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Ben Avery
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Posted - 2009.02.03 20:53:00 -
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Which interceptor is best for dogfighting other frigates (particularly other interceptors)
I have provided the best setup I can think of for the 4 different types. It looks as if the Claw might be best because it is the fastest and most agile, therefore dictating the terms of the engagement:
[Claw, Dogfighter - orbit 22k] Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Warp Disruptor II
250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Tremor S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Tremor S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Tremor S Standard Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile
[Crusader, Dogfighter - orbit 22k] Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Capacitor Power Relay II
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Warp Disruptor II
Dual Light Beam Laser II, Aurora S Dual Light Beam Laser II, Aurora S Dual Light Beam Laser II, Aurora S Dual Light Beam Laser II, Aurora S
[Taranis, Dogfighter - orbit 16k] Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Warp Disruptor II Small Capacitor Battery II
75mm Gatling Rail II, Spike S 75mm Gatling Rail II, Spike S 75mm Gatling Rail II, Spike S Small Energy Neutralizer II
Warrior II x2
[Crow, Dogfighter - orbit 22k] Overdrive Injector System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Micro 'Vigor' I Core Augmentation
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Warp Disruptor II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Standard Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile Standard Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile Standard Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Tremor S
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Arous Drephius
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.02.03 20:56:00 -
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Ranis with blasters, MWD, scram AND disruptor.
Overheat, get in scram range, shut off their MWD and proceed to smash their face in.
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Ben Avery
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Posted - 2009.02.03 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Arous Drephius Ranis with blasters, MWD, scram AND disruptor.
Overheat, get in scram range, shut off their MWD and proceed to smash their face in.
This involves getting much closer than the other setups. Isn't this a bit too risky
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Ben Avery
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Posted - 2009.02.03 21:14:00 -
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Edited by: Ben Avery on 03/02/2009 21:17:21
Here is an example of a blaster ranis:
[Taranis, Dogfighter - close range: get within 9k fast] Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Overdrive Injector System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Cap Recharger II
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I OR Small Diminishing Power Drain I for more cap.
Warrior II x2
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr Divinity's Edge
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Posted - 2009.02.03 21:26:00 -
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Eve's all about picking your targets and surprising them. Most people won't react fast enough to counter your overheating and will thus die. Blaster Ranis with a buffer tank is a surprisingly tough little nut to crack.
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Sean Faust
Gallente Point of No Return B.L.A.C.K.
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Posted - 2009.02.03 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ben Avery
Originally by: Arous Drephius Ranis with blasters, MWD, scram AND disruptor.
Overheat, get in scram range, shut off their MWD and proceed to smash their face in.
This involves getting much closer than the other setups. Isn't this a bit too risky
risky? my boy, if you even use that term you have no business in a taranis!
seriously though, the taranis has a huge amount of hull HP so if you fit a DC II it equates to enough HP to get in range and fry them with your 250+ DPS.
it does take some skill and practice though, but it IS the most fun ship in the game.
my taranis setup:
3x light ion blaster II w/ navy antimatter, offlined heatsink module
t2 MWD, t2 scram (9km one), t2 web
DC II, i-stab (best named or t2 works), magnetic field stabilizer II
2x warrior II drones
FUN ship
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Wannabehero
Absolutely No Retreat
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Posted - 2009.02.03 21:43:00 -
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Stiletto
If facing other turreted inties
[Stiletto, Disruptorz] Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Capacitor Power Relay II
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Warp Disruptor II Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I
200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S Standard Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Sabretooth Light Missile
Polycarbon Engine Housing I Low Friction Nozzle Joints I --
Don't harsh my mellow |
Theron Gyrow
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.02.03 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ben Avery Edited by: Ben Avery on 03/02/2009 21:17:21
Here is an example of a blaster ranis:
[Taranis, Dogfighter - close range: get within 9k fast] Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Overdrive Injector System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Cap Recharger II
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I OR Small Diminishing Power Drain I for more cap.
Warrior II x2
I'm sorry, but that is a horrible fit. Ions+dam mod give about same damage with better tracking as neutrons+MAPC, you don't have a DC2 which is mandatory for Taranis, you have a nanofiber reducing the hull tank, and you have a cap recharger.
Ions+offline small remote rep, MWD, point, web (or scram), DC2, magstab, ODI (or whatever). -- Gradient forum |
Mortuus
Minmatar Fat J Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.02.03 21:52:00 -
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Plated AC Claw is nasty now that you only need a 2pt Scram to hold other frigates =)
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Agdistisar
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.02.03 22:25:00 -
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[Crusader, Dogfight] Heat Sink II Overdrive Injector System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Warp Scrambler II Coreli C-Type 1MN MicroWarpdrive
Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Auxiliary Thrusters I Dynamic Fuel Valve I
Used this fit for a while, my favourite so far. |
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Writ Insand
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Posted - 2009.02.03 22:28:00 -
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Edited by: Writ Insand on 03/02/2009 22:34:52
Quote: [Crusader, Dogfighter - orbit 22k] Dual Light Beam Laser II, Aurora S
With 4k/s transversal at 22km, aurora gives around 1~2 dps. In practice you have to use the T1 long-range ammo. |
Grimpak
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.03 22:55:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 03/02/2009 22:55:43
Originally by: Wannabehero Stiletto
If facing other turreted inties
[Stiletto, Disruptorz] Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Capacitor Power Relay II
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Warp Disruptor II Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I
200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S Standard Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Sabretooth Light Missile
Polycarbon Engine Housing I Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
eeerrrrm... no
[Stiletto, New Setup 1] Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II
Medium Shield Extender II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Foxfire Rocket
Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I
drop the rigs if you want to, cuz you're still travelling at 4.4km/sec. 125's are also a good choice for them trackings. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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Prometheus Exenthal
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.02.03 23:20:00 -
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Rail Taranis, hands down Closely followed by blaster Taranis & DLP Crusader.
OP suggesting the Claw orbit @ 22km... |
Shigsy
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2009.02.03 23:31:00 -
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look at all the eft warriors in this thread /o\
hint, its the ranis, and its blasters.
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Stuart Price
Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.02.04 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: Shigsy look at all the eft warriors in this thread /o\
hint, its the ranis, and its blasters.
Yes.
I've never lost a 1v1 'ceptor fight while flying a 'ranis fitted with blasters. Pre-QR I flew the insanely good locus-sader, which melted nearly all comers with 18km pulse comedy. I say nearly because well flown blaster ranis' were a hard, hard fight (manual piloting and healthy caution were needed). Post-QR it's no contest. While you can setup another interceptor specifically to counter them, such setups are horribly weak against pretty much everything else ever and so are not really viable.
If you know your ships and common setups (and trust your instincts) you can mash up cruisers, battlecruisers and even battleships with a 'ranis. Moas, Omens, CNRs, Caracals, I've murdered them all. If all blaster-ships were as effective as the Taranis the other races would barely get a look in. |
Cyb3r D3ath
Umbra Legion Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.02.04 01:44:00 -
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Edited by: Cyb3r D3ath on 04/02/2009 01:46:26
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Firkragg
Blue Labs Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.04 02:12:00 -
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blaster ranis with a dcu, web, scram is the best pretty much now days. Second to that id go dual light pulse fitted sader with a scram. |
kessah
The Accursed
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Posted - 2009.02.04 02:49:00 -
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no offence, but il offer a 1v1 vesus any setup posted here so far. There not QR viable imho.
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Easley Thames
The Maverick Navy Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.04 02:53:00 -
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I have written the same taranis post in this section 5-6 times and I don't really feel like doing it again. I will just say this, I would never fit a ranis with a nanofiber.
If your idea of dogfighting is locking and clicking orbit you need alot more experience. Flying an inty post-QR is a far lamer experience than it was before(for several reasons) but manual piloting still matters a great deal.
The stacking nerf on speed mods and introduction of the MWD-killer scram makes close range intys beyond deadly for anything that doesn't have the same capability. Taranis lost the least from QR nerfs. |
Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2009.02.04 02:55:00 -
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For fighting other interceptors, you want the most HP and the most close range DPS possible.
Plating, overheating and 2pt scrams are your friends. |
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Billy Merc
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2009.02.04 04:11:00 -
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sabre :P :P :P :P |
Vanthropy
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.04 06:39:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 03/02/2009 22:55:43
Originally by: Wannabehero Stiletto
If facing other turreted inties
[Stiletto, Disruptorz] Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Capacitor Power Relay II
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Warp Disruptor II Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I
200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S Standard Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Sabretooth Light Missile
Polycarbon Engine Housing I Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
eeerrrrm... no
[Stiletto, New Setup 1] Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II
Medium Shield Extender II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Foxfire Rocket
Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I
drop the rigs if you want to, cuz you're still travelling at 4.4km/sec. 125's are also a good choice for them trackings.
you almost nailed my fit, fit a scrambler not a web.
and as far as dogfighting goes... well as far as ALL iNTYS GO
no more ****ing full speed fits. they are fail
here is how you fit a ceptor killer
[Claw, plate] 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Adaptive Nano Plating II Adaptive Nano Plating II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Warp Scrambler II Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Phalanx Rocket
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
each of the combat inties has a certain niche
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Dreadpilot Roberts
R.U.S.T. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.02.04 06:44:00 -
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I think crow still does well when nanoed a little ... if u play your cards right and dont get into scram range. Or blaster ranis will do the job. |
Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.04 06:58:00 -
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dogfight = taranis, why? Insane damage and ehp for a ceptor. Stop whining. |
Clueless Alt
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Posted - 2009.02.04 07:45:00 -
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Edited by: Clueless Alt on 04/02/2009 07:45:38 You can't orbit at 22km with a claw, otherwise you don't have a lock. And with tremor you'll never hit a **** too.
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Miss Rumpelstilzchen
Minmatar Black Horizon Ltd
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Posted - 2009.02.04 10:00:00 -
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you all are welcome to fight against me ...
rofl @ all fitting suggestions
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H Lecter
Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.02.04 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ben Avery This involves getting much closer than the other setups. Isn't this a bit too risky
Isn't dogfight all about close range?
My opinion may or may not be shared by my alliance |
achoura
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Posted - 2009.02.04 10:57:00 -
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Op doesn't seem to realise scarms = close range = need to take damage as well as give damage.
If nothing else telling ppl to use aurora over scorch on a crusader says it all |
H Lecter
Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.02.04 11:02:00 -
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Here is my Taranis lolfit - I always lol when my opponent dies:
[Taranis, AB] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II
Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II 1MN Afterburner II
3x Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Small 'Knave' I Energy Drain
2x Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Hobgoblin I x2
You don't need to like it and I am quite happy if you don't use it.
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Grimpak
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.04 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Shigsy look at all the eft warriors in this thread /o\
hint, its the ranis, and its blasters.
well I do agree with that. That setup I posted was the best setup I've seen in a stilleto... after I blew it to bits and pieces that is. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
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