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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.05 07:59:00 -
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Awkward Pi Duolus wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Aemonchichi wrote:Aemonchichi wrote:ccp sreegs can u explain why ccp in this situation decided not to punish the exploiters ? my question is still standing , CCP said in the dev blog it was a exploit and phuuleeeeze refrain from answering questions not asked in your direction goons and affiliates 8) it is clear that under this circumstances your opinions are biased the point was well judged that it was an exploit, ccp decides so and takes actions that make sense like revoking all ill gotten gains, but no punishment ? for a exploit ? i wanna hear from ccp sreegs why this absolutley inconclusive action was taken ( no to mention a snitch plex award, lol , as if someone could snitch himself) all this looks a bit awkwardly constructed and not logically acted from step to step , the motivations from ccp are in question here Read the thread and dev blog and you'll find that your question has already been answered. Sorry you didn't like the answer. Don't bother - the hatred induced blindness is too strong in this one.
I find that the best way to infuriate someone blind with impotent rage is to talk to them calmly and be right when they're not.
And poking at a raging steer is just good clean fun. -RubyPorto
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Belonger
Free Borg Syndicate Mostly AFK
0
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Posted - 2012.07.05 13:51:00 -
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Belonger wrote:if that graph is CORRECT there were more then 1 B LP per day produced. Thoose 5 ppl claim they earn only 5 Trilions on it so where is the rest of the lp/iskies?
From the graph it looks like 5 trilions per day not in 2 weeks.
SO i have a question did u catched other ppl usign that exploit? or did the CCP decide they are on marigin bcs they got less then soem amount of isks from it?
To unwise ppl who cant read we 5 trilions in isks were like 1b lp with T5 and that time market prices on simple implants. There wre also better way to sell lp
I supposed that graph is linear -> considering how much lp made in one corp i have an alt in there were created more lp even if i will count that LP made that day was done only by one corporation ( with my alt inside).
And we have not 12 ppl in militia but like 500 minimum.
Still i want to get CCP answer about it. |
Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2012.07.05 15:17:00 -
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CCP Sreegs, Best Sreegs. CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
Dalketh
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.05 18:59:00 -
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Helena Russell Makanen wrote:
So goons take advantage of an exploit, profit from it, then their accounts are left in good standing and even plex awarded, because they at some point sent that information to ccp.
I may be wrong, but didn't you ban the guy (non-goon) who did the same thing when he exposed an exploit with the first opening of these new forums - where no one paid attention to his warnings until he exploited it as proof? I can't remember if it was a lifetime ban, but I know he was banned, and without making a cent.
How is this case so very different?
Well said. I remember this also. I looked it up and according to the MAssively site:
"At least one player who reported the exploit was banned for subsequently abusing the exploit in an effort to force CCP to take action."
How is this any different Sreegs? Seems the same to me except he wasn't a goon, and he was punished not rewarded.
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.05 21:42:00 -
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Dalketh wrote:Helena Russell Makanen wrote:
So goons take advantage of an exploit, profit from it, then their accounts are left in good standing and even plex awarded, because they at some point sent that information to ccp.
I may be wrong, but didn't you ban the guy (non-goon) who did the same thing when he exposed an exploit with the first opening of these new forums - where no one paid attention to his warnings until he exploited it as proof? I can't remember if it was a lifetime ban, but I know he was banned, and without making a cent.
How is this case so very different?
Well said. I remember this also. I looked it up and according to the MAssively site: "At least one player who reported the exploit was banned for subsequently abusing the exploit in an effort to force CCP to take action." How is this any different Sreegs? Seems the same to me except he wasn't a goon, and he was punished not rewarded.
Because Massively is the New York Times of gaming related investigative reporting. -RubyPorto
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Aemonchichi
Limited Access Guardian Society
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Posted - 2012.07.06 10:08:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Read the thread and dev blog and you'll find that your question has already been answered. Sorry you didn't like the answer.
dear troll i have read all the devblog and all ccp posts in this thread and no answer was give to my question at all
my question still stands: why were the exploiters not punished?
the only 2 arguments sreegs/ccp wise on this is :
1. because they snitched themselves at a point were we already saw that there was an exploit happening and we were investigating (thats not the wording but the meaning) - does this sound strange to anyone but me ?
2. because we felt this is best for the game - best ? wtf is best for the game here ? to show players can exploit and if the see posts from ccp that they are aware of something going on they go make a post and sack a bunch o plexes ? no sreegs this is in no way good for the game
both of these are not sufficient answers at all, if these are all ccp sreegs wants to give - hell yeah lets exploit the **** out of this game lol ? maybe eve has really reached a point where ccp doesnt give a **** about it anymore 8( |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.06 10:36:00 -
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Aemonchichi wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Read the thread and dev blog and you'll find that your question has already been answered. Sorry you didn't like the answer. dear troll i have read all the devblog and all ccp posts in this thread and no answer was give to my question at all my question still stands: why were the exploiters not punished? the only 2 arguments sreegs/ccp wise on this is : 1. because they snitched themselves at a point were we already saw that there was an exploit happening and we were investigating (thats not the wording but the meaning) - does this sound strange to anyone but me ? 2. because we felt this is best for the game - best ? wtf is best for the game here ? to show players can exploit and if the see posts from ccp that they are aware of something going on they go make a post and sack a bunch o plexes ? no sreegs this is in no way good for the game both of these are not sufficient answers at all, if these are all ccp sreegs wants to give - hell yeah lets exploit the **** out of this game lol ? maybe eve has really reached a point where ccp doesnt give a **** about it anymore 8(
Since you still haven't been able to read the devblog,
Quote:Because the players made efforts to inform us about the issue their accounts will remain in good standing. http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=72972
There you go.
Sorry you don't like the answer. -RubyPorto
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Aemonchichi
Limited Access Guardian Society
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Posted - 2012.07.06 13:07:00 -
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it still is no answer, the players made their post after ccp said in the news that something fishy is going on and they investigate
ccp clearly states that is was an exploit, and sreegs states that they already knew there was someone manipulating LPs way out of scale
so saying they remain in good standing should read they remain in awesome standing cause they get a bunch of plexes on top of no punishment
and sreegs, as a former goon member, communicating all this to the community, is not a wise choice made by ccp even if u grant him that he above acting biased
no wonder this smells fishy and i still would like an explanation above the one litte sentence from the dev blog
sandbox does not mean: no rules, hack, bot and exploit as u like and for a game i invest a lot of time and effort into i would like to see CCP more dedicated to the enforcement of their own rules |
Challu
Wishful Desires Inc. Armada Assail
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Posted - 2012.07.07 01:45:00 -
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Wow you're aweful.
Aemonchichi wrote:it still is no answer, the players made their post after ccp said in the news that something fishy is going on and they investigate
Please read up before you go on a whine-spree. You got the sequence of events the wrong way around. The one duder reported the exploit with all its execution details to CCP.
Aemonchichi wrote:ccp clearly states that is was an exploit, and sreegs states that they already knew there was someone manipulating LPs way out of scale
so saying they remain in good standing should read they remain in awesome standing cause they get a bunch of plexes on top of no punishment
Not "they", the one reporting dude got plexes because he reported the details of the exploit to CCP. Sure, you can disagree with the ruling, but you just have to ... wait for it ... read the damn blog to understand why what was done =P
Aemonchichi wrote:and sreegs, as a former goon member, communicating all this to the community, is not a wise choice made by ccp even if u grant him that he above acting biased
And this is where it goes from whiney to having a case of The Dumb. Sreegs is CCP's cop. He deals with this kinda stuff. In some ways, it would be inappropriate for anyone other than Sreegs to report on this. For someone who values form over substance, I can see how this may not seem sensical to you though.
Aemonchichi wrote:no wonder this smells fishy and i still would like an explanation above the one litte sentence from the dev blog
Read it again. You may not like the answer, but it's there.
Aemonchichi wrote:sandbox does not mean: no rules, hack, bot and exploit as u like and for a game i invest a lot of time and effort into i would like to see CCP more dedicated to the enforcement of their own rules
Nice to see that you're ending with a red herring. Complements the spirit of the rest of the post. |
Aemonchichi
Limited Access Guardian Society
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Posted - 2012.07.07 15:03:00 -
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another fanboi repeating other posters mindless gibberish 8) dude best keep it to yourself
but as the question is not answered in the devblog, no matter how often ppl yell its there 8) not it isnt - seems u should read it yourself again and slow this time trying to understand it
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Udonor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.09 18:29:00 -
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Can't really help thinking that this should NOT have been labelled an exploit. No rules were broken and no code or software design flaws existed. Inputs were required.
In fact CCP has endorsed market manipulation since the beginning in the form of encouraging traders to try to "corner the market". Thus the penalty seems to be for being too successful. Which would be fine if CCP wanted to define the maximum percentage of profit per transaction or directly related transactions. (Directly related might be a wee bit hard to define except by the rule of repetition and pattern.)
Perhaps excessively embarassing your gaming host's over short sighted game design would have been more correct.
I suppose CCP could define some sort of rule dealing with the ethics of cooperating players on both sides of a transaction/interaction which was intended to be hostile. But then CCP would be burdened with defining or at least clarifying which transactions were intended to be hostile and which allowed to be cooperative. I suppose all market transacations could be classified as hostile and maybe private contracts are cooperative...but what about general public contracts. What about when you accidentally buy your own order off market though oversight? |
Nikolai Dostoyevski
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.10 00:32:00 -
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Good call CCP! Glad to see that abusive behavior is not rewarded! |
Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.07.11 11:22:00 -
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FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! Louis's epic skill guide v1.1 |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.11 11:32:00 -
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Gotta give those Defender missiles their 1% boost. -RubyPorto
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Alx Warlord
SUPERNOVA SOCIETY Tribal Conclave
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Posted - 2012.07.12 20:08:00 -
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15 days without a new dev blog! |
Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.14 15:25:00 -
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What did CCP Soundwave mean in the TenTonHammer interview when, pertaining to LP for PVP, he quipped, "I kind of hope this goes terribly wrong?"
Any comments from players or CCP on this?
It's interesting to note that the TenTonHammer guy says, "You don't hear many game designers say that."
Boy howdy, you don't! |
Alx Warlord
SUPERNOVA SOCIETY Tribal Conclave
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Posted - 2012.07.15 19:20:00 -
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18 days without a new dev blog! |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.15 19:48:00 -
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Alx Warlord wrote:18 days without a new dev blog!
1. Summer Vacation
2. There is a Dev Blog on this subject. In fact, this thread is discussing it. -RubyPorto
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Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.17 20:45:00 -
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Disregard That wrote:What did CCP Soundwave mean in the TenTonHammer interview when, pertaining to LP for PVP, he quipped, "I kind of hope this goes terribly wrong?" TenTonHammer InterviewAny comments from players or CCP on this? The relevant comment is at 7m 58s. It's interesting to note that the TenTonHammer guy says, "You don't hear many game designers say that." Boy howdy, you don't! Totally not empty quoting. I'm still waiting for a response from CCP.
What is the "correct interpretation" of CCP Soundwave's provocative statement?
It sure looks mighty conspicuous given the tone of CCP Sreeg's scathing assessment of the LP for Pew Pew FOREX scheme.
I thought we hoped this went terribly wrong? That's the cue I took from the game's lead designer.
I'm genuinely looking for some guidance on this here, because it doesn't seem very intuitive to me at all.
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We also get this gem from CCP Greyscale:
CCP Greyscale wrote:...we're generally OK with people abusing some of the loopholes in the design and/or UI presentation to use such systems for unintended purposes...
How were the players involved in this scheme supposed to resolve CCP Soundwave's above-referenced comment and an overall-pervasive message as summed up above by CCP Greyscale, with the supposed expectation that they would police themselves regarding a feature that was functioning exactly as predicted by its stated intent and design parameters and happened to be making them a flat-out fortune?
I fail to see how, given the above quotes, any player could be expected to judge the scheme discussed in this thread as exploitative in any way.
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Mezoforta
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.07.18 03:08:00 -
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I completly support Disregard That I to watched the video and seen and heard ccp soundave say that he designs for results but he hopes it fails terribly and from what a normal person with any IQ can see he would be talking about the LP from faction warfare. Its pretty weird that even ten ton hammer said wow i have never heard a game designer say that and neither have i. Yes he is one of the faces of CCP and im sure CCP wouldnt like to have their lead game designers be made to look like a fool, but he did it to himself by saying what he did. If CCP really cares about its customers like they have said then maybe he should do another interview with ten ton and retort what he said. Being as that is what they would want any other person who plays the game that was in a seat of power oh say mittens. But yes in short i support Disregard That 100% |
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Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.22 19:26:00 -
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I hear a disconnect between designers and actual implimentation, "I hope this goes terribly wrong" sounds like someone who fought over how this was going to work and lost Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Ships to goo calc - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=107898 |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
792
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Posted - 2012.07.23 00:36:00 -
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I've always found it fascinating how anonymous internet forum posters always demand the most extreme punishments for misdeeds. Even though the fruits of these goons' labour will be undone and everything returned to near normality*, anonymous internet forum posters demand permanent bans. Losing trillions of ISK isn't enough, they must be barred from playing the game they obviously love to play.
Equally interesting how the vindictiveness of anonymous internet forum posters is always amplified when its directed at member's of my alliance. I'm willing to bet that the same people calling for Aryth's and co. banning would be asking for leniency if the person's in question were from a competing alliance. Eve's meta-game always extends disturbingly far into real life ("I don't like you so I hope you're barred from the game forever!").
* This won't be the case. Its almost a certainty that these goons will end up losing considerable legitimate assets due to am incomplete investigation as has happened in every similar case. Not saying Screegs and his team are incompetent, they most certainly aren't, but Eve is a very complicated game and there's only so many man hours you can devote to a problem. You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
Pipa Porto
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Posted - 2012.07.23 01:24:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:"I don't like you so I hope you're barred from the game forever!").
Is there a better way to get rid of your competitors? EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
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