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fuze
Chosen Path Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.08.26 18:38:00 -
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Was wondering if it had anything to do with stuff like this: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=853973 |
Vek NaVek
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Posted - 2008.08.26 18:42:00 -
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Ohh Atomic Battle Penguins wont be happy
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Syringe
Morphine Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.26 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk OMG CCP are looking at war dec non-exploits!!!!!
How about you look at corp hopping, and self alt wardeccing as well.
Id be happy to give you full descriptions of these non exploits.
Regards
Le Skunk
this.
You're on the right track CCP, just keep that ball rollin. --------- War isn't the answer. However, the objective isn't to provide answers rather than eliminate the question. |
James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.08.26 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Kelron Queldine
Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: Kelron Queldine So is the practice of leaving warring corporations for the purpose of avoiding war targets now an exploit too?
I think insta-leaving to get your opponent CONCORDed is an exploit, just to avoid getting ganked, probably not.
Can't leave or join a corp while in space.
You can't ask to leave/join, but your pending request can be accepted while you are in space and the CEO or directors can eject you while you are in space.
This actually happened to someone, just as he was passing a combat gang in highsec. He went from 'neutral' to 'wartarget' to 'cloning bay' in under a minute. We figured it wasn't his lucky day. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking? |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.08.26 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus
This actually happened to someone, just as he was passing a combat gang in highsec. He went from 'neutral' to 'wartarget' to 'cloning bay' in under a minute. We figured it wasn't his lucky day.
And this is exactly why it's now classed an exploit, I guess. Easily verifiable after a petition as both the killmail details as well as the corp join time can be matched up by a GM.
-------- Ideas for: Mining
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oilio
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.26 19:33:00 -
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It is a blatant exploit for sure.
Let's not forget the flip-side of this, though.
There are corps who create alt corps and jump all their players (except for a placeholder) into the alt corp as soon as they are wardeced. If the aggressors dec that corp, they join another alt-corp. Once they have four or five alt corps set up, it effectively means they can continually avoid wardecs while keeping the corp intact, and keeping their main corp alive with a placeholder alt.
This should also be considered and exploit, I think.
(of course, the technical solution would be dead-easy - simply make it so that someone can't join a new player corp for a couple of weeks after they have left/been kicked from the previous player corp) |
Kelron Queldine
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.26 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: James Lyrus
This actually happened to someone, just as he was passing a combat gang in highsec. He went from 'neutral' to 'wartarget' to 'cloning bay' in under a minute. We figured it wasn't his lucky day.
And this is exactly why it's now classed an exploit, I guess. Easily verifiable after a petition as both the killmail details as well as the corp join time can be matched up by a GM.
I have no problem with this being an exploit, but we really need some reference for what is and is not an exploit here. If I were to join a corp that's at war, then 5 minutes later attack a target, would I have to deal with them whining and petitioning me? I hate signatures with no distinct break from the body of the post. |
Malcanis
We are Legend eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.08.26 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Drethon
Originally by: Kelron Queldine So is the practice of leaving warring corporations for the purpose of avoiding war targets now an exploit too?
I suspect that is completely different as you can't really insta-leave, it takes 24 hours.
But the war-dec takes 24 hours to come into effect too.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Malcanis
We are Legend eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.08.26 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: oilio It is a blatant exploit for sure.
Let's not forget the flip-side of this, though.
There are corps who create alt corps and jump all their players (except for a placeholder) into the alt corp as soon as they are wardeced. If the aggressors dec that corp, they join another alt-corp. Once they have four or five alt corps set up, it effectively means they can continually avoid wardecs while keeping the corp intact, and keeping their main corp alive with a placeholder alt.
This should also be considered and exploit, I think.
(of course, the technical solution would be dead-easy - simply make it so that someone can't join a new player corp for a couple of weeks after they have left/been kicked from the previous player corp)
Simpler yet: if someone leaves a war-dec'd corp, they remain viable war-targets for 24 hours.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.08.26 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis Simpler yet: if someone leaves a war-dec'd corp, they remain viable war-targets for 24 hours.
24 hours would still lead to some random behaviour, until downtime would be better.
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Malcanis
We are Legend eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.08.26 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Fitz
Originally by: Malcanis Simpler yet: if someone leaves a war-dec'd corp, they remain viable war-targets for 24 hours.
24 hours would still lead to some random behaviour, until downtime would be better.
How so?
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.26 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Edna
Originally by: Wendat Huron How exactly are they going to police this?
badly
+1 internet for you
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Leilani Solaris
Gallente Atomic Battle Penguins The Darwin Award Foundation
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Posted - 2008.08.26 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Vek NaVek Ohh Atomic Battle Penguins wont be happy
Lol what? We haven't even done that
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eXtas
Atomic Battle Penguins
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Posted - 2008.08.26 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Leilani Solaris
Originally by: Vek NaVek Ohh Atomic Battle Penguins wont be happy
Lol what? We haven't even done that
??? lol --------
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Hieronimus Rex
Minmatar Infinitus Sapientia New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.08.26 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: sg3s The insta leaving reminds me of a fight I had a while ago.
This person jumped into the system right into our camp in high sec while at war, obviously he was going to lose his ship... But then he did something very typical, he logged off, we got him in to structure before he dissapeared.
Then less than 5 minutes later he logs back in being in a noob corp... apearantly he had himself be kicked out of the corp while offline and was not a war target anymore... tactics like those are increadibly lame.
He also re-joined the corp a couple of days later.
While that is lame, how is it a surprise? If you have your overview setup properly he won't appear as a war target.
Similarly, how on earth can you "surprise" someone in a station? How is this any different than logonski? It certainly isn't any faster...
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Noel Byron
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Posted - 2008.09.01 07:41:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
I'm sure you can't (instantly) kick players who are in space, either. It can probably be done after a vote, otherwise people could avoid being kicked by not docking.
You can't kick people in space afaik (even if they're offline), but iirc you can accept them to the corp.
Of course you can. Elsehow my corp, which accepts new players, including noobs, would fill up with inactive players logged in space.
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Pyatera
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Posted - 2008.09.01 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi Hi, just a little update on the exploit:
The practice of insta-joining/leaving warring corporations for the purpose of surprising war targets, or getting them in trouble with CONCORD, is considered an exploit from here on. Reports of this will be investigated on a case by case basis and warnings will be issued at the discretion of the GM. Repeated incidents may result in bans on accounts involved.
Basically, using the current corp mechanics to sneak up on unsuspecting targets or to get targets in trouble with CONCORD is not allowed.
Since you can't leave a corp while in space, anyone who docks and leaves a corp does so validly. If someone starts shooting at you when you undock and gets concorded, it's their mistake because you were not flashing red to them. They have the time it takes to lock you to realise and not fire at you. I fail to see how this can be an exploit.
I can understand it being an exploit to leave a corp because they are station camped and re-joining the corp once they have got out of the station.
Put a timer on joining/leaving then... Problem solved.
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Hroya
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Posted - 2008.09.01 10:20:00 -
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Edited by: Hroya on 01/09/2008 10:21:24 Have a cooldown period after joining a war declared corp. 24 hours of no pvp actions marked as such with an extra icon in the overview. No support or hostile pvp actions can be taken then during that cooldown period and you are considered an invalid target for the duration aswell. After your cooldown period you are a garanteed member of that corp for atleast 48 hours before being able to leave again or getting kicked.
Leaving a war declared corp wil put you in a state of no corperation for the duration of 24 hours before your new application to an alt corp or any other corp can be approved. During that state of no corperation you are still a sanctioned target ( counting the memberslist from the time the war was declared, not the time the war actually starts after 24 hours )for the "old" enemies.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.09.01 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: Pyatera
Originally by: GM Grimmi Hi, just a little update on the exploit:
The practice of insta-joining/leaving warring corporations for the purpose of surprising war targets, or getting them in trouble with CONCORD, is considered an exploit from here on. Reports of this will be investigated on a case by case basis and warnings will be issued at the discretion of the GM. Repeated incidents may result in bans on accounts involved.
Basically, using the current corp mechanics to sneak up on unsuspecting targets or to get targets in trouble with CONCORD is not allowed.
Since you can't leave a corp while in space, anyone who docks and leaves a corp does so validly. If someone starts shooting at you when you undock and gets concorded, it's their mistake because you were not flashing red to them. They have the time it takes to lock you to realise and not fire at you. I fail to see how this can be an exploit.
I can understand it being an exploit to leave a corp because they are station camped and re-joining the corp once they have got out of the station.
Put a timer on joining/leaving then... Problem solved.
The reply to your post is just above it:
Originally by: Noel Byron
Originally by: Blane Xero
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I'm sure you can't (instantly) kick players who are in space, either. It can probably be done after a vote, otherwise people could avoid being kicked by not docking.
You can't kick people in space afaik (even if they're offline), but iirc you can accept them to the corp.
Of course you can. Elsehow my corp, which accepts new players, including noobs, would fill up with inactive players logged in space.
so please, read the thread before posting. |
Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.09.01 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: oilio It is a blatant exploit for sure.
Let's not forget the flip-side of this, though.
There are corps who create alt corps and jump all their players (except for a placeholder) into the alt corp as soon as they are wardeced. If the aggressors dec that corp, they join another alt-corp. Once they have four or five alt corps set up, it effectively means they can continually avoid wardecs while keeping the corp intact, and keeping their main corp alive with a placeholder alt.
This should also be considered and exploit, I think.
(of course, the technical solution would be dead-easy - simply make it so that someone can't join a new player corp for a couple of weeks after they have left/been kicked from the previous player corp)
Ollio, just to be clear:
- leaving a war decced corporation and reforming it under another name, is a recognized exploit and has been so for some year;
- leaving a war decced corporation and joining different corporations, so not reforming the same group is not a exploit and an intended game mechanism.
Any mechanism that will block players from joining a player corporation is a bad idea.
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Vek NaVek
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Posted - 2008.09.01 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Leilani Solaris
Originally by: Vek NaVek Ohh Atomic Battle Penguins wont be happy
Lol what? We haven't even done that
Lets just say, that The Darwin Award Foundation war dec'ed IAC, and there was just the holding corp in that alliance at the time, we did a bit of searching and found that ABP was part of that alliance in the past, so a mail was issued that ABP will return to The Darwin Award Foundation once war dec was active.. and lo-and-behold it was true.
Lol what? Indeed
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