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ArcDragon
Caldari FUSION INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2008.11.13 22:53:00 -
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I have forced myself to read through 3 complete threads regarding these new in game time tokens.
I personally do not feel that these should be subject to scamming as they are literaly real money.
I get that Eve is "dangerous", but I'll bet there is a court somewhere in the world that won't think scamming people with something so close to real life money is a legitimate thing to do.
But I digress.
EASY FIX: DO NOT ALLOW PLAYERS TO PUT WANT TO BUY ORDERS INVOLVING THESE TOKENS. ONLY SELL ORDERS ARE ALLOWED.
Easy to program and a great compromise between not being able to stop scamming versus having to take them out because they can't stop the scamming with current controls.
Shows that they at least took SOME steps to prevent theft and cons, and why would you not do that for your player base???
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.11.13 22:54:00 -
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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 13/11/2008 22:55:28
Originally by: ArcDragon Shows that they at least took SOME steps to prevent theft and cons, and why would you not do that for your player base???
Because they are in-game items, and in-game items are subject to scamming.
You really think CCP didn't think about this carefully? That they can be contracted is CCP's statement on them.
Originally by: ArcDragon I personally do not feel that these should be subject to scamming as they are literaly real money.
This is also incorrect, they are not real money. They are items bought with real money. -
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ArcDragon
Caldari FUSION INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2008.11.13 22:58:00 -
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I really hoped for a different attitude for a first reply.
As I stated, I read those threads where they said exactly what you are stating.
So I will reitterate: Why would you NOT prevent scamming to a larger degree just for this item BECAUSE IT IS REAL LIFE MONEY?
Quit being daft about it and admit that it should be treated differntly than other items.
It's not difficult, no Want to Buy orders allowed when this item is on the table.
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Salarc
Salarc Research industries
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:00:00 -
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Want to buy orders do not allow scams, the player has to look at a price and accept. Further they are important to establishing a proper market for the cards.
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Aphena Geo
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:01:00 -
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The small problem with making them JUST Sell orders is what I wanted 4 or 5 of them.. I would place a buy order for 5 of them for say 1.4B. as it would save just a little ISK per PLEX. I know someone would take that, as they look at it, it would be 20mil per PLEX so they may take that deal.
What I don't like is the fact they have to be activated in the station you're at. Meaning that 90% of these will be sold in Jita, which mean if you want more time, you either pay a premium for no travel time, or Autopilot to Jita once a month.
They should activate from your assets window.
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Aphena Geo The small problem with making them JUST Sell orders is what I wanted 4 or 5 of them.. I would place a buy order for 5 of them for say 1.4B. as it would save just a little ISK per PLEX. I know someone would take that, as they look at it, it would be 20mil per PLEX so they may take that deal.
What I don't like is the fact they have to be activated in the station you're at. Meaning that 90% of these will be sold in Jita, which mean if you want more time, you either pay a premium for no travel time, or Autopilot to Jita once a month.
They should activate from your assets window.
Um they do activate from your assets window.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Salarc Want to buy orders do not allow scams, the player has to look at a price and accept. Further they are important to establishing a proper market for the cards.
This.
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Nasty Master
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:08:00 -
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"Scamming" nowadays is almost fully neglience of the buyer, rather then skill of the scammer. Don't be an idiot and you won't get scammed.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: ArcDragon So I will reitterate: Why would you NOT prevent scamming to a larger degree just for this item BECAUSE IT IS REAL LIFE MONEY?
Because it is not real money. Because the purpose of putting it in the in-game market is to make it subject to the in-game market, and the in-game market includes scamming.
Originally by: ArcDragon Quit being daft about it and admit that it should be treated differently than other items.
Your argument as to why is illogical. Quit being daft and accept that the way you want things to be isn't necessarily the way they should be. -
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:13:00 -
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Don't see the need for this, altho it'd be fine if ccp decided to implement it. I doubt they will. If it was that easy i bet they already would have.
Also, the tokens arent real money anymore then anything else is on that market:
token order to order for stuff like ore : one step $ to token: two steps
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Faife
Noctiscion
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:21:00 -
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why the heck is a buy order scamming? if i make a buy order for 400k and someone sells me a GTC then they sold me a GTC for exactly the price i listed and exactly the price they saw and clicked on
wth is the big deal about that? --
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Gojyu
Ever Flow Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:45:00 -
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It is not real money. The second you break your gtc into two plex's, it automatically becomes ccp's property. You no longer own it.
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ArcDragon
Caldari FUSION INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:45:00 -
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A Want to Buy order is the principle vehicle for scamming, it is by no means the only one.
Here is the scam:
I make a Want to Buy order for a game time token stating in the description that others choose my contract over others for (at first) to state "Want to Buy: 1 GTC for 450m"
I put in only 450,000 isk, or perhaps, 45,000,000 isk.
You get the picture.
If it has a SAVE button...I'm not interested. |
Mire Stoude
Cash Money Brothers
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn You really think CCP didn't think about this carefully?
Because we all know that CCP has a long history of thinking of things carefully before they announce/make changes.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.11.13 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: ArcDragon Here is the scam:
I make a Want to Buy order for a game time token stating in the description that others choose my contract over others for (at first) to state "Want to Buy: 1 GTC for 450m"
I put in only 450,000 isk, or perhaps, 45,000,000 isk.
Typos happen all the time.
Originally by: Mire Stoude
Originally by: Crumplecorn You really think CCP didn't think about this carefully?
Because we all know that CCP has a long history of thinking of things carefully before they announce/make changes.
And they always have an answer ready when people question them on the changes, right? -
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Mallikan
Gallente Plundering Penguins Anarchy.
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Posted - 2008.11.14 00:10:00 -
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Learn two things.
1. Personal Responsibility. You did it, it's your fault.
2. Reading the details. It doesn't take that long and you might slow down just long enough to enjoy life for two seconds.
--- For great justice. Or something.
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Gabriel Darkefyre
Minmatar Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2008.11.14 00:18:00 -
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Edited by: Gabriel Darkefyre on 14/11/2008 00:19:39 Well, there's a simple way of avoiding Want to Buy Scams involving PLEX's.
Don't fulfill them.
If you have a PLEX you want to sell, then put up your own Sell Contract. Yes, it might take a little bit longer to sell, however you're less likely to be involved in a scam that way.
Unless you're the one doing the scamming of course
Finally, even with WTB contracts, the easiest way of avoiding the scam is to ignore the description and Read whats actually being asked for and what you'll receive in return. The first alarm bell should be if there's a price listed in the Description itself.
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I SoStoned
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Posted - 2008.11.14 00:21:00 -
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Edited by: I SoStoned on 14/11/2008 00:23:01 I fully agree with the OP:
Buy orders more than 100% below the prevalent market should simply not be allowed.
IMO there needs to be a function in the market that filters out buy and sell orders exceeding a median percentage you can choose (i.e. No buy orders show more than 100% below or sell orders more than 100% above the median regional average).
I'd love to see this implemented for contracts, as well. I would LOVE to just not see 'want to buy' orders, period. 1% of them are legitimate buyers and 99% are just twits.
Originally by: Gabriel Darkefyre
Finally, even with WTB contracts, the easiest way of avoiding the scam is to ignore the description and Read whats actually being asked for and what you'll receive in return. The first alarm bell should be if there's a price listed in the Description itself.
Never use the description field... always use the exact item search. It'll automatically filter out the scams (other than the stupid 'want to buy' crap). And any time you view a contract, look at the highlighted yellow test, it tells you in big bold letters exactly what's in the contract.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.11.14 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: I SoStoned IMO there needs to be a function in the market that filters out buy and sell orders exceeding a median percentage you can choose (i.e. No buy orders show more than 100% below or sell orders more than 100% above the median regional average).
Quoting as it demonstrates the poster's knowledge of the game. -
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Jmanis Catharg
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.14 00:33:00 -
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Quote: A Want to Buy order is the principle vehicle for scamming, it is by no means the only one.
Here is the scam:
I make a Want to Buy order for a game time token stating in the description that others choose my contract over others for (at first) to state "Want to Buy: 1 GTC for 450m"
I put in only 450,000 isk, or perhaps, 45,000,000 isk.
You get the picture.
You have at your disposal: Minimum and max isk filters. Use them.
Below that "WTB 1 GTC 450 mil" is also a generated text from the data
Cost: -450,000 ISK.
Reading 101 since you don't get it. 450,000 is Four hundred and fifty thousand, not four hundred and fifty million (450,000,000).
also this: Quote: why the heck is a buy order scamming? if i make a buy order for 400k and someone sells me a GTC then they sold me a GTC for exactly the price i listed and exactly the price they saw and clicked on
wth is the big deal about that?
and this: Quote: "Scamming" nowadays is almost fully neglience of the buyer, rather then skill of the scammer. Don't be an idiot and you won't get scammed.
Don't be a r-tard. Your mum told you to look before crossing the road for a reason. ---
Originally by: CCP Mitnal I went to the forums for special powers and all I got was a dancing padlock and a banhammer.
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Kransthow
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.11.14 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: I SoStoned IMO there needs to be a function in the market that filters out buy and sell orders exceeding a median percentage you can choose (i.e. No buy orders show more than 100% below or sell orders more than 100% above the median regional average).
But then how will I get people to pay me for taking those pesky gtc of their hands?
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Killer Kelly
The Social Club
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Posted - 2008.11.14 00:48:00 -
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If they can't read, **** em.
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Kala'Sindra
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Posted - 2008.11.14 00:52:00 -
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Edited by: Kala''Sindra on 14/11/2008 00:54:58
Originally by: Crumplecorn Typos happen all the time.
Are you insinuating that CCP can't punish people for making a typo in those situations? I see no reason for that to be the case
Originally by: Killer Kelly If they can't read, **** em.
Yes yes all very high and mighty but you might want to consider that EVE couldn't be much more unintuitive to beginners. A lot of scams are only 'obvious' once you've been playing the game for a while; newbs don't have that luxury
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.11.14 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kala'Sindra
Originally by: Crumplecorn Typos happen all the time.
Are you insinuating that CCP can't punish people for making a typo in those situations? I see no reason for that to be the case
If they want to they can, but why punish people for typos? That's just mean. -
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Kala'Sindra
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Posted - 2008.11.14 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn That's just mean.
Well this is EVE
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.11.14 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kala'Sindra
Originally by: Crumplecorn That's just mean.
Well this is EVE
CCP don't usually take such a direct hand in the meanness though. Though it might be funny if they did. Like "Hey you, yeah you, AFKing in the freighter. You're in lowsec, but there's no-one around to, eh, educate you. So we just cancelled your account. Ha ha - the GMs". -
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NightF0x
Gallente Chicken Coup Raiders
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Posted - 2008.11.14 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kala'Sindra Are you insinuating that CCP can't punish people for making a typo in those situations? I see no reason for that to be the case
This whole forum would be f'ed if that logic applied. No one here can spell to save their life...no offense :¦ ------------------------------------
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2008.11.14 01:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mire Stoude
Originally by: Crumplecorn You really think CCP didn't think about this carefully?
Because we all know that CCP has a long history of thinking of things carefully before they announce/make changes.
I lolled hardily, looked at my raven, then cried, but that's for another thread.
If these things were just another game item, you would be able to undock with them.
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Qordel
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.14 01:16:00 -
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I think buy orders and WTB contracts are great, because after filtering out all the idiots looking for a PLEX for 1 isk, you get an idea of what buyers are thinking.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.11.14 01:21:00 -
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They should not have been part of the contract system. They should have a unique controled system.
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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