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Blastil
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Posted - 2009.01.12 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Rippey maybe -A-, BoB, SE, RZR, TCF and us can have our own "unofficial grumpy-farts-that-didnt-get-in" tournament.
Nothing of value was lost.
Besides, its not like -A-, BoB, SE, RZR, and TCF can do anything but blob relentlessly and crash server nodes. Since the alliance tournament is about SMALL GANG pvp, i'm glad to see the *******s that killed it stuck on the outside looking in.
**** you guys.
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.01.13 00:07:00 -
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Thinking, that large claiming alliances is unable to do anything in small gang warfare is mistake. |
Dapanman1
Amarr Beets and Gravy Syndicate The InterBus Initiative
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Posted - 2009.01.13 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Blazde 6 Atrocitas Members: 27
20 Divine 0rder Members: 13
25 Fifth Freedom Members: 24
41 Otherworld Empire Productions Members: 29
43 Prime Orbital Systems Members: 11 Wt-flying-f
57 The InterBus Initiative Members: 14
I'm all in favour of giving smaller alliances more opportunities, and the alliance tourney is certainly a good opportunity for an up-and-coming alliance to make a name for themselves.
The problem is it's an alliance tourney, and the entire concept of an alliance has been totally devalued in the last couple of years. One of my alliance's corporation's alt corp's alt corp (reread to make sure you get it) has more members than some of the above successful entries.
Yet you still didn't manage to sign up properly. |
Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies Sangre Azul
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Posted - 2009.01.13 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Blastil
Originally by: Rippey maybe -A-, BoB, SE, RZR, TCF and us can have our own "unofficial grumpy-farts-that-didnt-get-in" tournament.
Nothing of value was lost.
Besides, its not like -A-, BoB, SE, RZR, and TCF can do anything but blob relentlessly and crash server nodes. Since the alliance tournament is about SMALL GANG pvp, i'm glad to see the *******s that killed it stuck on the outside looking in.
**** you guys.
What an absolutely idiotic statement.
Of the 5 listed above, I've enjoyed intense small gang warfare against 3 of those named, and won't comment on the other 2 due to lack of contact with them.
Much agreed with the OP. If round robin requires too much time and coordination for the dev's then go with a period to sign up (like the two weeks in this tournament), leave it open the entire time for sign ups, hand out the reserved slots, and then make a draw for the rest. |
Sakura Nihil
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.01.13 00:42:00 -
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Agreed with the Thug.
This change, if accepted, probably won't happen for this tourney, but seriously consider it for next one. I'd rather have a Rote team enter, get whooped, and sent home after Day 1 than this drawing by random method any day.
Why stop it at just "until we get to 64 teams"? Why not 32, 16, or just go that way all the way to the championship?
Sigh, I suppose at least I'll be able to NOM this tin of popcorn I haven't got around to yet . |
Boma Airaken
The Divine Comedy Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2009.01.13 00:50:00 -
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Man some of you people touting that only the big alliances should be in tourney utterly stink, especially the guy moaning about the size of the alliance, Blazde.
The first item on your little list is Atrocitas with a measly 20-some-odd members. So what. We have fought them in the past and they are extremely competent, wily, tactically competent pvpers, who in a single elimination preliminary would more than likely make it to the tournament with ease.
I would be just as honored to fight them as I would BoB, Goons, or the myriad other totally anonymous top 10 zombie alliances.
Territory and politics and size have nothing to do with the tournament. Skills, brains, and awesomesauce out of the box thinking DO.
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Boma Airaken
The Divine Comedy Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2009.01.13 00:58:00 -
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Edited by: Boma Airaken on 13/01/2009 00:59:43
Originally by: Sakura Nihil Agreed with the Thug.
This change, if accepted, probably won't happen for this tourney, but seriously consider it for next one. I'd rather have a Rote team enter, get whooped, and sent home after Day 1 than this drawing by random method any day.
Why stop it at just "until we get to 64 teams"? Why not 32, 16, or just go that way all the way to the championship?
Sigh, I suppose at least I'll be able to NOM this tin of popcorn I haven't got around to yet .
I really had hoped you guys would be in. Not just for the friendly competition, but because I think you guys could whoop just about anyone on the list.
So yeah, for the third time, this system was crap. |
JS LiamElms
Gallente Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.13 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: Blazde
43 Prime Orbital Systems Members: 11 Wt-flying-f
The problem is it's an alliance tourney, and the entire concept of an alliance has been totally devalued in the last couple of years. One of my alliance's corporation's alt corp's alt corp (reread to make sure you get it) has more members than some of the above successful entries.
i for see this number rising ;)
however, for what its worth, some of the top alliances should rreally get a by through to stage 2. member size related... or to do with last performance ranking. |
NAYRL
Gallente Chaos From Order
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Posted - 2009.01.13 02:18:00 -
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First off never complain about having a problem with the time of day something happens in eve, im from Australia and dt is right in the middle of my prime.
Second, this is the alliance tournament, not the big boys club tournament, here every alliance is treated the same (expect the team from the last few years, as it should be) im from a smaller empire alliance, do we have less of a right from entering then a major 0.0 alliance?
i agree that they could expand the tournament to include more team, prelim knock out would be good, but why is it that these issues are only raised when one of the major alliance's are left out, if our alliance didnt make it we would be cut, but we wouldnt whine about it on the forum about how unfair it was and if we made a post we would have gotten "to bad, should have been quicker" from one of you "major" alliances |
Weirda
Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.01.13 02:47:00 -
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Edited by: Weirda on 13/01/2009 03:28:46
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Rajere
No Trademark Notoriety Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.13 02:48:00 -
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Edited by: Rajere on 13/01/2009 03:10:28 Looking at some of the teams who made it and some of the teams who didn't -but wanted to compete- makes me sad panda :/ I can't complain too much because atleast they're having the tournament again, but with only 2 preliminary matches (yet somehow a "swiss" ranking system?) and that field of 64 participants, meh. There was already going to be very little filtering taking place between the preliminaries and the finals, now there's going to be less.
I think the main problem with this year's entry process was that they lowered the entry fee to 500mil. Raising the number of teams to 64 was needed, there was a handful of teams last year who didn't get in. However, they should have also increased the entry fee to 2B as well, as it would have cut down the number of questionable entries while still not remaining a barrier for any real team.
Originally by: Blazde 6 Atrocitas Members: 27
20 Divine 0rder Members: 13
25 Fifth Freedom Members: 24
41 Otherworld Empire Productions Members: 29
43 Prime Orbital Systems Members: 11 Wt-flying-f
57 The InterBus Initiative Members: 14
I'm all in favour of giving smaller alliances more opportunities, and the alliance tourney is certainly a good opportunity for an up-and-coming alliance to make a name for themselves.
The problem is it's an alliance tourney, and the entire concept of an alliance has been totally devalued in the last couple of years. One of my alliance's corporation's alt corp's alt corp (reread to make sure you get it) has more members than some of the above successful entries.
Not that I don't agree about the numbers of some of those teams, but both kadeshi and Notoriety were two very small alliances who made it to the quarter finals last tournament, earning them a reserved spot in this one.
If you wanna argue the alliance tournament is drifting further away from "real" alliances, then why aren't you questioning The Five? or Green Alliance from last tourney? Or the 4 spots held for whoever the plex runners deem their champion from FW? Most of those entries are probably place holder alliances and they will be populated by the time the tournament begins, but even if they aren't, <50 member alliances have done well in the past, and with the rules this tourney, they could easily go all the way & win this one. -------------------------- NOTR Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal |
NAYRL
Gallente Chaos From Order
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Posted - 2009.01.13 03:22:00 -
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Edited by: NAYRL on 13/01/2009 03:22:16
Originally by: Rajere Edited by: Rajere on 13/01/2009 03:10:28 If you wanna argue the alliance tournament is drifting further away from "real" alliances, then why aren't you questioning The Five? or Green Alliance from last tourney? Or the 4 spots held for whoever the plex runners deem their champion from FW? Most of those entries are probably place holder alliances and they will be populated by the time the tournament begins, but even if they aren't, <50 member alliances have done well in the past, and with the rules this tourney, they could easily go all the way & win this one.
seconded
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WShatner
Wonderfull Toys
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Posted - 2009.01.13 03:24:00 -
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Edited by: WShatner on 13/01/2009 03:32:22 Evil Thug and AAA knew the rules in advance. If he can't abide by the rules, then he fails this first test and shouldn't qualify anyway.
Not like AAA or BoB would have won the tournament anyway with PL in it.
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Anatolli Korenchken
VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.01.13 04:11:00 -
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Well seeing as only the alliance leader can signup, the process favors those alliance leaders whose timezone is best for the 1200 GMT.
How about changing so that two signup periods are given, 12 hours apart, with max of 32 entries allocated for each period. ---------------
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Rajere
No Trademark Notoriety Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.13 04:37:00 -
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Originally by: Anatolli Korenchken Well seeing as only the alliance leader can signup, the process favors those alliance leaders whose timezone is best for the 1200 GMT.
How about changing so that two signup periods are given, 12 hours apart, with max of 32 entries allocated for each period.
that's even more ridiculous than leaving it as it is now. They just need to increase the cost of the entry fee so non-serious alliance's dont bother applying, leaving room for the rest. -------------------------- NOTR Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal |
Borgholio
Minmatar Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.13 05:03:00 -
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I support the idea of unlimited applications and simply increasing the number of qualifying rounds. It may take longer, but it's much more fair than forcing people to camp the website until the exact minute signups open and pray they get in soon enough. Plus it could possibly mean more unexpected and entertaining matches as the qualifying rounds progress. ----------------------------------- You will be assimilated...bunghole! |
Mes Ren
No Trademark Notoriety Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.13 05:39:00 -
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I believe everyone will agree that it was completely underestimated at how much interest there would be to participate in the tournament. I don't believe that bumping the entry fee would have effected this (the only purpose the fee serves to begin with is a deterent for no shows at your assign fight slot). The only real solution to the problem would have been more slots available to participate in the tournament -- even that I don't believe would have solved the problem, just eased it. There really isn't a perfect solution. If you allowed a scalable amount of people to participate (meaning expanding the number of slots based on the number of applicants), then you have the problem of not knowing how many days you need to hold the tournament -- thus people can't plan for it, and don't know if they can participate. If you have a set number of slots, then you will always have people left out or have slots that go unfilled.
Honestly, I think CCP ran things as fair as possible. The only real hiccup was a lot more interest in participation than anyone thought. CCP was very careful to spell things out very clearly and far in advance. Everyone had plenty of notice of day, time, and process for entry (even Goonswarm's accounting department was able to get the instructions right). I know this much, if most people had any idea how fast it would fill up, they would have made addtional arrangements to make sure they were available to apply the second sign-ups started. ________________________
No Trademark -- Mes Ren, Mes Builder -- -- CEO --
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McFly
C0LDFIRE RUDE Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.13 05:53:00 -
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No Offense to ET, much respect man. But AT6 was important enough to me and the guys I fly with to be up at 3am to signup then send in the isk at 5am when I started getting ready for work. Although I do agree that the system is quite unfair, it also allows for more small upstart alliances to get involved. Looking back to AT5 we can see a lot of names come into the light that very few knew before hand, Cry Havoc is an example.
But yes those small alliances that want to get into the limelight and have some fun flying their colors would enjoy the chance to upset the big names, and seeing that many of the big names aren't in the bracket is a disappointment.
But back to the matter at hand I agree the 12:00GMT system doesn't work that well, but I don't have a suggestion that is balanced and sufficient to post.
To those that are in the list. Looking forward to the fights.
--McFly-- |
Boma Airaken
The Divine Comedy Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2009.01.13 06:16:00 -
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Edited by: Boma Airaken on 13/01/2009 06:17:09 The people talking about the fee being the problem are cracking me up. 500m is just as much pocket change as 2 billion is to anyone with a brain. It is REFUNDABLE upon completion of your tournament obligations. Nobody loses anything. It has NOTHING to do with who got in and who didn't.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions
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Posted - 2009.01.13 06:42:00 -
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Originally by: WShatner Edited by: WShatner on 13/01/2009 03:32:22 Evil Thug and AAA knew the rules in advance. If he can't abide by the rules, then he fails this first test and shouldn't qualify anyway.
Not like AAA or BoB would have won the tournament anyway with PL in it.
Well they didn't know 3 hours after signups opened would be too late, I don't think anyone anticipated THAT much participation
I kindof agree with your trolling tho, PL are extremely good at this kind of small-scale stuff, and TWD isn't around atm which I assume is why BoB isn't taking part. (apart from ATUK) |
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DeWieKat
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.01.13 06:47:00 -
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Originally by: WShatner Edited by: WShatner on 13/01/2009 03:32:22 Evil Thug and AAA knew the rules in advance. If he can't abide by the rules, then he fails this first test and shouldn't qualify anyway.
Not like AAA or BoB would have won the tournament anyway with PL in it.
space on CAOD isnt enough for you? you fkn troller, you have to come in here and spam here too? get lost. |
Viper ShizzIe
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.13 08:26:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug Thinking, that large claiming alliances is unable to do anything in small gang warfare is mistake.
No, you can blob the **** out of them.
That's something, right? |
Goberth Ludwig
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.13 08:38:00 -
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What a baby, same complaints every tourney because the same big alliances that can alarm clock 100 people for a POS bash cant be arsed to read the rules and push a button. Scroll downs posts same whines last year
- Gob
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CCP Claw
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Posted - 2009.01.13 09:11:00 -
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Bad luck to the teams that missed their entry.
We did give apt notice for teams to be able to complete the signup process appropriately, and as Eve is a global game there is no time which we can set that can accommodate everyone perfectly. I would like to advise, though, that if you see a potential rules problem or issue that it would be a good idea to mention the issue in advance of it arising rather than waiting to see if you got in before making a complaint.
I would like to point out that many of the alliances that you guys are upset not to see didn't even try to sign up. Also, when the registration process dropped temporarily, it was only down for 15-20 minutes and there was an immediate post on this forum informing of what was happening, so no one should have lost any time there although of course it was not ideal.
This is not the 'big alliance tournament' nor the '0.0 spaceholding alliance tournament'. This is the Alliance Tournament and all alliances, big and small, are welcome to compete. We have made a major step up from last time in terms of teams entered and we are really looking forward to this new tournament as I know many others are.
Good luck to all the teams involved and again, bad luck to the teams that missed it. |
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QwaarJet
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.01.13 09:19:00 -
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We did sign up, we missed out on payment because the rules require one person and one person only to send the fee in time, which means if that person is out of action for a couple of days due to RL stuff then an entire alliance screwed.
The rules need to be changed for signups so that at least the team captain can send the fee or another CEO.
There are too many Mickey Mouse teams in this year's tournament and not enough top tier players. I honestly expect Pandemic Legion to waltz to victory unless they get hit by a piece of bad luck. I can only see HUN, CAIN or maybe Evoke challenging them.
I will say the same thing that was suggested after last year's farcical organization : Player Council. We have the CSM for general EVE issues, why not a Player Council for the tournament? |
Derwent
Caldari Free Lapland The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2009.01.13 09:20:00 -
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Are u insisting just cus kadeshi is small we are not a real alliance?... |
Anatolli Korenchken
VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.01.13 09:23:00 -
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Alarm clocking isn't a problem, but taking a day off work is a bit of an ask for some people. Oh and not everybody works in offices.
As a spectator, I would rather watch AAA vs BOB or MM vs Triumvirate battle it out rather than Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups vs Gay4Life or half of the other randoms that barely anyone cares about. Can't have everything though |
QwaarJet
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.01.13 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: Derwent Are u insisting just cus kadeshi is small we are not a real alliance?...
When I say Mickey Mouse I mean in terms of ability and reputation, not size. Some of the best skilled alliances in the game are tiny.
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Charlie Luciano
The Administration Cosa Nostra.
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Posted - 2009.01.13 09:31:00 -
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Didn't we have the exact same situation last tournament with several of the bigger alliances whining about not getting to participate because they didn't bother preparing for something as simple as signing up?
We didn't sign up for this years tournament, so I wont presume to know how the sign up process has changed for this time around, but all in all it still feels immensely like a dTja vu, reading this post. It may not have been perfect but just like last year it wasn't because of lack of information on CCPs part. It was once again a lack of preparation from the whining parties in most cases, and why the hell should CCP continously change the format of the tournament just because YOU couldn't be bothered changing something in the alliance to be able to sign up for the tournament?
Fake EDIT: I know some people had problems signing up, and while I would understand a whinepost from them, it is a joke seeing a leader of a big alliance whining just because he couldn't be bothered sorting out one of his directors being alliance leader so that person could sign up his alliance _____________________________
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Bex Beere
Caldari Brewery Research Ltd Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.01.13 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Claw This is the Alliance Tournament and all alliances, big and small, are welcome to compete.
Well with a 5k member alliance and a 5 member alliance in then you accomplished your goal
Good luck to those who made it and hopefully we will see some fun and surprising matches again.
Bex Beere
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