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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
562
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Posted - 2012.04.23 08:23:00 -
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It is technically player verses player interaction, but it isnt a fight. It isnt combat. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Francisco Bizzaro
40
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Posted - 2012.04.23 08:25:00 -
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Yes, it is PvP ... followed by some vigorous EvP. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3448
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Posted - 2012.04.23 08:42:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Malcanis wrote:"you guys"?
You're more than welcome to bring your "gang of 10 Rifters and few Griffins or even Blackbird" to N5Y I mean your hisec griefer alt.
I don't have one. Black Legion are available 4 jumps away in K3 for all my failing-at-PvP requirements.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
45
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Posted - 2012.04.23 08:54:00 -
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Wow haha! You suicide gank whiners and "real pvp" white knights are so dumb I feel embarrassed for you. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2012.04.23 08:57:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:I don't have one. Black Legion are available 4 jumps away in K3 for all my failing-at-PvP requirements.
Are you trying to say you fail at pvp or what? Confusing. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3448
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Posted - 2012.04.23 08:59:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Malcanis wrote:I don't have one. Black Legion are available 4 jumps away in K3 for all my failing-at-PvP requirements.
Are you trying to say you fail at pvp or what? Confusing.
It seemed fairly clear to me. I fail dreadfully at PvP.
Still, I know it when i see it, and I don't claim it isn't just because the other guy won. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3448
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Posted - 2012.04.23 08:59:00 -
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Ludi Burek wrote:Wow haha! You suicide gank whiners and "real pvp" white knights are so dumb I feel embarrassed for you.
I see dumb people.
They don't know they're dumb. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Josef Djugashvilis
83
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Posted - 2012.04.23 09:01:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Sure, in the same way a sniper taking someone out from 500 yards is.
Whether or not the other person recognizes the threat beforehand, or has a chance after you've attacked, doesn't really make any difference.
But i will add that until hollywood made it look cool, snipers were considered to be cheap bastards.
In fact, in WWII any sniper caught was generally executed on the spot. You want fries with that? |
Josef Djugashvilis
83
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Posted - 2012.04.23 09:06:00 -
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Ganking is to pvp as mugging an old lady in the street is to street fighting You want fries with that? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3448
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Posted - 2012.04.23 09:09:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Ganking is to pvp as mugging an old lady in the street is to street fighting
A much more sensible and lucrative career choice? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Josef Djugashvilis
83
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Posted - 2012.04.23 09:14:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Ganking is to pvp as mugging an old lady in the street is to street fighting A much more sensible and lucrative career choice?
Depends how much money the old lady had You want fries with that? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3448
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Posted - 2012.04.23 09:20:00 -
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Pretty sure the overall net ISK/hr is better than trying to make money from fighting streetfighters.
You go take on 10 Crips, I'll beat up on 10 old ladies and we'll meet back here in a week and compare receipts. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
266
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Posted - 2012.04.23 09:34:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Ganking is to pvp as mugging an old lady in the street is to street fighting A much more sensible and lucrative career choice?
I think Concord should blow up the pods of suicide gankers as it's not really suicide unless the clone dies.
Suicide ganking is not really a career choice for some it's just for laughs, if it was true suicide ganking then it would be a short career. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3448
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Posted - 2012.04.23 09:39:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:Malcanis wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Ganking is to pvp as mugging an old lady in the street is to street fighting A much more sensible and lucrative career choice? I think Concord should blow up the pods of suicide gankers as it's not really suicide unless the clone dies. Suicide ganking is not really a career choice for some it's just for laughs, if it was true suicide ganking then it would be a short career.
Wouldn't it be simpler to get rid of CONCORD, then it could just be proper, normal, realistic piracy. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
baltec1
1130
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Posted - 2012.04.23 09:56:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:Malcanis wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Ganking is to pvp as mugging an old lady in the street is to street fighting A much more sensible and lucrative career choice? I think Concord should blow up the pods of suicide gankers as it's not really suicide unless the clone dies. Suicide ganking is not really a career choice for some it's just for laughs, if it was true suicide ganking then it would be a short career.
Alas, the crew are not so fortunate. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
266
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Posted - 2012.04.23 09:56:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Malcanis wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Ganking is to pvp as mugging an old lady in the street is to street fighting A much more sensible and lucrative career choice? I think Concord should blow up the pods of suicide gankers as it's not really suicide unless the clone dies. Suicide ganking is not really a career choice for some it's just for laughs, if it was true suicide ganking then it would be a short career. Wouldn't it be simpler to get rid of CONCORD, then it could just be proper, normal, realistic piracy.
Getting rid of CONCORD would just turn high-sec into a PvP zone/griefing zone and a lot that play the game would simply stop playing the game. I don't think it'll attract that many newer players.
I do agree though the system as it is, is too artifical and needs some kind of overhaul. I hope they do a good job with changing FW. |
Ai Shun
718
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Posted - 2012.04.23 10:05:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Shun Industrials and Haulage [SIHI]
Your point? I'm a war target if anybody felt like it. I don't shelter in a NPC corp. I don't see the need to pay Lai Dai a tax either and, if you've followed my forum posting - I definitely don't play well with others
You're more than welcome to run a locator agent and come visit me.
Sasha Azala wrote:I do agree though the system as it is, is too artifical and needs some kind of overhaul. I hope they do a good job with changing FW.
+1. I'm not a big fan of CONCORD either; even when I am mostly benefiting from them exacting vengeance for me. This is a conceptually interesting idea by Katerwaul. Needs a bit of a re-read, but I like the principle. EVE Ambulation and Avatars as a separate game - see here |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
266
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Posted - 2012.04.23 10:14:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Malcanis wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Ganking is to pvp as mugging an old lady in the street is to street fighting A much more sensible and lucrative career choice? I think Concord should blow up the pods of suicide gankers as it's not really suicide unless the clone dies. Suicide ganking is not really a career choice for some it's just for laughs, if it was true suicide ganking then it would be a short career. Alas, the crew are not so fortunate.
Into the realms of RP
We have a crew? I thought the ships were fully automated and we were just the processor in the machine.
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Shadowsword
The Scope Gallente Federation
128
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Posted - 2012.04.23 10:24:00 -
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It is real pvp. And at the same time, it's not.
I approve of suicide-ganking as a tool to keep idiocy in check. if a Hulk without even a damage control get suicide ganked, I'll applaud. If a faction BS with a 10b fit, or an afk industrial with an expensive cargo get the same treatment, I like it.
But, while suicide ganking is technically pvp, it manage to remove the very meaning of it. The essence of pvp is to measure yourself against other players, to prove to yourself (or others, if Epeen is a motivation to you) that you are more skilled, smarter, more dangerous. That you are the king of the jungle, so to speak. From that point of view, suicide-ganking is only a form of income and doesn't deserve to be called pvp. |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
180
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Posted - 2012.04.23 10:28:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Player. Versus. Player.
Player #1 is fitted in a combat ship. Player #2 is in a non tanked, mining hulk without an escort and mining AFK.
Just because the actual combat happens today, does not mean the decisions both players made that put them in that scenario was not a good example of player versus player interaction.
Worse arguement ever.
A tanked Hulk merely stops 1 Dessi killing you. as for an escort, I've yet to see a Hulk get repped out of alpha. Would be nice if people who chipped in on ever hulk killing thread were honest.
Is it pvp? Sort of. Is it worthwhile? No, not really. Will it ever stop? No why would fail pvp'ers stop padding kill boards. People that Gank for profit kill Tengu bots, as the loot is much more rewarding. Killing hulks is the same as walking into a preschool class room with a baseball bat and swinging away at "your enemies".
It is however preventable, and I have little to no care for the tears of a miner that does not at lease fit a DCU II and a buffer tank. Its not like miners don't know they are targets for the fail. Also failing in your fitting is not, nor will it ever be a reason for hulks to be buffed.
So unless CCP decided Miners need putting on the endangered list and give Hulks the LSE II that forces gankers to use 3 Nados, every miner should learn to use Dscan and a buffer tank. At the very lease, they gankers will scan you and move on to the idiots still fitting C-type shield boosters. |
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Elinarien
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.23 10:30:00 -
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It is pvp. Nothing wrong with it either, apart from the f***wits who brag about it. Just one rung up the ladder from fightclubbing imo. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3449
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Posted - 2012.04.23 10:33:00 -
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Shadowsword wrote:It is real pvp. And at the same time, it's not.
I approve of suicide-ganking as a tool to keep idiocy in check. if a Hulk without even a damage control get suicide ganked, I'll applaud. If a faction BS with a 10b fit, or an afk industrial with an expensive cargo get the same treatment, I like it.
But, while suicide ganking is technically pvp, it manage to remove the very meaning of it. The essence of pvp is to measure yourself against other players, to prove to yourself (or others, if Epeen is a motivation to you) that you are more skilled, smarter, more dangerous. That you are the king of the jungle, so to speak. From that point of view, suicide-ganking is only a form of income and doesn't deserve to be called pvp.
To a pirate, the "essence of PvP" is to kill other players ships and take their stuff. From that point of view, suicide ganking is definitely PvP
PS Hulks often drop T2 strip miners, and you can salvage T2 armour plates from the wreck. Just FYI. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
The Lobsters
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.04.23 10:42:00 -
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Technically, yes.
Personally, I would take the 'versus' to imply some kind of combat.
I've done a couple of miner ganks early on in my eve career. With those guys it was just some PvE'ers who wanted a thrill and the taste of blood in their mouth. I didn't enjoy it much, but my corpies were getting bored of running their L4's.
It made them PvP'ers the way wearing a football shirt makes you a sportsman, or bullying the fat kid in school makes you one of the top boys.
Other actual PvP'ers I know gank miners to fund their PvP habit, and having good PvP skills helps their profit margin.
But that's more like farming. Mining the miners.
They wouldn't consider it PvP. But maybe some Darwinian proof. |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
672
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Posted - 2012.04.23 10:44:00 -
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Suicide ganking is pvp if shooting bunnies in a cage is hunting.
Suicide gankers are pvp-ers like D I C K Cheney is a hunter.
"Versus" is "in opposition to". Suicide gankers face no opposition.
You get in trouble when you take what sociopaths say...seriously. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
VaMei
Meafi Corp
117
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Posted - 2012.04.23 11:54:00 -
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I'd say that if you're out to get their stuff, deny them access to the rocks, enforcing a protection racket, encourage sales of your product, or any other economic scheme you can come up with, then yes it's PvP.
If it's tear farming, then it's just farming. Eve's a sold as being a dangerous place where people will take your lollipop just to hear you cry. Like it or hate it, it is part of the game.
If the goal is the thrill of the hunt, or just padding your killboard, then it's just lame players showing their stripes. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
573
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Posted - 2012.04.23 12:00:00 -
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No it isn't.
Suicide ganking's closest RL equivalent is a terrorist attack......even down to it's involuntary nature on the receiving end. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
325
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Posted - 2012.04.23 12:03:00 -
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I do not consider ganking to be PVP at all.
Miners are not players. They are subhuman. I exterminate them as I would a rat or a louse.
I am not looking for a 'good fight'. I am not looking for a challenge. My only wish is that they die, get discouraged, and eventually quit playing EVE forever.
I WANT mineral prices to skyrocket. I am elated that CCP is placing the burden of mineral production back on miners - making them big targets. My profit margins are quite secure - I want ships to be as expensive as possible for EVERYONE else.
I want idiot 'elite PVPers' on a fixed income to pay through the nose to have their lowsec-nulsec fun. I want younger players to have to grind for days or weeks to buy their ships - only to lose them in a flash of bad luck.
My ideal sandbox is filled with the burnt remains of carebears - and Beethoven. |
OmniBeton
OmniBeton Metatech
8
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Posted - 2012.04.23 12:05:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Player versus Player.
This.
Why so many people confuses PVP with GvG Gentleman vs Gentleman ?
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Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
219
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Posted - 2012.04.23 12:18:00 -
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OP, Define real PvP, then you will have your answer.
But considering your original post, nice troll.
After reading a few replies. For fun I just put one piece of trit on the market lower then everyone else. Guess what, that is PvP. I guess that makes me a PvP'r |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2012.04.23 12:35:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:I do not consider ganking miners to be PVP at all.
Miners are not players. They are subhuman. I exterminate them as I would a rat or a louse.
I am not looking for a 'good fight'. I am not looking for a challenge. My only wish is that they die, get discouraged, and eventually quit playing EVE forever.
I WANT mineral prices to skyrocket. I am elated that CCP is placing the burden of mineral production back on miners - making them big targets. My profit margins are quite secure - I want ships to be as expensive as possible for EVERYONE else.
I want idiot 'elite PVPers' on a fixed income to pay through the nose to have their lowsec-nulsec fun. I want younger players to have to grind for days or weeks to buy their ships - only to lose them in a flash of bad luck.
My ideal sandbox is filled with the burnt remains of carebears - and Beethoven.
So you've found just another exploit to use then? You do realize that you should tell CCP about those exploits. |
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