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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3475
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:06:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote: as I said it's one tool in the box. How well do you thing the "Burning of Jita" would have went with wardeccs from a dozen corps against goon... I didn't see martek alts sitting in stations blowing up ships.
It would have went precisely as it did, we had plenty of wardecs and to cover them had a drakefleet murderizing wardecs. Nobody in highsec can come close to standing up to an actual goon fleet, the only things that were remotely annoying were fleets from other 0.0 alliances (who had us wardecced). |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
238
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:07:00 -
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dontbanmebro wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:let me introduce you to another radical concept called recon scout - and market alt identification. hahaha why do you insist on posting about subjects you clearly know nothing about? do you think you're going to trick people who actually do understand the topic? so ridiculous
are you stupid? or are you just trying to intimidate.. intel is what I do. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3475
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:07:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote: are you stupid? or are you just trying to intimidate.. intel is what I do.
Then you don't do it well, at all. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
238
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:08:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote: as I said it's one tool in the box. How well do you thing the "Burning of Jita" would have went with wardeccs from a dozen corps against goon... I didn't see martek alts sitting in stations blowing up ships.
It would have went precisely as it did,.
we disagree wildly on that point. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
dontbanmebro
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:08:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:as I said it's one tool in the box. How well do you thing the "Burning of Jita" would have went with wardeccs from a dozen corps against goon... I didn't see market alts sitting in stations blowing up ships.
There were...that's why goons had an entire combat fleet dedicated to securing the system for the gank fleets.
Again, opining on subjects you know nothing about.
If there's something you don't know or understand, then ask. Don't just make stuff up because people are just going to call you on it every time. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
238
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:08:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote: are you stupid? or are you just trying to intimidate.. intel is what I do.
Then you don't do it well, at all.
really? [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3475
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:09:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote: we disagree wildly on that point.
sure, but that's because I'm the only one who looked at the facts
you may want to consider employing that tactic in your intel gathering job |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
238
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:10:00 -
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dontbanmebro wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:as I said it's one tool in the box. How well do you thing the "Burning of Jita" would have went with wardeccs from a dozen corps against goon... I didn't see market alts sitting in stations blowing up ships. There were...that's why goons had an entire combat fleet dedicated to securing the system for the gank fleets. Again, opining on subjects you know nothing about. If there's something you don't know or understand, then ask. Don't just make stuff up because people are just going to call you on it every time.
if they had been wardecced under the current system things might have been very different .. while I will admit there are things I don't understand.. most of them have nothing to do with eve. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3475
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:10:00 -
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the anti-wardec fleet was lead by dbrb and was a drakefleet and murderized everything, the only wardec fleet that was a pain in the ass was an AAA fleet who showed up in good fits and was organized and could do something besides die horribly (until they got caught on the wrong side of the gate, and then vily murderized a few freighters since they couldn't jump into the fleet) |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
238
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:12:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote: we disagree wildly on that point.
sure, but that's because I'm the only one who looked at the facts you may want to consider employing that tactic in your intel gathering job
you are a funny man. but really what facts .. the few things you've spouted religiously here.? I have better access than you think. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
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dontbanmebro
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:13:00 -
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A full nullsec combat fleet will roll any number of random hisec players.
Again demonstrating you have no clue how mass combat works in Eve, yet for some reason opining on it.
You seriously need to walk away from the comp right now. This is getting ridiculous. |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
541
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:13:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:Weaselior wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote: we disagree wildly on that point.
sure, but that's because I'm the only one who looked at the facts you may want to consider employing that tactic in your intel gathering job you are a funny man. but really what facts .. the few things you've spouted religiously here.? I have better access than you think.
You are literally too dumb to breathe. Eve Online: A Bad Game. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1258
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:14:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Also if you start thinking "well what about jump freighters!!": that's easy, you just use npc haulers to the lowsec midpoint and then trade over there. if you want to actually hurt null logistics, ban npc corps I don't know where they got the idea that wardecs did anything |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
238
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:14:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:the anti-wardec fleet was lead by dbrb and was a drakefleet and murderized everything, the only wardec fleet that was a pain in the ass was an AAA fleet who showed up in good fits and was organized and could do something besides die horribly (until they got caught on the wrong side of the gate, and then vily murderized a few freighters since they couldn't jump into the fleet)
that's true but what if allys had been able to jump on the wardec for cheap?
[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
238
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:17:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote: You are literally too dumb to breathe.
of the two of us you are the one who look more like a zombie. "brainsss...." [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1347
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:17:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:dontbanmebro wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:as I said it's one tool in the box. How well do you thing the "Burning of Jita" would have went with wardeccs from a dozen corps against goon... I didn't see market alts sitting in stations blowing up ships. There were...that's why goons had an entire combat fleet dedicated to securing the system for the gank fleets. Again, opining on subjects you know nothing about. If there's something you don't know or understand, then ask. Don't just make stuff up because people are just going to call you on it every time. if they had been wardecced under the current system things might have been very different .. while I will admit there are things I don't understand.. most of them have nothing to do with eve. How does the cost the wardeccer pays affect the fleet performance?
All of the largest highsec entities wardecced Goons in tandem for that weekend and worked together in a "save jita" campaign that was widely publicized. They didn't make a dent. How do you think a couple of 5man alt corps would have helped?
You need to write something more convincing than "no u are the dummy!!" - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
544
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:18:00 -
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There should be a minimum age for playing this game, jesus christ. Eve Online: A Bad Game. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3479
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:19:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:Weaselior wrote:the anti-wardec fleet was lead by dbrb and was a drakefleet and murderized everything, the only wardec fleet that was a pain in the ass was an AAA fleet who showed up in good fits and was organized and could do something besides die horribly (until they got caught on the wrong side of the gate, and then vily murderized a few freighters since they couldn't jump into the fleet) that's true but what if allys had been able to jump on the wardec for cheap? more worthless unorganized nobodies who would have been slaughtered by the drakefleet because they had no organization at all |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
515
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:24:00 -
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No more Jade Constantine tinfoil hat responses? Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
46
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:24:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:Weaselior wrote:the anti-wardec fleet was lead by dbrb and was a drakefleet and murderized everything, the only wardec fleet that was a pain in the ass was an AAA fleet who showed up in good fits and was organized and could do something besides die horribly (until they got caught on the wrong side of the gate, and then vily murderized a few freighters since they couldn't jump into the fleet) that's true but what if allys had been able to jump on the wardec for cheap? more worthless unorganized nobodies who would have been slaughtered by the drakefleet because they had no organization at all
I'd like to add we enjoyed slaughtering your shitfit fleets, DBRB pretending to be the Jita god was hilarious too. |
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Freezehunter
134
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:24:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:There should be a minimum age for playing this game, jesus christ.
Yeah, 16, that's when I started.
I am now 22 and still playing Eve. Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom. |
Freezehunter
134
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:25:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:No more Jade Constantine tinfoil hat responses?
Must be out of tinfoil, went out to buy more. Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom. |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
546
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:26:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:No more Jade Constantine tinfoil hat responses?
Weaselior wrote:He's denied it repeatedly before, but keeps forgetting about the webarchive link. Once that comes out he stops denying it for a while and getting all quiet-like but in about a month he'll start denying it again. Eve Online: A Bad Game. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1075
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:26:00 -
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CCP, please do not cave in to Goons on Inferno 1.1.
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Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
516
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:28:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:No more Jade Constantine tinfoil hat responses? Weaselior wrote:He's denied it repeatedly before, but keeps forgetting about the webarchive link. Once that comes out he stops denying it for a while and getting all quiet-like but in about a month he'll start denying it again.
Ah, that would explain it. He cried wolf too loudly so now he has gone to hide in his digital ***** house chat channel and have his wounds licked by his sycophantic, hat wearing fanboi's.
Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2087
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:30:00 -
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Quote:But this isn't going to lead to a renaissance in merc profession with people paying X to professional mercs to join as a defensive ally. That won't come unless CCP deliver a wardec system that comes with teeth to gain a victory over an aggressor that produces an actual payout.
... which is pretty much exactly what I said. I'm glad we agree.
These changes are a good first step, but there still needs to be iteration. As has been already pointed out there will be more tools inbound for tracking the record of and hiring of merc corps. These are necessary, as well as "victory conditions" as I (and then subsequently you) have already pointed out... but you have to start somewhere.
Empowering the "privateers" of the EVE universe is not it... although the foolish will undoubtedly hire free rubish to fight for them.
A culture needs to develop in the merc market where "you get what you pay for", but that isn't going to happen overnight. The groundwork needs to be laid first and be in effect for a while to become established.
Personally I wish they would have held off just a bit longer to get the other necessary bits in place first (victory conditions, merc dashboard/tracking), but I understand the desire to take it one step at a time.
However, there is little doubt that leaving things as they were was self defeating... it did nothing to encourage wise decisions on who to ally, quite the opposite actually. So these revisions are necessary.
I understand that it steals a bit of your thunder, your move was actually very well executed under the original set of revisions (it was the smartest thing you could have done, all things considered). But it also served to very clearly point out to CCP that the EVE player base was indeed smart enough to take advantage and twist the system to suit their own needs, and that it would be necessary to take at least some of the additional steps they had already been considering. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
516
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:32:00 -
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Or maybe he has gone off to write another self aggrandising, tinfoil wrapped article for JadeThrowsAnotherTantrumNews24. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
dontbanmebro
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:35:00 -
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The ultimate point is that CCP is trying to do something for HISEC PLAYERS. It will take time, effort, and some trial and error.
Sticking your finger in their eye every time they try to tweak the system because of some inane tinfoil conspiracy and unnecessary concern over a non-existent impact on a particular nullsec alliance is the height of self-indulgent and negligent stupidity.
Harming hisec players to try to get at goonswarm, especially with something that actually in no way affects goonswarm, is beyond farce. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1076
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:40:00 -
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CCP please do not cave in to goons on Inferno 1.1 however we would like you to fix the game but not if what the goons are calling for is the actual fix
love
your playerbase |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1081
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:47:00 -
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seriously it's very honestly a kneejerk reaction now. "oh dear goons are calling for x, we must call for y!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
if you guys stop being ******* idiots and actually think for a moment, you'll realise that we're right HEH |
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