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StoneRhino
Ramm's RDI
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Posted - 2009.01.24 01:26:00 -
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Edited by: StoneRhino on 24/01/2009 01:33:56 Thanks Sky Marshal for that. I was going to say that as well.
If you've gotten this far, then I think you can tell that some folks just dont seem to give a ******* **** these past few posts. Thats fine. Some folks are given everything in life and never had to work for a single nickel, or known what its like making a choice between feeding their kids or buying a few dimebags of weed when they don't have a job. Oh, I'm sorry for offending those addicts out there, your kids are starving. (STFU KTHX)
Now, me? Well, going to be honest. I've made 8000$ last year working my job. I OWN my car. I put gas in it, even at 5$/gal. I have no more than 300$ at any given time. My medication costs on average 600$/mo. I do not live with my parents. I do not receive wellfare. I do not receive any kind of free money. Why? oh wait, that's what poverty is folks. OH and by the way, I've already talked to 3 ppl in eve and given them some of my old gear. GIVEN it. Because I'm a nice person and its good karma.
Now. If anyone wants to start another post about "LOLZ U R POOR!!", please feel free.
I'm posting as to voice my concerns that others share. I can already run 12 eve accounts with classic or 8 with premium content all on the same pc. Oh, and by the way, my rig costs less than 700$ (nope, not even quad core, or SLI/Crossfire). It took me 1 year to make the machine what it is.
It's already bad enough that folks cant pay their subscription. So I am going to ask YOU, CCP. Should people spend 2 months of their subscription to buy a card that can barely run Eve, then get ****ed off because later, you will be removing the support for that card they just bought.
For those folks still reading, the Intel GMA graphics hub does NOT, repeat, NOT support 2.0 shader. There are driver hacks available to trick games into running anyways. I did it so I could play UT2k4 on my laptop, but it looks like ****. Classic client on the Intel GMA only goes 10-15 fps anyhow. Good old Verite Rendition chips, good move Intel.
Chipsets older than these, will NOT function with shader 2.0: PCI-E and AGP Nvidia Geforce 6100's PCI-E and AGP ATI Radeon x300's PCI/PCI-E/AGP Nvidia FX cards? I can't call that one, It's for the most part a crap-shoot. Consider yourself good if your FX card is PCI-E.
For those curious about an app that can test for shader 2.0, CCP released one about a year or so ago for when trinity was initially released. You MAY be able to still find it on the forums. Try searching for it. I will scour my servers for a spare copy.
Moderator, I'm making a point here. The truth hurts. Nuff said My Previous Post
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Zoink Bshhh
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Posted - 2009.01.24 01:27:00 -
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Edited by: Zoink Bshhh on 24/01/2009 01:27:07 yes yes i did what CCP could have done :)
--> http://www.apeocorp.com/shadertester/ShaderModelTest.exe
its a installer it will install 2 things
1) the tool to check what shaders are supported 2) XNA 3.0 framework (the tool uses this framework from microsoft)
First it installs the tester, then it autostarts the xna installer (mandatory else it wont work)
once the XNA setup is done (just press next for a few time)
the tester will load this dos style box and state what shader is, and what shader is NOT supported...
Cheers!
omgdutch2005 (ingame)
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Kar'vel
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Posted - 2009.01.24 02:51:00 -
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So why would you want to make it so you would have 1/3 or your players have to leave eve as tehy can't afford to upgrade tehre systems during this resession? This is not the time to make your players have to deside if they should try to upgrade a computer or feed there families and pay bills as the computer will loose. I for one will be unable to upgrade to what you are asking and so I will have to be leaving eve. I wish it was not the case but it seem to be. |
Gummychaos
Caldari Red Star Navy Ethikos Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.24 05:08:00 -
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Well I'm thankful to CCP for making the updated graphics the standard and also finally bringing the mac platform in line with the PC version, graphics wise, the premium graphics run amazing. As for my specs, I run a Macbook Pro with a Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4Ghz processor with 4 GB of RAM and a GeForce 8600M GT with 256 MB VRAM. So hate on me for having an expensive laptop thats gonna last me a while, it was only $2100...although for those of you considering a new mac laptop, the new macbook, not pro with the GeForce 9400 M graphics chipset, not dedicated, can run EVE and it does have ShaderModel 3.0 support. Its only $1200, so take it for what it is. It is up to you to keep up with the way the game is going, I personally like this new direction we may lose lifelong players who've been here since the beginning, but its life, and we'll gain new players as well, those of you running multiple accounts on classic but can only run one on premium oh well, I don't feel one way or the other on that you either run it with the new premium lite or dont, personally imho, I like running one account and working in a corp with other people to do all those other jobs. But you do what you want with all that money you got going for ya. Also, note to CCP fix somethings with the mac client, allow a windowed mode from the settings screen instead of searching through a file and changing it. And also be able to actually go to the log out screen instead of quitting and rebooting. Other than that keep up the good work! |
Gargamell Smurf
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Posted - 2009.01.24 05:39:00 -
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Edited by: Gargamell Smurf on 24/01/2009 05:43:37
Quote: So why would you want to make it so you would have 1/3 or your players have to leave eve as tehy can't afford to upgrade tehre systems during this resession? ... I for one will be unable to upgrade to what you are asking and so I will have to be leaving eve. I wish it was not the case but it seem to be.
1/3?!?!?!
you can't upgrade WHAT? what is it that you will have to upgrade in order to play the updated client? explain to me in detail please.
I run EVE on a $75 refurbished office workstation that i got 5 years ago at a online junk sale. Windows 2000. 512 RAM. 500Mhz processor. (upgraded to 1Ghz for $40)I think i may have to get a slightly less sh***y GPU for the SM2, so that will probably cost me another $40. Is your computer like that?
If you have to decide between a $40 GPU upgrade and feeding your family then WHY THE F*** ARE YOU PLAYING A STUPID ONLINE GAME FOR $15 PER MONTH?!?!?! This forum is getting stupider by the hour! |
Hyena Jade
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Posted - 2009.01.24 06:10:00 -
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Hello,
whats about all the Ship or Station Graphics? I mean, i play the game on two PC, Desktop on Premium Graphics, Laptop on Classic Graphics:
My Final Conclusion: - for Ships like the Providence or the Prorator = Classic looks more awesome then Premium - for Stations like the Quafe or others (docked) = Classic looks more awesome (exclude the Minmatar Outpost docked on Premium ^^) - For Stations = has some Outside Fire Effects
Think about it...
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Tionisla
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Posted - 2009.01.24 06:22:00 -
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Does this mean AT LAST that anti-aliasing will be part of the engine? |
Astraal Forever
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Posted - 2009.01.24 07:33:00 -
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Why isn't there simply a 'minimum requirements' blog or a list of all stuff that will be able to run the new expansion? That will tell us what to get at the least and that's it, no more 'will it work?' questions. No problems on my PC if this is the tradition of concerning
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Andresky
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.24 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: xxxak If any of you can read, you will know the following is true:
Almost any desktop made in the last 8-9 years can have a video card dropped in it for about $50/Euro50 that will allow it to run EVE Lite.
Some very old laptops cannot run EVE and cannot be upgraded. Most of the affected laptops are at least 4-5 years old and were fairly cheap when purchased.
ENTIRE new computers/laptops that can run EVE well can be purchased for $200-400.
Thus, my response: if you cannot afford the $50 to $400 to continue playing EVE, I don't care if you quit, you are a loser.
hey you ignorant idiot... notebooks have onboard graphic... no change possible. a nnew notebook costs 700 euro upwards... you have the money? give it to me ;)
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2009.01.24 09:47:00 -
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Whiner whiner your pants are on fire.
Go dumpster-diving or buy an old used rig. Getting your hands on something that can play premium lite does not need to entail buying the latest laptop model from dell. |
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Elysarian
Minmatar dudetruck corp
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Posted - 2009.01.24 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Gummychaos Well I'm thankful to CCP for making the updated graphics the standard and also finally bringing the mac platform in line with the PC version, graphics wise, the premium graphics run amazing. As for my specs, I run a Macbook Pro with a Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4Ghz processor with 4 GB of RAM and a GeForce 8600M GT with 256 MB VRAM. So hate on me for having an expensive laptop thats gonna last me a while, it was only $2100...although for those of you considering a new mac laptop, the new macbook, not pro with the GeForce 9400 M graphics chipset, not dedicated, can run EVE and it does have ShaderModel 3.0 support. Its only $1200, so take it for what it is. It is up to you to keep up with the way the game is going, I personally like this new direction we may lose lifelong players who've been here since the beginning, but its life, and we'll gain new players as well, those of you running multiple accounts on classic but can only run one on premium oh well, I don't feel one way or the other on that you either run it with the new premium lite or dont, personally imho, I like running one account and working in a corp with other people to do all those other jobs. But you do what you want with all that money you got going for ya. Also, note to CCP fix somethings with the mac client, allow a windowed mode from the settings screen instead of searching through a file and changing it. And also be able to actually go to the log out screen instead of quitting and rebooting. Other than that keep up the good work!
Or... you could go get a WINDOWS laptop with the same specs for over $200 less?
Seriously... Mac fanboys annoy me, especially when the only real difference nowadays between their machines and PC's is the OS - Personally I'm not willing to pay close to a $300 premium for the OS (if I want to use 'nix I'll buy a machine with no OS and install Ubuntu on it for nothing, saving even more). |
DarkAssasain
Amarr The Underground Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.01.24 10:35:00 -
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very nice, though he premium lite with shader 2 or 3 should run fine with a graphics card like Nvidia GeForce 8500 GT? |
Andresky
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.24 10:57:00 -
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Edited by: Andresky on 24/01/2009 10:58:31
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab Getting your hands on something that can play premium lite does not need to entail buying the latest laptop model from dell.
Why shall I buy a new Notebook because of a game?
A question to CCP:
For me EVE says "Premium Content not supported". Does this also affect the upcoming "Premium Lite" version? |
Master Roll
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Posted - 2009.01.24 11:28:00 -
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3 -5%!! not from what im reading and hearing maybe you should publish (if u havent already) how u arrived at that figure. Bad move!!
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2009.01.24 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Andresky Edited by: Andresky on 24/01/2009 10:58:31
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab Getting your hands on something that can play premium lite does not need to entail buying the latest laptop model from dell.
Why shall I buy a new Notebook because of a game?
No one is forcing you to play EVE. |
Andresky
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.24 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Andresky Edited by: Andresky on 24/01/2009 10:58:31
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab Getting your hands on something that can play premium lite does not need to entail buying the latest laptop model from dell.
Why shall I buy a new Notebook because of a game?
No one is forcing you to play EVE.
Correct. Thats why I am asking "Why shall I buy..." ;) Just read the previous posts.
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Zeimanov Kalzumaan
Caldari Haruspex Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.24 13:15:00 -
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At the risk of sounding incredibly stupid, I'm not a computer person, how do I know if I can support shader 3?
I use a laptop with built-in graphice support rather than a dedicated card (mobile intel(R) 915GMS Express chipset). Without a dedicated IT bod, how am I supposed to be able to tell what I can and can't run?
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YaSiS
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Posted - 2009.01.24 13:50:00 -
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where is our sm 4.0 support ? first of all Laptop isnt made for gaming, you wanna game then build a desktop rig. second instead of putting time and effort in sm2.0 put some more time in visual upgrade like sm4.0 Graphics cards that deliver performance and visual experience are cheap these days for examble geforce 8/9 Radeon 4x series. latest generation graphics card supports 8x texture resolution and all kind of texture compression to hardware bumpmapping.
pricewatch Club3D GeForce 8800 GTGF 8800 GT512MBPCI-e2x DVI Ç 128,33 Asus Asus EN9600GT MG/HTDP/512MD2GF 9600 GT512MBPCI-e2x DVI, TV Ç 83,17 Sapphire HD 4830 512MB GDDR3 PCI-ERad. HD4830512MBPCI-e2x DVI DL, TV Ç 92,03 Sapphire HD 4850 512MB GDDR3 PCI-ERad. HD4850512MBPCI-e2x DVI DL, TV Ç 119,90
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Sweetness Sideways
Gallente Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2009.01.24 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Andresky Edited by: Andresky on 24/01/2009 10:58:31
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab Getting your hands on something that can play premium lite does not need to entail buying the latest laptop model from dell.
Why shall I buy a new Notebook because of a game?
A question to CCP:
For me EVE says "Premium Content not supported". Does this also affect the upcoming "Premium Lite" version?
ShaderTesterTool
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Anubis Sobek
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Posted - 2009.01.24 18:07:00 -
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Edited by: Anubis Sobek on 24/01/2009 18:13:44 Thank god ATI added Shader3 model cap to their x1000 series laptop cards!!!
On another note, Laptops like for me are the only way I have to go because of work and life style. Every week I am always in a different place because of work, so a desktop is out of the question. Also keep in mind laptops are a huge investment for a decent one. Most laptops under 800 dollars run really crappy internal graphic cards. Just because $800.00 to some folks does not sound like much, to others that can be one months rent + food.
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Gargamell Smurf
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Posted - 2009.01.24 21:44:00 -
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Edited by: Gargamell Smurf on 24/01/2009 21:49:15
Originally by: Andresky
hey you ignorant idiot... notebooks have onboard graphic... no change possible. a nnew notebook costs 700 euro upwards... you have the money? give it to me ;)
I run EVE on a $200 laptop. An OLD, beat up, used, refurbished laptop. It is well beyond the minimum requirements to play EVE. I don't get into large fleet fights on the laptop, but for average playing and small gang PVP, it works fine. In fact, EVE has been getting steadily easier to play on crappy systems because they continually work to smooth out the graphics, lag and latency issues. So you can all STFU with your whining about laptops.
I will say it again: If you don't understand what your rig is capable of, and don't understand what the new EVE upgrade means technically with regard to your hardware, then STFU. You will probably have no trouble with the new client. EVE is one of the FEW "high end" MMOG that is SPECIFICALLY designed to run on CRAP systems. |
Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.01.24 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Gargamell Smurf This forum is getting stupider by the hour!
I totally agree. Your posts make this forum worse at each time. So please, just go away.
Your experience is not a generality. All laptops are not like that, etc... I will not return every arguments of all posts of the two topics on this subject. You will have to read them, that you didn't do, or you wouldn't not write your posts. |
Gargamell Smurf
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Posted - 2009.01.24 22:18:00 -
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I'm sorry, could you have someone help you re-write that bit. Hard to understand what you are trying to say. |
Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.01.24 22:51:00 -
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Edited by: Sky Marshal on 24/01/2009 22:55:43
Yes I know, It is hard to not be born in an english speaking country but I am sure that you understood what I meant.
Quote: Club3D GeForce 8800 GT GF 8800 GT 512MB PCI-e 2x DVI € 128,33 Asus Asus EN9600GT MG/HTDP/512MD2 GF 9600 GT 512MB PCI-e 2x DVI, TV € 83,17 Sapphire HD 4830 512MB GDDR3 PCI-E Rad. HD4830 512MB PCI-e 2x DVI DL, TV € 92,03 Sapphire HD 4850 512MB GDDR3 PCI-E Rad. HD4850 512MB PCI-e 2x DVI DL, TV € 119,90
Pretty expensive stuff and some of them can require a new power supply unit, and can generate overheat problems, depending of the tower. |
Elysarian
Minmatar dudetruck corp
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Posted - 2009.01.24 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Sky Marshal Edited by: Sky Marshal on 24/01/2009 23:02:53
Yes I know, It is hard to not be born in an english speaking country but I am sure that you understood what I meant.
Quote: Club3D GeForce 8800 GT GF 8800 GT 512MB PCI-e 2x DVI Ç 128,33 Asus Asus EN9600GT MG/HTDP/512MD2 GF 9600 GT 512MB PCI-e 2x DVI, TV Ç 83,17 Sapphire HD 4830 512MB GDDR3 PCI-E Rad. HD4830 512MB PCI-e 2x DVI DL, TV Ç 92,03 Sapphire HD 4850 512MB GDDR3 PCI-E Rad. HD4850 512MB PCI-e 2x DVI DL, TV Ç 119,90
Pretty expensive stuff and some of them can require a new power supply unit, and can generate overheat problems, depending of the tower, so more expenses... Upgrading is not cheaper than some players can think. And a 40$ card can not be enough to have a good game experience (or CCP will create a good SM 2.0 client, but I doubt of it).
ALL of the cards you described here are Shader Model 4.0 or 4.1 and WAY overkill for the 10th March update...
drop down to a Radeon 2/3xxx or Geforce 6/7-series and you may find the prices a LOT lower - especially if you shop on Ebay. |
Japla
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Posted - 2009.01.25 04:20:00 -
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Well just my thoughts and a comment i want to make Eve has had the one thing that no other game has had and that is a game that all can run . now after paying monthly charges to play eve and countless skills learned alot of us wont be able to play it next winter if they goto shaders 3.0 ... shaders 2.0 for this march arent the issue most ppl should be fine. but shaders 3.0 will screw alot of ppl and not the 3-5% that ccp says mark my word it will be around 20% .... and remember ppl have more than one account too so all 4 of mine will be screwed thats 60+ bucks a month ccp will loose from me and countless other ppl infact out of the 100+ ppl ive talked to in my friend list in game 24% of them will be ok for shaders 3.0 the rest wont and some have already said hell with eve they dont want to waste time to find out they cant play next year... so ccp if your reading this which i doubt you are that would make to much sense ... upgrade to shaders 2.0 and stop there dont ruin what so many have worked so hard on .. remember the economy is messed up think ppl can spend a grand on a new pc think again..
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Uthayn
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.25 04:23:00 -
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Thanks! This will keep me able to play at whatever box or laptop I'm sitting at! |
majollnir
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Posted - 2009.01.25 04:24:00 -
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Its a terrible decision to disable sm2 and sm3 this winter. There are loyal customers that pay money every month to play this game. Now some of them wont be able to. This tells me that all ccp see's is dollar signs and dosnt care about being a game that people can play no matter what type of computer they can afford. There are people that spend what little money they have on the sub and cant afford to upgrade. This move makes me wonder if the time i have put into this game was worth it? So now some of us are going to be shown the door. |
Gargamell Smurf
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Posted - 2009.01.25 08:10:00 -
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Quote: ... upgrade to shaders 2.0 and stop there dont ruin what so many have worked so hard on .. remember the economy is messed up think ppl can spend a grand on a new pc think again..
Originally by: majollnir
Its a terrible decision to disable sm1 and sm2 this winter. There are loyal customers that pay money every month to play this game. Now some of them wont be able to. This tells me that all ccp see's is dollar signs and dosnt care about being a game that people can play no matter what type of computer they can afford. There are people that spend what little money they have on the sub and cant afford to upgrade. This move makes me wonder if the time i have put into this game was worth it? So now some of us are going to be shown the door.
They are NOT changing to SM3. They wanted to, but everyone said no, so they ARE NOT changing to SM3. They probably will eventually, in the future, but they have stated in the blog that they are NOT going to SM3. Everyone has plenty of time to enjoy SM2 because they ARE NOT going to SM3. Not this winter. Not until everyone is more willing to accept SM3. Read it again. It is NOT changing to SM3 and it will not change to SM3 any time soon. For now, it is STAYING SM2. That is the reason they wrote the SECOND blog about everyone rejecting SM3. READ THE BLOG.
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Mene Ya
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Posted - 2009.01.25 12:50:00 -
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well i will see what the light version will change to me... i buy 10 months ago a special 200$ boost Ati Saphire 2600 XT /512ram special for AGP platforms (have Direct X10 if you put Vista) running on Barton 2,6 GHz/1 G ram - to see premium... and? i can't see even now some constructions bunkers or sentry in missions in game. I send to CCP my directx and what they want. They say to me to disable the anti-aliasing... But heyyyoooo this graphic card DON'T HAVE the disable option, in fact have 4 option Smoothvision HD anti-aliasing and another Adaptive Anti-aliasing supersampling and multisampling so dear CCP ??... what i choose? heheheheheh
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