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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.04.11 11:02:00 -
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So..i have no problems with ninja salvagers,but what i hate is having to sit there and see how my stuff gets salvaged without being able to fight.Let them come..its ok.But ffs..let me defend my stuff.I dont work an hour to sit there and let some noob that cant play rob my stuff.They should flash red!!!
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.04.11 11:07:00 -
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Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 11/04/2010 11:10:13 Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 11/04/2010 11:09:07 Im fullfilling a purpose too...cleaning out people who fail at this game and want free isk.Im fine with them..more for me to shoot..this isnt a race..its about fighting so why not let me fight for my stuff?
I know they want aggro...i tried and gave him his aggro.He didnt do a thing but salvage my ships.He was two months old and needed..in my opinion...a lesson.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.04.11 11:15:00 -
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Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 11/04/2010 11:16:31
Originally by: Marko Riva
Originally by: HeIIfire11 Im fullfilling a purpose too...cleaning out people who fail at this game and want free isk.Im fine with them..more for me to shoot..this isnt a race..its about fighting so why not let me fight for my stuff?
Because when that happens you'll make a new thread whining about how you got ganked by said ninja salvager after you tickled his salvage dessy and he came back in something bigger.
Go troll someone else and get over yourself...im old enough to take care of myself.For the ones who want aggro...good plan,but for the ones who want the isk without risk....FAIL!!
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.04.11 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia It's not your stuff.
Blah blah...are you serious??And in any case i should be able to fight for it.Atwo month old player salvaging lvl 4 loot should be ready to deal with a lvl 4 player.Just my 2 isk.You can say what you want...its just lame and annoying.And only serves players that get a kick out of bothering others...same that are trolling these forums.Same that 9 out of ten...fail at this game.Again..my opinion
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.04.11 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Paknac Queltel
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Tippia It's not your stuff.
Blah blah...are you serious??And in any case i should be able to fight for it.Atwo month old player salvaging lvl 4 loot should be ready to deal with a lvl 4 player.Just my 2 isk.You can say what you want...its just lame and annoying.And only serves players that get a kick out of bothering others...same that are trolling these forums.Same that 9 out of ten...fail at this game.Again..my opinion
If their goal is to annoy you, they're certainly not failing at their game. If their game is to grab salvage to sell, they're also not failing at their game. If your goal is to grab salvage and they're grabbing it first, you're failing at your game. Just my opinion.
Don't forget, you can always string a salvager along by shooting at the wrecks, if you're so inclined.
Goshdarnit, I love sandboxes.
Yeah i guess you got a point.Just a shame that eve has a heart for scammers and lowlifes...but i guess if they didnt..they could hide amongst the real players.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.04.11 12:06:00 -
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Yeah well this isnt avoidable..which is why im posting.Because it either should be..or let us fight em.Theres a nice new function in the game ..its called abandon wreck.Id say the garbage men have enough to do with those..at 0 risk.
And even being able to do a lvl 4 is work enough..for those who say the missioners dont work.If its no work then why not do your own
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.04.11 12:58:00 -
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I killed it..I should be able to defend what im after and fight for it.Thats what eve is about..collecting and defending it.Why give them free stuff? And why should I go mission somewhere else or become a ninja.This game isnt all about themIt doesnt pay half as good.Infact im pretty sure this will change soon and im just giving it a bump.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.04.11 13:12:00 -
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Again..blah blah...you make no sense at all..go ninja salvage or something.Go somewhere
because trolling aint your thing
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.04.11 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: HeIIfire11 Again..blah blah...you make no sense at all..
Rightą because when you cannot understand the key point here: that it isn't your stuff because you haven't earned it, it's really because I don't make any sense.
Try thinking. It helps.
Reading helps too by the way "Hellfire11's wreck"
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.04.11 14:23:00 -
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Like i said before in another post...eve would be boring if it was only pvp.Mission running is boring enough to also put up with being stolen from and not being able to defend it...all we want is aggro.And the chance to fight..if hes in my mission..he went out of his way to find it.And wants isk at someone elses cost.He should be red..and i should have the right to fight...for the right to mission in that system.
So all you trolls get back on your little yellow bus and go where ever it is you came from...if you think about it,i have a very good point.And for the ninjas that want aggro..it would work in your favor.Its just the ones that want free stuff that dont like it.Lets see you fit a ship ready to fight and ninja salvage..if you do..then and only then do you earn my respect.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.04.11 14:38:00 -
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Once again..reading helps alot!I didnt ask ccp for a thing.I just posted this to get another opinion..and i dont care for yours at all.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.04.11 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: HeIIfire11 Once again..reading helps alot!I didnt ask ccp for a thing.I just posted this to get another opinion..and i dont care for yours at all.
So in other words, you didn't actually post to get another opinion ū you posted to get the same opinion as your own: that you don't want to make an effort and compete over something that was purposefully designed to be free for all.
No..i posted to get an opinion that makes sense..and not one telling me its not mine when my name and corp name is clearly written on it.Im done with this unless anyone has some real arguments on this subject.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.04.11 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 11/04/2010 15:56:44
Originally by: HeIIfire11 ...im old enough to take care of myself.For the ones who want aggro...good plan,but for the ones who want the isk without risk....FAIL!!
...this coming from a hi-sec mission runner :irony:
(btw, probing down missions takes a lot more skill than any L4 you'll ever do)
I dont need eve to test my skills...I have battlefield or counterstrike to do that...so it depends on what you call fail.In my eyes..a pvp player does nothing more than blob up and the rest is luck and chance.So pvp isnt much more than learning to fit for a mission.Or running the market.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.04.11 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: S'qarpium D'igil
Originally by: HeIIfire11
I dont need eve to test my skills...I have battlefield or counterstrike to do that...
lol now I see why you getting so mad
Im nowhere near mad...as a bf modder i tend to notice the little things and this is one...that should be looked into.All the rest is troll food
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.04.11 16:17:00 -
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1/10
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.04.11 16:27:00 -
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Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 11/04/2010 16:32:20
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Originally by: HeIIfire11 In my eyes..a pvp player does nothing more than blob up and the rest is luck and chance.Edit: and a few good calls from the fleet boss .So pvp isnt much more than learning to fit for a mission.Or running the market.
HeIIfire11's combat record - Ranked #89,262 Lifetime kills 0 Lifetime losses 1
but you know what? you're right. You should get kill rights on them. Then after they warp off and come back in a bigger ship and wipe the floor with you (which they will) you'll realise what a stupid idea it was
you looked up my mission alt to see the kills..lol.But even with this char...try me anytime
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.04.11 18:04:00 -
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For my part im done with this..not much more to say to it.Like I said the rest is troll food and was fun while it lasted.I have yet to see a real reason why ninja salvagers arent flagged red. The "its not mine" thing is bs.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.04.12 06:19:00 -
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Zartrader... "That's their fault and this discussion about what's right and wrong is meaningless and completely misses the point. Players have choices, they have to suffer for the consequences of those choices, that's the core of what EVE is about. They made several errors long before a salvager turned up."
I think your missing the point.Ninja salvagers make choices too..and should have to "suffer for the consequences of those choices".After all.."that's the core of what EVE is about."right?
Nothing else in eve is riskfree..not even mining.so why should they be able to go in someones mission without a risk and salvage?And this is in general discussion because thats exactly what it was intended to be.I dont care what ccp wrote on it..im not asking them to change it..I just wanted other peoples..not trolls..opinion on it.Period.
For the rest of you trolls..I gotta disapoint you.Im not going to comment on your stupidity.For me to do that..it atleast has to be somwhat funny.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.04.12 07:22:00 -
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Originally by: Sith LordX Maybe I should become a ninja salvager just to see if you will try to shoot me, and if you flash red. I'll smile cus I'll warp off and jump into a BS and hope your still in the mission cus then I get a free kill.
Id be surprised if you can even fly a bs..or do anything else other than troll.Incase you can..yes you should try that.I have a nice collection of cheap..insured megathrons.So dont wast your time in the frig and come with the bs..youll get what you want.And so will I.Im not against people coming in missions...it puts some exitement into missioning.Its the ones who avoid aggro that get on my nerves.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.04.12 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ramiera DaMorre
Not that odd if you think about it. Blowing up a wreck potentially destroys the property of the mission runner (loot) while salvaging does not effect it too much. (except for 27k+ m3 loot?) What's odd is the omnipotency of Concord.
Yeah..and the game knows if the wreck is empty..it changes looks.So if it does that..it can change it from "your wreck" to free for all.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.04.13 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Skex Relbore
Which calls lie to this whole nonsense about Ninja-salvaging being meant as a "mini-profession" if it were really meant as a profession mini or otherwise. it would be he wrecks that would be scannable not just player ships.
What amuses me is all the "hard core PvP types" who are just terrified at the prospect of the carebear mission runners having a chance to fight back.
As to wanting the fight? Well mission runners can always come back with a PVP fit too. Or I can just swap module from my Orca for when the "ninja" comes back.
Good point
Originally by: ShadowMaiden [ Originally by: HeIIfire11 Im done with this unless anyone has some real arguments on this subject.
Translation - I have tried to be clever on the forums and gotten badly burned.
No..it means im tired of talking to ignorant people like you..aka trolls
Originally by: Ozone71 Well... CCP says salvage is not owned by the mission runner, and they wrote the rules.. but .. you can repeat that over and over and no one listens .. so .. lets try a different tact.
How about 1) Wrecks were never intended for mission runners.. but they are valuable .. and mission runners want them, so how about ... Each ship kill results in EITHER a can or wreck .. not both. Now the missioners can claim everything 2) Salvaging yellow cans gets aggro.. happy mission runners 4) Cans AND wrecks go blue after 30 minutes (ie: no aggro) - happy salvagers 5) Blue cans and wrecks are probable - very happy salavgers 6) Cans and wrecks pop 30 minutes after going blue (1 hour in total) - normal procedure.
Some good ideas there
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.04.13 19:44:00 -
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See..you say the word "troll" and they all come out
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.04.13 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Mobius Fierce You can defend "your" salvage. You do it with a Salvager Module. Not that complicated.
Legal salvage is a great way to help newbies and the exploration profession. The only thing making it a crime would do is hurt newbies and **** off mission runners who run in to PvP groups who use salvaging frigates as bait to get them into a fight where they'll lose their ship, mission reward and salvage.
I see your point and im all for helping newbies.But..from lvl 4 salvage you get up to 15-25 mill.Thats a lot of help.In most missions the isk is in the salvage.If people get setup then they can still choose,do I shoot or not.Besides that..the ninjas arent newbs in most cases.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.04.14 15:39:00 -
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Skex Relbore...I started to quote out of that book you posted as I realized that its all good stuff
My opinion exactly
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.04.15 15:12:00 -
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Ok..Tippia I was going to rip apart your posts..but im not going to waste my time.My opinion..your a troll..and a pretty good one at that cuz for a sec,you got me.
There are no "free for all wrecks".If they are free for all..why do you get concorded for shoting a wreck I killed?And why can I shoot it and not get concorded?Because its my wreck..like the name on it clearly states.Period.
Skex...I see the situation,and the game exactly like you do.For those who still dont understand read his posts on page 5..they explain it perfectly.
And this is not a MR's whine..I have never been ninja salvaged once..and I mission in all the mission hubs.Like skex said..they dont attack people who can fight back.I got someone into this game..she started runing lvl4 and in the first week..she got ninja salvaged 2-3 times.And in the same systems that I mission in.So its the new players that the griefers are after.
So I log on..got a bookmark from her.The ninja then warps to the station..waits for his counter to go down,and comes back only to salvage the rest in my face.And I cant do a thing about it.All this mission runner wants is aggro..nothing else.Then we will see what a cearbear can do.And even if I lose..or get setup,its my own problem.I choose to attack.
And the only people who disagree..are griefers.They would be the only ones who would lose something if this would change.So all we can do is wait and see if its the griefers ccp wants to support or the rest.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.04.15 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Riedle
Quote: Ok..Tippia I was going to rip apart your posts..but im not going to waste my time.My opinion..your a troll..and a pretty good one at that cuz for a sec,you got me.
Your an idiot. Tippia explained the rules to you clearly and patiently. Your only whine here is that you want less competition. You don't want pvp, you don't like the salvagers taking what you wrongly think, is your salvage. You want to play a single player game. We can't help you as EVE is not a single player game.
Quote: And this is not a MR's whine..I have never been ninja salvaged once..and I mission in all the mission hubs.Like skex said..they dont attack people who can fight back.I got someone into this game..she started runing lvl4 and in the first week..she got ninja salvaged 2-3 times.And in the same systems that I mission in.So its the new players that the griefers are after.
Yes, yes it is a MR's whine. lol You don't want competition and are asking CCP to remove competition for you.
Quote: So I log on..got a bookmark from her.The ninja then warps to the station..waits for his counter to go down,and comes back only to salvage the rest in my face.And I cant do a thing about it.All this mission runner wants is aggro..nothing else.Then we will see what a cearbear can do.And even if I lose..or get setup,its my own problem.I choose to attack.
Why would the ninja have a 'count down' if they were just salvaging? Answer: They wouldn't they were obviously looting too. Your friend could have already shot that ninja and CHOSE not to. Boo hoo.
Quote: And the only people who disagree..are griefers.They would be the only ones who would lose something if this would change.So all we can do is wait and see if its the griefers ccp wants to support or the rest.
Where is it you mission? I will come out of 0.0 and salvage and loot all of your missions for you. I will also have nothing larger than a BC in my hanger. How does that sound?
Can you read?I dont want a sp game..i want aggro.And im in isinoka...anytime.
Originally by: Tippia I'm sure it's for me to aggress them so that their hidden gang of corpmate gankers can come in and blow me up.
I never said that
Im done with this post..have fun trolling it
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