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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2350
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Posted - 2012.06.18 20:55:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Most notably - nobody from a hisec wardec corp has posted on your side of the argument. Alekseyev Karrde wrote:The "merc tailored" option Soundwave referenced that I pushed for was a cap on allies (2-3 would have been nice) but you would not have any cost for taking them. If you wanted to hire a merc, you could at whatever price you negotiated. If you wanted to bring friends in, you could do it for free. If you wanted to accept free help from strangers (or strangers that buy in to your war dec) you could do that too, or any combination of the three. I feel this would have restored the merc market (the real one, not the Inferno mechanic) close to where it was before Inferno while not further unleveling the playing field between the big guys and the little guys. Noirdot are well-known CFC members of course
Well leaving aside the deceiful argumentation - forgetting "in this thread" - the reality is that Karrde is not on your side of the argument - he's on his own if anything. He opposed the 1.1 changes as he makes clear on the Crossing Zebra's podcast I linked you earlier where he expresses his great dissatisfaction with the team BFF developers on the issue.
You really are not very good at this.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1044
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Posted - 2012.06.18 20:57:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Well leaving aside the deceiful argumentation - forgetting "in this thread" - the reality is that Karrde is not on your side of the argument - he's on his own if anything. He opposed the 1.1 changes as he makes clear on the Crossing Zebra's podcast I linked you earlier where he expresses his great dissatisfaction with the team BFF developers on the issue.
You really are not very good at this.
my argument is "goonswarm doesn't give a flying **** about wardecs"
his argument is "the number of allies should be hard-capped"
obviously two completely separate and unrelated arguments, but neither of which you're in a position to agree with eh |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1042
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Posted - 2012.06.18 20:59:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:fortunately we don't pick up the tab for the whole cfc's reimbursements or we might manage to bust our budget with our new size :ohdear: I thought our allies take care of their own moons and reimbursements? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
907
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:00:00 -
[424] - Quote
I'm this close to starting a ''Bring back the old ally system'' thread so that all of highsec can be locked into a foreverwar with us.
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3522
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:00:00 -
[425] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote: Well leaving aside the deceiful argumentation - forgetting "in this thread" - the reality is that Karrde is not on your side of the argument - he's on his own if anything. He opposed the 1.1 changes as he makes clear on the Crossing Zebra's podcast I linked you earlier where he expresses his great dissatisfaction with the team BFF developers on the issue.
You really are not very good at this.
"he supported an even more extreme version than the current one, therefore he is on my side of opposing any change" |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:00:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:For the record the Eve News article responses are general positive - people quite liked to hear a version of events that was not biased in the CFC favour. .
:stare: |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2350
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:01:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Well leaving aside the deceiful argumentation - forgetting "in this thread" - the reality is that Karrde is not on your side of the argument - he's on his own if anything. He opposed the 1.1 changes as he makes clear on the Crossing Zebra's podcast I linked you earlier where he expresses his great dissatisfaction with the team BFF developers on the issue.
You really are not very good at this.
my argument is "goonswarm doesn't give a flying **** about wardecs" his argument is "the number of allies should be hard-capped" obviously two completely separate and unrelated arguments, but neither of which you're in a position to agree with
My argument is that he doesn't support the 1.1 change and nor does anyone else much outside the CFC.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3522
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:03:00 -
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jade come now lying this blatantly is unseemly |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
65
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:04:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Well leaving aside the deceiful argumentation - forgetting "in this thread" - the reality is that Karrde is not on your side of the argument - he's on his own if anything. He opposed the 1.1 changes as he makes clear on the Crossing Zebra's podcast I linked you earlier where he expresses his great dissatisfaction with the team BFF developers on the issue.
You really are not very good at this.
my argument is "goonswarm doesn't give a flying **** about wardecs" his argument is "the number of allies should be hard-capped" obviously two completely separate and unrelated arguments, but neither of which you're in a position to agree with My argument is that he doesn't support the 1.1 change and nor does anyone else much outside the CFC.
And no one in the CFC gives a damn about the 1.1 changes, so go look some where else. |
Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
283
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:04:00 -
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Jade, your stated position is 'Keep infinite free allies'. Then, when this was explained as really, really bad, you changed it to 'keep infinite free allies up until the number of characters on the defender side of the war equals the number in the attacker's side', entirely ignoring the concept of corp-hopping.
I've yet to see anyone from the CSM defend either of those positions. Them saying the 1.1 changes aren't a great final fix to the whole mercenary/allies system is very different from them agreeing with you. This isn't a binary debate. Our position, for its part, is 'we don't care, but you, Jade Constantine, are a bad poster and entirely too much fun to rile up.' Given that we're on EVE-O thread 3, and 1 EVE NEWS 24 article later, it's been a good week for you typing words.
I mean, this is the EVE-O general forums. Top secret plans will doubtless be discussed in other channels so it won't be neccessary to infiltrate simply for the purpose of listening. |
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1044
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:05:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:My argument is that he doesn't support the 1.1 change and nor does anyone else much outside the CFC.
so why does the CFC, a nullsec bloc, support changes to wardecs?
if we were that worried we'd never have wardecced anybody eh |
Holander Switzerland
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:06:00 -
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Kyle Myr wrote:. Top secret plans will doubtless be discussed in other channels so it won't be neccessary to infiltrate simply for the purpose of listening.
I LIED YOU INFILTRATE FOR THE PURPOSE OF GETTING SOME HOT SNATCH SAUSAGE OR THE DEBONED FISH WITH TAR-TAR SAUCE ALFREDO IF YOU CATCH MY DRIFT.
to spacefuck |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1042
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:07:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:I'm this close to starting a ''Bring back the old ally system'' thread so that all of highsec can be locked into a foreverwar with us. Can we do that? I think a lot of people would like the changes to not occur.
Even Jade would agree with such an idea, surely we're on the right path :shobon: Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
dontbanmebro
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:09:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:nor does anyone else much
citation needed
Jade Constantine wrote:outside the CFC
citation needed
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1042
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:09:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:jade come now lying this blatantly is unseemly My my, isn't that a pretty rude thing to do?
Lying on the EVEO forums... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1042
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:10:00 -
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dontbanmebro wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:nor does anyone else much citation needed Jade Constantine wrote:outside the CFC citation needed Man, the new requirement to have proof for statements made on the Forums is quite a burden on badposters. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Enaris Kerle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:11:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:so why does the CFC, a nullsec bloc, support changes to wardecs?
if we were that worried we'd never have wardecced anybody no you see we've wardecced jade but now he's got his 40 valiant three member corps we're in over our head and weaselior is scared because of OH LOOK THERE A THREE HEADED MONKEY Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm. |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
907
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:12:00 -
[438] - Quote
Jade Constantine makes less sense than The Secret
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:13:00 -
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I think this quote from Macbeth best describes jade's logic:
It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury signifying nothing. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1042
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:14:00 -
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Enaris Kerle wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:so why does the CFC, a nullsec bloc, support changes to wardecs?
if we were that worried we'd never have wardecced anybody no you see we've wardecced jade but now he's got his 40 valiant three member corp allies we're in over our head and weaselior is scared because of OH LOOK THERE A THREE HEADED MONKEY Jita undock, one of the most dangerous areas in EVE Online.
Unless you're in a corp that is neutral to everyone ... kind of like an NPC corp I guess. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1348
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:20:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Well leaving aside the deceiful argumentation - forgetting "in this thread" - the reality is that Karrde is not on your side of the argument - he's on his own if anything. He opposed the 1.1 changes as he makes clear on the Crossing Zebra's podcast I linked you earlier where he expresses his great dissatisfaction with the team BFF developers on the issue.
You really are not very good at this.
my argument is "goonswarm doesn't give a flying **** about wardecs" his argument is "the number of allies should be hard-capped" obviously two completely separate and unrelated arguments, but neither of which you're in a position to agree with My argument is that he doesn't support the 1.1 change and nor does anyone else much outside the CFC. So he doesn't support the SPECIFIC change that is 1.1 and so, therefore, must be supporting leaving 1.0 unchanged, DESPITE him saying he warned CCP that 1.0 was utterly terrible and broken dogpiling would happen?
What are you smoking? - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1348
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:21:00 -
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Jade tell me you don't actually believe this **** and are just hoping if you push an agenda far enough, even on complete nonsense terms, your "goal" is somehow being met?
You realise this is basically just ANOTHER threadnaught where everyone points and laughs at you and no one agrees?
Also, not in the CFC and disagree. Do I need a signed triplicated form to be counted? - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1042
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:21:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:So he doesn't support the SPECIFIC change that is 1.1 and so, therefore, must be supporting leaving 1.0 unchanged, DESPITE him saying he warned CCP that 1.0 was utterly terrible and broken dogpiling would happen?
What are you smoking? Hopefully not "bath salts".
Let's just say "boosters illegal in most of Empire space". Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
285
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:22:00 -
[444] - Quote
I had a post about who actually cares about 1.1 changes, but it was wordy, so I deleted it. Here's the tl;dr:
A small corp declaring war on anyone at all in 1.0 gets the same response a large corp gets declaring war on anyone in 1.0: Open to allies and let everyone who wants in, get in for free. Therefore, anyone who actually makes their money in high sec suffers disproportionately from declaring war in the Inferno 1.0 system, as does anyone who wants to make money as an ally.
In inferno 1.1, this can be still true (there are still free allies, and with the right couple of picks, the defender can cause hassle for the attacker for the low price of 30m for 3 allies), but it is not the default response to just call all free allies. Picking and choosing based on who is fighting who becomes necessary.
If you want a diplomatic envoy's transport to be blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances, you need to choose your allies carefully. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1348
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:23:00 -
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Also, not reading 440 posts.
Has Jade yet answered why anyone in the CFC would want highsec wardecs changed or is he still on a circular argument? - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2086
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:23:00 -
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Kyle Myr wrote:Jade, your stated position is 'Keep infinite free allies'. Then, when this was explained as really, really bad, you changed it to 'keep infinite free allies up until the number of characters on the defender side of the war equals the number in the attacker's side', entirely ignoring the concept of corp-hopping.
I've yet to see anyone from the CSM defend either of those positions. Them saying the 1.1 changes aren't a great final fix to the whole mercenary/allies system is very different from them agreeing with you. This isn't a binary debate. Our position, for its part, is 'we don't care, but you, Jade Constantine, are a bad poster and entirely too much fun to rile up.' Given that we're on EVE-O thread 3, and 1 EVE NEWS 24 article later, it's been a good week for you typing words.
I mean, this is the EVE-O general forums. Top secret plans will doubtless be discussed in other channels so it won't be neccessary to infiltrate simply for the purpose of listening.
I'm a CSM and I've basically supported what Jade has suggested several times in fact. I believe allies should be free up to a point based on the size of the opponent. The fees for extras in a manner that the fees are passed to the mercs you could hire. So pretty much the same as Jade suggests.
Again, amazed at the goon ratio of posters in this thread.
Issler
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1042
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:25:00 -
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Kyle Myr wrote:I had a post about who actually cares about 1.1 changes, but it was wordy, so I deleted it. Here's the tl;dr:
A small corp declaring war on anyone at all in 1.0 gets the same response a large corp gets declaring war on anyone in 1.0: Open to allies and let everyone who wants in, get in for free. Therefore, anyone who actually makes their money in high sec suffers disproportionately from declaring war in the Inferno 1.0 system, as does anyone who wants to make money as an ally.
In inferno 1.1, this can be still true (there are still free allies, and with the right couple of picks, the defender can cause hassle for the attacker for the low price of 30m for 3 allies), but it is not the default response to just call all free allies. Picking and choosing based on who is fighting who becomes necessary.
If you want a diplomatic envoy's transport to be blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances, you need to choose your allies carefully. Who cares about the corps that actually live in highsec and will never use the now broken wardec system, it's all about the goons who live in nullsec.
And who ganks diplomatic envoy transports anyway? You won't get insurance anymore. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
285
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:25:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Kyle Myr wrote:Jade, your stated position is 'Keep infinite free allies'. Then, when this was explained as really, really bad, you changed it to 'keep infinite free allies up until the number of characters on the defender side of the war equals the number in the attacker's side', entirely ignoring the concept of corp-hopping.
I've yet to see anyone from the CSM defend either of those positions. Them saying the 1.1 changes aren't a great final fix to the whole mercenary/allies system is very different from them agreeing with you. This isn't a binary debate. Our position, for its part, is 'we don't care, but you, Jade Constantine, are a bad poster and entirely too much fun to rile up.' Given that we're on EVE-O thread 3, and 1 EVE NEWS 24 article later, it's been a good week for you typing words.
I mean, this is the EVE-O general forums. Top secret plans will doubtless be discussed in other channels so it won't be neccessary to infiltrate simply for the purpose of listening. I'm a CSM and I've basically supported what Jade has suggested several times in fact. I believe allies should be free up to a point based on the size of the opponent. The fees for extras in a manner that the fees are passed to the mercs you could hire. So pretty much the same as Jade suggests. Again, amazed at the goon ratio of posters in this thread. Issler
And you're the only one. Because we also declared war on you. And you have it opened and have 38 allies.
I mean, you've also stated you'll spend the 3.5 *10^18 ISK to keep those allies in 1.1. Stating it doesn't make that plausible. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1348
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:25:00 -
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Kyle Myr wrote:I had a post about who actually cares about 1.1 changes, but it was wordy, so I deleted it. Here's the tl;dr:
A small corp declaring war on anyone at all in 1.0 gets the same response a large corp gets declaring war on anyone in 1.0: Open to allies and let everyone who wants in, get in for free. Therefore, anyone who actually makes their money in high sec suffers disproportionately from declaring war in the Inferno 1.0 system, as does anyone who wants to make money as an ally.
In inferno 1.1, this can be still true (there are still free allies, and with the right couple of picks, the defender can cause hassle for the attacker for the low price of 30m for 3 allies), but it is not the default response to just call all free allies. Picking and choosing based on who is fighting who becomes necessary.
If you want a diplomatic envoy's transport to be blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances, you need to choose your allies carefully.
I've pointed out to Jade multiple times that, ironically, the ONLY groups who can weather a dogpile and still operate in highsec (if they chose to do so) would be large alliances, but it's completely lost on him. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Lord Zim
811
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:25:00 -
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Shockingly, a posting alliance thrives on posting in bad threads started by a bad poster and propped up by even worse posters. |
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