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Captain Falcord
Gallente Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.11.28 13:00:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Falcord on 28/11/2008 13:05:53 Edited by: Captain Falcord on 28/11/2008 13:03:07 Hey guys, I have a pretty funny situation here :P.
Two friends of mine, who are going to start playing the game, are twins. They challenged me to design the ship model that does BEST at working in pairs, with the same setup on both ships. They asked me to make a pair of "twin" ships. They wanted it to be battlecruiser or below. If they like it, training the skills to fly it will be their main goal.
So, after scratching my head for a while, I came up with a setup I'm pretty happy about. It's my prototype of the "perfect twin". I'd like you to rate it and tell me what you would change.
[Myrmidon, Twin] Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II
ECCM - Magnetometric II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Faint Warp Disruptor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Large Remote Armor Repair System II Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Remote Repair Augmentor I Remote Repair Augmentor I Remote Repair Augmentor I
Hammerhead II x5 Ogre II x3 Warrior II x5
(Rigs are optimal, just if you have a lot of money to throw in)
What it's supposed to do is maximize armor resistances (every one is around 80%) and use some spare highs (which aren't that important in the myrmidon) to rep the other guy if in trouble. An extremely tanked, two-headed monster, not too expensive either (rigs are really optional), and with a really tight fit. I chose ACs for the capacitor problems. Also, if one of them gets primaried for long enough to get his twin to lose the boosters, they can share mid-fight.
What could those twins lose against? 10x warriors against the tacklers, a combined 800 DPS for breaking tanks and ECCM to prevent them breaking the remote reps.
Waiting for your opinions ^^ ---<---@ JackFalcord |
NoNah
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Posted - 2008.11.28 13:05:00 -
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I can't really see the point in using the myrmid since it's balanced for a decent repair amount bonus. I would probably go with a hurricane for example, still using the remote rep idea. Or even the harbinger. Or even the drake. Parrots, commence!
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lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.28 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Falcord
Two friends of mine, who are going to start playing the game, are twins.
Ok this is very imporatant and i want you to think very carefully before answering.
ARE THE TWINS FEMALE, BLOND, NUBILE, 21 YEAR OLD NYMPHO'S THAT HAVE PILLOW FIGHTS IN WHITE TIGHT UNDERWEAR?.
PLEASE I BEG OF YOU CONSIDER THE IMPLICATIONS OF WHATEVER ANSWER YOU GIVE.
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Captain Falcord
Gallente Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.11.28 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: lecrotta
Originally by: Captain Falcord
Two friends of mine, who are going to start playing the game, are twins.
Ok this is very imporatant and i want you to think very carefully before answering.
ARE THE TWINS FEMALE, BLOND, NUBILE, 21 YEAR OLD NYMPHO'S THAT HAVE PILLOW FIGHTS IN WHITE TIGHT UNDERWEAR?.
PLEASE I BEG OF YOU CONSIDER THE IMPLICATIONS OF WHATEVER ANSWER YOU GIVE.
They are female, they are dark-haired, very pretty, and 18 year old. ---<---@ JackFalcord |
Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.11.28 13:07:00 -
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I would go with more Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II and some plates to try and maxemize HP vs reistance for max yield. But thats me ^^. Otherwise a soldi setups, got the needed mods for PvP and such, and projectile weapons on myrm is handy. Maby toy around witht eh rigs a bit, to make sure each shap can sustain some damage in case remote rep is not hat hand.
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Captain Falcord
Gallente Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.11.28 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah I can't really see the point in using the myrmid since it's balanced for a decent repair amount bonus. I would probably go with a hurricane for example, still using the remote rep idea. Or even the harbinger. Or even the drake.
The point is... Using the highs from the cane would mean cutting down the DPS, where myrm's DPS comes almost entirely from drones, so I can do well without those highs.
Also, the myrm can carry ECCM, while the Cane can't, at least so easily, so a falcon would destroy them. Also, the drake is in a severe lack of lows, so the buffer tank wouldn't be enough for the remote reps to be worth it. ---<---@ JackFalcord |
Davina Braben
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Posted - 2008.11.28 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Falcord
Originally by: lecrotta
Originally by: Captain Falcord
Two friends of mine, who are going to start playing the game, are twins.
Ok this is very imporatant and i want you to think very carefully before answering.
ARE THE TWINS FEMALE, BLOND, NUBILE, 21 YEAR OLD NYMPHO'S THAT HAVE PILLOW FIGHTS IN WHITE TIGHT UNDERWEAR?.
PLEASE I BEG OF YOU CONSIDER THE IMPLICATIONS OF WHATEVER ANSWER YOU GIVE.
They are female, they are dark-haired, very pretty, and 18 year old.
This thread smells funny
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Captain Falcord
Gallente Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.11.28 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Davina Braben
Originally by: Captain Falcord
Originally by: lecrotta
Originally by: Captain Falcord
Two friends of mine, who are going to start playing the game, are twins.
Ok this is very imporatant and i want you to think very carefully before answering.
ARE THE TWINS FEMALE, BLOND, NUBILE, 21 YEAR OLD NYMPHO'S THAT HAVE PILLOW FIGHTS IN WHITE TIGHT UNDERWEAR?.
PLEASE I BEG OF YOU CONSIDER THE IMPLICATIONS OF WHATEVER ANSWER YOU GIVE.
They are female, they are dark-haired, very pretty, and 18 year old.
This thread smells funny
Yeah well, now let's not drive it too off-topic and help me with the setup :P ---<---@ JackFalcord |
fivetide humidyear
Gallente EXCESS10N
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Posted - 2008.11.28 13:21:00 -
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for the myrm, i'd get a gyrostab II on there and switch to 2x eanm II 1x exp hardner, ac's need the boost. maybe a falloff rig or two to help out as well.
maybe swap a disruptor for a scrambler on one of the ships, i know it breaks the symmetry but it may help.
2 ships is barely a spider tank, one large repper isn't that much repair and not too hard to ecm one BC out of the fight for 50%ish of the time, you'd probably do better with 2 gank fit myrms, or setup for tanking with dual MAR II's.
for a twin setup i'd probably run with 2 gank fit BC's, and rely on dps tank.
for eg 2 gank harbys can be easily over 1200dps from guns and then mess with the dronebays for variation and ecm protection.
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Miss KillSome
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.28 13:27:00 -
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problem is in remote armor rep range.. they go outside that range (8,4km?) and they are dead..
and there is alot of situations where u are at least 10km away from your gang member, not to mention one large remote rep will dry your cap dry pretty fast.
I would rather go with dual gank brutix with some light local tank and 5x medium remote armor drones..Brutix can dish out alot of dps while can rep some too..It has 4 mids, which is good: mwd/AB, point, web/eccm, cap injector.
fit neutrons with MFS, DCU II, 2x EANM II, MAR II, or if u gonna fly with logistic drones, drop one EANM and fit another MFS.. rigs: either 2x nano pump for extra reppage or one nano pump and cycle time reducing one..
with some ZET-x00 implants u can get some nice tank out of it..
Myrmidon is problem with his drones..they can be poped very fast.. ----- TCODA corporation is recruiting! TCODA is awesome! |
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Hardtail
Ever Flow Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.28 13:37:00 -
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Also keep in mind you're going to have them crosstraining the moment they start playing -_-' hardly optimal imo
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Captain Falcord
Gallente Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.11.28 13:42:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Falcord on 28/11/2008 13:45:46 Edited by: Captain Falcord on 28/11/2008 13:44:11
Thank you for the suggestions :)
Anyway, while the range an cap problems are indeed something to worry about, don't you think the raw tank these two can achieve is worth it?
Let me do some quick math:
Repair amount * armor EHP ------------------------- = tank = around 450 Repair time * Armor HP
These guys, when remote repping each other, have a 450 damage stable tank. That's pretty big actually... Dunno
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Rexthor Hammerfists
Rage of Inferno
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Posted - 2008.11.28 13:44:00 -
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A damage dealer and a Ewar ship.
Griffin and Kestrel. Any eac with a dmg dealing ceptor. Recon with hac. Ewar cruiser with battlecruiser.
Use damps with medium range guns. Ecm with anything Tracking disrupter with either closerange guns or longrange ones.
Use min. webs with longrange guns. -
Boosters and PirateProfessions
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Captain Falcord
Gallente Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.11.28 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists A damage dealer and a Ewar ship.
Griffin and Kestrel. Any eac with a dmg dealing ceptor. Recon with hac. Ewar cruiser with battlecruiser.
Use damps with medium range guns. Ecm with anything Tracking disrupter with either closerange guns or longrange ones.
Use min. webs with longrange guns.
That would be easy, but the challenge is they have to be symetric, exactly the same setup on both :P ---<---@ JackFalcord |
Sigras
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Posted - 2008.11.28 14:52:00 -
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im thinking 2X passive tanked drakes with shield rep drones on each other and a shield transfer in the utility high
if they get jammed go FOF
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Jin Entres
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.11.28 15:18:00 -
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Harbies wouldn't be too bad either. Here's a possible setup (requires -5% turret CPU implant [they are only 20m though]):
[Harbinger, Harbio] Internal Force Field Array I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Heat Sink II Heat Sink II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Faint Warp Prohibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Medium 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I
Hammerhead II x5
CPU 468.64 / 468.75 PG 1788.6 / 1875
The navy EANM obviously costs around 20m and is difficult to get around CPU-wise. Hopefully cost is not an issue.
DPS 527 with Scorch (20 + 3.8) and 620 with Amarr Navy Multifrequency (6.8 + 3.8) EHP 79.5K (18.4K armor)
Injector sustains everything as long as charges last.
The remote rep tanks 122 DPS (may seem slow but normal buffer tanks have no repping at all and purely active tanks are not that great, plus the mere fact that you can rep armor damage in space on buffer is often valuable).
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Kuzya Morozov
Gallente L8L8L8
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Posted - 2008.11.28 15:32:00 -
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Please don't use RR set-ups for BC and below..it just doesn't work :(
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis
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Posted - 2008.11.28 15:39:00 -
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If the ships have to be the same, I'd just use 2x solo gank fits.
Two gank Brutix/Harbinger could melt just about anything that gets in range
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fivetide humidyear
Gallente EXCESS10N
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Posted - 2008.11.28 15:44:00 -
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drop the amarr navy eanm II for an adaptive nano plating II, drop a few thousand ehp but gain another harbinger in mod costs :)
i prefer a bit more gank, especially if 2 of you there
7x heavy pulse II scorch / AN multifrequency 1x offlined medium solace repper (post fight repping)
10mn mwd II warp disruptor II x5 webber small cap booster II
2x heat sink II 800mm plate EANM II adaptive nano plating II damage control II
rigs to suit, i look for maybe one trimark, then cheap additional rigs drones Ec-600's, warriors, hammerhreads whatever.
more dps, more agile
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StoreSlem
Minmatar 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.11.28 15:56:00 -
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[Myrmidon, twin myrmi] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Armor Explosive Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Medium 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
Nanobot Accelerator I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1
366 x2 dps, 800dps tanked
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Hallowed ground
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Posted - 2008.11.28 16:02:00 -
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op, I am a twin and you might want to think about 2 of the ship but each having opposite roles. My twin brother is a hard right wing repub and i am a socialist so maybe have them both fly celestis with same fit but one with lock time scripts and one with range scripts. just my 2 cents
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Trevor Warps
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Posted - 2008.11.28 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: Trevor Warps on 28/11/2008 16:08:53 This thread is cool, I like it.
For the above Myrm setup :
I would fit more than one remote rep, it doesnt rep that much armor and you dont have a buffer, so you want to rep fast. I would go with a minimum of 3 remote reps, maybe less if you fit some buffer (1600mm plate). Fit a 2nd cap booster if you cant sustain them with one.
The twin Hurricane idea is nice too, stick 6 guns, 2 remotes and a plate on each.
As said also, two gank fits would beat pretty much any single ship ... but one of them might pop on particularily though targets.
Twin gank Taranis ! One with the 24km diss and one with the scram
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Kedino
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.11.28 16:10:00 -
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I would probably go for vexor until they can fly HACs, then the Ishtar.
Drone ships pack a lot of utility, and they're not as slow as the Myrm. Armor rep drones, ECM drones, Sentry drones, plain old normal drones of all sizes and shapes, it's a virtual goodybag of situational tools. Also, both these ships have enough mids to fit some useful stuff, enough lows for a reasonable tank, and do good damage without all guns in their highs, so you have room to play around with remote reps, nos, whatever catches your fancy.
I'll look at exact fittings when I get home. Can't really sit at work and fit ships...
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Sean Faust
Gallente Point of No Return Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.28 17:55:00 -
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Any Cruiser-sized or smaller blaster boat duo'd with an ECM ship is going to deadly as hell to 90% of ships you would come across. Examples would be:
Incursus + Griffin (in the beginning, though a rifter or punisher may be a better choice than the incursus for t1 frigs)
Taranis + Kitsune
Thorax + Blackbird
Deimos + Falcon
Basically any combo of a high dps gank ship plus an EWAR ship whose utility helps to disable the opponent while keeping the gank ship alive will be deadly to 90% of possible ships you could come across.
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Raniss
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Posted - 2008.11.28 18:14:00 -
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2x Osprey's
High: 1x Large Remote Shield 3x Medium Pulse II
Medium: 1x Large Shield Extender II 2x Invul II 1x WD/Web
Low: 3x Cap Power Relay II
Rigs: 2x ccc
Drones: 4x Hobgoblin II
50km rr range, 150+ dps, and....cap stable!
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Alatari
Gallente Winterdawn
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Posted - 2008.11.28 19:01:00 -
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Edited by: Alatari on 28/11/2008 19:01:46
Originally by: Captain Falcord They challenged me to design the ship model that does BEST at working in pairs, with the same setup on both ships. They asked me to make a pair of "twin" ships. They wanted it to be battlecruiser or below. If they like it, training the skills to fly it will be their main goal.
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Nexus Kinnon
Genos Occidere Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.11.28 19:05:00 -
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thread is worthless w/o pictures of the aforementioned twins imo
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.11.28 19:27:00 -
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No one mentioned logistics ship? Twinned logistics are awesome. -- 249km locking? |
Captator
Universal Securities
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Posted - 2008.11.28 19:34:00 -
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Pair of hurricanes, can plate gank them, nano*** them, rep fit them, dual rem rep fit them etc
+ they look cool, work well, and are very versatile
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Felix Dzerzhinsky
Caldari Wreckless Abandon G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.11.28 20:39:00 -
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Harbinger IMO - Heavy Pulse IIs, 5 drones, melt stuff. ----
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