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Sevarus James
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.02.08 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jean Dessaut
That said, I'm not entirely sure I would trust the client running through Wine. The last thing I need is some crash at a crucial moment like breaking free from a 0.0 gate camp.
The wine + premium combination has been rock stable for months. Most of us have been forced to use wine for quite awhile as the official client has serious problems with fps/gfx on a lot of systems.
And after seeing the discos' and crashes that my friends online experience under MS Windows + eve, you are worried about wine/linux/eve moreso? EVE has "gold" status under wine's listing, and its only 'gold' and not 'platinum' due to a few gfx issues left to deal with shadows under dx9 which are being worked on as well as a windowing bug that is NOT critical to play. |
Fennicus
Amarr Shoot To Thrill
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Posted - 2009.02.08 20:36:00 -
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Edited by: Fennicus on 08/02/2009 20:37:11 Sad news, but I think this (in combination with discontinued SM1) further supports the idea that CCP really need to start collecting software/hardware information in a decent manner.
You guys really need to find out just how many people are playing EVE under Linux through whatever method, because I think we're all expecting the next expansion to not work under Wine and you're going to leave all Linux users completely stranded. And that number may well be a pretty large fraction of people, or it might not - I imagine that CCP know no better than I do about its magnitude.
(In any case, it's pretty cool that it's worked so well up to now at least!) |
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2009.02.08 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Aurix Lexico
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Aurix Lexico It is very simple to check for wine. If the registry folder "HKEY_CURRENT_USER/software/wine" exists then it is wine, if not, it's windows. Do CCP really not check wine?
The Windows client on top of Wine is not the officially supported Linux client on top of Cedega that we are retiring.
You misunderstood what I meant. I just wanted to know if you check if the eve client is running under wine.
We don't, it reports Windows as the platform. We are retiring the support for the official Linux client running on top of Cedega, for which we have accurate numbers. |
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Technomagez
Gallente teeny tiny space pirates
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Posted - 2009.02.08 20:42:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Lorinator
Originally by: CCP Whisper However we have not seen a similar growth in the numbers using our Linux client.
That's because the official client sucked so much everyone just used wine instead. Sad.
Aye, that's the whole thing... how couldn't they see this? Come on, the "official" client did not support voice and premium graphics, crashed occasionally and had a crappy framerate.
Wine was better in so many ways. But wine still doesn't make eve work as intended. I also fear that wine won't be able to run ambulation/walking in stations properly. And every update could potentially destroy a working eve installation in wine... |
Elassus Herron
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Posted - 2009.02.08 20:44:00 -
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CCP, I appreciate that you're staying in touch with us Linux users on this, as Cedega's support is notorious. *Please* keep the Linux forum open, and I beg you to consider a couple other things:
* check for that registry entry that identifies wine. You'll almost certainly find that a lot of your "windows" clients are actually wine clients * Please keep in touch/help with the wine project, even if unofficially. I'm sure they'll love having a more prominent role * If you ever find that you need to re-write your graphics engine from the ground up, such that switching to OpenGL would be (somewhat) trivial, please do it. Supporting an "official" client that's just a wrapper is not the same thing as a native cross-platform client.
I used the cedega client for about a month, before it stopped working. I have never used it since, because the wine version is so much better. If you cut your cedega support to 10% of current, and used that to help the wine people, they - and we - would love you.
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Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
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Posted - 2009.02.08 20:48:00 -
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Edited by: Kadesh Priestess on 08/02/2009 20:49:05 My suggestion is to stop whining from eve-on-wine camp, the only peeps here who has right to do that - ones who used official client.
My opinion is that nobody using wine would return to official client - so why CCP should spend money on that?
Get some basic knowledge, Apocrypha client, and help OSS community by writing bug reports, debugging any encountered issues yourselves, etc - it would help much more than whining on forums.
Originally by: Elassus Herron * check for that registry entry that identifies wine. You'll almost certainly find that a lot of your "windows" clients are actually wine clients
It's a bit late isn't it? |
Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.02.08 20:59:00 -
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It's certainly a loss for the Linux guys, but honestly I wouldn't be too worried about it. As was previously pointed out, the official client was crap anyhow compared to WINE (I'll restrict my comments as to why that is), so there is no immediate loss. The official client was easier to set up than WINE, but honestly I don't know anyone who uses Linux who isn't competent enough to set up WINE too.
I think the concern about future compatibility is a valid concern, but it's also something that's far too easy to worry about. CCP is not going to stop targeting WINE, they can't - the Mac client will continue to exist with full SM3 support, and what is Cider but a version of WINE? CCP can't get too crazy at the risk of breaking the Mac client, so it would be unlikely that they'll do anything to break the client running under WINE on Linux.
I'm caught in the middle however on the fact that the Mac client hasn't been put out of its misery. It's not very good, I'm not sure it's fair to new Mac customers to keep it when the Mac is advertised as an equal platform (it's not). CCP may have been better off canning both clients. |
Nox Virago
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.02.08 21:15:00 -
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Hi,
just want to add my two cents...
Dropping the official client (which most users find lacking) is not necessarily a bad thing. Most people prefer the windows + wine version and frankly I can't blame them. I imagine it will save a lot of effort and development resources as well, so that they can be better spent on improving the game on the other two major platforms.
On the other hand, an official Linux client meant that the EVE client dev team had to keep and eye out for incompatibilities with Cedega, which is in fact a wine fork from a time before time. So I guess thanks to the official Linux client many compatibility improvements have made it into the core EVE client, thus (though unintentionally and unofficially) the windows client was made more compatible with wine.
The question now is this - will the continuing development of the EVE client take into consideration compatibility issues with wine and to what degree? I (and surely many people in this part of the forums) would like to know if at least some effort will be put into keeping EVE running under Linux. Also will you keep the Linux section in the forums? Although the platform will not be officially supported since March 10th, it can still be a place where people can share their EVE on Linux experience with others, discuss problems and offer solutions... |
Alz Shado
Ever Flow Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2009.02.08 21:20:00 -
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Congratulations.
Your paid developers can't compete with some volunteer weekend-warriors.
Can't wait to see what your gurus do with the official client.
My advice: Mar 10th, set some 60d skills to train. |
Eoras Northwind
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.02.08 21:26:00 -
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Edited by: Eoras Northwind on 08/02/2009 21:32:26
Originally by: CCP Whisper However we have not seen a similar growth in the numbers using our Linux client.
And your numbers are wrong. Have you even corrected for the significantly larger Mac OS install base vs Linux? It's very hard to even count the number of "Linux" desktops.
Originally by: CCP Explorer We are retiring the support for the official Linux client running on top of Cedega, for which we have accurate numbers.
FWIW, I use the wine client, but bought and have installed the 'Official Linux Client' originally. Due to the lack of quality in the official client, every Eve-Online Linux user I know either personally or via the game uses Wine or dual boots. So while I'm an actual sale, I (OpenSUSE 11.1 x86_64 + wine) don't show up in your numbers, proving your numbers questionable.
Originally by: CCP Whisper It is for this reason that I am sorry to have to announce that from the 10th of March onwards CCP will no longer be officially supporting the Linux operating system.
I'm sorry, but you can't discontinue support for that which never existed.
It's a nice farce, but the Offical "Linux Client" never was.
~/.cedega/EVE Online/c_drive/Program Files/CCP/EVE tcsh-6.15.00>file eve.exe eve.exe: MS-DOS executable PE for MS Windows (GUI) Intel 80386 32-bit
The Eve Online Linux client is as native as notepad.exe.
The Cider technology simply let you run your WINDOWS ONLY compiled python client on a Linux system. This is identical to running it under wine. It's still a bloated, slow PXE executable. It still needs the wineloader and wine environment. It's still a Direct X application using slow OpenGL translation.
It's why I threw the beta away +5 years ago and stayed away until 2007. Direct X developers and their users are the definition of a captive audience. You live and work when and how Microsoft wants you to. Each sale is less about your profit than about one company enforcing it's one way of doing business: funneling more cash into it's monopoly at the expense of others and quality.
Originally by: CCP Whisper As you may know, we have been working in partnership with Transgaming Technologies, utilizing their Cider engine to allow EVE Online to run on the Mac OS and their Cedega engine to enable operation under Linux.
In my opinion, CCP picked the wrong company to do the "porting." Cedega once had the leading implementation of DirectX on Linux, but their tiny team worked on their private and increasingly hacked up fork of ancient wineX code. They could not keep up with the Open Source wine project. Today, wine runs more applications better than Cedega. The company that sponsors wine, Crossover, even has a game-specific version with similar features to Cedega.
All you are doing is no longer testing and fixing issues Cedega. Why not do so under wine? Sooner or later, CCP will make changes that cause WINE to stop working, probably also killing the part your Mac fanbase who also use WINE.
So, CCP, will you continue to test? When will the first showsopper bug be?
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Ix Forres
Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.02.08 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer We have no plans to deliberately break Wine or CrossOver support. But there is a clear difference between "official support" and "not deliberately break support". As an example, after 10 Mar we may release a client that crashes fairly obviously when running on top of Wine and expect the Wine community to pick up such issues on Singularity or Tranquility and fix them without notification from us. At most we may possibly run quick smoketests using Wine but there is no guarantee.
If CCP is to discontinue support for Linux, then how about putting some resources to work with the Wine product and community?
As a GPL product, anyone can contribute. How about setting a dev or two to the task of ensuring that Wine plays nicely with EVE? There are a bunch of very small changes CCP could make that would enhance the EVE-on-Wine experience no end. Would it help if the community started a list? Things like falling back to non-Microsoft fonts (sans.ttf instead of arial.ttf if arial.ttf doesn't exist, for example), little problems that make life a little more complex than 'install and go'.
CCP have a huge community out there that can be leveraged- Wine. Many more developers than Transgaming, doing a far better job, and very appreciative whenever game/app developers step up and help- be it by adjusting their apps or explaining things to the Wine community.
It would be a real shame to see CCP ignore the platform entirely as your post suggests you might end up doing. Even if the 'official support' motif is dropped, as I would expect, you could at least provide unofficial support for very little additional work. |
Pivalak
Advanced Capital Ship Designs
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Posted - 2009.02.08 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Aurix Lexico You misunderstood what I meant. I just wanted to know if you check if the eve client is running under wine.
We don't, it reports Windows as the platform. We are retiring the support for the official Linux client running on top of Cedega, for which we have accurate numbers.
Which brings the question of why CCP is/was not interested on knowing the actual number of EVE players under Linux.
I mean, on the one hand it is not difficult to add a check for the appropriate registry key, so that the Windows client running under Wine gets reported as such. On the other hand, we all agree the reason why the number of users of the "official" client was so low was the poor quality of the service provided. So if there was a real interest from CCP on supporting this platform, one would think that there would be interest on getting such numbers and, if reasonable enough, reconsider the way CCP supports Linux given the bad results obtained through Cedega/Transgaming.
Also, I would like to point that your five messages from today account for all the feedback we have received in the last seven months, during which CCP devs have blatantly ignored any question on the Linux client on the forums. However, I acknowledge it must not have been easy for you and CCP Whisper to step forward and tell us about all this, so I personally would like to thank you for finally giving us an answer on these matters... even if it is not the one we would have liked to hear. |
Alaki Kant
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2009.02.08 21:53:00 -
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Edited by: Alaki Kant on 08/02/2009 21:55:49
Originally by: Kadesh Priestess Edited by: Kadesh Priestess on 08/02/2009 20:49:05 My suggestion is to stop whining from eve-on-wine camp, the only peeps here who has right to do that - ones who used official client.
That makes little sense. Those who used wine used it because it was better. They wouldn't necessarily continue to use it if CCP brought the Cedega client up to date.
In addition, when the Cedega client was supported, Linux users had assurance that Cedega would continue to work even if a patch was released that wine didn't support.
Originally by: Pivalak
I mean, on the one hand it is not difficult to add a check for the appropriate registry key, so that the Windows client running under Wine gets reported as such. On the other hand, we all agree the reason why the number of users of the "official" client was so low was the poor quality of the service provided. So if there was a real interest from CCP on supporting this platform, one would think that there would be interest on getting such numbers and, if reasonable enough, reconsider the way CCP supports Linux given the bad results obtained through Cedega/Transgaming.
The contract they have with Transgaming may prohibit supporting wine. |
KtoJest
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.08 22:06:00 -
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ditto on the cedega client.it's always been a piece of s**t. i thought they turned over a new leaf after getting the ccp contract. but, it was business as usual...all over again. what a schicksal those clowns have.
ccp dumping cedega is the good news. ccp dumping linux users, if true, is the bad news. but its not bad news for linux users only. it is bad news for ccp also. spending money on games comes under the heading of discretionary income. that is, the money i've got left after i feed, clothe, house etc myself and maybe a family, or maybe its my folks that finance my addiction to eve. with the world going from recession to depression, it won't be long before discretionary income dries up. iceland has already gone belly up. georgia, usa is not that far away. official usa unemployment rate =7%+ unofficial =12%+
ccp will, if not already, see a shrinkage of their player base. it would be very foolish to alienate a fervent and rabid linux customer base when the only significant income stream is your player base. i hope that they have taken that into their musings. but then these are the same folks that chose cedega. so who knows.
with the talented comments i've read, on this forum, i would bet that the collective wisdom would have had a 'screaming' stable linux client working a long time ago. i don't think one finds this 'fervency' on the other os forums, (i may be wrong here). wine and crossover work and that is why the linux community supports them both. cedega has been banished since day one.. or two, whatever. this ccp-cedega project was doomed from the start. and i don't think the linux community was any more critical of this piece of software than they are on any other piece of software they are passionate about. i had always wondered how this marriage made in hell would come to an end. maybe its time for me to hang up my 2 accounts and get back to rl.
eve is supposed to be about team play. why not bring it into rl ccp? thats win-win all the other alternatives are lose-lose. work with the linux community. thats a win-win.
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Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
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Posted - 2009.02.08 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Vahligmarr maybe because we (who get the mail) used the cedega official client? and wine users are counted like windows users???
Originally by: Thebro Nobrunder If I run eve in wine under linux does that show up in your statistics as a linux user or as a windows user?
The EVE client uses special hooks into the Cider and Cedega engines to identify the true platform. So the numbers are for the usage of the official Linux client. EVE clients run under Wine or CrossOver will report Windows as the platform.
So the answer is: There's a TON of linux users but they are simply smart enough not to use the garbage linux client from cedega.
While the WINE thread is what? 80 pages long? While the Cedega Sticky thread is what? 10 pages long?
When I first read the premium lite dev blog... I knew cedega had to really get their crap together... or get out.
Good riddance to cedega.
It's now time to start properly supporting Wine. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded. |
Cormac MacAair
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Posted - 2009.02.08 22:13:00 -
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Well, I'm saddened to hear this news. I have both Linux under Wine and the official client on my system and I used the official one usually (I have some tweaking problems with Wine that I've just been to lazy to rectify).
Most everything has been said already but I just wanted to voice my greatest concern. I am mainly worried that future patches might break EVE on Linux.
I also can't understand why CCP couldn't work together with the Linux/Wine community to come up with better solutions to what they needed doing - if anyone is going to know how to ensure it works its going to be people that work with Linux day in day out and you wouldn't even have to pay volunteers!
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Alaki Kant
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2009.02.08 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Cormac MacAair
Most everything has been said already but I just wanted to voice my greatest concern. I am mainly worried that future patches might break EVE on Linux.
I also can't understand why CCP couldn't work together with the Linux/Wine community to come up with better solutions to what they needed doing - if anyone is going to know how to ensure it works its going to be people that work with Linux day in day out and you wouldn't even have to pay volunteers!
This is exactly what I'm worried about. Maybe they started looking at Linux/Cedega usage now because getting it to work with Apocrypha would have been a lot of work.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.02.08 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Alaki Kant
Originally by: Cormac MacAair
Most everything has been said already but I just wanted to voice my greatest concern. I am mainly worried that future patches might break EVE on Linux.
I also can't understand why CCP couldn't work together with the Linux/Wine community to come up with better solutions to what they needed doing - if anyone is going to know how to ensure it works its going to be people that work with Linux day in day out and you wouldn't even have to pay volunteers!
This is exactly what I'm worried about. Maybe they started looking at Linux/Cedega usage now because getting it to work with Apocrypha would have been a lot of work.
Even though it'll work fine under Cider? No. That wouldn't have been the case. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf |
Carinosa Peligrosa
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Posted - 2009.02.08 22:59:00 -
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I'm a Mac OS X user, but I feel like I'm in the same boat as the Linux users -- the Mac OS X client does kind of suck. Crossover Games ("commercial" "WINE") was touch and go, but when it worked, it was superior to the Cider client by far.
I can't wait to evaluate the new Premium Client come March. In both Cider and Crossover/WINE.
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kakmonstret
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Posted - 2009.02.08 23:00:00 -
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For what it's worth also a Linux only player.
And about the statistics that ccp doesn't monitor true Linux usage is very strange. Support or not knowing what customers you got is very important to any business. But I guess as long as they don't care enough to even monitor the true Linux usage then it is kinda strange to even think about support.
One thing I think we as a community should do is to step up our efforts to try beta clients as often we can and send bug reports to both wine and ccp. Even if the bug reports probably will be shoot down quickly from ccp it can once in a while give them a hint on something that maybe creates problem on windows too.
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Glengrant
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.08 23:11:00 -
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I don't see why CCP would close this section. The EVE on wine thread pre-dates this forum section.
If thise section got closed wine threads would show up and "pollute" other forum sections - which helps nobody.
CCP - if you want to avoid misunderstandings re support - just rename this section to "Linux (with wine - unsupported)" or some such. |
Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.02.08 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ix Forres
If CCP is to discontinue support for Linux, then how about putting some resources to work with the Wine product and community?
As a GPL product, anyone can contribute. How about setting a dev or two to the task of ensuring that Wine plays nicely with EVE? There are a bunch of very small changes CCP could make that would enhance the EVE-on-Wine experience no end. Would it help if the community started a list? Things like falling back to non-Microsoft fonts (sans.ttf instead of arial.ttf if arial.ttf doesn't exist, for example), little problems that make life a little more complex than 'install and go'.
I'm going to walk on egg shells for a moment and try not to break anything.
There are really two groups of WINE developers. There are the guys working for Codeweavers, and then there's everyone else. The former compose the main chunk of full time developers, but they're also mostly concerned with business applications - Office and other officey apps on Linux/Mac is a good business for them. They're well organized, but they don't particularly care about gaming. And in spite of being the main chunk of full time developers, they don't exercise a great deal of control on the WINE project.
And then you have everyone else, mostly volunteers and coincidentally "everyone else" tends to be the greater controller of WINE. EO, for all intents and purposes, has ADHD. Working with EO can be difficult even in good times, because they'll work on what they want to work on when they want to work on it, and they don't give a damn about anything else. Anyone who's good and will take paying work tends to end up at Codeweavers, so EO is composed of the stubborn bastards that remain. The issue here is that it's not in CCP's interests to support EO, because EO isn't going to help CCP. EO doesn't care about the Mac platform even though the userbase is many times larger, EO is fixated on WoW at the moment when it comes to gaming, etc.
I'm not knocking guys that do what's otherwise free (and generally high quality) development, but CCP has little to gain supporting WINE at the moment. If and when WINE became more focused on maximizing its user base and helping the most people run the most popular apps (which is really a job that Codeweavers takes away), then it might make sense to support WINE. But as long as WINE development remains disorganized and shys away from bringing Mac support up to parity (so that CCP would no longer need Cider), it's probably not something that would be of particularly good use of CCP's resources. |
Draco Argen
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Posted - 2009.02.09 00:03:00 -
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I'm more waying in to get my Vote on a Linux only user. Also quite unusually a full "Official Linux Client" user too. I feel somewhat like I've been kicked in the gut, after getting so exited about the next release Apocrypha. I only came back to Eve because of the Linux support. Having long ago dropped Windows as a personal desktop. So far I have contributed 2 years (-5 months odd) of subscription feas purely on the basis of Linux support.
People this is does appear not to be a "we give up on Linux" Speech, although the potential and tone has left me disturbed and hurt. From Wispers's response it's purely an official dropping of Cedega, and unnecessary support and QA of the Cider system and the legacy equivalent of wine they run. Initiated by very low usage of the official Linux client. (Which this forum has done nothing but confirm)
Can I ask CCP (Whisper if your listening). Is there anything significant or major in Apocrypha (given the major dropping of the classic client) that is likely to cause problems with the current version of wine? (full scale breaks, not little bugs)
Also is their anything significant you can foresee in the roadmap that would exclude Wine from running Eve-online. (No secret details requested, just a yes or no and approximate time-scale is fine eg post 2010 your screwed)
All I would ask is this forum to continue, more importantly for CCP devs to continue observing it. Un-officially, keep the back channels open, please. In a financial recession I'm more likely to A) pay for eve to keep me happy on a free and open os, B) give up Eve because i wont pay ú40-100 for an OS that offers me no other benefits.
Yours respectfully -Draco Argen
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Katrina Bekers
Gallente Hikage Corporation
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Posted - 2009.02.09 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer As an example, after 10 Mar we may release a client that crashes fairly obviously when running on top of Wine and expect the Wine community to pick up such issues on Singularity or Tranquility and fix them without notification from us.
Don't throw such a gauntlet to a tribe of geeks.
By your own words, a tribe whose size you ignore, as the share of them playing your game.
You know it's hard to outsmart a bunch of determined geeks.
You know because you were.
Anyway, good riddance. Thank you CCP. |
Cyrrus Ex
Gallente Intergalactic Peace Organization Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.09 00:18:00 -
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Edited by: Cyrrus Ex on 09/02/2009 00:21:01 I, too, am a solidly linux only user. A little saddened by this news, but I also hope that we can still play eve after Apocrypha through wine.
Edit: And maybe we could also see some support for the wine project coming from CCP to get the game to run under wine nearly flawlessly. |
Nei Gong
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Posted - 2009.02.09 00:49:00 -
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Sad really. "We are working now on Premium for Mac and Linux! Expect them Soon(tm)" (c) CCP 2007 What we got instead? ...
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Mes Ren
No Trademark
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Posted - 2009.02.09 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Aurix Lexico
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Aurix Lexico It is very simple to check for wine. If the registry folder "HKEY_CURRENT_USER/software/wine" exists then it is wine, if not, it's windows. Do CCP really not check wine?
The Windows client on top of Wine is not the officially supported Linux client on top of Cedega that we are retiring.
You misunderstood what I meant. I just wanted to know if you check if the eve client is running under wine.
We don't, it reports Windows as the platform. We are retiring the support for the official Linux client running on top of Cedega, for which we have accurate numbers.
Couple things. First, guys, please don't mob the Dev. We haven't seen one here in a very long time and don't want to scare him off. Second, read between the lines guys. I'm pretty sure CCP knows that they have a number of linux users, but they have figured out that "unofficial options" work so well, and the cost of fixing the "official client" are so high that it doesn't make sense. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't figure out a way to leverage how well eve runs under linux via "unofficial avenues" to continue to appeal to the linux crowd. Third, again, read between the lines, it seems that CCP is going to make an effort to make sure they don't break the client so it doesn't work with wine. They just can't promise anything as it won't be an "official OS." It would be nice if CCP made an effort to put together a little commitee of Linux users that could help with testing and feedback, but that would probably be too close to an "official client type thing". ________________________
No Trademark -- Mes Ren, Mes Builder -- -- CEO --
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Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2009.02.09 01:26:00 -
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Next question is will the revamped Mac version actually do the job?
If not, I dunno how long this has been an option but, I can see Wine for OSX gaining some traction in the future.
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Persephone 66
Gallente JinTech Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.09 02:00:00 -
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I use the Linux client and save for the occasional graphics hiccup, I have no trouble with it.
I couldn't get the premium client to run under wine, it can't find a sound device. Give me ISK and I'll leave you alone. | Diary of an Egg Jockey | |
Sythyss
Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen
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Posted - 2009.02.09 02:50:00 -
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Originally by: Alz Shado Congratulations.
Your paid developers can't compete with some volunteer weekend-warriors.
Can't wait to see what your gurus do with the official client.
My advice: Mar 10th, set some 60d skills to train.
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