010 16:14:48 http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=3963&tid=1
Thank you! :) -- "Entering MH means instant death. It's worse than 0.0. Even the asteroids shoot back." - Alex Harumichi [GRD]
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Feanor Sill
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:18:00 -
[741]
That anwers it all I think thanx CCP:)
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Lorna Sicling
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:33:00 -
[742]
Thanks CCP - can't imagine what you've been through. Looking forward to the skill points and also now can't wait until Tuesday to see what else you have in store!
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:37:00 -
[743]
Free skill points? I am so conflicted about this. This system for manipulating skill points sounds dangerous and un-cold, un-harsh.
Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
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Reyna Neens
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:38:00 -
[744]
Edited by: Reyna Neens on 24/06/2010 16:38:02
Originally by: Feanor Sill I wonder, My skill training queue ended yesterday at 2230UTC, I believe noone expected this downtime to be sooooo long so I haven't replenish the queue and my char is idle, will I get my wasted 20hrs of training back?
Read this.
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=3963&tid=1
Quote: In gratitude for your patience, we will give an extra pool of skillpoints to all accounts (paying and trial) that were active at the beginning of this downtime, on one character per account. This skillpoint pool will be appropriately sized for the downtime time frame, universal across all accounts regardless of character attributes/implants and may be applied as each player wants.
This will be done through a new system in the development pipeline, currently scheduled for deployment next TuesdayÆs patching opportunity* during regularly scheduled downtime. Since it has been ôhot droppedö into the development plans, we will be providing step-by-step instructions for how to use it as soon as possible.
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Janatheth
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:53:00 -
[745]
Quote: ...In gratitude for your patience, we will give an extra pool of skillpoints to all accounts...
Gentleman, we've done it... we have just won EVE.
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Emma Royd
Caldari Maddled Gommerils
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:54:00 -
[746]
Let me help +_+
Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity |
Cyntharima
Minmatar Redimio Veritas
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:56:00 -
[747]
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=3963&tid=1
Quote: In gratitude for your patience, we will give an extra pool of skillpoints to all accounts (paying and trial) that were active at the beginning of this downtime, on one character per account.
I wish CCP would review the message boards and NOT give extra skillpoints to all the people who weren't patient! No ponies for whiners.
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Feanor Sill
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:02:00 -
[748]
@Reyna Neens Read before you post, no need to repeat same thing over and over again... Besides This still puts those who didn't run out of skills in queue in better position, but what CCP offered is fair enough imo... well **** happens |
Arrian Oaldavi
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:05:00 -
[749]
I would like to report that I cannot access:
Ships Items Wallet Undock Gates
In Providence ATM...
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Mabrick
Mabrick Mining and Manufacturing
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:23:00 -
[750]
Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Mabrick Hey CCP, thank's for making the hard choice to ensure everything is okay and not giving in to the "get it up even if it isn't right" impulse. I would rather spend a night alone without my ships than lose years of hard work. I really appreciate your diligence and I don't think you are told that often enough. Good job!
As for the hardware specs... *drool*
It's not finsihed yet, derwood.
Your comment illustrates your hydrocephalus. You should get that checked out.
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carebear one
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Posted - 2010.06.25 21:03:00 -
[751]
Edited by: carebear one on 25/06/2010 21:03:13 a tribut to CCP
http://www.eve-outtakes.de/server.jpg
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Ying Lin
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Posted - 2010.06.29 14:33:00 -
[752]
I am just curious besides the additional hardware that CCP is throwing in to make EVE server more stable and perform better.
I would like to know what management/software infrastructure is used to enable high availability - clustering software or storage management software to keep the SQL servers running.
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CCP Yokai
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Posted - 2010.06.29 17:10:00 -
[753]
Originally by: carebear one Edited by: carebear one on 25/06/2010 21:03:13 a tribut to CCP
http://www.eve-outtakes.de/server.jpg
Where are you getting your insider pics from?
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Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.30 07:02:00 -
[754]
Can we haz part 2 of this devblog, pretty please.....
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smashnecros
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Posted - 2010.06.30 09:51:00 -
[755]
somebody from ccp promised write new dev blog about issues during TQ upgrade. it'll be interesting to read it.
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IMaxXx
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Posted - 2010.06.30 12:30:00 -
[756]
If i start EVE it still says server status unknown...
Am i the only one with this problem??
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CCP Yokai
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Posted - 2010.06.30 14:01:00 -
[757]
Originally by: smashnecros somebody from ccp promised write new dev blog about issues during TQ upgrade. it'll be interesting to read it.
Up now! http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1345417
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Vauryndar Dalharil
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Posted - 2010.06.30 14:25:00 -
[758]
Originally by: CCP Yokai
Up now! http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1345417
FYL
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smashnecros
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Posted - 2010.06.30 15:53:00 -
[759]
Up now! http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1345417
404 not found :( epic fail )
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Cosmic Rainbow
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Posted - 2010.07.05 19:42:00 -
[760]
Edited by: Cosmic Rainbow on 05/07/2010 19:41:57 Im not sure if this is relevant or not given CCP's infrastructure but I thought this might be something interesting to read at the very least...
"IBMÆs Hot-Water Supercomputer Goes Live"
http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2010/07/05/ibms-hot-water-supercomputer-goes-live/
Edit: for horrible seplling
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Lady Bonnet
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Posted - 2010.07.09 00:31:00 -
[761]
Out of curiosity how many loc is the sol node itself? Has CCP ever considered trying to multi thread it?
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Elijaah Bailey
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Posted - 2010.07.27 21:32:00 -
[762]
Originally by: Ying Lin I am just curious besides the additional hardware that CCP is throwing in to make EVE server more stable and perform better.
I would like to know what management/software infrastructure is used to enable high availability - clustering software or storage management software to keep the SQL servers running.
They are running on Windoz with daily downtime that sometimes extedens because of corrupted database, windoz related problems. This means there is no HA. Because 23h/day availability with sudden crashes this means they actualy don't have any type of avalability policy. The hardware policy is standard in Microsoft networks -> when in trouble upgrade the hardware.
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ViolenTUK
Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.05 17:22:00 -
[763]
Just reminding CCP that eve is still very laggy. Perhaps you should investigate the client.
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