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Ghoest
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Posted - 2012.03.26 13:55:00 -
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Its been explained before that the mechanics of the election system make the CSM unrepresentative of the averge EVE player.
Its has also been explained that the structure of the CSM promotes biased input that not only favor particular types of gamers based on playstyle but even particular factions based on in game politics.
And now the CSM is just simply embarrassing.
Its really time to kill it.
Wherever You Went - Here You Are |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
271
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Posted - 2012.03.26 13:58:00 -
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CSM is representative of those who vote. Now thats much better than representative of those who do not care. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
2902
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:00:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:CSM is representative of those who vote. or are they... da da da daaaaaaa
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Florian Bao
JinJing Trade Consortium
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:00:00 -
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Are you going to kill yourself if they dont? |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
529
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:01:00 -
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Oh look another pubbie alt that's bad at eve online and didn't get his choice elected (Xenuria). We were so close to dickgirls, guys! |
Ben Arwhal
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:02:00 -
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Supernoob posting again, confirming that my candidate made the top 7.
I got nothing to ***** about, so instead I post super-upbeat posts in the midst of bitching threads!
Edit: Can't even say b i t c h?
Goddamn. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
446
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:09:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:CSM is representative of those who vote.
Incorrect. CSM is representative of the largest power blocs of corporations/alliances which != "of those who vote". The voters from the largest power blocs have obvious self-interests to vote in support of those power blocs, not necessarily for the best interest of the game or the players.
Given the general maturity level within those power blocs, it's more like having a bunch of 2 year olds decide your future for you. Or worse, having the 2 year olds told what your future will be by their authority figures.
Of course, this is the same mechanic in "democratic" societies except much more complexity is involved. Why you would support either as "representative" government is a clear indication that your judgement is severely compromised. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
knobber Jobbler
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
81
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:09:00 -
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I think its based on people who care, rather than player type. If no high sec mission running pubbie got in, then its clear that player base doesn't care ;).
Take note, a virtual nobody before this csm, who is championing FW got in. Well done to him. |
knobber Jobbler
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
81
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:12:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:Lexmana wrote:CSM is representative of those who vote. Incorrect. CSM is representative of the largest power blocs of corporations/alliances which != "of those who vote". The voters from the largest power blocs have obvious self-interests to vote in support of those power blocs, not necessarily for the best interest of the game or the players. Given the general maturity level within those power blocs, it's more like having a bunch of 2 year olds decide your future for you. Or worse, having the 2 year olds told what your future will be by their authority figures. Of course, this is the same mechanic in "democratic" societies except much more complexity is involved. Why you would support either as "representative" government is a clear indication that your judgement is severely compromised.
See you guys say the 0.0 power blocs are a bunch of kids, but had you any real experience you'd be blown away by the level of organisation that goes into them, the web services support alone makes some companies look amateur. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
446
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:21:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote:
See you guys say the 0.0 power blocs are a bunch of kids, but had you any real experience you'd be blown away by the level of organisation that goes into them, the web services support alone makes some companies look amateur.
I think I qualified the statement to be inclusive of those with a clue. Critical thinking FTW! We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
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Aranakas
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:22:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:CSM is representative of those who vote. Now thats much better than representative of those who do not care.
It's representative of which large alliances have the most organized and mobilized voting engine.
There are lots of goons, and many goons have multiple accounts. All goons vote for Mittani, and all their accounts vote for him.
On the other hand, there are FAR more carebears. The carebears either don't vote because they have no interest in politics and they just log in every now and then to play a game with spaceships, or they do vote, but being from multiple different corps and alliances, they are unable to organize as effectively.
Either way, it's clear that the CSM has strayed from its purpose. Originally it was to allow player input. Now it's a political tool to allow certain alliances to push their agenda. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
118
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:25:00 -
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8,447 month old accounts love to vote. |
Kla2
Defiance LLC
11
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:33:00 -
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As the CSM is the only democraticly elected governing body in Eve, it's clear we need a system of checks and balances worked out. I propose that another council be added that would truly represent the eve population, and any agenda the CSM approves or mandates would require this second body's approval. To enable fair and true representation on this second body- let's call it the Galactic Legislature of Pilots, it's members would be selected by lottery, and chaired by CCP Hilmar. All pilots who have logged into High Sec in the last 6 months would be eligible. The GLOP would be responsible for meeting the week following the CSM meetings and would approve or amend any recommendations made by the CSM. Once a year both bodies would meet in a joint session and issue a state of the galaxy report that lists the outcome of the mudwrestling match between Chribba and the Mittani.
Yeah, I got nowhere to go with this...........
I love it, but it's just a game, fellas. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
201
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:33:00 -
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goons may have been able to get 10,000 for their main man, but remember while goons want to destroy the game, ccp makes far to much money and has way too much fun to let it happen through csm.
bla bla agenda this bla bla agenda that, passionate csms one way or another are better to have than not to have.
Though if mittens steals the sword of a thousand truths and slays everyone at ccp HQ then we have a problem. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2192
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:45:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:Lexmana wrote:CSM is representative of those who vote. Incorrect. CSM is representative of the largest power blocs of corporations/alliances which != "of those who vote".
So people who are in large alliances shouldn't have their votes counted?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2192
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:46:00 -
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Aranakas wrote:Lexmana wrote:CSM is representative of those who vote. Now thats much better than representative of those who do not care. It's representative of which large alliances have the most organized and mobilized voting engine. There are lots of goons, and many goons have multiple accounts. All goons vote for Mittani, and all their accounts vote for him. On the other hand, there are FAR more carebears. The carebears either don't vote because they have no interest in politics and they just log in every now and then to play a game with spaceships, or they do vote, but being from multiple different corps and alliances, they are unable to organize as effectively. Either way, it's clear that the CSM has strayed from its purpose. Originally it was to allow player input. Now it's a political tool to allow certain alliances to push their agenda.
If the carebears don't vote then they don't want their voices heard.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
427
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:47:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:goons may have been able to get 10,000 for their main man, but remember while goons want to destroy the game, ccp makes far to much money and has way too much fun to let it happen through csm.
bla bla agenda this bla bla agenda that, passionate csms one way or another are better to have than not to have.
Though if mittens steals the sword of a thousand truths and slays everyone at ccp HQ then we have a problem.
Sigh...
Quote:but remember while goons want to destroy the game
It's YOUR, not THE You have to cut the ops team some slack, trolling the player base with made up downtime estimates is the only fun they get around here.-á(CCP Nullarbor) |
Prince Kobol
300
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:51:00 -
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I'm a high sec care bear and have been for over 2 years and I can quite happily say that both of the candidates I voted for were both Successful, The Mittani and Seleene
So as far as I am concerned the voting is working just fine |
Aranakas
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:52:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Aranakas wrote:Lexmana wrote:CSM is representative of those who vote. Now thats much better than representative of those who do not care. It's representative of which large alliances have the most organized and mobilized voting engine. There are lots of goons, and many goons have multiple accounts. All goons vote for Mittani, and all their accounts vote for him. On the other hand, there are FAR more carebears. The carebears either don't vote because they have no interest in politics and they just log in every now and then to play a game with spaceships, or they do vote, but being from multiple different corps and alliances, they are unable to organize as effectively. Either way, it's clear that the CSM has strayed from its purpose. Originally it was to allow player input. Now it's a political tool to allow certain alliances to push their agenda. If the carebears don't vote then they don't want their voices heard.
If I just want to play a game with space ships I don't even know who Mittani or any of these candidates are or what they represent.
Goons have their decisions made for them. Mittani. XXDEATHXX<3's have their decision made for them: XXDEATH. Reds have their decisions made for them. That guy who's their leader.
Carebears have.... that guy that we heard other carebears talking about. Oh yeah, he seems like a good guy. I'll vote for him. For most people, internet spaceship presidents and congressmen isn't an important enough topic to research in any depth.
That doesn't mean I want to have my game experience needlessly altered to fit someone else's agenda. |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
98
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:52:00 -
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In all honesty, it's a damn sight better then the 2 party system the ameicans or us british have.... sure there's the green party and the canabis party but are they ever REALLY going to get anywhere?
Just because not enough people care to vote and there are too many little people vying for a spot on the CSM thus ruther diluting the voter base does not mean the system is broken.
In fact, quite the oppersite, individuals like Mittani have a larger voter base all voting in the same direction because it suits them and they have a handful of individuals to vote for.
Rather than "generic empire CSM candidate X" who offers very little that differs to the others that are running or is running based on a single promise and has his small group of friends to vote for him.
If you really wanted to change something, contact all those people that failed this year, keep an eye out for people running for next years. Then get together and come up with 1 or 2 of you who reprisent all the ideas brought forward by the larger group. Then have them run for CSM.
Less people to vote for = more concentrated vote.
This all assumes that people aren't just running for ego rights and that those in empire poses the ability to work together, come up with a unified plan and then work towards it.... you know....... like the 0.0 alliances do already..... OMG WE JUST FOUND OUT WHY 0.0 PLAYERS KEEP GETTING IN!!!!!!! |
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stoicfaux
805
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:52:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:goons may have been able to get 10,000 for their main man, but remember while goons want to destroy the game, ccp makes far to much money and has way too much fun to let it happen through csm.
bla bla agenda this bla bla agenda that, passionate csms one way or another are better to have than not to have.
This ^^. Incarna notwithstanding, I'm pretty sure that CCP knows who pays their salaries. The CSM with its experienced members, does give CCP a good sounding board to bounce ideas off and prevent another Incarna situation.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2192
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:56:00 -
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Aranakas wrote:Carebears have.... that guy that we heard other carebears talking about. Oh yeah, he seems like a good guy. I'll vote for him. For most people, internet spaceship presidents and congressmen isn't an important enough topic to research in any depth.
It would have taken less than half an hour to read all the candidates threads to see what they stood for. If so-called carebears aren't even willing to take that small amount of effort then they don't deserve to have their voices heard.
Fortunately for them Mittens has shown over and over again that he advocates for things that are good for the game as a whole even when they are detrimental to Goons. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Aranakas
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:05:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Aranakas wrote:Carebears have.... that guy that we heard other carebears talking about. Oh yeah, he seems like a good guy. I'll vote for him. For most people, internet spaceship presidents and congressmen isn't an important enough topic to research in any depth. It would have taken less than half an hour to read all the candidates threads to see what they stood for. If so-called carebears aren't even willing to take that small amount of effort then they don't deserve to have their voices heard. Fortunately for them Mittens has shown over and over again that he advocates for things that are good for the game as a whole even when they are detrimental to Goons.
Pointless, even if EVERY carebear voted, there are too many candidates and carebears don't belong to just one alliance.
It's a broken system, whether carebears "deserve" to have fun playing internet spaceships or not. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2192
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:14:00 -
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Aranakas wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Aranakas wrote:Carebears have.... that guy that we heard other carebears talking about. Oh yeah, he seems like a good guy. I'll vote for him. For most people, internet spaceship presidents and congressmen isn't an important enough topic to research in any depth. It would have taken less than half an hour to read all the candidates threads to see what they stood for. If so-called carebears aren't even willing to take that small amount of effort then they don't deserve to have their voices heard. Fortunately for them Mittens has shown over and over again that he advocates for things that are good for the game as a whole even when they are detrimental to Goons. Pointless, even if EVERY carebear voted, there are too many candidates and carebears don't belong to just one alliance. It's a broken system, whether carebears "deserve" to have fun playing internet spaceships or not.
All I keep hearing is how there are so many more carebears than nullsec players. Surely it wouldn't have been too much effort to agree on one of the carebear candidates. The process of voting was literally visiting a website...not sure how much easier you are expecting CCP to make it.
I think what's more likely is that carebears don't really care about the health of the game as a whole so they are unwilling to take any responsibility for electing a CSM that shares their views
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
421
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:37:00 -
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just have 1 representative from every part of space nullsec pvp, null sec industry/pve WH pvp WH pve ect in lowsec ( add FW) maybe? ect in highsec
9 people, kinda like lord of the rings. |
Pheusia
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
52
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:44:00 -
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Ghoest wrote:Its been explained before that the mechanics of the election system make the CSM unrepresentative of the averge EVE player.
Its has also been explained that the structure of the CSM promotes biased input that not only favor particular types of gamers based on playstyle but even particular factions based on in game politics.
And now the CSM is just simply embarrassing.
Its really time to kill it.
There are 14 seats on the CSM. if no one who'se position you agreed with managed to get even a second seven seat then you might want to consider that maybe you are just in a very small minority. Apparently not even 2000 out of 360000 potential voters cared enough to elect someone you like.
The csm is highly representative of the wishes of those who voted. Why should we listen to the complaints of those who didn't trouble themselves to click a button on a web page? |
Pheusia
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
53
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:46:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:just have 1 representative from every part of space nullsec pvp, null sec industry/pve WH pvp WH pve ect in lowsec ( add FW) maybe? ect in highsec
9 people, kinda like lord of the rings.
So all of hi sec gets the same number of seats as all of Lo sec?
Apparently hi sec votes are only worth about a twentieth of Lo sec ones |
Kojach Baumherr
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:07:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote:See you guys say the 0.0 power blocs are a bunch of kids, but had you any real experience you'd be blown away by the level of organisation that goes into them, the web services support alone makes some companies look amateur.
i understand the time and effort that goes into maintaining an empire in null sec, sometimes i think about the infrastructure required to keep all the pos, jump bridges, jump drives, ect., fueled and im just like damn how do they do it
but that has nothing to do with them behaving like world class douchebags |
Aranakas
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:14:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Aranakas wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Aranakas wrote:Carebears have.... that guy that we heard other carebears talking about. Oh yeah, he seems like a good guy. I'll vote for him. For most people, internet spaceship presidents and congressmen isn't an important enough topic to research in any depth. It would have taken less than half an hour to read all the candidates threads to see what they stood for. If so-called carebears aren't even willing to take that small amount of effort then they don't deserve to have their voices heard. Fortunately for them Mittens has shown over and over again that he advocates for things that are good for the game as a whole even when they are detrimental to Goons. Pointless, even if EVERY carebear voted, there are too many candidates and carebears don't belong to just one alliance. It's a broken system, whether carebears "deserve" to have fun playing internet spaceships or not. All I keep hearing is how there are so many more carebears than nullsec players. Surely it wouldn't have been too much effort to agree on one of the carebear candidates. The process of voting was literally visiting a website...not sure how much easier you are expecting CCP to make it. I think what's more likely is that carebears don't really care about the health of the game as a whole so they are unwilling to take any responsibility for electing a CSM that shares their views
I like Age of Empires, that doesn't mean I'm going to go to their website every day and fill out their polls. If the next installment in the series is crap, I guess it's my fault by your logic.
If 85% of eve players do not vote, it's a crappy system, not a crappy playerbase.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2198
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:16:00 -
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Aranakas wrote:I like Age of Empires, that doesn't mean I'm going to go to their website every day and fill out their polls. If the next installment in the series is crap, I guess it's my fault by your logic.
If 85% of eve players do not vote, it's a crappy system, not a crappy playerbase.
If CSM voting was done on a daily basis you'd have a point. Even the carebears should be able to rouse themselves to click on a link once a year.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Ghoest
285
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:18:00 -
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Stop diverting attention from the main problem. The CSMs bias isnt the big problem. The CSM is an embarrassment now - thats issue. Wherever You Went - Here You Are |
Marius Duvall
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
15
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:34:00 -
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Ghoest wrote:Stop diverting attention from the main problem. The CSMs bias isnt the big problem. The CSM is an embarrassment now - thats issue.
Explain your argument. |
Ghoest
288
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:14:00 -
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Marius Duvall wrote:Ghoest wrote:Stop diverting attention from the main problem. The CSMs bias isnt the big problem. The CSM is an embarrassment now - thats issue. Explain your argument.
http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/bully-pulpit/
The embarrassment is that everyone outside EVE(even MMO geeks that dont play EVE) now thinks what the CSM says actually represents the players of EVE in general.
Its embarrassing for CCP. Its embarrassing for players. Wherever You Went - Here You Are |
Revii Lagoon
The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore
25
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:26:00 -
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I like how so many pubbies have misconceptions of how the CSM works. The vast majority of the issues the CSM talks about are issues that effect the player base as a whole rather than just goons with their own agenda. CSM is a communication tool for CCP to ask the players what the players might think of their ideas. Some are good, some are complete garbage. The CSM has no influence over any game design choices, but rather give feedback to CCP about the idea's that CCP puts forward.
Pubbies gonna pub regardless. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2309
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:27:00 -
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Ghoest wrote:Marius Duvall wrote:Ghoest wrote:Stop diverting attention from the main problem. The CSMs bias isnt the big problem. The CSM is an embarrassment now - thats issue. Explain your argument. http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/bully-pulpit/The embarrassment is that everyone outside EVE(even MMO geeks that dont play EVE) now thinks what the CSM says actually represents the players of EVE in general. Its embarrassing for CCP. Its embarrassing for players.
A handful of gaming-related websites who all copy/pasted the same blog post does not equal "everyone outside EVE".
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1189
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:35:00 -
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Ghoest wrote:Its really time to kill it.
Harrassing someone to kill themselves is (apparently, according to you pubbies) a violation of the EULA. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
409
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:40:00 -
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Aranakas wrote:Pointless, even if EVERY carebear voted, there are too many candidates and carebears don't belong to just one alliance. Funny story. Everyone in my 10 man alliance independently chose which candidate they wanted to vote for based on who we thought best represented out interests, turns out we all voted for the same person and that person got a seat on the CSM.
If you shut the up complaining and get informed about the candidates and then actually bother to vote, candidates that represent you will get elected to the CSM. |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
117
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:44:00 -
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http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/410871/heres-a-goodun#tab=featured |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
117
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:45:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Aranakas wrote:Pointless, even if EVERY carebear voted, there are too many candidates and carebears don't belong to just one alliance. Funny story. Everyone in my 10 man alliance independently chose which candidate they wanted to vote for based on who we thought best represented out interests, turns out we all voted for the same person and that person got a seat on the CSM. If you shut the up complaining and get informed about the candidates and then actually bother to vote, candidates that represent you will get elected to the CSM.
Tell me more about voting for Issler. |
Javier McPoopbeard
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:46:00 -
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OP's avatar looks like a rapist. |
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Joe D'Trader
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
82
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:47:00 -
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Ghoest wrote:Its been explained before that the mechanics of the election system make the CSM unrepresentative of the averge EVE player.
Its has also been explained that the structure of the CSM promotes biased input that not only favor particular types of gamers based on playstyle but even particular factions based on in game politics.
And now the CSM is just simply embarrassing.
Its really time to kill it.
No you are wrong. |
Felix Grumbleduke
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:49:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:Lexmana wrote:CSM is representative of those who vote. Incorrect. CSM is representative of the largest power blocs of corporations/alliances which != "of those who vote". The voters from the largest power blocs have obvious self-interests to vote in support of those power blocs, not necessarily for the best interest of the game or the players. Given the general maturity level within those power blocs, it's more like having a bunch of 2 year olds decide your future for you. Or worse, having the 2 year olds told what your future will be by their authority figures. Of course, this is the same mechanic in "democratic" societies except much more complexity is involved. Why you would support either as "representative" government is a clear indication that your judgement is severely compromised. In the real world, politicians can only be elected with lots of money involved. If someone who doesn't have access to billions of dollars to fund their campaign actually has a fantastic idea about governance that works then they're drowned out by puppets who haven't a clue about the most basic workings of governments who do have access to lots of money. But, even if those with access to the money did have 'the' idea that would work they're ideas become bastardized when they make their first promise in order to get the money. This of course leads back to the largest of power blocs in RL always having the keys to the kingdom. It would be interesting if CCP would implement such mechanics, that in order to get the message out for candidates, that they would have to spend buttloads of isk doing so. I would be more satisfied about the situation knowing that dumbasses would spend so much to do it since this is a game and not RL and I couldn't care less about "elections" and "representation". On the other hand, I do care about representation. But in order to have true representation, CCP would have to formalize the election mechanics in such a way that insure equal representation off all of the main sectors of Eve such as losec, nullsec, w-space & hisec. But, that will never happen, so let CCP turn elections into a massive isk sink to fuel their own profitability through the purchase of plex to fund campaigns.
Interesting. Say, which Power Bloc does Trebor answer to?
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
358
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:51:00 -
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General timeline of pubbie moron response:
"Yay, we have an EVEU candidate, there's no way that evil Mittani will get back in, Nullsec is a tiny fraction of the game."
"Oh, wow, he's claiming a lot of votes, that's bad, all the Goonies are voiting with like 9 alts they made for the vote."
"Ok, well, they can't actually do that, hm. Well, they surely won't get in, CCP knows highsec are the only players that matter."
"Oh, god, he got in, he got in. And with how many votes? ****. ****!"
"Ok, it's not the end of the world, it's not the end of the world... I know, lets try to destroy the CSM by just making a new CSM that everyone (read: highsec botters) can join."
"Well, that might not work, quick, quick... something... we gotta get rid of Mittani... gotta... I know, lets make up a fake scandal and try to get him removed."
"Oh god, the goons are mocking us and CCP isn't doing anything, I know, lets just push to abolish the CSM entirely, if we can't control it no one gets to!"
Waiting for the next few steps. Unfortunately very little comes after Denial, and these particularly thick morons never hit "acceptance"... |
Ghoest
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Xython wrote:General timeline of pubbie moron response: "Yay, we have an EVEU candidate, there's no way that evil Mittani will get back in, Nullsec is a tiny fraction of the game." "Oh, wow, he's claiming a lot of votes, that's bad, all the Goonies are voiting with like 9 alts they made for the vote." "Ok, well, they can't actually do that, hm. Well, they surely won't get in, CCP knows highsec are the only players that matter." "Oh, god, he got in, he got in. And with how many votes? ****. ****!" "Ok, it's not the end of the world, it's not the end of the world... I know, lets try to destroy the CSM by just making a new CSM that everyone (read: highsec botters) can join." "Well, that might not work, quick, quick... something... we gotta get rid of Mittani... gotta... I know, lets make up a fake scandal and try to get him removed." "Oh god, the goons are mocking us and CCP isn't doing anything, I know, lets just push to abolish the CSM entirely, if we can't control it no one gets to!" Waiting for the next few steps. Unfortunately very little comes after Denial, and these particularly thick morons never hit "acceptance"...
Dude this isnt about goons - from a meta game perspective, what Mittens did could even be called clever.
This is about the CSM as an institution. I have been pointing out the flaws of the CSM ever since the summit - and the flaws keep becoming more and more evident. Wherever You Went - Here You Are |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
1985
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Felix Grumbleduke wrote:Interesting. Say, which Power Bloc does Trebor answer to? The adults. The Sarcasm is Strong with Me GÇó Member of CSM 5-7 GÇó Blog |
Lolmer
Yahoo Inc Caffeine Nicotine and Hate
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Aranakas wrote:I like Age of Empires, that doesn't mean I'm going to go to their website every day and fill out their polls. If the next installment in the series is crap, I guess it's my fault by your logic.
If 85% of eve players do not vote, it's a crappy system, not a crappy playerbase.
If CSM voting was done on a daily basis you'd have a point. Even the carebears should be able to rouse themselves to click on a link once a year.
And that once-a-year link is presented to all and sundry at every login (until you close it, but of course you read an announcement before you closed it, right?) for two weeks (IIRC, no not IRC or that other chatty IRC, If I Recall Correctly IIRC). It's not like you had to go out of your way to find the information. Hell, you probably even got an in-game mail from Trebor to help out.
So really, you had to try to not get involved in voting for the CSM. It's harder to not hear about it and get involved than to just ignore it. |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:06:00 -
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Aranakas wrote:For most people, internet spaceship presidents and congressmen isn't an important enough topic to research in any depth.
That doesn't mean I want to have my game experience needlessly altered to fit someone else's agenda. If you're "most people" then yes it does.
I think I can safely speak for most if not all CSMs past and present that we're proud to represent players that give a **** about the game, regardless of where or for what that **** is given. www.noirmercs.com Now Recruiting #VoteAlek for CSM7-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=67574&find=unread |
Ghoest
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:37:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Aranakas wrote:For most people, internet spaceship presidents and congressmen isn't an important enough topic to research in any depth.
That doesn't mean I want to have my game experience needlessly altered to fit someone else's agenda. If you're "most people" then yes it does. I think I can safely speak for most if not all CSMs past and present that we're proud to represent players that give a **** about the game, regardless of where or for what that **** is given.
The problem really isnt that CSMs are bad people. Its the system. The system needs to go. Its a public reltions ploy that is more negative than positive.
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
1993
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CSM discussions belong in the CSM forum. Threads about current events already exist. Stop spamming new threads. Thank you. CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |-á@ccp_guard |
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