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Meandar
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.03.11 05:27:00 -
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Well I'm off game for a bit... my G force 2 card won't support it and I won't be able to replace it soon. Hopefully I can contact someone to keep my skills going. Anywho... I have to wonder if updating my graphics card is possible?
I run a Pentium 4 2.4mghz and 1024 Ram and all that rut...
Sure would feel a bit snippy if I go buy a card and can't play EVE. So what kinda card can my computer support and where do I get it. Googling away to day! Your Friendly Wondering Space Warfare kinda Guy,
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Dave PSI
Haendlergilde Gilde Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.11 12:09:00 -
[572]
Edited by: Dave PSI on 11/03/2009 12:15:28 Edited by: Dave PSI on 11/03/2009 12:13:47 Where can i download the lite version of the client? I only found the premium client (http://www.eveonline.com/download/).
I understand the reason to upgrade the the Graphik (and i support it, new players are necessary), but the graphik change was useless for me personally. I liked the classic client and really miss it. Instead of only supporting the graphik freaks, how about supporting the ones interested in better performance?
I would prefer an option to disable all textures and graphic effects, and play only with gridmodels. Not only to run more clients, also in large combat i only use the overview options and with 500+ people on grid and scrolled in, not only the server will lag.
And yes, i have 2 new pcs, enough money to upgrade, but i still could run more classic clients before, than premium clients now.
Btw. at least for me the patching system / downloading the 1.9GB client doesn't work probably. When you force us to upgrade, plz support acceptable download capabilities (not 80kb/s aka downloading a year, plus connection issues and to start it again). Without the torrent download i would still sitting in front of my old calssic client, unable to upgrade. update: i started to upgrade my second pc today, and download seems to be under 1h, so it's better now.
T R U S T shop: http://www.evetrust.com // Haendlergilde [HAE]
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Vera Trash
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Posted - 2009.03.11 12:10:00 -
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great!! good move. nice to know that we poor dont count. we were 'holdin ya back,' huh? i feel kinda dumped on!
ccp seriously cant afford to run a separate server with less graphic content? seems like youre makin enough to not care how many accounts you lose.
the game is... was fun. you really think it has to rely on 'purdy pix' to survive? thats silly. i mean, youll never top gallaga no matter what ya look like. graphics dont go THAT far. i still play my 2600 and have a good time.
but you are at least gunna refund this month since i cant play now, right? ill use it to buy a graphics card just for you, even though everything else works just fine with the one ive got. or if youre gunna keep my money, and im stuck paying for a character that i cant play, can i at least have out-of-game access to change skills? or do i not even count THAT much?
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byron yuu
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Posted - 2009.03.11 12:45:00 -
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AGP cards should work but i belive only the 512 and up card have shade 3.0 . i myself have to buy a new 1 and scrap my 256 so i hope it will work. there are websites out there that sell older stuff for agp slots and they seem resonable. im paying $96 for a geforce 512 card but have to wait till fri or even mon. and that sucks but im gona try to get the game back up. if this fails though im done with eve also as a new comp is out of the question at my curent finance lvl, i'd be better off buying a x-boxx or wii than buy a beter comp when it works well for everything i use it for but the newest of games and now this. maybe eve should consider makeing it playable on x-box or wii then they would have a new base of kids to play and get payed from. plus i bet a lot of old comp users have the new game machines anyways it may save there company from the lose they are gona be takeing soon if not already. i hear iceland is haveing money problems like the rest of the world to, hope they can aford to keep all there employees on after this big upgrade they made HEHE. cheers
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Stalfo5
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Posted - 2009.03.11 13:29:00 -
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It's a shame that Eve will be losing so many players due to this 'upgrade'
I will miss being able to play on my old laptop and I would actually have to buy a new graphics card on my desktop to be able to play properly.
I regret buying a three month subscription.
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Sara Mise
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Posted - 2009.03.11 13:49:00 -
[576]
Originally by: Dave PSI Edited by: Dave PSI on 11/03/2009 12:20:51 Where can i download the lite version of the client? I only found the premium client (http://www.eveonline.com/download/).
I have the same question/issue. My download worked and it is running fine. And the new textures do actually look wonderful and not getting any lag on the laptop soloing. But...like dave said...if I get into a big fleet battle, I was wondering how I can switch to lite.
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Maria Kalista
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Posted - 2009.03.11 13:58:00 -
[577]
Originally by: Sara Mise
Originally by: Dave PSI
Where can i download the lite version of the client? I only found the premium client.
I have the same question/issue. My download worked and it is running fine. And the new textures do actually look wonderful and not getting any lag on the laptop soloing. But...like dave said...if I get into a big fleet battle, I was wondering how I can switch to lite.
The 'lite' client is the same client as the Premium client you can download. Only with all settings set to 'low' and or 'off'.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
I really need to stop watching commercials...
Wrangler
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Vaspian
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Posted - 2009.03.11 14:00:00 -
[578]
are we being refunded for the rest of the month that we have paied for but can not play because of this?
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Taius Pax
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Posted - 2009.03.11 14:56:00 -
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Edited by: Taius Pax on 11/03/2009 14:59:30
Originally by: Vaspian are we being refunded for the rest of the month that we have paied for but can not play because of this?
I figure you know the answer but, per the EULA:
All subscription fees are in U.S. Dollars or Euros and are non-refundable unless expressly stated otherwise in the EULA.
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CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software.
While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play. The System may become unavailable for a number of reasons, including without limitation during the performance of maintenance to the System, for the implementation of new software, for emergency situations and due to equipment or telecommunications failures.
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Surana Rens
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Posted - 2009.03.11 15:13:00 -
[580]
Originally by: Maria Kalista
Originally by: Sara Mise
Originally by: Dave PSI
Where can i download the lite version of the client? I only found the premium client.
I have the same question/issue. My download worked and it is running fine. And the new textures do actually look wonderful and not getting any lag on the laptop soloing. But...like dave said...if I get into a big fleet battle, I was wondering how I can switch to lite.
The 'lite' client is the same client as the Premium client you can download. Only with all settings set to 'low' and or 'off'.
Cool thanks Maria.
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Masratar
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Posted - 2009.03.11 15:19:00 -
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Next time there's a major update due that will make some hardware obsolete, it would be a great idea to say so on the main system requirements section. This will make sure prospective new players are fully aware as to whether their system is adequate or not.
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Michael Drakus
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Posted - 2009.03.11 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Taius Pax Edited by: Taius Pax on 11/03/2009 14:59:30
Originally by: Vaspian are we being refunded for the rest of the month that we have paied for but can not play because of this?
I figure you know the answer but, per the EULA:
All subscription fees are in U.S. Dollars or Euros and are non-refundable unless expressly stated otherwise in the EULA.
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CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software.
While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play. The System may become unavailable for a number of reasons, including without limitation during the performance of maintenance to the System, for the implementation of new software, for emergency situations and due to equipment or telecommunications failures.
The US courts have a different view on this, and other companies have gotten into serious trouble for it as well. Regardless of the EULA, it falls under the category of 'Support Scam'. Why? because for one thing, the account purchase system does not run a hardware check to ensure that your system meets current or upcoming requirements, and the installation software doesn't check until after installation is finished. While the decision to end support for shader 1 and lower cards was posted in several areas of the site, it was not posted in a visible location anywhere during the account purchase process. and people who have never heard of Shader or hardware transform and lighting might not even realize it applies to them. So yes. regardless of the EULA, there is still legal responsibility, especially for those users whose machines met the system requirements AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE but now no longer do.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.03.11 16:09:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 11/03/2009 16:11:54 It's annoying to see how you are making progress on the graphics front of the game, CCP. Why don't you first add full anti-aliasing support before you force others to upgrade their hardware?
I have got a Nvidia GTX260 and would not have any problems going with ShaderModel 4 and DX10. What I really want is the pixel flickering to go away, and the lack of AA and a cleaner texture filtering lets you look like noobs. -- You cannot win? It's called losing. |
Proteus Maximus
Caldari Mine 'N' Refine New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.03.11 16:10:00 -
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Ya know even Microsoft left us windows Xp to run when they imposed windows Vista on us. My game play has been severly affected by this patch rendering 2 accounts prety usless now. I'm lucky we just bought my wife a new laptop for collage or I'd have no acess what so ever. Now instaid of mining during the day during work and flying with friends in the evening I'm stuck arguing with my wife over computer time. Money for new computers with her out of work is out of the question entirley. Are resources so drained you can't support classic for 35 to 40% of us? I think not. Thanks for completely ruining the gaming experince for me CCP I'm way greatfull. Max Yes I'm a newb. No I'm not stupid. |
Masratar
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Posted - 2009.03.11 16:18:00 -
[585]
Originally by: Michael Drakus
Originally by: Taius Pax Edited by: Taius Pax on 11/03/2009 14:59:30
Originally by: Vaspian are we being refunded for the rest of the month that we have paied for but can not play because of this?
I figure you know the answer but, per the EULA:
All subscription fees are in U.S. Dollars or Euros and are non-refundable unless expressly stated otherwise in the EULA.
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CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software.
While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play. The System may become unavailable for a number of reasons, including without limitation during the performance of maintenance to the System, for the implementation of new software, for emergency situations and due to equipment or telecommunications failures.
The US courts have a different view on this, and other companies have gotten into serious trouble for it as well. Regardless of the EULA, it falls under the category of 'Support Scam'. Why? because for one thing, the account purchase system does not run a hardware check to ensure that your system meets current or upcoming requirements, and the installation software doesn't check until after installation is finished. While the decision to end support for shader 1 and lower cards was posted in several areas of the site, it was not posted in a visible location anywhere during the account purchase process. and people who have never heard of Shader or hardware transform and lighting might not even realize it applies to them. So yes. regardless of the EULA, there is still legal responsibility, especially for those users whose machines met the system requirements AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE but now no longer do.
Having only played for a few weeks, this is exactly the situation for me.
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Proteus Maximus
Caldari Mine 'N' Refine New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.03.11 17:20:00 -
[586]
It applys to me also. I prepaid 2 of my accounts for 6 months while one expiers in a couple weeks 4 months remain on the other. At no time do I remember being prompted and informed my machines would n0t be supported in a few months. I never received an email for that matter. How many newer pilots even know to use the forums.. from what i've seen in game not many I'm guessing. Yes I'm a newb. No I'm not stupid. |
Masratar
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Posted - 2009.03.11 17:54:00 -
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Edited by: Masratar on 11/03/2009 17:54:39 I'm pleased to say CCP have agreed to refund my remaining game time. Presumably this is due to my newness to the game, which as has been mentioned makes it unreasonable to expect that I was to know of the implications of this upcoming update. This has restored my confidence in the makers of Eve and I look forward to returning to the game as soon as I have sufficient hardware.
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ThraxOmega
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Posted - 2009.03.11 18:06:00 -
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Edited by: ThraxOmega on 11/03/2009 18:07:25 I'm glad CCP has made good by you. It's a very solid move on their part to resolve your situation & I commend them. Being invested in the game for almost a year now I feel that the people in my situation will have to eat this one. Proteus Maximus...posted under my alt by mistake.
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Keleth AlThul
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Posted - 2009.03.11 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Masratar Edited by: Masratar on 11/03/2009 17:54:39 I'm pleased to say CCP have agreed to refund my remaining game time. Presumably this is due to my newness to the game, which as has been mentioned makes it unreasonable to expect that I was to know of the implications of this upcoming update. This has restored my confidence in the makers of Eve and I look forward to returning to the game as soon as I have sufficient hardware.
how do you go about doing this is it in petitions of through a thread on the forum i had paid the startup and first months fee and was able to play for three days before the upped the minimum reqs so how can i get mine back
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Michael Drakus
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Posted - 2009.03.11 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Masratar Edited by: Masratar on 11/03/2009 17:54:39 I'm pleased to say CCP have agreed to refund my remaining game time. Presumably this is due to my newness to the game, which as has been mentioned makes it unreasonable to expect that I was to know of the implications of this upcoming update. This has restored my confidence in the makers of Eve and I look forward to returning to the game as soon as I have sufficient hardware.
I am glad to hear that. I was starting to wonder if they were going to address this situation at all, but it appears that they are. I got an email in response to my petition, and gave them the required information, but I haven't heard back as of yet. I am very glad that they are taking responsibility for this - it does a lot to improve their image in the eyes of the customer. If/when I get my money refunded, I will probably consider playing again when I have a system capable of handling the new (and planned) requirements.
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grjot
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Posted - 2009.03.11 19:51:00 -
[591]
Dear CCP.
After being your customer for years I am sorry to say that after 6 hours of downloading and installing the new patch I have found out that I can not play the game due to the fact that my hardware does not support shader model 2.
It was fun while it lasted and I want to thank you for saving me $180 per year.
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Tadesae
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Posted - 2009.03.11 20:02:00 -
[592]
I've found that a lot more laptops are excluded from playing EVE than was reported earlier in this thread. Some of these machines were purchased in the last year and are not all the extreme low end that most of the desk toppers claim they are.
Many recent laptops with integrated video chips including as recent as intel GM945 chipset family. I understand that these laptops were not put together with gaming in mind but the systems using the integrated video cards were not always low end and were produced in massive quantities. These Systems ran classic well enough that the average new player would never notice slow performance until getting into group battles.
I purchased my laptop in July of 2007 for around $1,100. I didn't really have gaming in mind at the time. The system is not low end in any way except the crappy integrated graphics card. (Windows Vista, Intel core Duo processor, 2GB RAM, big hard drive etc) Specs looked much better than most that I looked at. If I would have known what to look for, in hindsight I would have gotten one with a separate video card but *Shrug*
So now you have more than a tiny few players "as most of you put it" Who can't play EVE. Many of them didn't even suspect they had a problem since their systems were fairly new and may have cost them over a thousand dollars, not the few hundred some keep saying.
I know... Laptop's aren't for gaming right? Well, since a home desktops' only practicle use is to play games, I guess EVE will help keep desktops a viable consumer product for a while longer anyway.
Seriously, a normal person (someone with a life) isn't going to justify spending at least $1,000.00 for a halfway decent desktop just to play a game when they've got a much more practical machine that does everything but already. It's difficult enough to find the time to play EVE without locking myself in the spare bedroom for 4 hours.
Is it so difficult for people to understand that there are people who like to play EVE who may not take it quite as seriously as they do? People who don't care if the Graphics are the super uberest ever! To me, it's the die hard 30+ year old gamer who wants that desktop just so they can play a video game who's not understanding how the world works.
And CCP gets a fail grade on this. What should you expect from a company full of Computer geeks? That kind of person is always going to think everyone will want to spend thousands of dollars on a super terrific, huge, unmovable game playing machine. Duh!
/Rant
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Innara Tal
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Posted - 2009.03.11 21:08:00 -
[593]
For those of you leaving, feel free to send me your ISK and stuff. Name is "Innara Tal". :)
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Hornychef
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Posted - 2009.03.11 21:15:00 -
[594]
Hello CCP,
Ummm....could you make a definitive statement on the Premium Lite client?
I've trawled through a lot of forums and seen (many) comments from players that Premium Lite == Premium with everything turned down.
Just curious as I can no longer play on my Acer Aspire One with the Premium client even though the Intel 945GM supports shader 2.
Any reply as to support for a low end Premium Lite client would be much appreciated!
Thanks in advance,
Chef
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Tadesae
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Posted - 2009.03.11 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Hornychef Hello CCP,
Ummm....could you make a definitive statement on the Premium Lite client?
I've trawled through a lot of forums and seen (many) comments from players that Premium Lite == Premium with everything turned down.
Just curious as I can no longer play on my Acer Aspire One with the Premium client even though the Intel 945GM supports shader 2.
Any reply as to support for a low end Premium Lite client would be much appreciated!
Thanks in advance,
Chef
I'm not 100% certain but I think we are out of luck. I checked before the update and thought I was safe because intel says 945GM chipset supports shader 2.
There is something I don't quite understand about those cards needing some kind of software boost to acheive shader 2 and EVE now lists all intel GM express chipsets below 965 as unsupported on the update page.
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ZONAC
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Posted - 2009.03.11 21:49:00 -
[596]
wow.. it has finally come. the day that my gaming is to be suspended not do to my inability to pay nor my dislike of the game that i have been playing for the last 2 1/2 years. but due to the fact that my laptop is shader compatible but my card is not to CCP's liking.. so while i wait to gain the cash to repair my gaming system that forced me into the laptop, i have to decide to ether suspend my character and save the money and loose the skill time or skill and keep paying the ransom and wait for the money for the pc parts.. but i ask a question?.. I am not in a poor on the street position or living with no resources but my cash is on a as needed basis and ranked on whats important and what is not.. i started playing eve due to my dislike of watching television .. what about the players that are in a position that they are too strapped to upgrade?.. you have just removed those players from a game.. your game.. our game.. there game? why? are we at the point that all players are not in reality equal?.. those who can be better in real life. the game, our game, your game, there game, will only support those? yes the cooperate ugliness is starting to show it self.
I will make my decision on what i will do but CCP you need to look at yourselves again, and ask your selves. is this game full of players our your own select friends?.. and where is this game really going? because the feel of the game that first attracted me when i started play had a attractive CCP influence and has morphed! and I feel the cooperates direction is moving in a nasty direction. its now your game.. and we cannot call it a community because we just left some of our members in the cold.
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Tadesae
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Posted - 2009.03.11 22:31:00 -
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Edited by: Tadesae on 11/03/2009 22:33:16
Originally by: ZONAC wow.. it has finally come. the day that my gaming is to be suspended not do to my inability to pay nor my dislike of the game that i have been playing for the last 2 1/2 years. but due to the fact that my laptop is shader compatible but my card is not to CCP's liking.. so while i wait to gain the cash to repair my gaming system that forced me into the laptop, i have to decide to ether suspend my character and save the money and loose the skill time or skill and keep paying the ransom and wait for the money for the pc parts.. but i ask a question?.. I am not in a poor on the street position or living with no resources but my cash is on a as needed basis and ranked on whats important and what is not.. i started playing eve due to my dislike of watching television .. what about the players that are in a position that they are too strapped to upgrade?.. you have just removed those players from a game.. your game.. our game.. there game? why? are we at the point that all players are not in reality equal?.. those who can be better in real life. the game, our game, your game, there game, will only support those? yes the cooperate ugliness is starting to show it self.
I will make my decision on what i will do but CCP you need to look at yourselves again, and ask your selves. is this game full of players our your own select friends?.. and where is this game really going? because the feel of the game that first attracted me when i started play had a attractive CCP influence and has morphed! and I feel the cooperates direction is moving in a nasty direction. its now your game.. and we cannot call it a community because we just left some of our members in the cold.
I think this has more to do with a failure to recognise changes in the way people use computers by the gaming industry as a whole. As long as you can play a game on a laptop, developers are going to see that people find the games and play them. When you remove the ability for the average person to find a game because the platform most people have can't run it you loose a lot of business.
I don't think treating laptop players who find the game like second class citizens is a very good business model. It's not that I can't play anymore, it's that the only response you get is; "you can't do that on a laptop" It's irritating because you can do that on a laptop. For a while anyway.
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Sir Ibex
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Posted - 2009.03.12 00:33:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Ibex on 12/03/2009 00:33:33
Originally by: Innara Tal For those of you leaving, feel free to send me your ISK and stuff. Name is "Innara Tal". :)
uck you. It's not even funny.
Thank you CCP for completely ignoring a large part of your customer base and removing the classic client. *sarcasm*
I guess some people's $15 a month is not as good as others $15... Seriously.. WTF?!
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Shanghilo
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Posted - 2009.03.12 01:07:00 -
[599]
Well,, I'm just another customer that cant play it seems,
I loaded up the New version,, got in to where I was before, accepted a mission,and clicked on Ships to reopen my group window and my screen turned white.
Really awesome graphics,, Very cool but now I cant play along with a large group of other folks that used the Classic version to enjoy the EVE product.
In the last 6 months alot of upgrades but none that a REGULAR computer user would not need to be conscerned with.
WE ARE ALL HAVING difficult economic times,, TO FORCE the user base to UPGRADE HARDWARE or Switch from a Laptop to a SUPER LAPTOP or move back into a Desktop PC to manage game/entertainment requirements when Countries and Users are going bankrupt is STUPID.
I Hope this can be resolved before the Number one product of Iceland loses market share and does not make its goals because of a poor management decision to eliminate the player base by a manditory upgrade of video requirements.
I run a Dell Lattitude 610 with an ATI chipset.. Eve Almost Runs,, it did until I opened up the Ship Group,, I reloaded it and now Get a White screen anytime after I enter Eve after My Toon is displayed,, Ive done all I can do to Optimize the settings for DOG mode but the NEW client will not funtion since I clicked on SHIPs.
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Vera Trash
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Posted - 2009.03.12 01:08:00 -
[600]
well, ccp is apparently ignoring us as well.. do you see any responses to the forum lately? guess theyre payin their employees to ignore us with our own money.
what a scam!
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