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But Sects
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Posted - 2009.02.06 17:53:00 -
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Let's put all drama beside us for a moment, to answer an honest question.
How is it the KenZoku Alliance (where most of former BOB corps have moved to) has taken sovereignty in Delve, in just one day?
From the Knowledgebase Article: "If a corporation leaves an alliance or switches to a new alliance, the sovereignty claim on all of its towers will reset. Once re-joining their old alliance or joining a new alliance, it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal."
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So how does KenZoku have sov after one day?
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Jimmy Roan
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Posted - 2009.02.06 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: Jimmy Roan on 06/02/2009 17:55:14 KB is wrong I guess..
In game chats yesterday people from all sorts of corps/alliances were saying the sov ticker kicks in instantly if you change alliance to that new alliance.
*spelling
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Regarun
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Posted - 2009.02.06 17:57:00 -
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I remeber sometime ago that XxDeathxX or whatever their name is lost all of their sov because they failed to pay their bill or something and they got it back the next day after they had remade the alliance. ----------- Yes, I are made of alt. |
Ydyp Ieva
Caldari Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2009.02.06 18:03:00 -
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Well the KB speaks about leaving, not sure if being kicked is considered leaving. And the old alliance went boom. So could be even that influences it.
So could be that KB is wrong, or just not complete enough.
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Graisse
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Posted - 2009.02.06 18:04:00 -
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Well I was also surprised. I thought it was going to take 5-7 days to recover sov. I don't really know how that happens, and I don't even think CCP knows all the nut and bolts of POS ****fare. I thought myself that because the towers where never switched off, sov changed immediatelly (but this is not what the knowledge base says effectively).
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CrabClaw McGraw
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Posted - 2009.02.06 18:13:00 -
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What does KenZoku mean? |
Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.02.06 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: CrabClaw McGraw What does KenZoku mean?
There was some discussion about this in CAOD last night. Literally it means family, although in its native lexicon it also means those who have a shared destiny, or something like that.
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URUS FORGE
Caldari THE TRUST INCORPORATED
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Posted - 2009.02.06 18:19:00 -
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http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/20090205.png
well influence map still shows a big hole as of yesterday. |
Grarr Dexx
Amarr Divinity's Edge
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Posted - 2009.02.06 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Originally by: CrabClaw McGraw What does KenZoku mean?
There was some discussion about this in CAOD last night. Literally it means family, although in its native lexicon it also means those who have a shared destiny, or something like that.
They got it off of some ****ty anime. |
Graisse
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Posted - 2009.02.06 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Graisse on 06/02/2009 18:21:16
Originally by: URUS FORGE http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/20090205.png
well influence map still shows a big hole as of yesterday.
Today's map is another one:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/20090206.png
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De Guantanamo
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Posted - 2009.02.06 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: URUS FORGE http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/20090205.png
well influence map still shows a big hole as of yesterday.
Try actually logging in to the game R-tard. Map sovereignty shows Kenzoku has taken most of Delve. Influence map takes a bit longer to update. |
URUS FORGE
Caldari THE TRUST INCORPORATED
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Posted - 2009.02.06 18:23:00 -
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You make that up? or did ccp give ya the bpo? |
Farrellus Cameron
Sturmgrenadier Inc Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.02.06 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: Farrellus Cameron on 06/02/2009 18:26:22 The knowledgebase is wrong. This has happened before. One notable example is Red Alliance and AAA. When major corps in RA left, they lost sov in the many outposts and systems, including a couple in the RIT cluster in Feythabolis. The day after losing sov there, AAA gained sov in those systems because the corps had joined AAA.
You can see how it changed from 8/18/2008: http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/20080818.png
To 8/19/2008: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/20080819.png
One more mechanic CCP needs to fix. Doncha just love how CCP won't even acknowledge something is broken until there is a catastrophe? |
Ooyama
Caldari Rastana CMP Motivated and Determined
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Posted - 2009.02.06 18:27:00 -
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hmmm,, might just be me,, but that there loks a TAD fishy .
"Yama" |
URUS FORGE
Caldari THE TRUST INCORPORATED
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Posted - 2009.02.06 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Farrellus Cameron Edited by: Farrellus Cameron on 06/02/2009 18:26:22 The knowledgebase is wrong. This has happened before. One notable example is Red Alliance and AAA. When major corps in RA left, they lost sov in the many outposts and systems, including a couple in the RIT cluster in Feythabolis. The day after losing sov there, AAA gained sov in those systems because the corps had joined AAA.
You can see how it changed from 8/18/2008: http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/20080818.png
To 8/19/2008: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/20080819.png
One more mechanic CCP needs to fix. Doncha just love how CCP won't even acknowledge something is broken until there is a catastrophe?
CCP: what POS exploit? where?
Quote: A tragic situation exists precisely when virtue does not triumph but when it is still felt that man is nobler than the forces which destroy him. - George Orwell
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Jimmy Roan
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Posted - 2009.02.06 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ooyama hmmm,, might just be me,, but that there loks a TAD fishy .
"Yama"
Well it is just you..
Besides was some goonies saying that's what happens in the EvE-Radio channel last night after one of the DJ's reported a BOB spokesman saying that they'd have sov again tomorrow.
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UfoRIAA
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Posted - 2009.02.06 18:31:00 -
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Its simply really. The pos's have been anchored with non-contested sov, so when the alliance was recreated there was no need to re-calulate sov. The first dt after kenzoku towers were tagged w/ the new alliance name they automitcally get sov one. This isn't a bug or miscalculation, it's how it works.
KenZoku means family just like the BoB symbol meant family/clan as well.
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Ooyama
Caldari Rastana CMP Motivated and Determined
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Posted - 2009.02.06 18:40:00 -
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Oki,, cool,, didn't know those sov-rules before,, good to know .
"Yama".
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Yarik Mendel
Privateers
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Posted - 2009.02.06 18:54:00 -
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Edited by: Yarik Mendel on 06/02/2009 18:54:20
Originally by: UfoRIAA KenZoku means family just like the BoB symbol meant family/clan as well.
Brothers might betray each other, but FAMILY, that's a whole another level right?
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Jimmy Roan
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Posted - 2009.02.06 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Yarik Mendel
Brothers might betray each other, but FAMILY, that's a whole another level right?
Well not really.. didn't you pay attention in fake history class?? (bible) |
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rValdez5987
Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.
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Posted - 2009.02.06 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Grarr Dexx
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Originally by: CrabClaw McGraw What does KenZoku mean?
There was some discussion about this in CAOD last night. Literally it means family, although in its native lexicon it also means those who have a shared destiny, or something like that.
They got it off of some ****ty anime.
it has to do with the fact that if something is japanese, then theres probably an anime about it. The name appears to be wordplay as far as I can tell.
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Paddlefoot Aeon
Neogen Industries Strength in Numbers.
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Posted - 2009.02.06 19:12:00 -
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To my understanding, here is the mechanic for Sov.
A tower must be up for 7 days before it can contribute to SOV. There is no proviso for tower ownership in this.
If a non-aligned corp has a tower in a system for, say, a month... there will be no sov because you cannot claim sov at the corp level.
HOWEVER...
If that corp joins an alliance... and if that corp has a tower that has been anchored for more than 7 days... that tower will begin to factor into Sov calculations the following downtime.
Now, if that system were unclaimed (no sov), then that one tower would stake a claim and start the system at Sov 1.
While BOB may be no more, their towers have been anchored for well over the 7 day minimum. They created the new alliance, brought in all the old members, and now those same towers will begin to exert sov on behalf of the new alliance.
Yes... the sov ticker will start at Sov 1... but that is at least 6 days ahead of any Sov claim a hostile tower could begin to exert.
New-BoB will probably not have to retake stations/outposts even, if they have brought the station owning corps into the fold of the new alliance.
While this move has put BoB (now "new bob"... or "nova-bob") back on their heels, its not a "fait acomplis" that they are losing Delve.
Now the POS spamming begins.
Have fun with that... Now Recruiting. Join "Neogen" channel for details
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Ki Tarra
Caldari Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.06 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ydyp Ieva So could be that KB is wrong, or just not complete enough.
Really! You mean there are defects in CCP's documentation. |
Kinomoto Sakura
FW Scuad Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.06 19:23:00 -
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Edited by: Kinomoto Sakura on 06/02/2009 19:23:23
Originally by: But Sects Let's put all drama beside us for a moment, to answer an honest question.
How is it the KenZoku Alliance (where most of former BOB corps have moved to) has taken sovereignty in Delve, in just one day?
From the Knowledgebase Article: "If a corporation leaves an alliance or switches to a new alliance, the sovereignty claim on all of its towers will reset. Once re-joining their old alliance or joining a new alliance, it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal."
Source
So how does KenZoku have sov after one day?
That is dumb, KenZoku is a "new" alliance, their POS should only be able to claim SOV after the 7 days.
edit: spelling |
Eabha
Demonic Corp G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2009.02.06 19:23:00 -
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Quote: They created the new alliance, brought in all the old members, and now those same towers will begin to exert sov on behalf of the new alliance.
Not quite new nor recreated since KenZoku ( or I'm a blind BoB fan girl) was founded 2008-12-08? |
bff Jill
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Posted - 2009.02.06 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Eabha
Quote: They created the new alliance, brought in all the old members, and now those same towers will begin to exert sov on behalf of the new alliance.
Not quite new nor recreated since KenZoku ( or I'm a blind BoB fan girl) was founded 2008-12-08?
conspiracy!!1
Bob did this on purpose so they could be renamed to ken!
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Prototype X54C
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Posted - 2009.02.06 19:32:00 -
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This is going to be funny. Bet 50 Isk that Delve will be 100% Kenzoku controlled in a few weeks, with the only difference being the name of the alliance controlling it.
Goons fail at everything.
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De Guantanamo
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Posted - 2009.02.06 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Prototype X54C This is going to be funny. Bet 50 Isk that Delve will be 100% Kenzoku controlled in a few weeks, with the only difference being the name of the alliance controlling it.
Goons fail at everything.
hows 500 million isk sound? |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.06 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeon truth
Tbh the leadership of the Goons dropped the ball big time on this one. If they had a director level defector why in the name of all that is holy and logical did they not farm him for information and then use his trusted position to undermine the already shakey conditions in the bob alliance due to all the infighting even further. With time and just the slightest bit of effort the Goons could have found out about all the backup plans and with a bit of patience could have pre-positioned all its assets for a huge push right near downtime timed right to the second that bob was disbanded. Cyno alts that were planted in the cyno jammed systems could online and hotdrop a massive invasion force organized for a long siege filled with cap ships and towers and all manner of things to stake a claim right in the middle of Delve. These attacks would be against lightly defended key systems reducing them to rubble in a flash by using inside information that would have been provided by long planning and subterfuge on the dicrectors part. God knows how many other humiliating details could have been hashed out for an utter and devastating offensive to scatter bob to the four corners of empire and plant the goon flag firmly and forever in Delve.
However the goon leadership settled for a nice picture frame with a BoB ceritficate in it and a cheesy mp3 instead.
Are there words in any language that can even begin to describe the what level of /fail that is? I sure as hell can't find them and I gotz all sorts of lovely descriptive words in my head. |
Kuar Z'thain
Destructive Influence KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.06 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: De Guantanamo
Originally by: Prototype X54C This is going to be funny. Bet 50 Isk that Delve will be 100% Kenzoku controlled in a few weeks, with the only difference being the name of the alliance controlling it.
Goons fail at everything.
hows 500 million isk sound?
I'll take a piece of that.
Shall we use Chribba?
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Ghaelsto Kakram
Mindgamers
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Posted - 2009.02.06 20:51:00 -
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Save Delve? Yes you Ken!
Sorry, someone took 'Ken, where is Barbie' joke already. |
Lady Aja
Caldari Hannibals Pirates Damnation of Souls
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Posted - 2009.02.06 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Prototype X54C This is going to be funny. Bet 50 Isk that Delve will be 100% Kenzoku controlled in a few weeks, with the only difference being the name of the alliance controlling it.
Goons fail at everything.
i thought they are winsauce at failing and being F.A.G'S "f*cking Arrogant Goons"
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Celestal
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Posted - 2009.02.06 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: CrabClaw McGraw What does KenZoku mean?
It sounds suspiciously like some kind of japanese mantrain ? |
Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.06 23:03:00 -
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Regarding the original question about how KenZoku could gain sov in a single day:
Simple. The mechanics say that only POSes that have been in place for at least seven days count toward sov. You'll note that in this case, all of the POSes BoB had stayed in place when BoB disolved, and were still in place when KenZoku formed, and all were still set to claim ssov. Thus every single POS they had met the seven-day-old requirement instantly, and sov was claimed during DT with no additional delay.
This almost never happens, and really it can only happen when corps leave an alliance (for whatever reason) and join another alliance. Which brings up an interesting point: a corp that is single-handedly claiming sov for an alliance (or has a majority of the sov-claiming POSes) can deliberately leave that alliance and join a competing alliance, flipping sov from one alliance to the other (albeit at level 1) in a single day.
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Genya Arikaido
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Posted - 2009.02.06 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: CrabClaw McGraw What does KenZoku mean?
It means something like 'family'. Where in English we might say a resturant is a "Family Resturant", Kenzoku replaces the word "Family" in Japanese.
-Only the anonymous can be taken objectively and unbiased. |
ceaon
Gallente Porandor
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Posted - 2009.02.06 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: But Sects Let's put all drama beside us for a moment, to answer an honest question.
How is it the KenZoku Alliance (where most of former BOB corps have moved to) has taken sovereignty in Delve, in just one day?
From the Knowledgebase Article: "If a corporation leaves an alliance or switches to a new alliance, the sovereignty claim on all of its towers will reset. Once re-joining their old alliance or joining a new alliance, it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal."
Source
So how does KenZoku have sov after one day?
nice find sir i hope you reported this bug to CCP |
ceaon
Gallente Porandor
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Posted - 2009.02.06 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Farrellus Cameron Edited by: Farrellus Cameron on 06/02/2009 18:26:22 The knowledgebase is wrong. This has happened before. One notable example is Red Alliance and AAA. When major corps in RA left, they lost sov in the many outposts and systems, including a couple in the RIT cluster in Feythabolis. The day after losing sov there, AAA gained sov in those systems because the corps had joined AAA.
You can see how it changed from 8/18/2008: http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/20080818.png
To 8/19/2008: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/20080819.png
One more mechanic CCP needs to fix. Doncha just love how CCP won't even acknowledge something is broken until there is a catastrophe?
if you already know this bug you should report this to CCP, any bug have to be reported when you find them plz read the EULA |
Khanidee
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Posted - 2009.02.06 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: CrabClaw McGraw What does KenZoku mean?
It's an ancient Tibetan phrase often used by the elder priests and wisemen when refering to asshats in space. |
Jimmy Roan
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Posted - 2009.02.06 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Khanidee
Originally by: CrabClaw McGraw What does KenZoku mean?
It's an ancient Tibetan phrase often used by the elder priests and wisemen when refering to asshats in space.
I suppose it's an amazing coincidence that Khanidee means exactly the same thing?
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Puscas Marin
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Posted - 2009.02.06 23:51:00 -
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digg is up
waiting CCP response on this
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elohllird
Destructive Influence KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.06 23:56:00 -
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Edited by: elohllird on 06/02/2009 23:56:49
Originally by: Puscas Marin digg is up
waiting CCP response on this
Hey thats some funny stuff dude, think you should petition
edit- o you have GJ
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Puscas Marin
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Posted - 2009.02.07 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: elohllird
Hey thats some funny stuff dude, think you should petition
done thx for remind me that
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Antonia Frak
Republic University
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Posted - 2009.02.07 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Puscas Marin digg is up
waiting CCP response on this
You have to be an alt of "Cosy", the drama-llama comedian.
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Puscas Marin
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Posted - 2009.02.07 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Antonia Frak
Originally by: Puscas Marin digg is up
waiting CCP response on this
You have to be an alt of "Cosy"
if you say
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Secondary ISprimary
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Posted - 2009.02.07 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Antonia Frak
Originally by: Puscas Marin digg is up
waiting CCP response on this
You have to be an alt of "Cosy"
i am cosy's alt also
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MataSanos
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Posted - 2009.02.07 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Secondary ISprimary
Originally by: Antonia Frak
Originally by: Puscas Marin digg is up
waiting CCP response on this
You have to be an alt of "Cosy"
i am cosy's alt also
I am Spartacus . . . . .i mean Cosy's alt
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Cadde
Gallente Gene Works AKA-AHN KINGDOM
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Posted - 2009.02.07 00:19:00 -
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If you guys took one minute to skim through the posts made here before replying you would find a reasonable argument that explains WHY they have sov 1 already. Still, i think it would be smart by CCP to come forwards and make it official since it is working as intended but will spark a conspiracy theory that can become a problem later on if it is left to smolder.
DO YOUR FRIGGIN HOMEWORK BEFORE YOU MAKE CLAIMS!
PS. I am neither pro BoB nor pro Goons, but game mechanics is game mechanics. Stick to the facts.
//Cadde --------------- Opinions? Yes they belong to me, not my corp! |
Mire Stoude
Cash Money Brothers
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Posted - 2009.02.07 00:22:00 -
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I've participated in losing lots of stations, Sov always ticked over after DT when the enemy alliance had more towers.
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2009.02.07 00:28:00 -
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Edited by: Khlitouris RegusII on 07/02/2009 00:30:42 Edited by: Khlitouris RegusII on 07/02/2009 00:29:53
Originally by: Antonia Frak
Originally by: Puscas Marin digg is up
waiting CCP response on this
You have to be an alt of "Cosy", the drama-llama comedian.
so bob ' loosed' there space and today kenzoku 'tightened' it up whats wrong with that?
******s that can't spell shouldn't be allowed on the net tbh.
That's R.e.t.a.r.d.s. |
Elise Randolph
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.07 00:29:00 -
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Knowledge base is right about everything, always, and forever. |
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Jimmy Roan
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Posted - 2009.02.07 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII
Originally by: Antonia Frak
Originally by: Puscas Marin digg is up
waiting CCP response on this
You have to be an alt of "Cosy", the drama-llama comedian.
so bob ' loosed' there space and today kenzoku 'tightened' it up whats wrong with that?
You don't understand how it works so you should read the rest of this thread and maybe the one in COAD and shutup until you understand it. |
Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.02.07 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: CrabClaw McGraw What does KenZoku mean?
Afaict it's a random collection of letters. |
Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2009.02.07 00:32:00 -
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Edited by: Khlitouris RegusII on 07/02/2009 00:33:01
Originally by: Jimmy Roan
Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII
Originally by: Antonia Frak
Originally by: Puscas Marin digg is up
waiting CCP response on this
You have to be an alt of "Cosy", the drama-llama comedian.
so bob ' loosed' there space and today kenzoku 'tightened' it up whats wrong with that?
You don't understand how it works so you should read the rest of this thread and maybe the one in COAD and shutup until you understand it.
Another ****** that cant spell, if you dont know how it works you should L2R(Learn To Read ) for the ******s. |
Dartago
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.02.07 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII Edited by: Khlitouris RegusII on 07/02/2009 00:30:42 Edited by: Khlitouris RegusII on 07/02/2009 00:29:53
Originally by: Antonia Frak
Originally by: Puscas Marin digg is up
waiting CCP response on this
You have to be an alt of "Cosy", the drama-llama comedian.
so bob ' loosed' there space and today kenzoku 'tightened' it up whats wrong with that?
******s that can't spell shouldn't be allowed on the net tbh.
That's R.e.t.a.r.d.s.
nothing, however the goon alt squad are desperatly trying to undo there epicfail of taking on delve |
Jimmy Roan
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Posted - 2009.02.07 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII
Another ****** that cant spell, if you dont know how it works tyou should L2R(Learn To Read ) for the ******s.
Nice, when I quoted I didn't lay into the persons spelling because I tend to screw up the odd word here or there.
Might want to think about that.
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2009.02.07 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jimmy Roan
Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII
Another ****** that cant spell, if you dont know how it works tyou should L2R(Learn To Read ) for the ******s.
Nice, when I quoted I didn't lay into the persons spelling because I tend to screw up the odd word here or there.
Might want to think about that.
When you get it give me a ring i wont wait up though.
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Jimmy Roan
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Posted - 2009.02.07 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII
Originally by: Jimmy Roan
Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII
Another ****** that cant spell, if you dont know how it works tyou should L2R(Learn To Read ) for the ******s.
Nice, when I quoted I didn't lay into the persons spelling because I tend to screw up the odd word here or there.
Might want to think about that.
When you get it give me a ring i wont wait up though.
Sensible choice as you do look tired and it's affecting your spelling.
Good night sleep well
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Arkeladin
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Posted - 2009.02.07 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: De Guantanamo
Originally by: Prototype X54C This is going to be funny. Bet 50 Isk that Delve will be 100% Kenzoku controlled in a few weeks, with the only difference being the name of the alliance controlling it.
Goons fail at everything.
hows 500 million isk sound?
Like less than selling two PLEX carsds (last price quote in Jita: 328mil per card).
500 mil is PEANUTS, when any n00b can sell a GTC or two PLEX cards and get more.
Get some sense of scale - now if the heist had been in the billions, THEN it'd be worth mentioining.
As it is, Goonfleet failed.
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digitalwanderer
Gallente Eve Corporation200901210
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Posted - 2009.02.07 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeon To my understanding, here is the mechanic for Sov.
A tower must be up for 7 days before it can contribute to SOV. There is no proviso for tower ownership in this.
If a non-aligned corp has a tower in a system for, say, a month... there will be no sov because you cannot claim sov at the corp level.
HOWEVER...
If that corp joins an alliance... and if that corp has a tower that has been anchored for more than 7 days... that tower will begin to factor into Sov calculations the following downtime.
Now, if that system were unclaimed (no sov), then that one tower would stake a claim and start the system at Sov 1.
While BOB may be no more, their towers have been anchored for well over the 7 day minimum. They created the new alliance, brought in all the old members, and now those same towers will begin to exert sov on behalf of the new alliance.
Yes... the sov ticker will start at Sov 1... but that is at least 6 days ahead of any Sov claim a hostile tower could begin to exert.
New-BoB will probably not have to retake stations/outposts even, if they have brought the station owning corps into the fold of the new alliance.
While this move has put BoB (now "new bob"... or "nova-bob") back on their heels, its not a "fait acomplis" that they are losing Delve.
Now the POS spamming begins.
Have fun with that...
Keep in mind though that those towers have to be refuled every 2~3 weeks maximum,and there are literally hundreds to fuel up between all those systems.
With hostiles in the area and the ability for said hostiles to jump in capital ships since there's no cyno jammers protecting the region,and there's also valuable capital shipyards to protect,i suspect that Kenzoku members are going to be pushed to the very limit of what's possible if they want to keep control of delve,but time will tell. |
Erica 'cowpig'Lafehr
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Posted - 2009.02.07 03:52:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeon truth
Tbh the leadership of the Goons dropped the ball big time on this one. If they had a director level defector why in the name of all that is holy and logical did they not farm him for information and then use his trusted position to undermine the already shakey conditions in the bob alliance due to all the infighting even further. With time and just the slightest bit of effort the Goons could have found out about all the backup plans and with a bit of patience could have pre-positioned all its assets for a huge push right near downtime timed right to the second that bob was disbanded. Cyno alts that were planted in the cyno jammed systems could online and hotdrop a massive invasion force organized for a long siege filled with cap ships and towers and all manner of things to stake a claim right in the middle of Delve. These attacks would be against lightly defended key systems reducing them to rubble in a flash by using inside information that would have been provided by long planning and subterfuge on the dicrectors part. God knows how many other humiliating details could have been hashed out for an utter and devastating offensive to scatter bob to the four corners of empire and plant the goon flag firmly and forever in Delve.
However the goon leadership settled for a nice picture frame with a BoB ceritficate in it and a cheesy mp3 instead.
Are there words in any language that can even begin to describe the what level of /fail that is? I sure as hell can't find them and I gotz all sorts of lovely descriptive words in my head.
Why yes there is. Obama, liberalism, democrats, bail out, mortgage industry, BoB. Shall I keep going on with descriptions of fail? |
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.07 05:11:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Erica 'cowpig'Lafehr
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeon truth
Tbh the leadership of the Goons dropped the ball big time on this one. If they had a director level defector why in the name of all that is holy and logical did they not farm him for information and then use his trusted position to undermine the already shakey conditions in the bob alliance due to all the infighting even further. With time and just the slightest bit of effort the Goons could have found out about all the backup plans and with a bit of patience could have pre-positioned all its assets for a huge push right near downtime timed right to the second that bob was disbanded. Cyno alts that were planted in the cyno jammed systems could online and hotdrop a massive invasion force organized for a long siege filled with cap ships and towers and all manner of things to stake a claim right in the middle of Delve. These attacks would be against lightly defended key systems reducing them to rubble in a flash by using inside information that would have been provided by long planning and subterfuge on the dicrectors part. God knows how many other humiliating details could have been hashed out for an utter and devastating offensive to scatter bob to the four corners of empire and plant the goon flag firmly and forever in Delve.
However the goon leadership settled for a nice picture frame with a BoB ceritficate in it and a cheesy mp3 instead.
Are there words in any language that can even begin to describe the what level of /fail that is? I sure as hell can't find them and I gotz all sorts of lovely descriptive words in my head.
Why yes there is. Obama, liberalism, democrats, bail out, mortgage industry, BoB. Shall I keep going on with descriptions of fail?
Lol! I see the slow painful burn of realization has finally sank into the pit of the quicker witted goonies stomachs and the confused misdirected emorage is strong. How does it feel after the suger rush of 'nyah nyah we got yer name bob lolololol you are no more!' has wore off leaving only the bitter aftertaste of things that could have been if only the goons leadership hadn't tried to chew the whole pack of gum in one gulp leaving none for later. Evil wicked embarrasing plot upon evil wicked embarasing plot upon even eviler wickeder hide yor face forevah plots all wasted on a single ill thought out grab for a useless title, some pocket change and a childish mp3 leaving all its lands and its defenders scott free to regroup at will and stop you in your tracks. Delve could have been yours Goonswarm. Always remember that every time you log off and every time you lose yet another operation to take Delve. It litteraly could have been all yours for the price of a bit of patience and forethought to take full advantage of having a TRAITOROUS DIRECTOR OF BOB in your ranks. Now all of that is impossible and you will have to rely on all the same old tricks to take Delve that have never before and never will work. Well I guess I will count this as a 'HIT! I just sank your Leadership!' vs the goonies. Enjoy watching KenZoku sov inevitably climb its way back up to four.
Night goonies and I hope you have sweet pleasent dreams of what could have been.. |
bff Jill
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Posted - 2009.02.07 05:25:00 -
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Edited by: bff Jill on 07/02/2009 05:25:24 I think bob should have picked a much more arrogant and pretentious name for themselves since they had this chance to reform under a new alliance name. Its silly and a joke when a bunch of nublars pick a powerful name for their alliance/corp/whatever. But bob could have pulled it off and we could have had a truly awe inspiring superpower to complain about instead of just some guy.
Also i don't recall zeba being so terrifying before |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.07 05:34:00 -
[63]
Originally by: bff Jill I think bob should have picked a much more arrogant and pretentious name for themselves since they had this chance to reform under a new alliance name. Its silly and a joke when a bunch of nublars pick a powerful name for their alliance/corp/whatever. But bob could have pulled it off and we could have had a truly awe inspiring superpower to complain about instead of just some guy.
Yeah twas a bit of a letdown but they always had that oriental flavor going on with reikoku and such. Ahh well I'll still be kos regardless so to new bob.
Quote: Also i don't recall zeba being so terrifying before
Sorry. Its the corp name I picked at work so I gotta start living up to it now that m10 is so close. A bite steel in half attitude might come in handy in w-space. |
Miss Cenuij
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Posted - 2009.02.07 05:37:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Celestal
Originally by: CrabClaw McGraw What does KenZoku mean?
It sounds suspiciously like some kind of japanese mantrain ?
LoL , now thats funny , say it out loud. |
panterus29
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.07 05:41:00 -
[65]
Edited by: panterus29 on 07/02/2009 05:47:09
"(Originally by: Erica 'cowpig'Lafehr
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeontruth
Tbh the leadership of the Goons dropped the ball big time on this one. If they had a director level defector why in the name of all that is holy and logical did they not farm him for information and then use his trusted position to undermine the already shakey conditions in the bob alliance due to all the infighting even further. With time and just the slightest bit of effort the Goons could have found out about all the backup plans and with a bit of patience could have pre-positioned all its assets for a huge push right near downtime timed right to the second that bob was disbanded. Cyno alts that were planted in the cyno jammed systems could online and hotdrop a massive invasion force organized for a long siege filled with cap ships and towers and all manner of things to stake a claim right in the middle of Delve. These attacks would be against lightly defended key systems reducing them to rubble in a flash by using inside information that would have been provided by long planning and subterfuge on the dicrectors part. God knows how many other humiliating details could have been hashed out for an utter and devastating offensive to scatter bob to the four corners of empire and plant the goon flag firmly and forever in Delve.
However the goon leadership settled for a nice picture frame with a BoB ceritficate in it and a cheesy mp3 instead.
Are there words in any language that can even begin to describe the what level of /fail that is? I sure as hell can't find them and I gotz all sorts of lovely descriptive words in my head. Shocked
Why yes there is. Obama, liberalism, democrats, bail out, mortgage industry, BoB. Shall I keep going on with descriptions of fail?
Lol! I see the slow painful burn of realization has finally sank into the pit of the quicker witted goonies stomachs and the confused misdirected emorage is strong. How does it feel after the suger rush of 'nyah nyah we got yer name bob lolololol you are no more!' has wore off leaving only the bitter aftertaste of things that could have been if only the goons leadership hadn't tried to chew the whole pack of gum in one gulp leaving none for later. Evil wicked embarrasing plot upon evil wicked embarasing plot upon even eviler wickeder hide yor face forevah plots all wasted on a single ill thought out grab for a useless title, some pocket change and a childish mp3 leaving all its lands and its defenders scott free to regroup at will and stop you in your tracks. Delve could have been yours Goonswarm. Always remember that every time you log off and every time you lose yet another operation to take Delve. It litteraly could have been all yours for the price of a bit of patience and forethought to take full advantage of having a TRAITOROUS DIRECTOR OF BOB in your ranks. Now all of that is impossible and you will have to rely on all the same old tricks to take Delve that have never before and never will work. Well I guess I will count this as a 'HIT! I just sank your Leadership!' vs the goonies. Enjoy watching KenZoku sov inevitably climb its way back up to four.
Night goonies and I hope you have sweet pleasent dreams of what could have been..Laughing)"
did you consider by chance that the traitorous BoB director may have already been on shaky ground since he created an alt to try and get in to Goonswarm so he could defect in the first place the smash and grab technique was just outdone in a major way they did more to BoB than anyone else has ever done to an alliance over night i think they are very happy with that actually i would be if i was Mittani or one of the other guys even if i saw potential for better next time around :)
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.07 05:53:00 -
[66]
Originally by: panterus29 did you consider by chance that the traitorous BoB director may have already been on shacky ground since he created an alt to try and get in to Goonswarm so he could defect in the first place the smash and grab technique was just outdone in a major way they did more to BoB than anyone else has ever done to an alliance over night i think they are very happy with that actually i would be if i was Mittani or one of the other guys even if i saw potential for bettr next time around :)
Let me spin a little parable about how unbelievably badly this was done. Imagine its the height of the cold war and somehow the ruskies got one of Reagans closest advisers to defect. This guy has access to everything and I mean everything that would be needed for russia to launch a devastating unbeatable strike against which the united states would have had absolutely no defense. However.. Instead they tell him to bring the original copy of the constitution and declaration of independance plus whatever silver is in the drawers. Once in russia they make a video tape of the politburo tearing up the documents and claiming america is finally dead we have destroyed them once and for all as they dance and cavort on top of the big table giggling and taking shots of vodka.
Do you understand the utter inexcusable waste of potential that just happened now? |
panterus31
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Posted - 2009.02.07 06:10:00 -
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Edited by: panterus31 on 07/02/2009 06:11:38
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: panterus29 did you consider by chance that the traitorous BoB director may have already been on shacky ground since he created an alt to try and get in to Goonswarm so he could defect in the first place the smash and grab technique was just outdone in a major way they did more to BoB than anyone else has ever done to an alliance over night i think they are very happy with that actually i would be if i was Mittani or one of the other guys even if i saw potential for bettr next time around :)
Let me spin a little parable about how unbelievably badly this was done. Imagine its the height of the cold war and somehow the ruskies got one of Reagans closest advisers to defect. This guy has access to everything and I mean everything that would be needed for russia to launch a devastating unbeatable strike against which the united states would have had absolutely no defense. However.. Instead they tell him to bring the original copy of the constitution and declaration of independance plus whatever silver is in the drawers. Once in russia they make a video tape of the politburo tearing up the documents and claiming america is finally dead we have destroyed them once and for all as they dance and cavort on top of the big table giggling and taking shots of vodka.
Do you understand the utter inexcusable waste of potential that just happened now?
but in this case the director didnt if you have been listening you may have heard he was alienated by the alliance and was losing his power within it, he still had access to many thing and turned it all over to the Goons. if you ask me he did the most that he could and the Goons stretched as far as they could in the limited hours they had before d/t. my father worked in the intelligence field aiding the CIA during the cold war cold war and most of what happened during that period makes what the Goonswarm did look like the height of espionage to tell you the truth. I think if they thought they had a shot at using him for long term undercover ops they would have used the opportunity but they actually said on the radio that this seemed very unlikely and has failed for most people in the past so they did what could be done in 4 1/2 hrs and removed the name BoB from the sov map and stole a good deal of ISK and capitol ships while they were at it also did their best to alienate one corp from another even if only for a limited time. If the truth be known there are no operations in the cold war that were that successful in that short of a period of time.(of course considering game mechanics are not as intense as what one might face if they found themselves in a government office in russia and decided to defect from there and take what they could, sry the game is not that real yet)
edit: wrong faceand bad spelling and grammar sry
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.07 06:41:00 -
[68]
Originally by: panterus31
Fair enough on the long term plans though I still think with proper coaching the traitor could have improved his attitude towards bob and gotten back in good graces for ruinous effect. Say the goons set up some conveneint small victorys for him to claim against them to regain his power and bobs trust or any other number of ways an intelligent man on the inside could wiggle back into good grace. But eh those opportunitys are all past history now so lets focus on what did happen. Ok, lets me tell you what I thought was happening at the time. I knew someone had defected and killed the alliance so all the sov would dissapear and vastly improve the chances to make a successful smash and grab invasion that would have a really good possibility of holding some territory. I imagined that the goons probably had this guy for at least a few days or weeks and was pumping him for all the tactical and strategic knowledge he had as a well thought out contingency plan worked out long in advance was being put into rapid motion to take advantage of the one shot no sov opportunity. Once all the assets had been placed and were ready to go the traitor would kill the alliance as the prepositioned goon forces poured into a completely off guard and in moast cases undefended Delve. Much sporadic fighting would happen as the word slowly spread among bobs member though tbh by that time it would have been far too late. Massive hit to bob and now the Goons have a big chunk of it with the rest only a matter of time.
But this is what happened. They flushed out a bob spy who was really a defector and as they plotted to spraypaint bob is dead all over the forums and make an mp3 to rub it in he killed the alliance and did the gtfo routine. Chaos reigns and people slowly realize 'hey maybe we should like you know go try to take some of that territory? ya know?'. The leadership pauses in its prancing and goes 'oh yeah forgot about that part we were too busy stealing bob name. Well put out a standard goon op flash in corp mail and tell them to just blob anything that moves in Delve. What plan to tell them to use? Plan? No don't worry about a plan or anything bob is dead after all we just won.'
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.02.07 07:41:00 -
[69]
The KB is not correct, hasn't been for years on this and it was pointed out in various discussions after BoB disbanded and KenZoku formed in COAD (well you might argue it was arguments not discussions but it is how it works.)
Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.07 08:49:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeon To my understanding, here is the mechanic for Sov.
A tower must be up for 7 days before it can contribute to SOV. There is no proviso for tower ownership in this.
If a non-aligned corp has a tower in a system for, say, a month... there will be no sov because you cannot claim sov at the corp level.
HOWEVER...
If that corp joins an alliance... and if that corp has a tower that has been anchored for more than 7 days... that tower will begin to factor into Sov calculations the following downtime.
Now, if that system were unclaimed (no sov), then that one tower would stake a claim and start the system at Sov 1.
While BOB may be no more, their towers have been anchored for well over the 7 day minimum. They created the new alliance, brought in all the old members, and now those same towers will begin to exert sov on behalf of the new alliance.
Yes... the sov ticker will start at Sov 1... but that is at least 6 days ahead of any Sov claim a hostile tower could begin to exert.
New-BoB will probably not have to retake stations/outposts even, if they have brought the station owning corps into the fold of the new alliance.
While this move has put BoB (now "new bob"... or "nova-bob") back on their heels, its not a "fait acomplis" that they are losing Delve.
Now the POS spamming begins.
Have fun with that...
my questions are : the KB talk about a reset when a crop leave a alliance, when this reset happen ? and what actually means this reset ?
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Boma Airaken
The Divine Comedy Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2009.02.07 08:55:00 -
[71]
The KB was last updated when you could put 2 MWD's and cruise launchers on a kestrel. Quit with the sensationalism already.
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Flex Carter
Caldari Caldari Independant Mining Association
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Posted - 2009.02.07 09:04:00 -
[72]
Originally by: panterus29
did you consider by chance that the traitorous BoB director may have already been on shaky ground since he created an alt to try and get in to Goonswarm so he could defect in the first place the smash and grab technique was just outdone in a major way they did more to BoB than anyone else has ever done to an alliance over night i think they are very happy with that actually i would be if i was Mittani or one of the other guys even if i saw potential for better next time around :)
edit: wrong quote at first and some bad spelling
Why is everyone giving props to Goonswarn, for this undertaking when as you posted, this was done by a traitorous member with directorship roles. He could've chose any number of capable NC Alliance to defect to but he contacted them and then hatched his plan. If anything, give mad kudos to him... So, I would say "He" did more to BoB than anyone else has ever done to an alliance over night... Much is said about all the other Corp-thefts that have come before him.
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Wicked Mover
Amarr The Scraelings
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Posted - 2009.02.07 11:27:00 -
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If the 400 capship theft number is correct, the goons had something legit to gloat about let alone everything else. This is going to be interesting. When BoB gets back on their feet (if they are not already) I think they may have a more focused strategy than of late - that is a complete focus on killing goons and letting the rest slide.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.07 11:56:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Wicked Mover If the 400 capship theft number is correct, the goons had something legit to gloat about let alone everything else.
I know how Chinese whispers works and stuff, but 400 is a hell of a leap from the dozen or so dreads that were actually taken. |
Vele Nori
Amarr Dakinii
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Posted - 2009.02.07 12:10:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Flex Carter Why is everyone giving props to Goonswarn, for this undertaking when as you posted, this was done by a traitorous member with directorship roles. He could've chose any number of capable NC Alliance to defect to but he contacted them and then hatched his plan. If anything, give mad kudos to him... So, I would say "He" did more to BoB than anyone else has ever done to an alliance over night... Much is said about all the other Corp-thefts that have come before him.
he defected to goons, yes, but it was goons who then came up with the plan on how best to use the tools he has given them to dissolve BoB as alliance
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Tyson Gallane
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.02.07 12:20:00 -
[76]
5000 capships!!!
T.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.07 12:22:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Tyson Gallane 5000 capships!!!
T.
OVER 9000!!
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Disteeler
Segunda Fundacion Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2009.02.07 12:59:00 -
[78]
And they will reprocess them all and build kestrels!!!! |
Dr Slaughter
Minmatar Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.07 13:32:00 -
[79]
fofofofofofofo foiled again...
am I doing this right?
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Nephilius
Caldari Grey Legionaires
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Posted - 2009.02.07 14:52:00 -
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Really, it just seems to me like there is a total lack of subtlety on both sides of that conflict. The ones who say that Goons could have done more are right...they could have with time. It makes me think of a conflict between Russia and China...both countries with massives amounts of manpower at their beck and call, but lacking any finesse short of throwing bodies at each other.
My question is...if this turncoat was in such ill-standing with BoB, why in God's name would you send him to be a spy? Why not someone with good standing and a strong tie to BoB? Not knowing all the details, I can only speculate...maybe the agent started losing standing after he was in place. Or maybe he had a good game face on for BoB but was already a Goon by then. If the former stands, then maybe he should have lost roles within BoB to prevent such an occurence, if its the latter, well, then the Goon have egg on their face for not utilizing him more, as mentioned before.
Or maybe the whole thing was a dog and pony show. |
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Pharago
Piratas Leprosos Guineanos
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Posted - 2009.02.07 16:50:00 -
[81]
in any case, all of this has been the biggest blow given to bob since the MC rebelion, all in a somewhat lucky shot, it will take them a few weeks to recover from it, if they do recover maybe this will steer their morale and wake the f*** up, maybe make them as bad ass as they were supossed to be maybe they just wanted to change the name and ticker of their alliance 500mil and a few dreads...i think that should be peanuts for them influence map now shows some holes into delve, some alliances have moved in and claimed a few systems, i dont think they could have done that on their own before the disband hat trick we will see what happens next, after all this is just a game |
Altpor
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Posted - 2009.02.08 02:43:00 -
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My only complaint is BoB watching way too much anime. That's really lame dudes, cartoons are for children.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.08 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: Altpor My only complaint is BoB watching way too much anime. That's really lame dudes, cartoons are for children.
This is true. Alot of anime has that cutesy big eye oriental thing going on with the silly plot if there even is a plot to be silly. But then again those were made for children so it makes sense. Well up until the point it gets an m rating for mature. There are some bloody good mature anime and non-anime made strictly for adults and no I don't mean wacking off to some hentai though that can be some hilarious stuff to watch for the lulz. Orientals seems to have this fixation on tentacles and young girls in school uniforms.
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Altpor
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Posted - 2009.02.08 03:16:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Altpor My only complaint is BoB watching way too much anime. That's really lame dudes, cartoons are for children.
This is true. Alot of anime has that cutesy big eye oriental thing going on with the silly plot if there even is a plot to be silly. But then again those were made for children so it makes sense. Well up until the point it gets an m rating for mature. There are some bloody good mature anime and non-anime made strictly for adults and no I don't mean wacking off to some hentai though that can be some hilarious stuff to watch for the lulz. Orientals seems to have this fixation on tentacles and young girls in school uniforms.
No bro all anime sucks
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.08 03:17:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Altpor
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Altpor My only complaint is BoB watching way too much anime. That's really lame dudes, cartoons are for children.
This is true. Alot of anime has that cutesy big eye oriental thing going on with the silly plot if there even is a plot to be silly. But then again those were made for children so it makes sense. Well up until the point it gets an m rating for mature. There are some bloody good mature anime and non-anime made strictly for adults and no I don't mean wacking off to some hentai though that can be some hilarious stuff to watch for the lulz. Orientals seems to have this fixation on tentacles and young girls in school uniforms.
No bro all anime sucks
I like hot tea you like milk. Who is right?
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Jimmy Roan
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Posted - 2009.02.08 03:18:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Altpor My only complaint is BoB watching way too much anime. That's really lame dudes, cartoons are for children.
So are computer games nub
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.08 03:19:00 -
[87]
Damnit man I was hoping to lure him into letting me drop that one. Bastage.
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Pristine Nippletub
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Posted - 2009.02.08 03:41:00 -
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I can't believe how many pathetic, brainless mutants keep trying to compare this to real life situations. In real life you can't meta-game ho. That is what makes a game fun. Goons struck a blow right into bob's sack (small problem). The fact that it may not entirely kill what used to be bob doesn't change the fact that the whole situation is utterly hilarious. The idea that goons could have been more devastating is alright...if you are frothing at the mouth and have diarhea of the mind. Who knows if anything good would have happened if they had made a big plan. Ever think of the idea of other spies catching wind and them losing a director level spy? What the goons knew is that they could tear a second, slightly smaller a-hole into bob if they took quick action. Since they did take quick action we have another alliance with an oriental sounding name, and bob lost a bunch of stuff in production, as well as the assets that he took. If you can't sit back and laugh at this, then you are probably a bob fanboy, or just a hapless gorilla with nothing on your mind other than bananas.
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Altpor
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Posted - 2009.02.08 03:49:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Jimmy Roan
Originally by: Altpor My only complaint is BoB watching way too much anime. That's really lame dudes, cartoons are for children.
So are computer games nub
at least MY COMPUTER GAMES don't have overtones of pedophilia
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Jimmy Roan
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Posted - 2009.02.08 04:00:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Altpor
Originally by: Jimmy Roan
Originally by: Altpor My only complaint is BoB watching way too much anime. That's really lame dudes, cartoons are for children.
So are computer games nub
at least MY COMPUTER GAMES don't have overtones of pedophilia
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.08 04:02:00 -
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Originally by: Pristine Nippletub I can't believe how many pathetic, brainless mutants keep trying to compare this to real life situations. In real life you can't meta-game ho. That is what makes a game fun. Goons struck a blow right into bob's sack (small problem). The fact that it may not entirely kill what used to be bob doesn't change the fact that the whole situation is utterly hilarious. The idea that goons could have been more devastating is alright...if you are frothing at the mouth and have diarhea of the mind. Who knows if anything good would have happened if they had made a big plan. Ever think of the idea of other spies catching wind and them losing a director level spy? What the goons knew is that they could tear a second, slightly smaller a-hole into bob if they took quick action. Since they did take quick action we have another alliance with an oriental sounding name, and bob lost a bunch of stuff in production, as well as the assets that he took. If you can't sit back and laugh at this, then you are probably a bob fanboy, or just a hapless gorilla with nothing on your mind other than bananas.
-Pristine
I thought it was hilarious now just as I thought it was hilarious when it happened. Goons or Kenzuko who cares im kos to everyone in 0.0 so I have no sides to pick. Was it an embarresment to kenzuko for the goons of all entities to steal bobs name? Sure. Was it also an embarresment for the Goons to only take a couple of rolls of quarters and the useless deed to a gold mine they still can't reach when they robbed the bank using a corrupt bank manager when they had the golden opportunity to not only rob this one bank blind but to own all the banks in every town across bob land. That sir is the epic epic /fail on the part of the goons leadership. On a side note I will hope that if any of your corp mates happen to recognise your forum alt they will take you out of any planning sessions and contingency plan think tanks with the stuff you just spouted in that short paragraph.
p.s. Thanks for the snipe.
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Enkidu Uruksen
Wakizashi Renaissance
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Posted - 2009.02.08 05:03:00 -
[92]
As long as we're doing silly analogies, how about this one?
The Goons are well-known to be the Vandals and Visigoths of EVE, and they basically had two options:
(1) Use the spy they had in the Senate of Rome to find out where the legions were being deployed until the spy got discovered and crucified.
(2) Blow up the Senate, dissolve the Roman Empire in one stroke, and hand the land back to the Etruscans.
Which plan contains more win for a Vandal?
I'm astonished that some people think GS should have gone for the long-term small advantage, especially since I would expect them to have other spies at various levels of the hierarchy to provide tactical intel.
My next big question is this: did they really come away with only 9 billion as shown in the screenshot of the BNC wallet, or did they find a way to loot the trillion reported in the outside news?
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.08 05:24:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Enkidu Uruksen As long as we're doing silly analogies, how about this one?
The Goons are well-known to be the Vandals and Visigoths of EVE, and they basically had two options:
(1) Use the spy they had in the Senate of Rome to find out where the legions were being deployed until the spy got discovered and crucified.
(2) Blow up the Senate, dissolve the Roman Empire in one stroke, and hand the land back to the Etruscans.
Which plan contains more win for a Vandal?
I'm astonished that some people think GS should have gone for the long-term small advantage, especially since I would expect them to have other spies at various levels of the hierarchy to provide tactical intel.
My next big question is this: did they really come away with only 9 billion as shown in the screenshot of the BNC wallet, or did they find a way to loot the trillion reported in the outside news?
Your are missing the whole point. Not only did the goons **** away any long term plans they totally goofed the immediate short term plans too. It was like they completely forgot that there is a war to knock bob out of Delve and just went for the comedy name grab. My god even a simpleton would have at least organized his forces for a quick coordinated strike timed to the alliance sov drop and not the now obvious after the fact decision of the goons leadership of 'oh yeah I guess we need to actually go to delve now and pew pew the take the territory. Ah well no worries we have seven days so no big hurry.' then they go back to prancing in CAOD.
Whoops!
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Sythyss
Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen
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Posted - 2009.02.08 06:44:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Altpor
Originally by: Jimmy Roan
Originally by: Altpor My only complaint is BoB watching way too much anime. That's really lame dudes, cartoons are for children.
So are computer games nub
at least MY COMPUTER GAMES don't have overtones of pedophilia
there are some computer games out there that have that. I guess ALL computer games are just rubbish now.... |
Altpor
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Posted - 2009.02.08 08:04:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Sythyss
Originally by: Altpor
Originally by: Jimmy Roan
Originally by: Altpor My only complaint is BoB watching way too much anime. That's really lame dudes, cartoons are for children.
So are computer games nub
at least MY COMPUTER GAMES don't have overtones of pedophilia
there are some computer games out there that have that. I guess ALL computer games are just rubbish now....
Name three games. It doesn't help that it's present in just about every single anime in existence. Sorry. |
RoCkEt X
Caldari The Order of Chivalry Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2009.02.08 08:31:00 -
[96]
idiots. Kenzoku already had POS's in the area, when the BOB ones dropped, there is now no competition, hence kenzoku immediately claim sov. yes thats right, the ex-bob corp POS's are currently not influencing sov at all. it is also entirely possible that bob themselves had kenzoku install the towers a long time ago, just incase something like this did actually happen.
does this not take credibility from the goonswarm story?
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari Druuge Crimson Corporation
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Posted - 2009.02.08 09:13:00 -
[97]
heh...Goons spent 23 hours high-fiveing themselves on the forums rather than takeing advantage of what they did.
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Illiya
Caldari GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.02.08 10:31:00 -
[98]
Oh my god you people are absolute morons. This is why no one in 0.0 likes you, because none of you have the slightest clue about game mechanics.
Corps cannot claim sov, but the towers are still there, claiming sov as long as they have been anchored (with sov claim ticked) for 7 days. No alliance means no sov. When the corps join a new alliance, towers immediately claim sov since they have still been anchored for 7 days. So next day, all systems are Sov 1. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.08 10:33:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Illiya Oh my god you people are absolute morons. This is why no one in 0.0 likes you, because none of you have the slightest clue about game mechanics.
Corps cannot claim sov, but the towers are still there, claiming sov as long as they have been anchored (with sov claim ticked) for 7 days. No alliance means no sov. When the corps join a new alliance, towers immediately claim sov since they have still been anchored for 7 days. So next day, all systems are Sov 1.
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Illiya
Caldari GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.02.08 10:54:00 -
[100]
And actually, official CCP documentation is actually wrong about sov claims, as we have found out. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal |
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.08 10:55:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Illiya And actually, official CCP documentation is actually wrong about sov claims, as we have found out.
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Illiya
Caldari GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.02.08 11:00:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Illiya And actually, official CCP documentation is actually wrong about sov claims, as we have found out.
It's true! Even Kenzoku and such will confirm ^_^
e: "If a corporation leaves an alliance or switches to a new alliance, the sovereignty claim on all of its towers will reset. Once re-joining their old alliance or joining a new alliance, it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal."
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.08 11:05:00 -
[103]
Edited by: Zeba on 08/02/2009 11:06:21
Originally by: Illiya
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Illiya And actually, official CCP documentation is actually wrong about sov claims, as we have found out.
It's true! Even Kenzoku and such will confirm ^_^
e: "If a corporation leaves an alliance or switches to a new alliance, the sovereignty claim on all of its towers will reset. Once re-joining their old alliance or joining a new alliance, it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal."
I know. I remember way back when I first started playing and thinking the ship decriptions actually meant something. The dissapointment when I figured out the Maller was indeed not the toughest cruiser in the galaxy when its getting shot at by 9 battleships at a low sec gatecamp was intense. CCP lied to me damn them. Of course I know better nowadays and never trust what I read until I test it out first.
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Illiya
Caldari GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.02.08 11:07:00 -
[104]
ccp would actually do pretty well to simply import the goonfleet wiki as their manual, it's really good. but only so long as they keep all the humorous bits. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.08 11:08:00 -
[105]
Heh..
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Xavier Zedicus
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Posted - 2009.02.08 11:47:00 -
[106]
because the sov claiming towers belong to the corps who promptly switched over to the new alliance |
tla s'hpyt
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Posted - 2009.02.08 12:40:00 -
[107]
So suddenly a feature of eve that allows bob/kenny to survive (which has been used before by alliances and groups on all sides) becomes a bug/cheat now that bob are using it. What surprises me most is how many people believe the goon propaganda machine especially considering the fact that goons openly claim to using psychological warfare.
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Agrilad
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Posted - 2009.02.08 14:59:00 -
[108]
Originally by: But Sects Let's put all drama beside us for a moment, to answer an honest question.
How is it the KenZoku Alliance (where most of former BOB corps have moved to) has taken sovereignty in Delve, in just one day?
From the Knowledgebase Article: "If a corporation leaves an alliance or switches to a new alliance, the sovereignty claim on all of its towers will reset. Once re-joining their old alliance or joining a new alliance, it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal."
Source
So how does KenZoku have sov after one day?
My guess was that the POS's had sovereignty timers that weren't reset. so the moment they were part of alliance they just acted like they had been there long enough.
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Pristine Nippletub
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Posted - 2009.02.09 02:46:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Pristine Nippletub on 09/02/2009 02:47:05
Originally by: Agrilad
Originally by: But Sects Let's put all drama beside us for a moment, to answer an honest question.
How is it the KenZoku Alliance (where most of former BOB corps have moved to) has taken sovereignty in Delve, in just one day?
From the Knowledgebase Article: "If a corporation leaves an alliance or switches to a new alliance, the sovereignty claim on all of its towers will reset. Once re-joining their old alliance or joining a new alliance, it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal."
Source
So how does KenZoku have sov after one day?
My guess was that the POS's had sovereignty timers that weren't reset. so the moment they were part of alliance they just acted like they had been there long enough.
Sweet jesus. Do you smoke crack? How could you post on this topic without noticing that, that issue had already been adressed at least 300 times in the previous 4 pages of topic posts. Was that your whole post or did you actually have something useful to add? I mean jesus tap dancing christ riding a brontosaurus backwards, pay attention will you.
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Alty MacAlterson
Alt Corporation
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Posted - 2009.02.09 02:47:00 -
[110]
Since when has the knowledge base ever been right about anything? |
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Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
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Posted - 2009.02.09 03:05:00 -
[111]
devs didnt help bob.....
On sisi ive dropped a pos and claimed the sov in 1 day. Nothing special. |
Pristine Nippletub
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Posted - 2009.02.09 03:22:00 -
[112]
No one is saying ccp is helping bob/kenz. They are just saying the database is wrong. This has happened before so I don't think that anyone was in anyway insinuating that as the case.
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Pharago
Gallente Piratas Leprosos Guineanos
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Posted - 2009.02.09 13:53:00 -
[113]
as far as i can tell CCP info does not define the case in which towers are already set up, it asumes that towers trying to claim sovereignity are still to be set up, hence the 7 days delay, it does not say anywhere what will happen if the towers were already in place, it is not that the KB is wrong, it is that it just does not have a reference to every posibility there is
kudos to KenZoku as the last influence map shows that they have already recovered most of their former space in just 3 days
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:23:00 -
[114]
Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: But Sects Let's put all drama beside us for a moment, to answer an honest question.
How is it the KenZoku Alliance (where most of former BOB corps have moved to) has taken sovereignty in Delve, in just one day?
From the Knowledgebase Article: "If a corporation leaves an alliance or switches to a new alliance, the sovereignty claim on all of its towers will reset. Once re-joining their old alliance or joining a new alliance, it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal."
Source
So how does KenZoku have sov after one day?
nice find sir i hope you reported this bug to CCP
You both fail at reading, scanning, or both.
I quote from the above link...
"A corporation leaving or joining an alliance while having towers online and capable of claiming sovereignty will affect the sovereignty claim on the system they are in.
1)A corporation leaving an alliance can cause sovereignty to be lost for that alliance. 2)A corporation joining an alliance will immediately start having its towers contribute to sovereignty for that alliance given the towers have the checkbox checked and have been online for a minimum of 7 days prior. 3)A corporation without an alliance can not contribute to sovereignty."
Slade
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GM Spiral
Game Masters
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:25:00 -
[115]
Hello everybody.
You should have our apologies for not replying to this sooner. We wanted to double check on things before we put anything out regarding this. The results of our investigation into this claim is as follows.
Investigation into this has not revealed any foul play, exploits or other unintended issues affecting the sovereign status of the alliance KenZoku. The allianceÆs current sovereign status is the result of current and intended game mechanics.
Why is the article in blatant contrast with what happened?
The article was revised in early December 2008. Due to some unfortunate misunderstanding during this process the paragraph which has been quoted here was added to the article when it should not have. The article has now been reviewed again and this inconsistency removed and further clarification on this mechanic added.
You can find the updated article in our knowledge base here
This affects the alliance KenZoku in such a manner that in any systems which their member corporations have control towers where they were previously contributing to Band of Brother sovereignty, the towers now contribute to KenZoku sovereignty. They start claiming at sovereignty level 1 and have to hold out the timers as described in the article. All previous sovereignty levels attributed to Band of Brothers is permanently lost.
All in all, this is derived from a mistake in the review of a knowledge base article. As a side note we do welcome all and any pointers regarding errors or mistakes made in our knowledge base articles.
If there are still any concerns regarding this then please by all means ask.
Best regards, Senior GM Spiral EVE Online Customer Support Team
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:37:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
You both fail at reading, scanning, or both.
Or maybe, just maybe, did the Knowledge Database article just get updated. |
Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:51:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
You both fail at reading, scanning, or both.
Or maybe, just maybe, did the Knowledge Database article just get updated.
Actually the link provided by the GM just above has the exact same text I quoted
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Empyre
Domestic Reform
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Posted - 2009.02.09 15:03:00 -
[118]
so here is a recap of the fight. it doesn't matter which is which, the fail in eve end game atm is strong. Destroy all that which is evil, so that which is good may flourish. |
Agrilad
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Posted - 2009.02.09 15:11:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Pristine Nippletub Edited by: Pristine Nippletub on 09/02/2009 02:47:05
Originally by: Agrilad
Originally by: But Sects Let's put all drama beside us for a moment, to answer an honest question.
How is it the KenZoku Alliance (where most of former BOB corps have moved to) has taken sovereignty in Delve, in just one day?
From the Knowledgebase Article: "If a corporation leaves an alliance or switches to a new alliance, the sovereignty claim on all of its towers will reset. Once re-joining their old alliance or joining a new alliance, it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal."
Source
So how does KenZoku have sov after one day?
My guess was that the POS's had sovereignty timers that weren't reset. so the moment they were part of alliance they just acted like they had been there long enough.
Sweet jesus. Do you smoke crack? How could you post on this topic without noticing that, that issue had already been adressed at least 300 times in the previous 4 pages of topic posts. Was that your whole post or did you actually have something useful to add? I mean jesus tap dancing christ riding a brontosaurus backwards, pay attention will you.
Thanks for the sweet criticism. That an attempt to provide an idea is such a bad idea. /Sarcasm off
Instead of spewing forth toxic sludge. How about you just say. "We've already discussed that, thanks." |
StickyFingerz
Dark Materials
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Posted - 2009.02.09 15:17:00 -
[120]
anyone would think that other folks have not benafited from EXACTLY the same issue, no no, its BoB lets kick up a stink! :|
/YAWN/
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Ki Tarra
Caldari Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.09 15:44:00 -
[121]
Edited by: Ki Tarra on 09/02/2009 15:51:53
Originally by: GM Spiral As a side note we do welcome all and any pointers regarding errors or mistakes made in our knowledge base articles.
As a side note, there are other defects that have been ignored, even after they have been reported.
I filed a bug report (#62899) in September pointing out that "The criminal flagging system" was inaccurate.
The section titled "Gang aggression" has not matched actual or intended game mechanics since Empyrean Age was released in June.
So what is the effective means for us to provide pointers regarding errors and mistakes in your knowledge base articles?
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Doc Punkiller
Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.02.09 15:46:00 -
[122]
Originally by: GM Spiral Hello everybody.
You should have our apologies for not replying to this sooner. We wanted to double check on things before we put anything out regarding this. The results of our investigation into this claim is as follows.
Investigation into this has not revealed any foul play, exploits or other unintended issues affecting the sovereign status of the alliance KenZoku. The allianceÆs current sovereign status is the result of current and intended game mechanics.
Why is the article in blatant contrast with what happened?
The article was revised in early December 2008. Due to some unfortunate misunderstanding during this process the paragraph which has been quoted here was added to the article when it should not have. The article has now been reviewed again and this inconsistency removed and further clarification on this mechanic added.
You can find the updated article in our knowledge base here
This affects the alliance KenZoku in such a manner that in any systems which their member corporations have control towers where they were previously contributing to Band of Brother sovereignty, the towers now contribute to KenZoku sovereignty. They start claiming at sovereignty level 1 and have to hold out the timers as described in the article. All previous sovereignty levels attributed to Band of Brothers is permanently lost.
All in all, this is derived from a mistake in the review of a knowledge base article. As a side note we do welcome all and any pointers regarding errors or mistakes made in our knowledge base articles.
If there are still any concerns regarding this then please by all means ask.
Best regards, Senior GM Spiral EVE Online Customer Support Team
hello gm,
Can you provide a full list of documentation that have also this "unfortunate misunderstanding" in it ?
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Daviclond
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.09 15:57:00 -
[123]
Originally by: GM Spiral
All in all, this is derived from a mistake in the review of a knowledge base article. As a side note we do welcome all and any pointers regarding errors or mistakes made in our knowledge base articles.
talk about opening the sluice gates
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Faife
Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2009.02.09 16:15:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Daviclond talk about opening the sluice gates
i believe that was GM speak for "lrn2eve noob", actually.
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.09 16:23:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Faife
Originally by: Daviclond talk about opening the sluice gates
i believe that was GM speak for "lrn2eve noob", actually.
There's no lrn2eve to do here. Why would anyone test this to know if it works differently from what is said in the "documentation"? You'd only know if you stumbled upon it by accident.
I would also say that even common sense would dictate it should work as the knowledgebase said it did. But as we all know, common sense and eve don't go well together sometimes Boink! |
Ki Tarra
Caldari Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.09 16:29:00 -
[126]
Originally by: ElCoCo You'd only know if you stumbled upon it by accident.
...and even if you did stumble across it by accident and reported it to CCP, and they were able to reproduce the issue, odds are low that they would update the KB artical before it became a significantly public issue.
Notice how earlier in this thread veterns were quick to point out a) that the documentation is often wrong, b) that many already knew how the game mechanics really worked.
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.09 16:36:00 -
[127]
Originally by: GM Spiral Hello everybody.
blah, blah, ...
In other words:
"We have no idea how it works, but we've just got few people together to try to decipher it. Because we have no idea how to change that part of code, nor who originally wrote it, there is no way in hell we're gonna touch it, so we're just gonna change the article in knowledge base."
Seriously, you have the most awesome game, and the most horrible documentation - ever
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DiaBlo UK
Killer Koalas Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.02.09 18:32:00 -
[128]
Edited by: DiaBlo UK on 09/02/2009 18:31:49
Originally by: Sentinel Eeex
Originally by: GM Spiral Hello everybody.
blah, blah, ...
In other words:
"We have no idea how it works, but we've just got few people together to try to decipher it. Because we have no idea how to change that part of code, nor who originally wrote it, there is no way in hell we're gonna touch it, so we're just gonna change the article in knowledge base."
Seriously, you have the most awesome game, and the most horrible documentation - ever
F**k off to WoW then
Originally by: CCP Navigator Pretty sure someone is selling tinfoil hats. You should buy one
Originally by: CCP Zulupark Trollin' with my homies!
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Jack Gilligan
Dragon's Rage Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.02.09 19:12:00 -
[129]
Unpublished changes to the game mechanics.. That just HAPPEN to benefit TAFKABits.
How unexpected.
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Tipz NexAstrum
Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.09 19:15:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Sentinel EeexIn other words:
"We have no idea how it works, but we've just got few people together to try to decipher it. Because we have no idea how to change that part of code, nor who originally wrote it, there is no way in hell we're gonna touch it, so we're just gonna change the article in knowledge base."
Seriously, you have the most awesome game, and the most horrible documentation - ever [:lol:
Close, the Devs know how it works; check the sov maps back in October when CCP Tanis recreated his alliance after forgetting to pay the bill. This mechanic has been in the game since the inception of sov, later whoever writes the KB articles got it wrong. Since the Devs are too busy making new broken stuff they never take the time to check something as silly as the documentation to their game. |
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Atlas Oracle
Minmatar Colossus Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.02.09 19:28:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Tipz NexAstrum Since the Devs are too busy making new broken stuff
this made me lol IRL. there is at least a grain of truth there. |
ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.09 20:13:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Tipz NexAstrum Close, the Devs know how it works; check the sov maps back in October when CCP Tanis recreated his alliance after forgetting to pay the bill. This mechanic has been in the game since the inception of sov ...
So because a DEV recreated his alliance to start claiming instantly one should assume it works the same for everyone?
Originally by: Tipz NexAstrum Since the Devs are too busy making new broken stuff ...
You do get points for this though
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Jenny' JoJo
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.09 20:17:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Jenny'' JoJo on 09/02/2009 20:18:00 Lol. Even when bob no longer exists, people claim they are cheating from the grave.
P.S Knowledgebase says the Maller is the "Toughest" cruiser in game. Please fix this.
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sooperkool
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Posted - 2009.02.09 23:28:00 -
[134]
This complaint seems a bit irrelevant, as goons failure lies in in their refusal to accept a well-documented game mechanic.
You gotta kill and replace enemy towers with your own to claim sov.
Pretty soon, goon allies are gonna get tired of throwing away their battleships(while the goons sit back ready to tower-spam and claim sov?), and the Goons will have to take their failboat fleet back to whats left of their homeland.
Grats on taking what could be the metagaming victory of the year, and turning it into a massive failure of Goonswarm proportion.
Well Done
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Gramtar
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.12 16:27:00 -
[135]
Edited by: Gramtar on 12/02/2009 16:28:49 Edited by: Gramtar on 12/02/2009 16:27:49
Originally by: GM Spiral -snip-
You can find the updated article in our knowledge base here
This affects the alliance KenZoku in such a manner that in any systems which their member corporations have control towers where they were previously contributing to Band of Brother sovereignty, the towers now contribute to KenZoku sovereignty. They start claiming at sovereignty level 1 and have to hold out the timers as described in the article. All previous sovereignty levels attributed to Band of Brothers is permanently lost.
All in all, this is derived from a mistake in the review of a knowledge base article. As a side note we do welcome all and any pointers regarding errors or mistakes made in our knowledge base articles.
If there are still any concerns regarding this then please by all means ask.
Best regards, Senior GM Spiral EVE Online Customer Support Team
Can this mechanic be used to legitimately bypass the 5 tower per days limit currently placed on alliances engaged in "POS spam" (typically only in high moon count systems)?
For example: 1. System held by Alliance A has 80 moons, and that alliance has 6 towers present holding Sov.
2. Alliance B attacks, and starts placing towers at the rate of 5 per day. Alliance A "counterspams" to stay ahead in the Sov count until Alliance A has 21 towers and Alliance B has 20, after 4 days.
3. Enter Alliance C, who are allies with Alliance B. Alliance B has an alt logistics corp within Alliance C, and drops 3 towers. Target system moon count is now: Alliance A: 21 towers Alliance B: 20 towers Alliance C: 5 towers
4. 7 downtimes pass. Alt corp in Alliance C leaves that alliance, and joins Alliance B as soon as it's able (24 hours, 1 downtime, whatever that limit is).
5. Next downtime Target system moon count is: Alliance A: 21 towers Alliance B: 23 towers
Alliance B holds sov, and Alliance A is now unable to "counterspam" to regain sov.
Question 1: To reiterate: Is this a legitimate tactic to bypass the 5 tower per day per alliance limit? Can alliance A petition alliance B or alliance C for exploit?
Question 2: If this is not a legitimate tactic, what would CCP's response be if this were employed? Remove towers dropped by the alt-logistics corp?
Question 3: If this is not a legitimate tact, and if Alliance A previously held Sov 2, 3, or 4, would that Sov level be reinstated at the next downtime?
Question 4: If this is not a legitimate tactic, and if the corp that dropped towers as a member of Alliance C weren't just a shell, alt-logistics corp, would that change the legitimacy? If so, what are the membership requirements? 100 characters? 200 characters?
Question 5: What if a corp in Alliance A left that alliance, and joined alliance B, essentially "defecting" from A to B? Could alliance A petition that to regain sov?
I can think of many other scenarios. It ultimately boils down to, can alt-corps, or corps within other alliances be used to bypass the 5 tower per day per alliance drop limit?
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Aladdin Insane
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Posted - 2009.02.12 23:26:00 -
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Edited by: Aladdin Insane on 12/02/2009 23:34:50
Originally by: GM Spiral Due to some unfortunate misunderstanding during this process the paragraph which has been quoted here was added to the article when it should not have. The article has now been reviewed again and this inconsistency removed and further clarification on this mechanic added.
i don't believe you.
Regardless of CCP's "other" motivations, bla bla whatever, the simple fact is eve has been breaking user records since this big war with ken.
if the 7 day sov thing was in place, i'm willing to bet there'd be far fewer users logged on.
Strange how this U-turn comes about as we are nearing the launch of another MMO.
Edit : How is it possible to get one of THE most important game rules wrong? The sov section in the database has a vast impact on the shape, direction and userbase of the whole of eve, therefore the popularity & commercial success.
Are you seriously telling us that the team of guys working and the team approving the sov system didn't read the manual?
P.S. i'm loving the current fight with ken, not bashing ccp for the sake of it _____________________ Eve is not a sandbox Sandboxes always have kitty poo in them
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Zantrei Kordisin
FinFleet KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.13 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: Aladdin Insane
i don't believe you.
Regardless of CCP's "other" motivations, bla bla whatever, the simple fact is eve has been breaking user records since this big war with ken.
if the 7 day sov thing was in place, i'm willing to bet there'd be far fewer users logged on.
Strange how this U-turn comes about as we are nearing the launch of another MMO.
Edit : How is it possible to get one of THE most important game rules wrong? The sov section in the database has a vast impact on the shape, direction and userbase of the whole of eve, therefore the popularity & commercial success.
Are you seriously telling us that the team of guys working and the team approving the sov system didn't read the manual?
P.S. i'm loving the current fight with ken, not bashing ccp for the sake of it
:tinfoil: _________________________________________________________
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Gonada
Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.13 00:10:00 -
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poor goonies, their master-stroke turned into a circle-jerk
Please, jump into traffic
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Kellyl
Gallente Integrity.
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Posted - 2009.02.13 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: Gramtar
Can this mechanic be used to legitimately bypass the 5 tower per days limit currently placed on alliances engaged in "POS spam" (typically only in high moon count systems)?
For example: 1. System held by Alliance A has 80 moons, and that alliance has 6 towers present holding Sov.
2. Alliance B attacks, and starts placing towers at the rate of 5 per day. Alliance A "counterspams" to stay ahead in the Sov count until Alliance A has 21 towers and Alliance B has 20, after 4 days.
3. Enter Alliance C, who are allies with Alliance B. Alliance B has an alt logistics corp within Alliance C, and drops 3 towers. Target system moon count is now: Alliance A: 21 towers Alliance B: 20 towers Alliance C: 5 towers
4. 7 downtimes pass. Alt corp in Alliance C leaves that alliance, and joins Alliance B as soon as it's able (24 hours, 1 downtime, whatever that limit is).
5. Next downtime Target system moon count is: Alliance A: 21 towers Alliance B: 23 towers
Alliance B holds sov, and Alliance A is now unable to "counterspam" to regain sov.
Question 1: To reiterate: Is this a legitimate tactic to bypass the 5 tower per day per alliance limit? Can alliance A petition alliance B or alliance C for exploit?
Question 2: If this is not a legitimate tactic, what would CCP's response be if this were employed? Remove towers dropped by the alt-logistics corp?
Question 3: If this is not a legitimate tact, and if Alliance A previously held Sov 2, 3, or 4, would that Sov level be reinstated at the next downtime?
Question 4: If this is not a legitimate tactic, and if the corp that dropped towers as a member of Alliance C weren't just a shell, alt-logistics corp, would that change the legitimacy? If so, what are the membership requirements? 100 characters? 200 characters?
This.
In changing the rules yet again to suit (ex)BoB, CCP leave a large loophole to be exploited. I understand though, CCP alts want their alliances sovereignty back eh?
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.13 00:39:00 -
[140]
/put tin foil hat i am now protected ... where to start
This week EvE Life: Wormhole Wars 01/Feb
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Aladdin Insane
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Posted - 2009.02.13 00:50:00 -
[141]
Don't need foil, just join the fight and wonder at this unique opportunity for pew. _____________________ Eve is not a sandbox Sandboxes always have kitty poo in them
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.13 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Aladdin Insane Don't need foil, just join the fight and wonder at this unique opportunity for pew.
the pew pew is big and large , like in WALL.E
This week EvE Life: Wormhole Wars 01/Feb
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Overlord Anubis
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.13 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Gramtar Edited by: Gramtar on 12/02/2009 16:28:49 Edited by: Gramtar on 12/02/2009 16:27:49
Originally by: GM Spiral -snip-
You can find the updated article in our knowledge base here
This affects the alliance KenZoku in such a manner that in any systems which their member corporations have control towers where they were previously contributing to Band of Brother sovereignty, the towers now contribute to KenZoku sovereignty. They start claiming at sovereignty level 1 and have to hold out the timers as described in the article. All previous sovereignty levels attributed to Band of Brothers is permanently lost.
All in all, this is derived from a mistake in the review of a knowledge base article. As a side note we do welcome all and any pointers regarding errors or mistakes made in our knowledge base articles.
If there are still any concerns regarding this then please by all means ask.
Best regards, Senior GM Spiral EVE Online Customer Support Team
Can this mechanic be used to legitimately bypass the 5 tower per days limit currently placed on alliances engaged in "POS spam" (typically only in high moon count systems)?
For example: 1. System held by Alliance A has 80 moons, and that alliance has 6 towers present holding Sov.
2. Alliance B attacks, and starts placing towers at the rate of 5 per day. Alliance A "counterspams" to stay ahead in the Sov count until Alliance A has 21 towers and Alliance B has 20, after 4 days.
3. Enter Alliance C, who are allies with Alliance B. Alliance B has an alt logistics corp within Alliance C, and drops 3 towers. Target system moon count is now: Alliance A: 21 towers Alliance B: 20 towers Alliance C: 5 towers
4. 7 downtimes pass. Alt corp in Alliance C leaves that alliance, and joins Alliance B as soon as it's able (24 hours, 1 downtime, whatever that limit is).
5. Next downtime Target system moon count is: Alliance A: 21 towers Alliance B: 23 towers
Alliance B holds sov, and Alliance A is now unable to "counterspam" to regain sov.
Question 1: To reiterate: Is this a legitimate tactic to bypass the 5 tower per day per alliance limit? Can alliance A petition alliance B or alliance C for exploit?
Question 2: If this is not a legitimate tactic, what would CCP's response be if this were employed? Remove towers dropped by the alt-logistics corp?
Question 3: If this is not a legitimate tact, and if Alliance A previously held Sov 2, 3, or 4, would that Sov level be reinstated at the next downtime?
Question 4: If this is not a legitimate tactic, and if the corp that dropped towers as a member of Alliance C weren't just a shell, alt-logistics corp, would that change the legitimacy? If so, what are the membership requirements? 100 characters? 200 characters?
Question 5: What if a corp in Alliance A left that alliance, and joined alliance B, essentially "defecting" from A to B? Could alliance A petition that to regain sov?
I can think of many other scenarios. It ultimately boils down to, can alt-corps, or corps within other alliances be used to bypass the 5 tower per day per alliance drop limit?
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Gramtar
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.13 17:33:00 -
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Edited by: Gramtar on 13/02/2009 17:34:06 To be clear, I pose the question above simply to understand if the tactic is legitimate or not, and to know if it's something my alliance should be on guard against.
I fully expected KenZoku to gain Sov 1 in systems where member corps had sov claiming towers, after downtime following their joining the alliance. Sov has worked for this way for as long as it has existed, to my knowledge. At least, it's worked this way since June 2006, and older Goons know this well from our first foray into conquerable space against You-What and D2 in Cloud Ring.
edit: regardless of documentation on CCP's website - everyone that held a basic understand of sov claiming mechanics knew this would happen.
The main things I'm trying to understand are:
1. Does CCP see a distinction between obviously legitimate moves by corps from one alliance to another (recent examples include the creation of Red Overlord and KenZoku alliances, and the move of some former Red Alliance corps to Against All Authorities) and a hypothetical situation (clear intent to get around 5 per day drop limit) that could occur in the future?
2. My big question - Does CCP even have the ability to restore Sov count timers towards gaining, holding, or breaking Sov 2/3/4?
Goons also know well that when bugs occur (tower killmails not being generated, apparently due to server lag issues), CCP did not step in to restore Sov 3 (most recently in R2TJ in December 2008). |
Tiger's Spirit
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Posted - 2009.02.13 17:36:00 -
[145]
Jerk Kensuxers, u will lost this fight, the GM-s not enough for cheating. Yarrrr |
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