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Lothris Andastar
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:33:00 -
[3031]
Originally by: Mortisha Drake 100 Get? ; ]
I too must add my name to the role of Alts being denied an edumacation
Have a cookie
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James Marshalll
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:35:00 -
[3032]
Originally by: Lothris Andastar
Originally by: James Marshalll
I haven't uninstalled because they got me with the power of 2 bait and switch. oh well I might as well get what I can out of my subs by eve mailing as many people who I know who don't know about this yet
So... you only got the power of 2 simply because you could ghost train?
Hardly, bait and switch, you sir are the reason they are disabling it.
Hi, can you please state where in my post that said the ONLY reason I got the power of 2 account was for using ghost training?
didn't think so. Move on fanboi.
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SZ Rota
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:35:00 -
[3033]
Yes. 100. Or 151 if you count the other pages split off by CCP trying to sweep it under the carpet.
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Shoopinou
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:36:00 -
[3034]
Edited by: Shoopinou on 15/10/2008 03:44:09 What about the skill queue ?
What about the "ghost research points", and the "ghost buy/sell orders" ?
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James Marshalll
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:37:00 -
[3035]
Edited by: James Marshalll on 15/10/2008 03:38:53
Originally by: Lothris Andastar
Originally by: Betteroff Dead
Originally by: Lothris Andastar
Originally by: James Marshalll
I haven't uninstalled because they got me with the power of 2 bait and switch. oh well I might as well get what I can out of my subs by eve mailing as many people who I know who don't know about this yet
So... you only got the power of 2 simply because you could ghost train?
Hardly, bait and switch, you sir are the reason they are disabling it.
?? Could you elaborate on that, I'm confused?
He is saying he's not leaving because apparently the power of 2 was a bait and switch. I take this to mean his intention was to ghost train with the alt.
CCP have disabled ghost training because too many people were abusing it.
Ergo he is part of the reason why they are disabling it.
I honestly don't know why people are getting so emo about this. If you want to gain SP u pay your subscription like every other damn MMO out there.
Really? In other mmo's I don't have to pay an EXTRA 17 bucks a month to play a second toon and advance it. This isn't even close to any other mmo out there, but because your nose is brown and stanky from having it shoved so far up CCP's rear end you will never understand that. - Matter of fact, I think EQ allows 10 on each server, EQ2 8, or 10 with the advanced sub (which also grants you access to EVERY other SoE mmo), WoW? not sure, DAoC 8 characters, I can keep going if you want?
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Mortisha Drake
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:38:00 -
[3036]
Originally by: Lothris Andastar
Originally by: Mortisha Drake 100 Get? ; ]
I too must add my name to the role of Alts being denied an edumacation
Have a cookie
*eats cookie*
As Alts go I think I can use my charms to steal a bit of time hittin the books after class is dismissed....
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Col Callahan
Caldari Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:38:00 -
[3037]
holy crap, C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!>!>?!?!>!?>!?>!
100 pages, CCP, even the carrier drone Nerf didn't have 100 pages, come your sense's. _
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PsychoBones II
R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:38:00 -
[3038]
So I cba to check the 50ish pages I missed while I was asleep and at work, do we have a dev reply yet?
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Jogvan
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:40:00 -
[3039]
Originally by: PsychoBones II So I cba to check the 50ish pages I missed while I was asleep and at work, do we have a dev reply yet?
Yes, its quoted on this page
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ISIAM
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:40:00 -
[3040]
Please, everyone that disagrees with the "nerfing" of the ability to "Ghost train" Please let C.C.P. know Buy E-mailing Them your feelings. Please do not stand by and let it take place. speak out, use your voice and let them know. If you are for the "nerfing" please disregard my mail and be prepared for the end. Thanks for your time and support in this matter. Yours truly, "ISIAM"
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James Marshalll
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:40:00 -
[3041]
Originally by: PsychoBones II So I cba to check the 50ish pages I missed while I was asleep and at work, do we have a dev reply yet?
yea. They basically said "Sorry we had no idea that was in our player guide, but it doesn't change the fact that we are going through with this change. Hope you guys can forgive us and come back in a few months when we make this game cool"
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Nobues
Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:41:00 -
[3042]
lets push to 101 Webhosting, teamspeak and Killboard for you, your corp, and your Alliance Click me for more info |
Lorac Caladon
Caldari The Cowboy Junkies
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:41:00 -
[3043]
Originally by: SSgt Sniper
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans The bug that became a feature
On Monday, we released news that we are disabling äGhost Trainingô, the ability to train characters on inactive accounts. This resulted in strong reactions from the community as many people were routinely making use of it. We explained the matter in more detail and pointed out that this had been a bug in the original game code. Those of us who were involved in the process of making the decision and communicating it to the community did not realize this bug had been so accepted as a feature that it was listed as such in our own documentation on our own website.
How can we not know whatæs in our own documentation? Well, to be frank, it was a case of insufficient communication on our part between various teams û a regrettable mistake and hard lesson to learn at the expense of the trust youæve placed in us. Thereæs no way to spin it and we wonæt add insult to injury by trying to do so. It was a mistake on our part and for that we sincerely and humbly apologize.
Many would hope that in light of this we will decide not to cancel ghost training and keep it active as an option but weære cannot to do that. EVE is already one-of-a-kind in allowing players to progress their characters through offline skill training. We stand by our policy that if you want your character to progress in EVE, you should pay the subscription fee. The fact that so many people have been able to do so for several years was our own oversight. We know this change, and our misstep in telling you about it, has created some discontent and we hope that over time we can prove our committment to make EVE better than ever for you will be evident as you enjoy the fruits of our labor.
Torfi
I realize the need to save corporate face in your apology and will choose to accept the intent of it. Thank you for that. I however believe you are making a mistake in your reasoning process- see I don't think people are abusing this intentionally but as a side effect of another business decision you made recently.
Removing the 30 day cards made it much harder for people to keep thier accounts all active on a budget, and I believe this is why so many accounts are currently inactive. I do not believe that the ghost train feature factors into most of these accountholders decision at all, rather an inability to afford keeping them all running at the now higher cost. Thus I believe your logic regarding what to do about it now is flawed.
If you persist on removing the ghost train feature, I can accept that- I never really cared about it's existance as much as the the poor way you were handling the removal decision. I hope you will consider these things:
1. Please bring back the 30day gtc. I feel this will actually fix a lot of the recent financial hit you've taken as some people will be able to have alts return to active state.
2. Push this change for 30 days. Basically give time for everyone struggling with thier own finances the time to figure out and adjust to this change in a manner that makes the best sense for them and for you.
3. Admit the financial hurt you are dealing with yourself- I swear, if you do this I will personally buy two etc and give them away as I do like the game (if not your handling of it from time to time) and would like to help, if only you'd just be honest about it.
4. As a give back to those still upset about this, either A. bring in skillqueue, or B. Allow slot 2 and slot 3 to train skills at a oh, let's say a 30% and 15% rate respectively.
I will be keeping an eye on things for a while before I make my final decision on reactivation as I have until May to decide either way. If you take some positive steps toward the community as atonement, I'll get back on board. If not, I'll shop around when the time comes.
Understand that at no point did I care about the feature's existance itself, just the poor handling of the subject.
This
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Betteroff Dead
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:42:00 -
[3044]
Originally by: Lothris Andastar
Originally by: Betteroff Dead
Originally by: Lothris Andastar
Originally by: James Marshalll
I haven't uninstalled because they got me with the power of 2 bait and switch. oh well I might as well get what I can out of my subs by eve mailing as many people who I know who don't know about this yet
So... you only got the power of 2 simply because you could ghost train?
Hardly, bait and switch, you sir are the reason they are disabling it.
?? Could you elaborate on that, I'm confused?
He is saying he's not leaving because apparently the power of 2 was a bait and switch. I take this to mean his intention was to ghost train with the alt.
CCP have disabled ghost training because too many people were abusing it.
Ergo he is part of the reason why they are disabling it.
I honestly don't know why people are getting so emo about this. If you want to gain SP u pay your subscription like every other damn MMO out there.
Simple. I am a father, and now a part time player. This was the absolute perfect game for me. I could play for a few months. Put it down for a month or so and come back with a new skill. It's been beautiful and something a raved about to many people. To force feed me to pay 12 months a year is a big change to how things where when it all began and continued to be.
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ViolenTUK
Gallente Vindicated Exiles
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:43:00 -
[3045]
This is inexcusably the worst mistake in CCPÆs history beating the almost comically pathetic carrier nerf by a considerable margin. Absolutely appalling. A hundred pages of discontent in a little more than one day.
www.eve-players.com |
Nate D
Trinity Trading Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:43:00 -
[3046]
As my own opinion... I do get tired of playing EVE on occasion and leave. When I come back, I am excited to be greeted by a brand new level 5 skill. It's a reward for rejoining the game!
Not any more :-(
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Siona Windweaver
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:44:00 -
[3047]
Edited by: Siona Windweaver on 15/10/2008 03:44:27
Originally by: Col Callahan holy crap, C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!>!>?!?!>!?>!?>!
100 pages, CCP, even the carrier drone Nerf didn't have 100 pages, come your sense's.
Actually, there is another thread with 50 pages (locked because of this one), so its more like 150 pages.
edit: damn, too late.
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Shinzann
Sten Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:44:00 -
[3048]
Originally by: SSgt Sniper
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans The bug that became a feature
On Monday, we released news that we are disabling äGhost Trainingô, the ability to train characters on inactive accounts. This resulted in strong reactions from the community as many people were routinely making use of it. We explained the matter in more detail and pointed out that this had been a bug in the original game code. Those of us who were involved in the process of making the decision and communicating it to the community did not realize this bug had been so accepted as a feature that it was listed as such in our own documentation on our own website.
How can we not know whatæs in our own documentation? Well, to be frank, it was a case of insufficient communication on our part between various teams û a regrettable mistake and hard lesson to learn at the expense of the trust youæve placed in us. Thereæs no way to spin it and we wonæt add insult to injury by trying to do so. It was a mistake on our part and for that we sincerely and humbly apologize.
Many would hope that in light of this we will decide not to cancel ghost training and keep it active as an option but weære cannot to do that. EVE is already one-of-a-kind in allowing players to progress their characters through offline skill training. We stand by our policy that if you want your character to progress in EVE, you should pay the subscription fee. The fact that so many people have been able to do so for several years was our own oversight. We know this change, and our misstep in telling you about it, has created some discontent and we hope that over time we can prove our committment to make EVE better than ever for you will be evident as you enjoy the fruits of our labor.
Torfi
I realize the need to save corporate face in your apology and will choose to accept the intent of it. Thank you for that. I however believe you are making a mistake in your reasoning process- see I don't think people are abusing this intentionally but as a side effect of another business decision you made recently.
Removing the 30 day cards made it much harder for people to keep thier accounts all active on a budget, and I believe this is why so many accounts are currently inactive. I do not believe that the ghost train feature factors into most of these accountholders decision at all, rather an inability to afford keeping them all running at the now higher cost. Thus I believe your logic regarding what to do about it now is flawed.
If you persist on removing the ghost train feature, I can accept that- I never really cared about it's existance as much as the the poor way you were handling the removal decision. I hope you will consider these things:
1. Please bring back the 30day gtc. I feel this will actually fix a lot of the recent financial hit you've taken as some people will be able to have alts return to active state.
2. Push this change for 30 days. Basically give time for everyone struggling with thier own finances the time to figure out and adjust to this change in a manner that makes the best sense for them and for you.
3. Admit the financial hurt you are dealing with yourself- I swear, if you do this I will personally buy two etc and give them away as I do like the game (if not your handling of it from time to time) and would like to help, if only you'd just be honest about it.
4. As a give back to those still upset about this, either A. bring in skillqueue, or B. Allow slot 2 and slot 3 to train skills at a oh, let's say a 30% and 15% rate respectively.
I will be keeping an eye on things for a while before I make my final decision on reactivation as I have until May to decide either way. If you take some positive steps toward the community as atonement, I'll get back on board. If not, I'll shop around when the time comes.
Understand that at no point did I care about the feature's existance itself, just the poor handling of the subject.
This too. === Q u o t e: If the servers aren't up, its not a hotfix. |
Balcura
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:47:00 -
[3049]
So you go ahead and admit you guys don't even have the slightest idea of what your own game states as "it works like this"... The game has so little information that is written by you guys HOW IN THE H.E.L.L can you not even be familiar with it?
We must go ahead screw our player base as a matter of bug fixing... Bull
How bout you fix a few things that have been asked for and things that fundamentally screw up the game before you hope on a feature that has been around for ever?
I just can't believe CCP is turning into every other MMO and screwing players just to screw them even when there is nothing really wrong with the system.
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Nim Sakura
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:50:00 -
[3050]
The only bright spot I might find in the 100 page "perfect storm of customer dissatisfaction" is MAYBE Jita may not lag as bad.
In order to take advantage of ghost training, a skill would have to be a 30+ day train. Which means a Rank 8 or higher skill to Level V. Which would really only effect veteran long term players with characters about 9 months to a year old. *GASP!* OMG! you're talking about your staunchest and strongest customer base!
Oh, CCP .. might I point out that after the lateral abdominal incision, the sword is returned to the midriff, rotated blade up and thrust upwards to the breastbone, however, I think this action was a less complicated way of committed MMORPG suicide.
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CIA1
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:52:00 -
[3051]
Originally by: CCP t0rfifransThe bug that became a feature
On Monday, we released news that we are disabling äGhost Trainingô, the ability to train characters on inactive accounts. This resulted in strong reactions from the community as many people were routinely making use of it. We explained the matter in more detail and pointed out that this had been a bug in the original game code. Those of us who were involved in the process of making the decision and communicating it to the community did not realize this bug had been so accepted as a feature that it was listed as such in our own documentation on our own website.
How can we not know whatæs in our own documentation? Well, to be frank, it was a case of insufficient communication on our part between various teams û a regrettable mistake and hard lesson to learn at the expense of the trust youæve placed in us. Thereæs no way to spin it and we wonæt add insult to injury by trying to do so. It was a mistake on our part and for that we sincerely and humbly apologize.
Many would hope that in light of this we will decide not to cancel ghost training and keep it active as an option but weære cannot to do that. EVE is already one-of-a-kind in allowing players to progress their characters through offline skill training. We stand by our policy that if you want your character to progress in EVE, you should pay the subscription fee. The fact that so many people have been able to do so for several years was our own oversight. We know this change, and our misstep in telling you about it, has created some discontent and we hope that over time we can prove our committment to make EVE better than ever for you will be evident as you enjoy the fruits of our labor.
Torfi
No, this dumn ass sh*t.
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Richard Aiel
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:52:00 -
[3052]
Originally by: Siona Windweaver Edited by: Siona Windweaver on 15/10/2008 03:44:27
Originally by: Col Callahan holy crap, C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!>!>?!?!>!?>!?>!
100 pages, CCP, even the carrier drone Nerf didn't have 100 pages, come your sense's.
Actually, there is another thread with 50 pages (locked because of this one), so its more like 150 pages.
edit: damn, too late.
CCP Fallout made another thread to send ppl to but it only made 2 pages before he/she locked it.
CCP you are your own worst enemy. |
ISIAM
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:55:00 -
[3053]
Just spamed my entire corp, hope it works.
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JPBee 001
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:55:00 -
[3054]
Edited by: JPBee 001 on 15/10/2008 03:55:21 We still on 100?
Edit; DAMN
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ISIAM
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:55:00 -
[3055]
no.
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TheG2
Gallente Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:57:00 -
[3056]
2 accounts are now set to expire in December when the time runs out. It's been fun but CCP has screwed it up too badly and their lies and nonsense were the final straw.
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ISIAM
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:58:00 -
[3057]
Originally by: CCP t0rfifransThe bug that became a feature
On Monday, we released news that we are disabling äGhost Trainingô, the ability to train characters on inactive accounts. This resulted in strong reactions from the community as many people were routinely making use of it. We explained the matter in more detail and pointed out that this had been a bug in the original game code. Those of us who were involved in the process of making the decision and communicating it to the community did not realize this bug had been so accepted as a feature that it was listed as such in our own documentation on our own website.
How can we not know whatæs in our own documentation? Well, to be frank, it was a case of insufficient communication on our part between various teams û a regrettable mistake and hard lesson to learn at the expense of the trust youæve placed in us. Thereæs no way to spin it and we wonæt add insult to injury by trying to do so. It was a mistake on our part and for that we sincerely and humbly apologize.
Many would hope that in light of this we will decide not to cancel ghost training and keep it active as an option but weære cannot to do that. EVE is already one-of-a-kind in allowing players to progress their characters through offline skill training. We stand by our policy that if you want your character to progress in EVE, you should pay the subscription fee. The fact that so many people have been able to do so for several years was our own oversight. We know this change, and our misstep in telling you about it, has created some discontent and we hope that over time we can prove our committment to make EVE better than ever for you will be evident as you enjoy the fruits of our labor.
Torfi
Back to the topic at hand "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore."
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10of10
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Posted - 2008.10.15 04:00:00 -
[3058]
Edited by: 10of10 on 15/10/2008 04:00:46 "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore."
Second btw. |
Julius Kashmir
Caldari Dark Skullz Empire Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.10.15 04:03:00 -
[3059]
My last message since CCP removed all their GTCs besides the new and "oh so helpfull" 60d (which btw now goes for about 500mil) doesn't help EVE or CCP to go copying other MMOs, instead they need to set the bar and sure this isn't a good exploit for either side but could have had a minimum of say a week or two of "ghost training" in case ppl are having hard times as some are in the U.S.A. currently but as this is my last post since the GTC movement I just want to let you know CCP, it was fun while it lasted, your expansions being free was an awesome bonus to your pvp based game not to mention the depth to the game and the ever changing politics inside the game i just wish you the best of luck in the future with your game, and love to hear later on that perhaps others had read of my post and made a difference to influence the game in some way, the most important being listening to the customers as they're the ones who pay you're salaries and is the downfall of MMOs but besides that I'd like to hear of new areas added to the game. Well EVE this is Peace Out and love ya all, CARPE DIEM, err in my experience I should say Carpe Noctem my fellow eve fanatics, wish you luck in your adventures and peace out to the friends in DSKE and IRC.
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Amarr Hyena
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Posted - 2008.10.15 04:04:00 -
[3060]
I think with about 150 pages in a matter of at tops 2 days, we can say the PR people are completely incompetent. aside from a 'apology' (being comment 2773), locking two threads (offical anyway) and cloaking another they seem to have not done much to communicate with the playerbase. ------- ghost training Threadnaught V. Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive. |
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