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Vikarion
Caldari Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:21:00 -
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Edited by: Vikarion on 07/08/2008 22:22:28 First, I have to state that, up until the last couple of days, I was a fanboi of CCP. This has changed.
I started playing Eve in the fall of 2007. Not that long ago. Before then, I had tried several MMOs, including WoW, DDO, GW, and so forth. None of them held my interest - there was no excitement, no thrill.
And then I found Eve. I started out as a miner, busily carting ore to and from the station. I feared ore thieves and anyone in a frigate, and hurriedly scurried to the protection of the docking port whenever someone warped into my belt. I viewed ore thievery as the ultimate evil, and pirates as dark predators waiting in the wings to devour me.
And you know what? I loved it!
The sense of danger even in hi-sec addicted me to this game. You were never safe, never protected, and you had to be smarter, better, more competent.
Since then, I have survived war-decs, run approximately 5728 missions, ventured into low-sec and 0.0, and finally, left my carebear ways and became an Empire war-dec griefer. And I loved CCP for the dangerous and open game they gave us.
But now I see all of the things I loved as a carebear being taken away, all of the danger, all of the thrill, all of the interesting things...all because people are too downright stupid to protect themselves and their possessions in-game.They act like they are entitled to what they want.
I can always go to low-sec and 0.0 for PvP. That's not the issue. The problem is that CCP is behaving ham-fistedly with minor problems - a speed nerf was necessary, and a suicide ganking nerf was ok - but CCP have done their level best to destroy entire styles of play. And now with the news that they intend to nerf war-decs even further - well, it makes me a little sick inside.
It's their game, and they can do with it as they wish. But when I signed up, I signed up with their promise that it would be dangerous everywhere, that it would be interesting everywhere, that I would have to think everywhere.
I don't want World of Warcraft in space. I don't want to mine in safety. I don't want Empire space to be safe, or my level 4 salvage to be protected, or my corporation to be safe from war-decs. I want Eve to be as they promised it would be - dangerous everywhere.
But, I suppose all good things must end.
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:26:00 -
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Oh boy, another one...
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Vikarion
Caldari Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:29:00 -
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Edited by: Vikarion on 07/08/2008 22:30:53 Not really. I honestly believe that both nerfs were technically needed (speed and suicide), but not to the extent that is intended now. And war-decs don't even need a nerf - they are so easy to get out of now, it's pathetic.
My problem is that CCP are taking all of the things I loved about Eve - as a carebear, and now as a pirate - out of it. I actually LIKED being in danger much of the time.
More importantly, CCP explicitly stated that the game policy was to create a dangerous atmosphere. But CCP is slowly removing non-consensual PvP, or making it much more difficult than it should be.
They can say that it's still possible all they want. The fact is that hi-sec is rapidly becoming more profitable AND more safe than any other area.
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Siberys
Gallente Nebula Sharks
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:30:00 -
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I was a fanboi of A:TLA, but then they screwed up the finale. That changed. What's your point?
Believe me, I don't want WoW in space (You know how much the nano nerf screwed up my plans after I bought my Curse? No, you don't.) but it's easier to keep people playing if you appease them as much as possible.
I also agree that the CCP nerfbat is being used almost as much as the Bungie banhammer and the 40k Baneblade (Ha-ha) but it's called ADAPTATION. Your way of life is destroyed, you change or die. It's brutally like nature. So learn to change. Great, highsec is the easiest place to live. Great, you can't blow the crap out of someone easily. You'll live. You just need to accept change. PvE is VERY SERIOUS BUSINESS... |
Cpt Branko
Surge. NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:33:00 -
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Yeah. Sooner rather then later wardecs are going to end up with five pilots on both sides being teleported to a instance where they can do PvP, and then victors get victory points which they can in turn trade in for epic loots.... er, what?
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion The fact is that hi-sec is rapidly becoming more profitable AND more safe than any other area.
Then spend all of your time in null-sec...easy.
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Yelan Zhou
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: J Kunjeh
Originally by: Vikarion The fact is that hi-sec is rapidly becoming more profitable AND more safe than any other area.
Then spend all of your time in null-sec...easy.
You are such a tool.
War, War never changes.
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Cpt Branko
Surge. NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:34:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 07/08/2008 22:36:54
Originally by: Siberys
Great, highsec is the easiest place to live. Great, you can't blow the crap out of someone easily. You'll live. You just need to accept change.
Yeah, but having no more MMOs to play sucks. I joined up because of the atmosphere and the thrill of a universe where you can lose a lot, but on the other hand you can profit a lot from someone else's stupidity. That particular game is getting progressively killed.
I liked the danger which was preety much present everywhere.
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Granmethedon III
We are Legend eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:34:00 -
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You can say "adapt or die" as much as you want, as far as I'm concerned, this game is rapidly becoming broken, and turning into everything I hate about MMOs. "Adapt" from my point of view is rapidly becoming "look for a new game".
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Vikarion
Caldari Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:35:00 -
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you know, I've never really been a fan of the "adapt-or-die" argument. It's simply applied too widely:
1. I can't breathe underwater! -> adapt or die! 2. BoB is getting t2 BPOs from T20! -> adapt or die! 3. I get disconnected every 37 seconds! -> adapt or die!
Seriously, how can I die when I'm not even going to get to attack anyone in hi-sec? Hell, pretty soon they won't even let me self-destruct my ship.
Yes, things change. I'm just grieving the slow death of a game and community I love. --------
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Baron Primus
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:37:00 -
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As if these clowns actually read any of these topics My sig sucks. |
Dante024781
Mercenary Evolution
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Granmethedon III You can say "adapt or die" as much as you want, as far as I'm concerned, this game is rapidly becoming broken, and turning into everything I hate about MMOs. "Adapt" from my point of view is rapidly becoming "look for a new game".
I don't want your stuff.
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Vikarion
Caldari Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:40:00 -
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Yeah, I know. The devs seem to only respond to roll-call and carebear threads now. I feel abandoned. You'd think that they would at least tell us where they were going with all this, but it's like being on a runaway train to soft-pillow-land.
I understand now why some post insults about the devs, but it won't help. They have to be listening first.
At least we still have Chribba. --------
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Vikarion
Caldari Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:49:00 -
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Edited by: Vikarion on 07/08/2008 22:49:16 To echo some other posters, I'd like to ask why CCP won't post their "New and Improved" vision of Eve on a devblog sometime SOON. And not the (tm) kind of soon, either.
I'd like to know whether to continue with what I'm doing, move to low-sec/0.0, or just get the hell out of the game altogether.
And, BTW, sorry for making another whine post. I just feel kind of betrayed. --------
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Dante024781
Mercenary Evolution
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion Edited by: Vikarion on 07/08/2008 22:49:16 To echo some other posters, I'd like to ask why CCP won't post their "New and Improved" vision of Eve on a devblog sometime SOON. And not the (tm) kind of soon, either.
I'd like to know whether to continue with what I'm doing, move to low-sec/0.0, or just get the hell out of the game altogether.
And, BTW, sorry for making another whine post. I just feel kind of betrayed.
I don't want your stuff either.
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Vikarion
Caldari Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:52:00 -
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Don't worry, you aren't getting it. If I ever leave I'm going to either give it to corp-mates or melt it down.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:52:00 -
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Put all your stuff in an industrial and set a course through all of high-sec post patch and see, I do mean all of it, convert it all to high valuables, I want to see exactly how safe you are.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Granmethedon III
We are Legend eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Dante024781
Originally by: Granmethedon III You can say "adapt or die" as much as you want, as far as I'm concerned, this game is rapidly becoming broken, and turning into everything I hate about MMOs. "Adapt" from my point of view is rapidly becoming "look for a new game".
I don't want your stuff.
Will be on contract soon as I find the new cool game. ;)
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Quincunx
Minmatar Subspace Anomaly
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:57:00 -
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nowai, a whine! 0/
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Yelan Zhou
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus Put all your stuff in an industrial and set a course through all of high-sec post patch and see, I do mean all of it, convert it all to high valuables, I want to see exactly how safe you are.
Dont forget to name it BPO express.
War, War never changes.
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Vikarion
Caldari Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.07 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus Put all your stuff in an industrial and set a course through all of high-sec post patch and see, I do mean all of it, convert it all to high valuables, I want to see exactly how safe you are.
The problem, again, isn't that "this" patch, or "that" patch will make us unsafe. It's every patch seems to move us closer to the day when we aren't allowed to do anything except sit on our hands and be good little boys and girls.
And, BTW, I have put tons of valuable stuff in an indy. It's already nearly impossible to gank a smart hauler. --------
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.08.07 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: J Kunjeh Oh boy, another one...
Post with your main.
Agreeing with the OP here.
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Vikarion
Caldari Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.07 23:34:00 -
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How long until I get to call myself a "bitter old vet"?
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Takima Templar
7th Batavian Squadron
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Posted - 2008.08.07 23:38:00 -
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Edited by: Takima Templar on 07/08/2008 23:40:33
Originally by: Vikarion
I don't want World of Warcraft in space. I don't want to mine in safety. I don't want Empire space to be safe, or my level 4 salvage to be protected, or my corporation to be safe from war-decs. I want Eve to be as they promised it would be - dangerous everywhere.
If you want EVE to be as dangerous as you think you want it, then on your arrivel in this game you would be pod-killed 25 times in a row in the newby zone, because hey!, there are people playing this game who can't get enough of that. See how you would fancy that.
There is nothing wrong with a higher sec zone, it's even logic story wise. And you can still get killed everywhere at anytime. The only thing that CCP is doing is finetuning, but due to lack of several reasons, some players go into insta-whine mode, and that's putting it friendly.
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Vikarion
Caldari Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.07 23:43:00 -
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No insurance + higher sec status penalties + no real warfare + faster Concord response times is NOT "fine tuning" - it's changing the nature of hi-sec space to be much, much harder to inflict violence in.
Can you still kill someone? Yes. If you get your buddies together and only do it once a month and forget about trying to ransom or wardec.
Wow. How fun. --------
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Joss Sparq
Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.08 00:05:00 -
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While reading the first post I started to hear a high pitched noise. At first I was afraid I was developing a sudden case of synaesthesia.
What I was actually hearing was the whine ...
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Vikarion
Caldari Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.08 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Joss Sparq While reading the first post I started to hear a high pitched noise. At first I was afraid I was developing a sudden case of synaesthesia.
What I was actually hearing was the whine ...
Sure, if you call a reasoned and non-inflammatory protest of the castration of your favorite game a whine, then sure. It's a whine.
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Xevan Templar
7th Batavian Squadron
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Posted - 2008.08.08 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion No insurance + higher sec status penalties + no real warfare + faster Concord response times is NOT "fine tuning" - it's changing the nature of hi-sec space to be much, much harder to inflict violence in.
Can you still kill someone? Yes. If you get your buddies together and only do it once a month and forget about trying to ransom or wardec.
Wow. How fun.
First. It's only logical pirating in high sec is much more difficult then in low sec.
Second, using the insurance system was not intended by CCP from the beginning concerning suicide ganking. The only thing you can blame them for is that they should have changed it earlier
Third, get creative. If anything EVE has shown that people who have brains (I know that's a though one for some) can come up with alot of 'gamebreaking' stuff.
Forth. You want more PvP in highsec? I would like to see that people who loot or salvage other players stuff get flashy red, for everybody, not just the person they steal from. Now that will be fun will it.
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Vikarion
Caldari Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.08 00:17:00 -
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As I've said before, it's not that they are doing any one thing. It's that they keep doing a lot of little things. The critics of my post don't seem to get this.
But it's not just losing insurance when Concorded. It's losing insurance, and faster response times, and higher sec status penalties, and nerfing war-decs to oblivion.
And this isn't the first time. They got rid of Lofty, and quite a few other things. And every time they do, we get people on the forums telling us to "get over it", that CCP is simply "fine tuning" their game.
They aren't fine-tuning it. They are changing it, bit by bit, into something just like every other MMO out there - safe, stale, and bland. --------
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Xevan Templar
7th Batavian Squadron
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Posted - 2008.08.08 00:23:00 -
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Edited by: Xevan Templar on 08/08/2008 00:23:17 Dude, did you actualy read it yourself.
Quote: often wars started without reason, simply to get random victims to gank and grief
It's not as how CCP intended wardecs, and since they are the one adding it to the system, they can finetune it to what is was ment for. Clearly, get a grip
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