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Admiral Farragut
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Posted - 2008.07.26 07:23:00 -
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Many of you guys are telling other players who are upset about the nano nerf to "adapt or die". I find this ironic because the only reason this change is getting brought about is that many of you could not adapt to kill the fast ships in the first place. Stop being hypocritcal.
Also, I am disturbed at what this game is going to become with this new nerf. I think that the viable ship options for pvpers is going to diminish greatly, and that the new FotM is going to be remote repping bs's with many falcons for support. This kind of warfare is not exciting to me... but hey, i am not the one "balancing" the game.
Also, before you say that I am whining because my ship is going to get nerfed, realize this. I can fly nanos, but I hardly ever do. I instead enjoy fighting against nano gangs though, and the thought of fighting against huge blobs instead of nano gangs makes me a sad panda.
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Demiurge Ialdaboth
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.07.26 07:27:00 -
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I disagree, with the nerf viable ship options for PvP'ers greatly increase because your fit does not revolve around an MWD.
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.07.26 07:29:00 -
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yeah i find it funny that alot of the whiners now once did say adapt or die. Good thing you dont need two webs to nail a mwder, if you get in range 1 web and 1 scrammer = 93-95% speed reduction from thier mwd speed, which is better than current webbers.
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Slade Hoo
Amarr xPlaguex
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Posted - 2008.07.26 07:29:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Hoo on 26/07/2008 07:30:45
Originally by: Demiurge Ialdaboth I disagree, with the nerf viable ship options for PvP'ers greatly increase because your fit does not revolve around an MWD.
this.
A game based around customizing your ship with various types of modules isn't good when single modules become mandatory and aren't meant to be like that
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Galan Amarias
Amarr The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2008.07.26 07:32:00 -
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MMmhhmm,
Nano is getting what Nos got and for exactly the same reason.
An MWD became a required module for most ships in PVP, just like a Nos. Now it's getting a nerf. It's been a long time coming now that it's here it's not the end of all nano life. It's just the end of the patently absurd stuff.
Look at what they are doing, a MWD can be deactivated, but only at close range. Most nano ships already avoid close range.
An interceptor can now tackle nearly any nano ship but it will need someone to kill said tackled nano. Hey 2v1 should usually win that's the whole point of bringing a friend. Will that mean blobs? No more than it already does. People blob because numbers trump nearly everything. That's true in every pvp game.
People will still solo and look for small gang fights. Why? Because those fights are fun and people like fun.
As for the adapt or die crap. Everyone who complains about anything will get told adapt or die, cold harsh universe and can I have your stuff? Now that it's your turn to adapt being told to adapt is hypocritical?
Can I have your stuff?
-Galan
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.07.26 07:36:00 -
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hey i keep adapting im quite flexible because of it now.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.07.26 07:40:00 -
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And who's to say that combat won't be richer since more ships are needed with differente roles and more strategy and tactics are needed.
No one knows because we can't test it yet so saying that the game is ruined or will be better is all useless speculation --
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Galan Amarias
Amarr The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2008.07.26 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit And who's to say that combat won't be richer since more ships are needed with differente roles and more strategy and tactics are needed.
No one knows because we can't test it yet so saying that the game is ruined or will be better is all useless speculation
Ahh but when he says "The game is ruined" what he actually means is "my game is ruined" because he's been training for the FOTM and no one told him that the devs watch to see what everyone is training and what everyone is fitting and that when everyone does the same thing, carriers, nos, mwd...whatever, that thing gets a nasty nerfing. It's why the Caldari tend to suck, too many people play em.
-Galan
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Admiral Farragut
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Posted - 2008.07.26 07:55:00 -
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Originally by: Galan Amarias
Originally by: Vaal Erit And who's to say that combat won't be richer since more ships are needed with differente roles and more strategy and tactics are needed.
No one knows because we can't test it yet so saying that the game is ruined or will be better is all useless speculation
Ahh but when he says "The game is ruined" what he actually means is "my game is ruined" because he's been training for the FOTM and no one told him that the devs watch to see what everyone is training and what everyone is fitting and that when everyone does the same thing, carriers, nos, mwd...whatever, that thing gets a nasty nerfing. It's why the Caldari tend to suck, too many people play em.
-Galan
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.07.26 07:55:00 -
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"The sky is falling, the sky is falling!"
Seriously, get over your self, and realize that all game design decisions are taken by CCP alone and they ultimately decides how the playing field is laid out and what aspects to promote and not. The rest of us have two options: Stay on the ride or get off.
I must be getting old because I have lost track on how many times CCP has re-evaluated game play aspects with significant changes, giving hundreds of forum bickering posts quite like the OP here.
And yet, subscriptions continue to increase. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute |
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.26 07:59:00 -
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Actually MWDs will most likely still be mandatory at least in 0.0 roaming, if only to burn out of bubbles or reapproach gates fast. But their usefulness for actual combat might be reduced, which is a good. And if you are reading this, you have arrived at the signature without noticing...
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Admiral Farragut
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Posted - 2008.07.26 07:59:00 -
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Originally by: Jowen Datloran all game design decisions are taken by CCP alone and they ultimately decides how the playing field is laid out and what aspects to promote and not. The rest of us have two options: Stay on the ride or get off.
Right, which is why in the dev blog they told us they need our help to evaluate decisions... |
Galan Amarias
Amarr The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2008.07.26 07:59:00 -
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Edited by: Galan Amarias on 26/07/2008 08:03:58
Originally by: Admiral Farragut
Did you not read the part where I said I don't fly nanos?
Yes but I don't believe you.
---- Edit,
Interestingly the only entries for you on Battleclinic are a couple pods so aparently you don't fly your main on the forrums.
Put up or shut up?
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Admiral Farragut
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Posted - 2008.07.26 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: Galan Amarias
Originally by: Admiral Farragut
Did you not read the part where I said I don't fly nanos?
Yes but I don't believe you.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.07.26 08:05:00 -
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Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 26/07/2008 08:05:41
Originally by: Admiral Farragut
Originally by: Jowen Datloran all game design decisions are taken by CCP alone and they ultimately decides how the playing field is laid out and what aspects to promote and not. The rest of us have two options: Stay on the ride or get off.
Right, which is why in the dev blog they told us they need our help to evaluate decisions...
Yes, in the same way that rats in labs are used to evaluate different kinds of medical treatments.
EDIT: Except the rats do not have the option of getting off the ride though.
---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute |
Nikita Alterana
Gallente Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.07.26 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Farragut Many of you guys are telling other players who are upset about the nano nerf to "adapt or die". I find this ironic because the only reason this change is getting brought about is that many of you could not adapt to kill the fast ships in the first place. Stop being hypocritcal.
Pretty much this. the next time I hear an 'adapt or die' out of a caldari militia member, I swear I will find them and destroy them utterly...And their families. __________________________________________________ |
Buff Plankchest
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Posted - 2008.07.26 08:07:00 -
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I've always said adapt or die, I can't wait to see how this changes things
I am a nano *****
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Dzajic
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.26 08:09:00 -
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Kill the nanoes (but leave Minnie ships able to be as fast as a class smaller ships of othe races), save the blasterboats.
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Demiurge Ialdaboth
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.07.26 08:18:00 -
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I've always felt that be all and end all ship fits were detrimental to the game, when everyone fits an MWD because speed = the best defence you only encourage one particular playstyle wherein the ones with the best speed mods and skills win every battle.
I hope this change encourages new strategies where varied ship fittings complement each other and add to the overall group. I think an additional change to the gang mechanic to limit the usefulness of a large group by adding deminishing returns per gang member would encourage smaller but more versatile gangs where every ship is vital to the gang's survival and not just another speed boat orbiting a tackled target.
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Galan Amarias
Amarr The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2008.07.26 08:19:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Farragut
Originally by: Galan Amarias
Originally by: Admiral Farragut
Did you not read the part where I said I don't fly nanos?
Yes but I don't believe you.
Lol. too bad.
There is nothing bad about it, but you missed my edit.
Sufice to say, I don't believe you and there is no reason I should when you are alt posting, bring your main, link some kills and we'll see what you fly. Otherwise it's pretty obvious you are a nanobunny and can I have your stuff?
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slothe
Caldari Murky Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 08:28:00 -
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ive played this game for 5 years
ive seen various fotm.
nanos are current fotm
i have flown nanos amongst other ships.
can i just say one thing
"adapt or die"
biggest whiners i have seen on balance are the nano pilots moaning about the changes, which tbh are getting tedious.
and if a nano pilot cannot understand why changes are necessary, he has no idea of game balance tbh.
the changes may see a tad harsh (because instead of just refining nanos, mwd, scramblers, afterburners are also looked at) but all will be good in the end.
the changes affect everyone.
if you put all your eggs in one basket / cross train for fotm, then you risk this happening in eve. in the past other ships have been hit badly, eg the gankaggeddon (everyone seemes to fly at one point) nosdominix (everyone flew) and other ships.
get over it / get overyourself.
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Danjira Ryuujin
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.26 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: Dzajic save the blasterboats.
I would like to share some advice that has been passed down through the brotherhood of caldari pilots: "Bring a tackler".
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Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.26 08:36:00 -
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EVE: Online
A new game every six months
Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2008.07.26 08:36:00 -
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I think it is safe to assume that the Matari speed boats will still be the zoom-zoom compared to the rest. Hell, most of them can outpace an Amarr MWD ship using an afterburners. Same applies to blaster ships and any ship that has is primary function/feature modified (I am looking at you Min/Gal recons).
CCP may make some unpopular decisions but does anyone really want to return to pre-nos tweak game play or how about the pre-stacking gameplay?
Besides, they are "proposed changes", as in not final. Everyone with concerns should do their duty and hop onto SiSi to help with testing. CCP got the same response when they wanted to change the Thorax hulls, but testing proved that it was *******s and changes were scrapped, so they are not complete imbeciles.
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Shiho Weitong
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.26 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Danjira Ryuujin
Originally by: Dzajic save the blasterboats.
I would like to share some advice that has been passed down through the brotherhood of caldari pilots: "Bring a tackler".
No actually it's more like: "Bring drones, the living kind, and call them fodder." ^^ ----------------------- Why is it called common sense, when it's clearly very rare.
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.26 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Farragut Many of you guys are telling other players who are upset about the nano nerf to "adapt or die". I find this ironic because the only reason this change is getting brought about is that many of you could not adapt to kill the fast ships in the first place. Stop being hypocritcal.
Also, I am disturbed at what this game is going to become with this new nerf. I think that the viable ship options for pvpers is going to diminish greatly, and that the new FotM is going to be remote repping bs's with many falcons for support. This kind of warfare is not exciting to me... but hey, i am not the one "balancing" the game.
Also, before you say that I am whining because my ship is going to get nerfed, realize this. I can fly nanos, but I hardly ever do. I instead enjoy fighting against nano gangs though, and the thought of fighting against huge blobs instead of nano gangs makes me a sad panda.
You're not from Knoxville by any chance are you?
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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JVol
Amarr The IMorral MAjority Imorral Dragons
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Posted - 2008.07.26 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: slothe ive played this game for 5 years
ive seen various fotm.
nanos are current fotm
i have flown nanos amongst other ships.
can i just say one thing
"adapt or die"
biggest whiners i have seen on balance are the nano pilots moaning about the changes, which tbh are getting tedious.
and if a nano pilot cannot understand why changes are necessary, he has no idea of game balance tbh.
the changes may see a tad harsh (because instead of just refining nanos, mwd, scramblers, afterburners are also looked at) but all will be good in the end.
the changes affect everyone.
if you put all your eggs in one basket / cross train for fotm, then you risk this happening in eve. in the past other ships have been hit badly, eg the gankaggeddon (everyone seemes to fly at one point) nosdominix (everyone flew) and other ships.
get over it / get overyourself.
/ signed.... Bravo brother, bravo!!
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JVol
Amarr The IMorral MAjority Imorral Dragons
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Posted - 2008.07.26 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar Actually MWDs will most likely still be mandatory at least in 0.0 roaming, if only to burn out of bubbles or reapproach gates fast. But their usefulness for actual combat might be reduced, which is a good.
Will mwd's even work in bubbles now? From the way these changes are comming down they shouldnt.. AmI wrong? arent they warp dissruption bubbles?
""A Medium deployable self powered unit that prevents warping within its area of effect ""
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Slade Hoo
Amarr xPlaguex
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Posted - 2008.07.26 09:07:00 -
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they will.
see devblog...bubble range might be decreased cause of slower BS MWD speeds...so MWD should still work there
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mishkof
Caldari Finis Lumen Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.26 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: slothe ive played this game for 5 years
ive seen various fotm.
nanos are current fotm
i have flown nanos amongst other ships.
can i just say one thing
"adapt or die"
biggest whiners i have seen on balance are the nano pilots moaning about the changes, which tbh are getting tedious.
and if a nano pilot cannot understand why changes are necessary, he has no idea of game balance tbh.
the changes may see a tad harsh (because instead of just refining nanos, mwd, scramblers, afterburners are also looked at) but all will be good in the end.
the changes affect everyone.
if you put all your eggs in one basket / cross train for fotm, then you risk this happening in eve. in the past other ships have been hit badly, eg the gankaggeddon (everyone seemes to fly at one point) nosdominix (everyone flew) and other ships.
get over it / get overyourself.
/signed
Looks like some alliances and corps are gonna have to give scanner and scouting classes. I will enjoy the best pilots being assets as scouts again, not just the guy who does 10k +.
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