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JackofHearts
Together We Form Voltron
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Posted - 2008.10.20 09:15:00 -
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Edited by: JackofHearts on 20/10/2008 09:29:43 So some friends tell me about freighters that are about to move through low sec area we hang out in. So a few of us stay logged in longer then we normally to to see if we can take down a few of them for some fun and whatever prizes it has in it's belly.
Freighter One: Hours go by and then low and behold the first freighter shows up and jumps into the system we are in. We warp to the gate from our warp in all very excited. During mid jump we see that the first freighter pilot had logged off in the middle of the jump. We wait 45 seconds then one minute then 5 minutes goes by and the ship had totally just vanished. We had scouts and tracked the freighter and the pilot.
Freighter Two: 10 minutes had past since the first freighter and our scouts had been tracking the second freighter that didn't delay at all warping to the gate and again jumping into the system we were staging in. Again we warp to the gate but this time not as excited because we were expecting the worst. Again the pilot logged mid jump but a little later then the other pilot so we saw with our eyes the freighter go into emergency warp. We flew towards the freighter while spamming the lock button on it over and over and over. All we got was this msg...
08:40:43 Notify Interference from the warp ==(__.__)== IV is preventing your sensors from getting a target lock on them.
The freighter warped off and vanished off scan.
Freighter Three: Freighter three came just one minute or so after freighter two vanished off scan, the pilot logged again but this time we were able to lock it and shoot the freighter. Even tho we had it scrambled with a heavy interdictor it warped off when it was in half armor. Thinkin we had agro so the freighter should stay on scan for 15 minutes all we have to do it probe it out...
Wrong, it vanished right away off scan...
Another thing is I have read about this before in this thread...
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=705270
Yet that thread got locked and it doesn't make any sense since this has to be a exploit and people are using it more and more. We even were not able to kill a kronos that we spent 4 hours tracking down to kill.
Why is this happening in eve???
Back in the day when you shot something it would stay in system for 15 minutes, this is how it should be now...
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Foruman
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.20 09:16:00 -
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want a cookie?
or cheese?
Me>You
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.20 09:17:00 -
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There is no sploit, it¦s game mechanics.
Yes it sucks, no it won¦t change. There¦s been people asking for change for years. [center] Old blog |
Kulmid
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.10.20 09:18:00 -
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tl;dr
you probably have poor understanding of how log off mechanics work
You would think CCP would have added things like, "Amarr", "CCP", "Microwarpdrive", etc. to their forum dictionary.
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.20 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: JackofHearts
Why is this happening in eve???
Because it's what we, the playerbase want. Not you personally, or me, come to that, but the majority of EvE subscribers are now PvE grinders who believe that PvP should be optional. Bear subs > PvPer subs.
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JackofHearts
Together We Form Voltron
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Posted - 2008.10.20 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: JackofHearts
Why is this happening in eve???
Because it's what we, the playerbase want. Not you personally, or me, come to that, but the majority of EvE subscribers are now PvE grinders who believe that PvP should be optional. Bear subs > PvPer subs.
These where freighters doing logistics for a pvp alliance. They are not carebears. This is how we ended up with the intel in the first place.
Carebears have the option to stay in high sec...
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Mostly Amazing
Gallente Mostly Amazing Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.20 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: JackofHearts
Why is this happening in eve???
Because it's what we, the playerbase want. Not you personally, or me, come to that, but the majority of EvE subscribers are now PvE grinders who believe that PvP should be optional. Bear subs > PvPer subs.
Indeed. Welcome to the age of the Carebear Online.
The game where every combattactic is called a sploit. -------------- I R Not Completely Amazing, But I R Mostly Amazing |
Malcanis
RuffRyders Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.20 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: JackofHearts
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: JackofHearts
Why is this happening in eve???
Because it's what we, the playerbase want. Not you personally, or me, come to that, but the majority of EvE subscribers are now PvE grinders who believe that PvP should be optional. Bear subs > PvPer subs.
These where freighters doing logistics for a pvp alliance. They are not carebears. This is how we ended up with the intel in the first place.
Carebears have the option to stay in high sec...
Post a CSM suggestion that the log-off timer be increased to 2-3 minutes and see who objects.
It will be instructive for you.
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sliver 0xD
exiles. The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2008.10.20 09:39:00 -
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aint eve sweet :)
the more techincal details are simple.
as u say he logs in the midle of jumping. the server recrods the jump and will carrie that out. the client disconnects and stops handeling messages. sends its last bb cya later msg. the ship ends up on the other end in buble. and thats not yet agression. server sees client is gone and looks, hey do we have agression... no okay then the normal 30 second log should be activated :)
freighter warps or disapears.
we did this with a freighter 2 :) its a well known trick used by carebears that panic and after seeing 20 guys do this to you you just adapt and assimilate.
its even more fun if u know that the agression timer that runs with the log system is disabled after jumping. so when you jump you are agro free to log.
fight on one side, deagress jump and log. this actualy can get your account stuck in space. ive seen myself with my alt in space many times. tho if it occurse you lose your ship this way will get reimboursed quickly.
unfair who cares, continue whineing.. --- Somebody needs a hug! |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.20 09:47:00 -
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1. Fit cloak+smartbomb 2. Cloak and wait 3. Unclock and set of said SB 4. Aggro 5. ??? 6. Profit
or simply head to the belts and activate your mining lasers -> instant profit!
Secure 3rd party service ■ Veldspar |
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JackofHearts
Together We Form Voltron
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Posted - 2008.10.20 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: sliver 0xD aint eve sweet :)
the more techincal details are simple.
as u say he logs in the midle of jumping. the server recrods the jump and will carrie that out. the client disconnects and stops handeling messages. sends its last bb cya later msg. the ship ends up on the other end in buble. and thats not yet agression. server sees client is gone and looks, hey do we have agression... no okay then the normal 30 second log should be activated :)
freighter warps or disapears.
we did this with a freighter 2 :) its a well known trick used by carebears that panic and after seeing 20 guys do this to you you just adapt and assimilate.
its even more fun if u know that the agression timer that runs with the log system is disabled after jumping. so when you jump you are agro free to log.
fight on one side, deagress jump and log. this actualy can get your account stuck in space. ive seen myself with my alt in space many times. tho if it occurse you lose your ship this way will get reimboursed quickly.
unfair who cares, continue whineing..
I think I have the right to whine about this. This means even myself can roam 0.0 with any ship and never die. But I won't do this because it makes the whole game completely pointless. Whats gonna happen if you can no longer carebear building ships cause no one loses them?
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JackofHearts
Together We Form Voltron
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Posted - 2008.10.20 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba 1. Fit cloak+smartbomb 2. Cloak and wait 3. Unclock and set of said SB 4. Aggro 5. ??? 6. Profit
or simply head to the belts and activate your mining lasers -> instant profit!
The third freighter we did get agro but it still vanished...
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Vim
Spook Division
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Posted - 2008.10.20 10:11:00 -
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Edited by: Vim on 20/10/2008 10:11:51 Dude, you didnt have aggro on the third freighter. the pilot had disconnected. hence the ship does not get flagged since its already in 'I'am abandoded emergency waaaarp me to safety' No flags are set from the moment the pilot logs off, which is the moment he sees a blinky/something bigger then a frigate coming out of warp on his gate.
You could ofc try chribbas idea, have a tiny little frigate, something with a smartbomb close to the gate also this ship should != blinky. mwd up to freighter that is aligning to warp, hit smartbomb and scram freighter for good measure to stop its aligning if the pilot isnt quickthinking. Should give it aggro and by this time your drake(or other point that freighter with decent locktime and sentrytank) should already be in warp, landing on the gate as the frigate goes kapoosh from sentries, taking over the lock and ??? profit.
I think I'd try to circumvent a freighter logoffski that way atleast O_o
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JackofHearts
Together We Form Voltron
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Posted - 2008.10.20 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Vim Edited by: Vim on 20/10/2008 10:11:51 Dude, you didnt have aggro on the third freighter. the pilot had disconnected. hence the ship does not get flagged since its already in 'I'am abandoded emergency waaaarp me to safety' No flags are set from the moment the pilot logs off, which is the moment he sees a blinky/something bigger then a frigate coming out of warp on his gate.
You could ofc try chribbas idea, have a tiny little frigate, something with a smartbomb close to the gate also this ship should != blinky. mwd up to freighter that is aligning to warp, hit smartbomb and scram freighter for good measure to stop its aligning if the pilot isnt quickthinking. Should give it aggro and by this time your drake(or other point that freighter with decent locktime and sentrytank) should already be in warp, landing on the gate as the frigate goes kapoosh from sentries, taking over the lock and ??? profit.
I think I'd try to circumvent a freighter logoffski that way atleast O_o
Well thanks for the tip I think I will try that, but I still think this is an exploit...
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Stoffl
LFC
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Posted - 2008.10.20 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: JackofHearts
The third freighter we did get agro but it still vanished...
That's where you're wrong. Because the freighter logged/"got disconnected" BEFORE yout got him agressed. So within game mechanics the ship tried to emergency warp, and vanishes after 60 seconds.
Nothing wrong here, game mechanics working as intended.
If you want the game-mechanics to change, the mentioned CSM would be a proper contact.
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Stoffl
LFC
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Posted - 2008.10.20 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Vim Edited by: Vim on 20/10/2008 10:11:51You could ofc try chribbas idea, have a tiny little frigate, something with a smartbomb close to the gate also this ship should != blinky. mwd up to freighter that is aligning to warp, hit smartbomb and scram freighter for good measure to stop its aligning if the pilot isnt quickthinking. Should give it aggro and by this time your drake(or other point that freighter with decent locktime and sentrytank) should already be in warp, landing on the gate as the frigate goes kapoosh from sentries, taking over the lock and ??? profit.
I think I'd try to circumvent a freighter logoffski that way atleast O_o
Won't work. You can't get a 15minute agression timer if a ship logs/disconnects while the jumpin-cloak is active.
Im not sure what happens if you smartbomb a cloaked ship, you're taking the damage, but it won't decloak you. So anyway, you would need multiple smartbombing battleships circling the ingate at 12km.
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gfldex
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.20 10:33:00 -
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Add DT to the formula and you can make a Titan DD ppl while being completely save. It's disgusting. --
There are countless games in the world. There are at least as many ppl that dont like one or more rules of said games. That never stopped smart game designers from creating good games.
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gfldex
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.20 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: Stoffl
So anyway, you would need multiple smartbombing battleships circling the ingate at 12km.
You have to smart bomb it before it jumps. --
There are countless games in the world. There are at least as many ppl that dont like one or more rules of said games. That never stopped smart game designers from creating good games.
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Bloody Rabbit
Jita Miners
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Posted - 2008.10.20 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: JackofHearts
Well thanks for the tip I think I will try that, but I still think this is an exploit...
Sounds like you need to hit harder, you had 60 secs and couldn't pop it so it was your loss.
Now please go train your weapon skills and get more people so next time you can pop the treasure box.
Originally by: Shadarle I notice a lot of people who are very bad at playing the market tend to want CCP to step in and remove the competition from the market so they don't continue coming in last place.[/qu |
Vim
Spook Division
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Posted - 2008.10.20 10:46:00 -
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The thing with smartbombing is it you smartbomb it as its uncloaking to warp. a non blinking frigate in a noob corp thats 3 days old...
If you smartbomb it on the other side of the gate. Ie You smartbomb it on the jita gate in perimeter. The freighter jumps into jita and logoffskis. No aggression. If you do not aggress back/commit aggressive act yourself you do not keep the flag upon changing systems(eg: You get pointed on jumpin, you mwd out of range and warpoff, the campers are hot on you heels on the next gate in system, you jump and logoffski. no aggro timer in the new system=your safe. Should you in the same scenario as above be scrambled but lets say ecm the bastard scrambling you to break lock and get away, you've now aggressed back/commited an aggressive act and is thus flagged for 15mins regardless of system.)
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sliver 0xD
exiles. The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2008.10.20 10:50:00 -
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Edited by: sliver 0xD on 20/10/2008 10:51:32 Edited by: sliver 0xD on 20/10/2008 10:50:33
Originally by: JackofHearts
Well thanks for the tip I think I will try that, but I still think this is an exploit...
wel there are far whorse exploits out there.
this one holds exelent safety guidelines. it is to prevent you from loseing ships when you crash.
i got lag spike while folowing hostile gang and my recon went to emergency warp. 10 to 20 seconds lateri managed to load it and it sayed stoping emergency warp. you are being warp scram...
happy now ? game machanics killed my ship :p
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JackofHearts
Together We Form Voltron
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Posted - 2008.10.20 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: sliver 0xD Edited by: sliver 0xD on 20/10/2008 10:51:32 Edited by: sliver 0xD on 20/10/2008 10:50:33
Originally by: JackofHearts
Well thanks for the tip I think I will try that, but I still think this is an exploit...
wel there are far whorse exploits out there.
this one holds exelent safety guidelines. it is to prevent you from loseing ships when you crash.
i got lag spike while folowing hostile gang and my recon went to emergency warp. 10 to 20 seconds lateri managed to load it and it sayed stoping emergency warp. you are being warp scram...
happy now ? game machanics killed my ship :p
LOL very cute
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JackofHearts
Together We Form Voltron
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Posted - 2008.10.20 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: gfldex Add DT to the formula and you can make a Titan DD ppl while being completely save. It's disgusting.
Wow I didn't realize titan pilots where using this exploit as well... Pritty crazy when everyone in eve starts using this tactic.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.10.20 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba 1. Fit cloak+smartbomb 2. Cloak and wait 3. Unclock and set of said SB 4. Aggro 5. ??? 6. Profit
or simply head to the belts and activate your mining lasers -> instant profit!
1)You have to wait 10 secs after uncloak to fire smartbomb - Plenty of time to log. 2)You cannot fire smartbombs next to gate 3)Assuming t2 smarties (which only me and three other people use) being 6km range, you would have to be within 6km of EVERY 15km uncloak spot from the gate. Imagine a big orb around the gate at 15km. Now cover every single spot with a smartbomber.
The above however is moot.
4) IF THE GUY JUMPS IN AND LOGS IMMEDIATELY - YOU DONT HAVE A CHANCE TO FIRE YOUR BOMBS
Most freighter pilots jump in then immediately log as a matter of course.
80% of all freighter pilots I have seen in low sec do this.
SKUNK
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Dmian
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2008.10.20 11:07:00 -
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Oh man! they made a pirate cry...
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Prof Patpending
Bodgit and Scarper Industrial
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Posted - 2008.10.20 11:08:00 -
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Well the answer to this proble[ctrl+q]
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.10.20 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 20/10/2008 11:10:26
Originally by: Prof Patpending Well the answer to this proble[ctrl+q]
Ship disapeares into thin air is not probable
NEXT!
SKUNK
EDIT: Think I misread your post it dosent make sense? Anyohw someone will pipe up with a great Probing idea within 15 posts so Ill refer them to this.
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Dasalt Istgut
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Posted - 2008.10.20 11:22:00 -
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I would say you should be gimped for a minute on login to prevent this but reality is the game is too unstable to pull that off. Unless you want a million petitions from people losing their ships due to crashes and disconnects.
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speal
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Posted - 2008.10.20 11:27:00 -
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Must suck to be beat by a ship that has no weapons....throwing there cargo at you is no defence, the only hope is they can logg before you lock them down..and lmfao that you couldnt lock them down one of the slowest warping ships in eve... |
JackofHearts
Together We Form Voltron
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Posted - 2008.10.20 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: speal Must suck to be beat by a ship that has no weapons....throwing there cargo at you is no defence, the only hope is they can logg before you lock them down..and lmfao that you couldnt lock them down one of the slowest warping ships in eve...
hmmmm Why do people post a opinion on something they didn't even read properly...
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