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I SoStoned
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.03.01 07:49:00 -
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Cryptic and Atari released Star Trek Online at the beginning of February to much fanfare.
Three weeks later they're giving 90 days of free subscription time to new players, causing a flaming uproar and a page full of hate filled threadnaughts the likes of which Eve has never seen.
CCP got it right, and still gets it right, despite all of their stumbles and faceplants. They have always picked themselves up and managed to carry forth.
Take a look at STO, and see how to destroy a game before it can even grow.
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Neesa Corrinne
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.03.01 07:54:00 -
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boot.ini
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Endear
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Posted - 2010.03.01 07:55:00 -
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Originally by: Neesa Corrinne boot.ini
*wack* move along now people, nothing to see here..
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.03.01 07:57:00 -
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Lulz at the chumps who bought lifetime subs
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I SoStoned
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.03.01 08:03:00 -
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Originally by: Neesa Corrinne boot.ini
Kapow, right across the kisser! I remember that one, though I never suffered it. Installing in secondary partitions FTW.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2010.03.01 08:13:00 -
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Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 01/03/2010 08:13:36
Quote: stumbles and faceplants
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne boot.ini
i would imagine that would be a pretty epic faceplant, yes
Originally by: Malcanis Lulz at the chumps who bought lifetime subs
seriously, who didn't foresee STO crashing and burning from beta. devs just want to pull what cash they can from the people before the servers collapse, which will probably be very soon _____________________ Horrors! Demons in the deep! |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.03.01 08:14:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
seriously, who didn't foresee STO crashing and burning from beta. devs just want to pull what cash they can from the people before the servers collapse, which will probably be very soon
wait...
soon
or
soonÖ
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2010.03.01 08:21:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton wait...
soon
or
soonÖ
soonÖ technically refers to an unknowable and undefinable future date that may or may not occur; a sort of temporal agnosticism, if you will. Maybe soonÖ will happen. Maybe it won't.
therefore, we can conclude that soon would be more accurate here, as it will happen. in a short timespan. for realsies. _____________________ Horrors! Demons in the deep! |
TheGunslinger42
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Posted - 2010.03.01 09:20:00 -
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I remember having a good laugh at the boot.ini thing. My XP had managed to somehow lose it's boot.ini long before eve nuked it (and it told me so every time I started the computer - but it DID still boot normally, albeit with a quiet little grey message beforehand).
Summary: Delete/lose your boot.ini before EVE does and you'll be fine.
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TheBlueMonkey
Gallente Ministers Of Destruction. Green Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.01 09:22:00 -
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You know that eve has had some uber threadnaughts right?
but then the thought of one starting with, "I was boldly going about my business after paying the sub when I discovered 90days free for new players..." makes me chuckle.
How many variations on the names pickard, kirk and janeway are there anyway?
Sound like a whole lot of dull to me. --
Nothing is worthless, you may have gotten it for free but it still has an inherent value
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.01 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: TheGunslinger42 I remember having a good laugh at the boot.ini thing. My XP had managed to somehow lose it's boot.ini long before eve nuked it (and it told me so every time I started the computer - but it DID still boot normally, albeit with a quiet little grey message beforehand).
Summary: Delete/lose your boot.ini before EVE does and you'll be fine.
Better choice: move to an OS where boot.ini does not exist and where normal processes have no right to even touch the root directory. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Alchemist's Alt
Gallente Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2010.03.01 09:39:00 -
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When did this boot.ini thing happen, im thinking an expansion that only affected 50% of players and not me XD FIRST!! |
RaTTuS
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.03.01 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Neesa Corrinne boot.ini
which affected how many people - very very very few -- | Capital |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar Fetish Nation
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Posted - 2010.03.01 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: RaTTuS
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne boot.ini
which affected how many people - very very very few
Hehe, only the morons that didn't have Vista
Originally by: Xen Gin
Originally by: FOl2TY8
I know that some people like to have voluntary periods of abstinence.
Yeah, I use that excuse too.
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RaTTuS
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.03.01 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Hehe, only the morons that didn't have Vista
even less than that XP users who had the boot partition not on the 1st partition and who downloaded and installed the patch within the 1st hour of it going live.
clusterfudge I agree but nothing really to do with the OP -- | Capital |
Skippermonkey
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Posted - 2010.03.01 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: I SoStoned Take a look at STO, and see how to destroy a game before it can even grow.
Pretty sure you can blame that on Starfleet Dental? Look at me, im using the INTERNETS! |
Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.01 10:13:00 -
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Quite logical why they gave 90 days, because they did a recent survey and it turns out A LOT of people are cancelling after their 30 day free trial runs out. 90 days gives Cryptic more time to finish their half-baked and broken game that hardly had any content at release. ---
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.01 10:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah 90 days gives Cryptic more time to finish their half-baked and broken game that hardly had any content at release.
…which leads back to the heading of the thread: How to ruin a game before it begins. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
PMolkenthin
NibbleTek
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Posted - 2010.03.01 10:29:00 -
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Giving away 90 days of free game time suggests to me that the game is going down. Good, it was **** anyway. EVE has kept me entertained for nearly 5 years, nothing else came close. Except maybe the Grand Theft Auto series.
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Ruddy Rax
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Posted - 2010.03.01 10:31:00 -
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given what star trek was supposed to be like when the concept was first announced and what its turned out to be its a massive fail.
i'm a star trek nut who followed the development from when it was first announced with Perpetual Entertainment designing it. the screen shots they brought out from inside of the star ships with breath taking and the game concept was something totally fresh for a game of its type. then cryptic got hold of it through everything out of the window and from everything I saw built a single player game that just happens to let everybody log into.
and i dont know if they improved the graphics any but the screen shots i saw last year off the away missions the graphics looked about 5 years old.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.01 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah 90 days gives Cryptic more time to finish their half-baked and broken game that hardly had any content at release.
àwhich leads back to the heading of the thread: How to ruin a game before it begins.
What they're ruining themselves with is their stupid asset and patching system that requires them to patch 100-300MB of assets every time they do any kind of update. Since they have these patches every other day, they're killing themselves with bandwidth costs.
But yeah you're right, this game was dead before they even managed to launch it. ---
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Skippermonkey
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Posted - 2010.03.01 10:37:00 -
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Quick, wheel out William Shatner before its too late;
Must....save....franchise...not...too..late Look at me, im using the INTERNETS! |
Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2010.03.01 10:44:00 -
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Edited by: Nova Fox on 01/03/2010 10:47:08 Shatner supports wow though.
they should have done what Global Agenda has done
Free content
then pay for sub content.
Then add those features and dangle that fish in front of them to bite into subbing over time. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 24FEB10
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Stitcher
Caldari ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.01 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox Edited by: Nova Fox on 01/03/2010 10:47:08 Shatner supports wow though.
so STO has Shatner, WoW has Mr. T and Ozzy...
I figure we need somebody like Samuel L. Jackson or Nathan Fillion.
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Skippermonkey
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Posted - 2010.03.01 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
I figure we need somebody like Samuel L. Jackson or Nathan Fillion.
Somewhere along the line Samuel forgot how to act, in Star Wars he made Jar Jar look good. So no.
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Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.03.01 11:05:00 -
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I was hoping this game would do well. But the fact the Goons managed to grief in the game despite no death penalty says it all really.
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Johnny Dexter
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Posted - 2010.03.01 11:06:00 -
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Edited by: Johnny Dexter on 01/03/2010 11:06:20
Originally by: Stitcher so STO has Shatner, WoW has Mr. T and Ozzy... I figure we need somebody like Samuel L. Jackson or Nathan Fillion.
I vote for Morgan Freeman or Sean Connory.
"My name is Schean Connory and I'm a schkowt, whatsch your game?"
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Something Random
Gallente The Barrow Boys
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Posted - 2010.03.01 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
Originally by: Nova Fox Edited by: Nova Fox on 01/03/2010 10:47:08 Shatner supports wow though.
so STO has Shatner, WoW has Mr. T and Ozzy...
I figure we need somebody like Samuel L. Jackson or Nathan Fillion.
Ages ago there was a rumour doing the rounds that Mr Jackson did play EvE.
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2010.03.01 11:22:00 -
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Skippermonkey
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Posted - 2010.03.01 11:23:00 -
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Has to be John Travolta as 'Terl' from Battlefield Earth.(he could pass as a Mimmatar?) http://planetnora.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/battlefield_earth.jpg
Also the film poster looks like there is a frigate blob http://listverse.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/battlefield-earth.jpg
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.01 11:26:00 -
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STO was doomed the instant they decided to neuter it and move it towards single player game.
Why would you ever pay monthly sub to play a single player online?
STO has no real PVP, the only PVP it has is instanced, has no consecuense, and is limited to a set ammount of people. Also one race for PVE, and one for PVP. (Feds and Klingons)
STO set sail for fail right from the start.
Sad really. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Fergus McRae
Gallente New Eden Regimental Navy Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2010.03.01 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis Lulz at the chumps who bought lifetime subs
Indeed... I don't know why anyone would ever buy a lifetime sub before playing the game... of course, the fact that you can only ever buy them BEFORE the game is launched is very telling. Same thing with LoTRO.
The only time games ever offer lifetime subs before launch is when they need capital or they need to show shareholders that there's interest in the game.
Essentially, you can always tell the developers who themselves don't have a lot of faith in their product, just look for the pre-launch lifetime sub offers. --- Fergus McRae
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2010.03.01 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: RaTTuS
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne boot.ini
which affected how many people - very very very few
I didn't have a boot.ini for many months after that.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Spii't Gelekk
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Posted - 2010.03.01 12:16:00 -
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As a life-long trek fan i had high hopes and expectations for STO. Already after seeing the first screenshots i totally gave up all hope for this desperate FAIL attempt. (reading the reviews confirmed this). Being a very rational guy i know that it took EVE years to become what it is now, but STO really seems to lack any prospect like ALL OTHER STAR TREK GAMES.
I think the difference is that the CCP crew in general has a real passion for the game and gaming. I really get the feeling that STO is just setup as a big cash-cash by big studio execs.
(and btw. did you notice the simularities between the STO gui en EVE?)
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.01 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Spii't Gelekk As a life-long trek fan i had high hopes and expectations for STO. Already after seeing the first screenshots i totally gave up all hope for this desperate FAIL attempt. (reading the reviews confirmed this). Being a very rational guy i know that it took EVE years to become what it is now, but STO really seems to lack any prospect like ALL OTHER STAR TREK GAMES.
I think the difference is that the CCP crew in general has a real passion for the game and gaming. I really get the feeling that STO is just setup as a big cash-cash by big studio execs.
(and btw. did you notice the simularities between the STO gui en EVE?)
ST the TV show went good, now they wanna milk the trekkies even more.
ST is based on the alredy set plots and elements form teh ST univers.
EVE has been able to make its own universe, not needing to adapt a game to an already set universe, rather the opposite way.
Most importnely EVE and CCP gets the whole player interaction thing and how importent it is for the continuity of the game. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Neoenderli
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Posted - 2010.03.01 12:56:00 -
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STO failed because they tried to integrate multiple games into one. They wanted a FPS-lite game, they wanted ship combat, etc. etc. However, they took a lot of aspects from Champions-Online (which failed) and tried to integrate them into STO.
Ever since I heard Cryptic studios took over development of STO, my heart dropped. I had been looking forward to STO for a long time. They could have made the game so awesome, but instead made it just another carebear game. Sad really.
Could you imagine playing the dominion and wreaking havoc on Federation outposts, or playing the greed Ferengi?
Cryptic cant, they can only imagine you flying into an instanced area of space by yourself to blow ships up by smashing 1, 2, 2, 2, 4.
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I SoStoned
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.03.01 13:02:00 -
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Shatner voice: Hey, look, it's Star Trek!
Geek voice: YAY!
Eve voice: Looks dated.
Shatner voice: Yes, but it's Star Trek! You know you love it. Buy it.
Geek voice: Got my lifetime sub already!
Eve voice: I want to what? *snorts*
Shatner voice: At least it's not Star Wars Galaxies. No NWO.
Eve voice: Yeah, it still kinda sucks tho.
Geek voice: Oh, I love it, so easy! Hey, I can jigger the autofire so all my guns shoot... all I need to do is fly!
Eve voice: Where's the market?? Where's the crafting?? WHAT THE HELL?? 20 different currencies???[/b]
Irritated Shatner voice: Market's that way *points toward priceline.ugh*
Geek voice: I'm gunna start a Klingon character! Do some Pee-Vee-Pee!
time keeps on slippin slippin slippin into the future!
Shatner voice: SHUT UP!!
Geek voice: Hey, what the heck? No bridge officers for Klingons? I'm an admiral, now what do I do? Where's the high end stuff?? Crap, this sucks!
Eve voice: Hey, come on over. Look, here's 21 days and I'll front you a Rifter. Have a blast.
Geek voice: YAY! *undocks*
Eve voice: FOOL. *podkills*
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar Punic Corp.
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Posted - 2010.03.01 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: TheGunslinger42 I remember having a good laugh at the boot.ini thing. My XP had managed to somehow lose it's boot.ini long before eve nuked it (and it told me so every time I started the computer - but it DID still boot normally, albeit with a quiet little grey message beforehand).
Summary: Delete/lose your boot.ini before EVE does and you'll be fine.
I had the same thing. Eve's Trinity patch deleted the file, but XP would still boot just fine after giving an error message saying that it couldn't find it. ----- 'In Eve, as in real life, if you are bored it's your own fault.' |
Angry Poster
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Posted - 2010.03.01 13:23:00 -
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Edited by: Angry Poster on 01/03/2010 13:26:05 I agree that Cryptic are one of the ****tiest MMO campanies I've ever had the "pleasure" of dealing with.
Not only is their game totally broken (which might be forgiveable for a newly released game) it's also their entire game concept that just sucks. I knew it would suck compared to EVE (like WOW sucks compared to EVE) but this is just a totally new level of "suck". WOW with Klingon skins (or even UO with Klingon skins) would have been a better game then STO. Zero content, you take like 3 days to reach max level, PVP is virtually non-existant and the game it self is so trivially easy that any 5 year old could play it without even doing the tutorial. I can build a macro on my G19 that will basically be able to solo the entire game - that's the kind of "challenge" you can expect.
The only thing I totally can't understand is: how can such a crap company get an IP like Star Trek to mess up? Do the owners of the Star Trek franchise not have any last shred of self-respect left? Or do they not spend any time looking into the track record of the companies they sell the rights to? It doesn't look like it somehow.
I'm personally very happy that STO is flopping the way it is. These kind of moronic companies (like Cryptic) should be forced to have their employees sterilized for the good of evolution. It's the only thing that will help long term (and it won't only help for the quality of future MMOs).
Edit: I'd like to conclude my post by saying:
He's dead Jim. And he deserves it.
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Neesa Corrinne
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.03.01 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Angry Poster I agree that Cryptic are one of the ****tiest MMO campanies I've ever had the "pleasure" of dealing with.
Not only is their game totally broken (which might be forgiveable for a newly released game) it's also their entire game concept that just sucks. I knew it would suck compared to EVE (like WOW sucks compared to EVE) but this is just a totally new level of "suck". WOW with Klingon skins (or even UO with Klingon skins) would have been a better game then STO. Zero content, you take like 3 days to reach max level, PVP is virtually non-existant and the game it self is so trivially easy that any 5 year old could play it without even doing the tutorial. I can build a macro on my G19 that will basically be able to solo the entire game - that's the kind of "challenge" you can expect.
The only thing I totally can't understand is: how can such a crap company get an IP like Star Trek to mess up? Do the owners of the Star Trek franchise not have any last shred of self-respect left? Or do they not spend any time looking into the track record of the companies they sell the rights to? It doesn't look like it somehow.
I'm personally very happy that STO is flopping the way it is. These kind of moronic companies (like Cryptic) should be forced to have their employees sterilized for the good of evolution. It's the only thing that will help long term (and it won't only help for the quality of future MMOs).
Do you really think that the people making these kinds of decisions have ever played an MMO even once? This is why MMO's that are part of existing entertainment franchises are generally terrible. The licenses are owned by people who have zero experience in the industry and just want to turn another buck.
The best games are worlds that are made from scratch by the gaming industry.
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Bodrul
Caldari Polaris Rising Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.01 13:34:00 -
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got five day trial , played for 15min and wanted to shoot my self afterwords. game play sucked.
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Angry Poster
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Posted - 2010.03.01 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Neesa Corrinne Do you really think that the people making these kinds of decisions have ever played an MMO even once? This is why MMO's that are part of existing entertainment franchises are generally terrible. The licenses are owned by people who have zero experience in the industry and just want to turn another buck.
The best games are worlds that are made from scratch by the gaming industry.
You seem to be right but answer be this: you are the owner of a HUGE franchise like Star Trek and it becomes clear that there is room in the MMO-market for a new Star Trek online game. You have two options: either sell it to the first random company that walks in your office (even if the only two MMOs they previously made failed in every way - not last in earning money) or you pay some MMO-geek 50'000 dollars to do some research and give the MMO-company(s) a clear guideline in how to create the game.
I'm sure the holders of the Star Trek franchise could have earned a lot more money if they had invested the time to do that (and in the end earning money is their only goal). That's why I simply don't understand why anyone in their right mind would do such a thing.
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.03.01 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Angry Poster Edited by: Angry Poster on 01/03/2010 13:27:43 I agree that Cryptic are one of the ****tiest MMO campanies I've ever had the "pleasure" of dealing with.
Not only is their game totally broken
I don't think that its "broken" so to speak, I think from the comments I've read its just generally a **** game. Be thankful... be thankful that CCP haven't turned around and said
CCP
Quote: Oh hai guiz! I hurd u wnt phree skill pointz hre u go!
90 days free trial... initially you think WOW! Then within about 2 seconds I had already come to the conclusion there is a catch... the catch is the game isnt worth playing!
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2010.03.01 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Angry Poster The only thing I totally can't understand is: how can such a crap company get an IP like Star Trek to mess up? Do the owners of the Star Trek franchise not have any last shred of self-respect left? Or do they not spend any time looking into the track record of the companies they sell the rights to? It doesn't look like it somehow.
The owners don't give a frell about their IP as long as masses floc to anything startrek related.
Take for example the buttheads Rick Berman and Brannon Braga with their "enterprise" (insert puke smiley). They started off with saying 'guys, we have something no other trek ever had, we have an arc! 'Only to shoot the arc down in the first episode. One of those idiot producers never even saw a trek film/ tv series prior before he was brought onboard the show.
How can you expect any self respect from the owners of the IP? They're just in for the raw money, they don't give a jakk manure about what vomit this or that company produces with their IP as long as it brings them money.
<--Ex trek fan.
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Teijas
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Posted - 2010.03.01 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
Originally by: Nova Fox Edited by: Nova Fox on 01/03/2010 10:47:08 Shatner supports wow though.
so STO has Shatner, WoW has Mr. T and Ozzy...
I figure we need somebody like Samuel L. Jackson or Nathan Fillion.
Bungie has Mr. Fillion tied up right now, I almost positive they'll slip him into Reach.
As for Jackson, that would be a match made in Heaven. "Im tired of these Mutha ****ing Frigs on this Mutha ****ing Carrier!"; Mr. Jackson's response to 200+ Frig fleet.
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Angry Poster
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Posted - 2010.03.01 13:48:00 -
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I'd be interested about the contract that Paramount (or whoever owns the franchise) has with Cryptic. I'd assume that Cryptic had to pay an initial sum of money for the IP and then have to give Paramount 15% (or whatever) of the money they earned with the IP. At least that's how Blizzard does it with World of Warcraft in China.
If this is the case then it makes no sense to allow a crappy company to make a crap game. Paramount could have just as well sold the IP to a proper company (say Blizzard). They still would have made a very "mainstream" MMO (10 mil subscribers anybody?) but they also would have had the technical skills and knowledge of how to create a very simple but fun (= well paying) game.
This way Paramount only got the initial cash for the IP but they'll never get any more money since.. well... Cryptic isn't earning any.
Perhaps I'm totally wrong though... maybe the contract between Paramount and Cryptic is totally different. Anyone know?
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente Revelation Space
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Posted - 2010.03.01 14:00:00 -
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A missing boot.ini doesn't wreck a PC... it just prevents it from booting.
I am sure people in the home Pc support industry were very grateful to CCP for the error though
*T2 tinfoil 4tw* Joking aside, boot.ini was an innocent coding error. Not quit the same league as giving away free game time as per the OP which was a calculated decision. */T2 tinfoil 4tw* Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona and not that of a real life politician. Navigator |
Oscillation Overthruster
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Posted - 2010.03.01 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Teijas
Originally by: Stitcher
Originally by: Nova Fox Edited by: Nova Fox on 01/03/2010 10:47:08 Shatner supports wow though.
so STO has Shatner, WoW has Mr. T and Ozzy...
I figure we need somebody like Samuel L. Jackson or Nathan Fillion.
Bungie has Mr. Fillion tied up right now, I almost positive they'll slip him into Reach.
As for Jackson, that would be a match made in Heaven. "Im tired of these Mutha ****ing Frigs on this Mutha ****ing Carrier!"; Mr. Jackson's response to 200+ Frig fleet.
Nah,
We need Chuck Norris and Jackie Chan. Ass kicking and lolz at the same time.
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2010.03.01 14:22:00 -
[49]
Originally by: I SoStoned Cryptic and Atari released Star Trek Online at the beginning of February to much fanfare.
Three weeks later they're giving 90 days of free subscription time to new players, causing a flaming uproar and a page full of hate filled threadnaughts the likes of which Eve has never seen.
CCP got it right, and still gets it right, despite all of their stumbles and faceplants. They have always picked themselves up and managed to carry forth.
Take a look at STO, and see how to destroy a game before it can even grow.
CCP is pretty quick to pull out rule #17 and lock the thread most times.
I guess that only applies when it makes tham look bad and not when it makes fun of the competition.
Rule 17: All posts must be about or related to Eve Online. Posts about other games or game companies, products or services not related to Eve are not permitted.
Mr Epeen
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Benri Konpaku
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Posted - 2010.03.01 15:56:00 -
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Mods enjoy a fun thread to read once in a while, they will lock it eventually when people starts flaming, but there's no rush.
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Kharamete
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Posted - 2010.03.01 16:05:00 -
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Eve has its problems, sure. The stability of the server since Dominion is a bit annoying sometimes, but you have to take it for what it is - an insanely complex application with tens of thousands of simultaneous operators will have problems now and then. Then there's the whole sov warfare thing still and the lag.
But that's just temporary, and I think most of us know that, and so we mutter in corpchat and on the forums but don't really cancel our accounts. Well, not enough of us to worry. :)
Because Eve is actually a pretty damned good game, despite that. And I, for one, would have a hard time accepting the limitations inherent in other games. I mean, what? You can't behead the asshead in your own faction that's just rubbing you the wrong way? To hell with that. And er, you can't part that shiny from that fool without the GMs getting involved? No way.
Eve has spoiled me. I'd have a hard time playing other MMOs that weren't this free. To be freaking honest.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2010.03.01 16:05:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 01/03/2010 16:05:51 Other threads about Other MMOs are swiftly moved to the little read Out of Pod Experience, and Im sure this thread detailing the failings of a compettitor MMO will be moved just as swiftly
SKUNK (o)
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Zedic
Amarr Universalis Imperium
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Posted - 2010.03.01 16:31:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Malcanis Lulz at the chumps who bought lifetime subs
/agree
Seriously though, a lifetime sub in STO is about as useful as a lifetime sub in Hellgate: London. ******ed.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.03.01 16:34:00 -
[54]
As long as people care enough to make threads everywhere about how it's failing there's hope for STO. It's when people just ignore an MMO that it's in trouble.
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P00P
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Posted - 2010.03.01 16:53:00 -
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Although I have not played, STO, I have played several other main stream games like everquest LOTRO DDO, Wow, etc. Every game I have played I eventually came to a point where I was no longer motivated to play. ôWhatÆs the point?ö I would think. Even in Eve, after a big setback or two, I would lose interest. But hereÆs the thing. I would go back and try again on all these games. I would start a new char or respec an old one, but the same stuff was there. Same quests, same server, same enemies, etc. Sure I quit Eve a few times, but I always come back because there is something new going on all the time. Sure the learning curve in this game is tough. I have been playing since beta and only know a fraction of the game mechanics. But thatÆs what makes it fun IMO.
Main stream MMO's are like building a model from a kit, but Eve is like building with LegoÆs. The fun was in the building. When you got done you rebuilt it or changed the standard setup or you big bro came over and smashed it.. Eve is like that. Always something else to do or a new way to do it. Mainstream MMO's are like a model plane. Play with it till your done, then put it on a shelf....or blow it up with firecrackers
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Kijo Rikki
Caldari Swarm of Angry Bees
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Posted - 2010.03.01 16:58:00 -
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For some reason I thought this was gonna be about JGE. > WHILE SIG<AWESOME DO LOOP there is no escape from my crappy sig. |
Cornaris
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Posted - 2010.03.01 17:03:00 -
[57]
MMO's tend to offer lifetime subs when when they are dieing. (actual dieing, not just like eve)
Considering they were offering lifetime subs before it was even out.........
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bff Jill
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Posted - 2010.03.01 17:15:00 -
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STO was kind of fun to play for a little while, it should have been a singleplayer game with maybe an online pvp matchup service.
I mean, thats basically what it is, so just drop the subscription, cut out all the tedious repetitive "fly around this planet and do 5 things" missions, and it could be kind of fun.
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Mashie Saldana
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.03.01 17:29:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Malcanis Lulz at the chumps who bought lifetime subs
Yep, too bad none of them listened to me half a year ago.
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bff Jill
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Posted - 2010.03.01 17:48:00 -
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I have a lifetime subscription to hellgate london
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2010.03.01 17:52:00 -
[61]
Edited by: Obsidian Hawk on 01/03/2010 17:52:27 I blame bad marketing and the goons.
<3 goons for the following thread naught and videos.
126 page complaint against the Goons aka starfleet dental
Episiode one of Star Trek Goonswarm!
Episode 2, don't trust the goons!
Episode 3, Klangons strike back!
GO GOONS!
wait wtf? i just said that?
go STO goons!
edit page 3 snipa!
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randomname4me
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Posted - 2010.03.01 17:58:00 -
[62]
Originally by: bff Jill I have a lifetime subscription to hellgate london
hows that working out for ya?
Originally by: CCP Navigator Thread has degenerated into nothing but spam.
Locked.
Petition|Successful|Reimbursement|Lag Pick 3 |
bff Jill
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Posted - 2010.03.01 18:04:00 -
[63]
Originally by: randomname4me
Originally by: bff Jill I have a lifetime subscription to hellgate london
hows that working out for ya?
Worth every penny
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Fyretracker Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.01 18:20:00 -
[64]
getting EA as your publisher....
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2010.03.01 18:25:00 -
[65]
Moving to Out of Pod Experience.
Zymurgist Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us |
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Pater Peccavi
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2010.03.01 18:26:00 -
[66]
Originally by: bff Jill
Originally by: randomname4me
Originally by: bff Jill I have a lifetime subscription to hellgate london
hows that working out for ya?
Worth every penny
I'm glad I was one of the colander-headed players. _________
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist You have always had permission to kill anyone in game you see fit to lose a ship!
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Tekutep
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Posted - 2010.03.01 18:29:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Spii't Gelekk but STO really seems to lack any prospect like ALL OTHER STAR TREK GAMES.
I agree. Over the years I've purchased probably 5 or 6 Star Trek based PC games.
Every. Single. One .. has sucked. STO is no exception!
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Mashie Saldana
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.03.01 18:33:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Tekutep Over the years I've purchased probably 5 or 6 Star Trek based PC games.
Every. Single. One .. has sucked. STO is no exception!
Guess some people never learn.
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Ryhss
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.03.01 18:58:00 -
[69]
Originally by: PMolkenthin Giving away 90 days of free game time suggests to me that the game is going down. Good, it was **** anyway. EVE has kept me entertained for nearly 5 years, nothing else came close. Except maybe the Grand Theft Auto series.
Dropping the games price says this as well...... For example, I sae WARHAMMER Online in Walmart for $9.99.
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
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Posted - 2010.03.01 19:10:00 -
[70]
Lol at every single carebear ragequitter who predicted that STO would be the downfall of Eve.
/Ben
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Fyretracker Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.01 19:22:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Ben Derindar Lol at every single carebear ragequitter who predicted that STO would be the downfall of Eve.
/Ben
ROFL people tried to claim a licensed game would kill one with its own IP?
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goodby4u
Valor Inc. Valor Empire
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Posted - 2010.03.01 19:25:00 -
[72]
boot.ini+goonswarm would destroy any game.... Besides eve that is.
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M'ktakh
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Posted - 2010.03.01 19:25:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Tekutep
Originally by: Spii't Gelekk but STO really seems to lack any prospect like ALL OTHER STAR TREK GAMES.
I agree. Over the years I've purchased probably 5 or 6 Star Trek based PC games.
Every. Single. One .. has sucked. STO is no exception!
Bridge Commander? Armada II? Starfleet Command II&III?
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.01 19:31:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
Originally by: Ben Derindar Lol at every single carebear ragequitter who predicted that STO would be the downfall of Eve.
/Ben
ROFL people tried to claim a licensed game would kill one with its own IP?
Well look at the bright side: at least the STO:ers aren't going through the whole tired "woe is me, this is CU/NGE all over again" rigmarole. They're leaning more towards "I wonder if we can beat Hellgate London for quickest death?", and that's always refreshing… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Ryhss
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.03.01 19:44:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Serpents smile
Originally by: Angry Poster The only thing I totally can't understand is: how can such a crap company get an IP like Star Trek to mess up? Do the owners of the Star Trek franchise not have any last shred of self-respect left? Or do they not spend any time looking into the track record of the companies they sell the rights to? It doesn't look like it somehow.
The owners don't give a frell about their IP as long as masses floc to anything startrek related.
Take for example the buttheads Rick Berman and Brannon Braga with their "enterprise" (insert puke smiley). They started off with saying 'guys, we have something no other trek ever had, we have an arc! 'Only to shoot the arc down in the first episode. One of those idiot producers never even saw a trek film/ tv series prior before he was brought onboard the show.
How can you expect any self respect from the owners of the IP? They're just in for the raw money, they don't give a jakk manure about what vomit this or that company produces with their IP as long as it brings them money.
<--Ex trek fan.
Um, Berman and Braga worked with Roddenberry on STG until his death, created DS9 and Voyager(Voyager sucked though). So they saw plenty.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar Fetish Nation
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Posted - 2010.03.01 19:45:00 -
[76]
Someone please link threadnaughts about the 90 day thing.... I'm afraid looking around the STO forums will get me infected with a disease that causes forehead ridges
Originally by: Xen Gin
Originally by: FOl2TY8
I know that some people like to have voluntary periods of abstinence.
Yeah, I use that excuse too.
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Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
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Posted - 2010.03.01 19:45:00 -
[77]
Originally by: M'ktakh
Originally by: Tekutep
Originally by: Spii't Gelekk but STO really seems to lack any prospect like ALL OTHER STAR TREK GAMES.
I agree. Over the years I've purchased probably 5 or 6 Star Trek based PC games.
Every. Single. One .. has sucked. STO is no exception!
Bridge Commander? Armada II? Starfleet Command II&III?
BOTF? You lie Tekutep! ## You got that? Right I'll be back in approximately 300 seconds to retort! ## |
Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.01 19:55:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Someone please link threadnaughts about the 90 day thing.... I'm afraid looking around the STO forums will get me infected with a disease that causes forehead ridges
Enjoy ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.03.01 20:07:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Someone please link threadnaughts about the 90 day thing.... I'm afraid looking around the STO forums will get me infected with a disease that causes forehead ridges
Enjoy
Wrong threadnaught. That one you linked is just the after effect of locking the main 307 page black hole of doom.
Originally by: CCP Shadow Troll thread detected and locked.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.01 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: RaTTuS
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne boot.ini
which affected how many people - very very very few
Hehe, only the morons that didn't have Vista
Actually Vista and XP are inherently bugged with the boot sector, including every version of Vista released. If you install it with multiple boot devices, say 2 hard drives or partitions, it will fail if you remove one.
Morons indeed.
-------------------------------------------------- We lost around 1.5b worth of tower, fuel and modules total. (Pause for amusement)
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.01 20:26:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Someone please link threadnaughts about the 90 day thing.... I'm afraid looking around the STO forums will get me infected with a disease that causes forehead ridges
Enjoy
Wrong threadnaught. That one you linked is just the after effect of locking the main 307 page black hole of doom.
It's actually the same thread – I just added the URL magic that gave it 40 post per page, rather than 10. Because there's no reason to have such short pages. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.03.01 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia It's actually the same thread û I just added the URL magic that gave it 40 post per page, rather than 10. Because there's no reason to have such short pages.
Ahh I see. I'm such a php noob..
Originally by: CCP Shadow Troll thread detected and locked.
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Darth Skorpius
Crystalline INC THE-FEDERATION
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Posted - 2010.03.01 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Fergus McRae
Originally by: Malcanis Lulz at the chumps who bought lifetime subs
Indeed... I don't know why anyone would ever buy a lifetime sub before playing the game... of course, the fact that you can only ever buy them BEFORE the game is launched is very telling. Same thing with LoTRO.
The only time games ever offer lifetime subs before launch is when they need capital or they need to show shareholders that there's interest in the game.
Essentially, you can always tell the developers who themselves don't have a lot of faith in their product, just look for the pre-launch lifetime sub offers.
i have a lifetime sub to lotro, and have done since it launched. personally i think it is an awesome game and it captures the spirit of the lotr ip perfectly. i did however play the game for 2 weeks before comitting the cash to it. it was worth every penny and is the only reason i have been able to keep playing it since the game launched. i wish eve had a lifetime sub option as then i wouldnt have to take breaks when money is tight.
i do agree on the point of buying a lifetime sub without playing the game first, its a pretty stupid move to pay that much for a game you have never played as even the best reviewers cant tell you if you will like the game or not.
however i disagree that lifetime subs show lack of faith in the product, i think it shows the company does have faith because asking a player for $200 for a new game on top of the purchase price takes a lot of balls. sometimes it pays off, as was the case for turbine with lotro, and sometimes it doesnt, as is the case for cryptic with sto. of course, turbine had a much more stable product, not just in terms of server stability, but in terms of the quality of the product overall and the pre-launch free trial for lotro probably help as well ____________________________________________ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG |
Xymor
Minmatar Adeptus Malleus
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Posted - 2010.03.01 21:22:00 -
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I have a theory that CCP secretly hires the goons to destroy new games. Look at the glory of havoc they caused in Warhammer and now STO, I'm sure others as well.
If CCP has done this, Excellent use of the goons and good job. If not... Its something to think about, they are good at it and enjoy it.
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Larg Kellein
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.03.01 21:50:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
Originally by: Ben Derindar Lol at every single carebear ragequitter who predicted that STO would be the downfall of Eve.
/Ben
ROFL people tried to claim a licensed game would kill one with its own IP?
Well look at the bright side: at least the STO:ers aren't going through the whole tired "woe is me, this is CU/NGE all over again" rigmarole. They're leaning more towards "I wonder if we can beat Hellgate London for quickest death?", and that's always refreshingà
Didn't Auto Assault die even faster than Hellgate? God, that game sucked. Was given to me free, but I'd played the beta, so never installed it. Wonder if there are any collectors of boxed copies of defunct MMOs out there.
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.01 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Larg Kellein Didn't Auto Assault die even faster than Hellgate? God, that game sucked. Was given to me free, but I'd played the beta, so never installed it. Wonder if there are any collectors of boxed copies of defunct MMOs out there.
Don't know, but I seem to recall that the news of them shutting down was a complete non-surprise. I gave up on the beta a week or two before launch and didn't follow up on it – with the constant change towards more grind, less content and less balance during the last month or so of development, it was pretty clear where that one was heading… Sad, really, because I liked the setting and the art design. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.01 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Oscillation Overthruster
Originally by: Teijas
Originally by: Stitcher
Originally by: Nova Fox Edited by: Nova Fox on 01/03/2010 10:47:08 Shatner supports wow though.
so STO has Shatner, WoW has Mr. T and Ozzy...
I figure we need somebody like Samuel L. Jackson or Nathan Fillion.
Bungie has Mr. Fillion tied up right now, I almost positive they'll slip him into Reach.
As for Jackson, that would be a match made in Heaven. "Im tired of these Mutha ****ing Frigs on this Mutha ****ing Carrier!"; Mr. Jackson's response to 200+ Frig fleet.
Nah,
We need Chuck Norris and Jackie Chan. Ass kicking and lolz at the same time.
WE NEED BRIAN BLESSED
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Zions Child
Caldari Carthage Industries Consortium.
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Posted - 2010.03.01 22:04:00 -
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To the GOONS, and Starfleet Dental/Nerds of Prey
1. I have never seen such a concerted effort by one party to cause grief and annoyance to others.
2. I LOVE you guys, and everything you are doing to Star Trek: Carebear.
3. It's stuff like this that proves that in order to play EVE, you need to be awesome.
I salute you, Goonswarm, I saulte you. _________________________________________________________________
Wrong! - Cortes YES! I HAD MY SIG EDITED! DEVS FTW!
Also, you just lost the game.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Fyretracker Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.01 22:28:00 -
[89]
Hellgate was honestly a great idea, but they needed several more months of beta and they knew it. honestly if they didnt depend on EA and had come in with more capitol i bet they would have done great had they let the game cook longer. for people that came from Blizzard they should know that quality takes time and it was Quality that helped the SC, WC, and Diablo games sell so well.
low quality always hurts a game, Vanguard for example was buggy and crash prone. and they go and rushed it out to beat a WoW expansion, really bright move there.
CCP being self publishing is great. if an EVE content push takes a bit longer its just fine, there is no EA yelling at them, "patch the memory leaks later, they wont notice".
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Katarlia Simov
Minmatar Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2010.03.01 22:30:00 -
[90]
It's always seemed to me that all the betas i've gotten into have been really quite playable and had a really good atmosphere and playerbase. Then they go live, and it all falls to ****. At least in eve the game is playable when someone is ****ing with you, there isn't just a sudden lack of quest specific monsters...
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Benri Konpaku
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Posted - 2010.03.02 02:54:00 -
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Edited by: Benri Konpaku on 02/03/2010 02:55:47 So, if I found myself actively cheering Goons while watching those videos and reading that thread...
Does that mean I've finally become a "heartless EVE p**ck" like someone told me I would in my early EVE days?
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.03.02 03:01:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u boot.ini+goonswarm would destroy any game.... Besides eve that is.
we just chuckle and shoot back
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Reiisha
Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.02 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Quite logical why they gave 90 days, because they did a recent survey and it turns out A LOT of people are cancelling after their 30 day free trial runs out. 90 days gives Cryptic more time to finish their half-baked and broken game that hardly had any content at release.
They raised it to 90 days so they can pad their stats with more "active accounts". It's a pure marketing move - Cryptic has given upn on actually developing stuff. Champions Online still hasn't gotten any kind of improvement, they even tried to make people pay expansion prices just to add a new zone to the game with little to no content.
"If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
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Culmen
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.03.02 04:01:00 -
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Edited by: Culmen on 02/03/2010 04:03:37 I think I gave the game a fair shot. Got a 5 day free trial, got to Lt Cmdr 4, flew around in an escort called the USS Zealot.
I concluded it was a 4-player co-op game with an online team death match option. Not a MMO.
The game is simply too damm easy, I was melting the faces off klingon rats that were 3 levels above me. Frankly with minimal min-maxing I was putting out so much damage their ship's exploding caused more damage then their weapons.
The only time I got popped was when the mission said "Use stealth" and I used the Sisco Maneuver (IE all power to the weapons and start shooting). And even then i was able to take down more then half of em. And there was no death penalty so i just cruised pass them after respawning.
Team Deathmatch is exciting in the same way team fortress 2 is exciting, which brings me to the conclusion. The easy difficulty has resulted in a moronic player base.
I seemed to be the only one to realise that dieing, respawning and flying back to battle generally arent conducive to damage out put. Thus I was consistantly at the top of eighter damage or points or both. And this was in matches with several players 10 levels above me.
Also as a result, i seemed to be the only one to conclude that "Evasive Manuevers" means "engage nano and run". I lost count of the number of times I survived getting primaried only to come back in my Dual Cannon's optimal fire arc.
So yeah, STO is probably not going to last long... but i don't see Eve picking up many refugees. Those morons wouldn't last through their first level 1 mission.
Though i have to admit, their missions are alot more varied and better designed, eve could pick up a pointer or two. A text box with a dialogue tree is more immersive then occasional off color text in local. and I like their arc missions, especially the miral paris arc, good story telling for an MMO. and further more why do i even need a sig? |
bff Jill
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Posted - 2010.03.02 06:22:00 -
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your kidding about that last part, right?
While some of the story missions are interesting, 90% of what you do in that game involves flying in a circle around a planet and scanning/shooting/repairing 5 'things'.
i wanted to enjoy that game. I liked the fact that ships could sort of handle all situations (in their own way) and were not so hyper specialized like eve. But on top of all the problems it currently has, it was actually better in beta, so they've ADDED problems!
The whole thing is a mess.
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Watyu
Minmatar Dark Nebula Academy O X I D E
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Posted - 2010.03.02 15:40:00 -
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Or not check your main competitions forums and realize that a player group known for mass griefing that was founded on the principle of ruining the game for everyone else is rerollig to your game, and making you look stupid by showing up stupid design choices.
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Zedic
Amarr Universalis Imperium
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Posted - 2010.03.02 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: bff Jill I have a lifetime subscription to hellgate london
I bought the collectors edition. I'm slightly sadistic I guess. I also have a fetish for collectors editions... >_<
Originally by: Akita T "It's not that power corrupts... it's that the corrupt seek power."
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar Punic Corp.
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Posted - 2010.03.02 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Edited by: Obsidian Hawk on 01/03/2010 17:52:27 I blame bad marketing and the goons.
<3 goons for the following thread naught and videos.
126 page complaint against the Goons aka starfleet dental
Thank you for reminding me of why I love the Goons. ----- 'In Eve, as in real life, if you are bored it's your own fault.' |
Brechan Skene
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Edited by: Brechan Skene on 03/03/2010 01:59:03
Originally by: Angry Poster Edited by: Angry Poster on 01/03/2010 13:27:43 I agree that Cryptic are one of the ****tiest MMO campanies I've ever had the "pleasure" of dealing with.
The problem is not with the company but with whom they are giving the power to make decisions within that company. The company are full of executives that have had previous experiences in related fields but completely lack the skills and understanding of the MMO Industry as a whole. It may be considered part of the entertainment based industry but the market reacts differently in comparison to other markets within the entertainment field.
Originally by: Angry Poster Edited by: Angry Poster on 01/03/2010 13:27:43 The only thing I totally can't understand is: how can such a crap company get an IP like Star Trek to mess up? Do the owners of the Star Trek franchise not have any last shred of self-respect left? Or do they not spend any time looking into the track record of the companies they sell the rights to? It doesn't look like it somehow.
The reason that they got the contract is probably because they were the highest bidder after the previous company was for whatever reason was deemed inadequate to complete the job.
Originally by: Angry Poster Edited by: Angry Poster on 01/03/2010 13:27:43 I'm personally very happy that STO is flopping the way it is. These kind of moronic companies (like Cryptic) should be forced to have their employees sterilized for the good of evolution. It's the only thing that will help long term (and it won't only help for the quality of future MMOs).
Overall, the main problem is this, World of Warcraft is so dominate that your average executive cannot ignore it and will always try and copy its basic components and key elements in the hope of getting the success that has occurred with WOW. The fact is WOW is the measuring stick for which all other MMOs are judged. This is important especially when your company is at the mercy of your basic variety Joe and Jane Shareholder who has no idea about the business and only wants cash and wants it now. The reason that they even attempt to copy this game despite the numerous failings is that within the Entertainment industry copying of other peoples ideas and slightly changing them to avoid copy right laws has been the basis for success for decades. You only have to look at the TV industry to get examples, I Dream of Jeannie is adapted copy of Bewitched. This post also helps in the understanding of the time line of the two shows. Even recently we have shows being copied, but they are being a little bit more clever and they are creating franchises of the series, shows like Law and Order, CSI and NCIS now come in various variations but the basic of the show still remain the same.
You have this situation within the food industry as well with McDonald and their various clones like Wendy's and Hungry Jacks. Have a look at their standard burger meals they all pretty much follow a standard routine.
We can also compare two of the biggest selling books for teenagers within the last decade. Harry Potter (Wizards) and Twilight (Vampires and Were Wolves) are pretty much this equation, add a fantasy scenario to Beverly Hills 90210 soap opera style crap and you have a winning book series.
The problem is, will the demise of STO help the quality of future MMOs. I doubt it, as the basis for all future MMOs when deciding on what will be in the game and how the game will be played will be dependent upon people whom quite frankly are stuck in the idea that copying and adapting the most successful games at this time will eventually lead to success. With every failure they will continue to believe that they choose the wrong components of the successful game.
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Kile Kitmoore
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Anyone who bought this game or god help them, lifetime, wasn't watching Champions before they made their decision deserves getting "surprise sex". Hell, forget Champions just look at what they did to COH with ED changes in I6. Not arguing whether that change was good or bad but they fundamentally changed the entire game and really didn't care if people were upset. People, MMO publishers have track records, follow them before making your decisions. To think, Cryptic has another MMO in the making! Just blindly buying this next product would be the equivalent of SOE selling a new Star Wars MMO and you bought a lifetime sub.
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Dimitryy
Gallente Ever Flow Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.03 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox Fan Adverts! "Somewhere out there... Is a dangerous place. Where only the bravest, strongest, and the most cunning survive amongst the stars. It punishes the weak, kills the stupid, and torments the careless. Those with the will shall pave way for its future. Those with vision may be rewarded. Those with the power will eventually falter. The fates they choose is thier own, Not a destiney sown by others. This place is New Eden. Welcome to Eve Online. The universe is yours."
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Zions Child
Caldari Carthage Industries Consortium.
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Posted - 2010.03.03 04:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kile Kitmoore Anyone who bought this game or god help them, lifetime, wasn't watching Champions before they made their decision deserves getting "surprise sex". Hell, forget Champions just look at what they did to COH with ED changes in I6. Not arguing whether that change was good or bad but they fundamentally changed the entire game and really didn't care if people were upset. People, MMO publishers have track records, follow them before making your decisions. To think, Cryptic has another MMO in the making! Just blindly buying this next product would be the equivalent of SOE selling a new Star Wars MMO and you bought a lifetime sub.
I wonder if there has ever been anything as bad as the New Game Enhancements since those were implemented... If only SOE had listened to the RIOTING players, then perhaps I'd have two MMO's to play instead of just one.... _________________________________________________________________ You just lost the game, my friend... Wrong! - Cortes
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar Punic Corp.
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Posted - 2010.03.03 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Zions Child then perhaps I'd have two MMO's to play instead of just one....
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