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That CableGuy
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Posted - 2008.08.29 19:24:00 -
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My mate gave me some ISK the other day and today when I logged into eve I noticed my wallet had been emptied and that I'd received an eve email from GM NOVA saying:-
According to our logs show you have received in game items in exchange for real currency this is a Eula violation and such items have been removed and further violations of this may result in a ban.
I donĘt understand this; nothing was exchanged for real currency! I donĘt get it, I quote "it says our logs show you received items in exchange for real currency" this is just not possible and never happened!, why is there a "give money" feature in the game if you cant use it?
What should I do, I feel quite threatened.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.08.29 19:26:00 -
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You should get yourself a cable and hang around somewhere else.
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Benco97
Gallente The Star League
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Posted - 2008.08.29 19:26:00 -
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It must have been a considerable amount of isk to be honest. Are you new? you have to admit that a new character being given a large sum of cash in return for nothing is somewhat suspicious.
Originally by: P'uck
You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
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Miki Fin
Gallente Independant Union of Rangers
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Posted - 2008.08.29 19:26:00 -
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You should just quit.
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.29 19:27:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 29/08/2008 19:30:25 What to do? I would suggest giving your "mate" a swift kick to the groin for being an RMTer…
If your "mate" happens to be you then the extra pain of dislodging your leg to get a good swing is just an added bonus.
Also, in before GM smackdown…
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.08.29 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: That CableGuy My mate gave me some ISK the other day and today when I logged into eve I noticed my wallet had been emptied and that I'd received an eve email from GM NOVA saying:-
According to our logs show you have received in game items in exchange for real currency this is a Eula violation and such items have been removed and further violations of this may result in a ban.
I donĘt understand this; nothing was exchanged for real currency! I donĘt get it, I quote "it says our logs show you received items in exchange for real currency" this is just not possible and never happened!, why is there a "give money" feature in the game if you cant use it?
What should I do, I feel quite threatened.
Small chance that CCP ****ed up. Most likely is that your friend there is a RMTer
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.08.29 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: That CableGuy My mate gave me some ISK the other day and today when I logged into eve I noticed my wallet had been emptied and that I'd received an eve email from GM NOVA saying:-
According to our logs show you have received in game items in exchange for real currency this is a Eula violation and such items have been removed and further violations of this may result in a ban.
I donĘt understand this; nothing was exchanged for real currency! I donĘt get it, I quote "it says our logs show you received items in exchange for real currency" this is just not possible and never happened!, why is there a "give money" feature in the game if you cant use it?
What should I do, I feel quite threatened.
Your 'friend' probably bought Isk using real-life money then gave you some of it. Unfortunately illegally obtained Isk has to be removed from the game regardless of who eventually gets it. It's the same in real life. If you receive stolen goods they will usually be taken off you and returned to their rightful owner regardless of whether you paid for them or not.
Bottom line:Find a better friend or a different game.
If you want more information your best bet is to contact the GMs. There is little to be gained from posting this incident to the forums. Probably you'll just get flamed and the thread locked. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years)
[Brackley, UK]
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Matalino
Gallente Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.29 19:30:00 -
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You should ask your mate about where he gets his ISK.
ISK donations by themselves do not set off the ISK selling alarm bells, even if they are to new players or seemingly unassociated accounts.
The GM's need to find something dirty first. Then they follow the ISK/item trail until they find where it ends. Then they nerf the accounts along the way.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2008.08.29 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Miki Fin You should just quit.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.29 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: That CableGuy My mate gave me some ISK the other day
Is by any chance your mate's name "xiutgcoyt" and you first met him one day earlier ?
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SHOPS || Mission rewards revamp || better nanofix
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Eomar
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.29 19:35:00 -
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if you believe it was in error, petition it.
if it WASNT in error, and you petition it, and the GMs have to go digging, then like as not theyll ban you, just for being a pillock if nothing else. ...in accordance with the prophecy |
Rubra
J. S. Bach In memoriam
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Posted - 2008.08.29 19:35:00 -
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How's this for a solution?
Biomass yourself.
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.29 19:38:00 -
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If your innocent, then I'm sorry it happened and you should ask to escalate a petition.
If your not, be carefull. The last two or three rmt'ers who came here complaining and lying got owned by a Dev. He stated clear cut reasons and went into at least some detail about the deal. Much to the lolz of everyone else, btw.
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That CableGuy
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Posted - 2008.08.29 19:42:00 -
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Yeah I've only been playing for a few months, my friends a CEO of a corp and has been playing from the beginning she has been trying to get me hooked for years, the amount in question was a large amount but after reading the EULA none of us have violated anything.
What is a RMTer? Someone selling isk on eBay or something like this? if so she is not a rmter and doesnt sell anything, I got better things to spend my hard earned cash on then virtual currency in a game.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.08.29 19:47:00 -
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Considering GM Nova is a senior GM you are either screwed or making this just up.
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That CableGuy
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Posted - 2008.08.29 19:47:00 -
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the only thing that I can think of is that when I recieved the isk I was bragging in the corp chat channel and winding some people up, but this was totally harmless and incent, I cant see how that could of resulted in this action.
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Eomar
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.29 19:48:00 -
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then you have nothing to hide.
petition.
wait.
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Xtreem
Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
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Posted - 2008.08.29 19:51:00 -
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if u did not buy it, your bragging in corp prob made some annoyed and they petitioned you lol petition it, ask ythem to trace the isk to prove it was legit money and u will get it back
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Gort
Storm Guard Elite
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Posted - 2008.08.29 19:54:00 -
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If you play with the bull.... -- When in doubt, empty the magazine. |
Lazuran
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.08.29 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: That CableGuy
According to our logs show you have received in game items in exchange for real currency this is a Eula violation and such items have been removed and further violations of this may result in a ban.
I'd love to see those logs ...
Amazing how their logs never show any bugs but can actually prove out of game transactions.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.08.29 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Gort If you play with the bull....
...you get a sore bum *nod*
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fairimear
Gallente S.A.S Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.08.29 19:59:00 -
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CCP Has EVE's server in London (last i heard). CCP also has a office in Atlanta.
Meaning if you so wish you can take CCP to court for such things. If indeed this is the case and you can prove you have not purchased anything you will most probably get a. nothing out of it besides 1. alteration to the eula 2. you will get a out of court settlement. 3.You will win the case. And if you can prove that CCP has indeed made a claim they can't in fact substantiate and unfairly punished you for it. Then you will probably win damages including court costs.
Now you have to take into account that such a case would be fairly land mark (altho there is president in the EU i am told) so it would be best to take it to a English court as if you fail you can eventually get to a EU court of appeal. You also would be facing the significant financial coffers of a major company with many lawyers. So i suggest you have deep pockets.
IF you win or get a settlement you will open the flood gates against CCP as they (As we all know) can't actually prove isk purchase linked to a character. UNLESS ofc they are running a fake isk selling website and banning who ever buys from them. You may also put a nail in the COFFIN of EULA's that are already heavily criticized.
I wish you luck in this endeavor and greatly await the outcome of such a case.
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That CableGuy
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Posted - 2008.08.29 20:00:00 -
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Ok then I'll petition and wait.
thanks for your help
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Eomar
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.29 20:01:00 -
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noone is gonna bite on that one fairimear. surely....... ...in accordance with the prophecy |
Paramite Pies
Minmatar Kasrkin Innovative Assembly
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Posted - 2008.08.29 20:02:00 -
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Petition. It's probably a misunderstanding. I give my own characters and some other players money all the time and have never gotten a warning like that. __________________ If you ask me, these people who think EVE is a PVP game need to stop playing EVE. and if you asked me again, I'd tell you that you need to stop complaining about being killed. |
Ogul
Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.29 20:06:00 -
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I would like to see the real money transfer show up in CCP's logs... --- Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions. People die, and nothing changes. |
SSgt Sniper
Gallente MAIDS
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Posted - 2008.08.29 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Matalino You should ask your mate about where he gets his ISK.
ISK donations by themselves do not set off the ISK selling alarm bells, even if they are to new players or seemingly unassociated accounts.
The GM's need to find something dirty first. Then they follow the ISK/item trail until they find where it ends. Then they nerf the accounts along the way.
Buddy of mine made a fresh alt and gave it all his isk. He intended to use it as a wallet alt until it had trained the skills (Hulk) that he wanted it to train. This had the effect of making him spend less as he had to log it in to do it.
I'm telling you this story to tell you another: The alt got banned for "Buying isk". He then had to go ten rounds with CCP over the fact that his name, credit card, and email were all the same on both accounts so he could prove that he didn't buy anything. After two weeks of what he referred to as ultimate BS, they unbanned the account. He gave his corp all his stuff and isk, and quit EVE. He also gave his main character away to the first person that was willing to pay the transfer fee.
GM's can, and do, fumble the ball. If the isk is legit, petition it, and be willing to go to stupid lengths to prove it is legit. Good luck to you. ------- CEO of Maids. No I didn't pick the name. I've grown rather fond of it though.
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Eomar
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.29 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ogul I would like to see the real money transfer show up in CCP's logs...
Given a little bit of effort you can find a lot of the RMT types yourself (and i dont mean by buying isk yourself.)
Also, its not a huge leap for a GM to check that his mate xzghyfl who gave him the money, recieved it from ghgfhjio, dhioha, higohioa, beagle crackle and xxghrrh and all use the same IP as used by www.muchbestcheapgoldevemyfriend.com
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Thuranni
B and D
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Posted - 2008.08.29 20:17:00 -
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Edited by: Thuranni on 29/08/2008 20:18:04
Originally by: fairimear CCP Has EVE's server in London (last i heard). CCP also has a office in Atlanta.
Meaning if you so wish you can take CCP to court for such things. If indeed this is the case and you can prove you have not purchased anything you will most probably get a. nothing out of it besides 1. alteration to the eula 2. you will get a out of court settlement. 3.You will win the case. And if you can prove that CCP has indeed made a claim they can't in fact substantiate and unfairly punished you for it. Then you will probably win damages including court costs.
Now you have to take into account that such a case would be fairly land mark (altho there is president in the EU i am told) so it would be best to take it to a English court as if you fail you can eventually get to a EU court of appeal. You also would be facing the significant financial coffers of a major company with many lawyers. So i suggest you have deep pockets.
IF you win or get a settlement you will open the flood gates against CCP as they (As we all know) can't actually prove isk purchase linked to a character. UNLESS ofc they are running a fake isk selling website and banning who ever buys from them. You may also put a nail in the COFFIN of EULA's that are already heavily criticized.
I wish you luck in this endeavor and greatly await the outcome of such a case.
What the **** is wrong with you?
Hai guyz lets sue people over internet spaceship pretend money.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.08.29 20:18:00 -
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If CCP were threatening you, they'd say "Wrangler and PrimX are coming over with a crate of bree"
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
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